Transphobic TERF wars of words

It really isn’t clear to me what this is all about, but a tweet from Labour MP Kiri Allan (recently suggested as a candidate for promotion to Minister) has some people reacting.



TERF is an acronym for Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. Sometimes, “exclusionary” is expanded as “eliminationist” or “exterminationist” instead to more accurately convey the degree to which TERFs advocate for harm towards trans people, specifically trans people who were coercively assigned male at birth.

Some TERFs call themselves “gender-critical feminists”, a term which is synonymous with “TERF”.

Unsurprisingly, many TERFs complain that “TERF” should be regarded as a slur.


Transphobia is a range of negative attitudes, feelings or actions toward transgender or transsexual people, or toward transsexuality. Transphobia can be emotional disgust, fear, violence, anger, or discomfort felt or expressed towards people who do not conform to society’s gender expectation.[1][2] It is often expressed alongside homophobic views and hence is often considered an aspect of homophobia.[3][4] Transphobia is a type of prejudice and discrimination similar to racism and sexism,[5] and transgender people of color are often subjected to all three forms of discrimination at once.

Other than that I’m really not getting what the aim of all this is.

I’m generally for leaving people to be how they want to be. Labelling seems to be causing some strife.

I still don’t really get it.

Ah, this might have something to do with it.

Stuff:  Battle lines drawn between feminists and trans activists over sex self identification

Hostilities between feminists and transgender activists are coming to a head as the sex self identification debate heats up.

The two parties are arguing over a biological woman’s right to be labelled a woman.

Trans Dignity Collective is lobbying on proposed changes to patient identification data – arguing the “concept of ‘biological sex’ is inherently derogatory towards trans people.”

The collective “categorically opposes” the inclusion of a ‘biological sex recorded at birth’ field, which would “constitute a willful refusal to treat trans people with dignity and respect.”

Dunedin feminist Charlie Montague says the debate over people being able to self-identify as women has become aggressive.

A public meeting hosted by campaign group Speak Up for Women, will be held on Thursday in Wellington to “peacefully” discuss conflicts between women’s rights and proposed changes around self identification.

The collective’s argument comes as a process is underway to make legal changes to sex on birth certificates easier.

Montague and other lesbians and radical feminists argue that gender identity trumping biological sex will have far reaching implications for the rights women have fought for, including women’s only spaces like changing rooms, prisons and women’s refuges being infringed upon by men claiming to be women.

“Why are we replacing biology with ideology?” Montague said.


Earlier this month Wellington feminist Renee Gerlich’s posters celebrating 125 years of women’s suffrage were pulled by Phantom Billstickers over rainbow youth group’s concerns they were transphobic.

“This whole idea of sex self-identification, that government now wants enable as a one-step process, means we lose any robust, shared definition of sex. That in turn undermines all sex-based protections, which are especially important for women,” Gerlich said.

The implementation of sex self-identification with a single administrative declaration would allow convicted male sex offenders who identify as women – men like Rory FrancisAlex Seu and Malcolm Platt – to gain automatic access to women’s prisons upon sentencing.

“In short, these government proposals represent an unprecedented roll back of gains that women have fought hard for, and women need not only to be allowed to voice concerns about them – if this is a democracy, lawmakers should be actively seeking to hear women’s concerns and objections, and should be setting up opportunities for those to be aired freely,” Gerlich said.

Both Corrections and Department of Internal Affairs said they had provided advice on the Births, Deaths & Marriages Registration Bill currently before Parliament, and would see what happened.

Ah, there’s a bill before parliament causing some angst and arguments.

Self identification of one’s gender at one’s convenience could potentially have some unintended consequences.


  1. Gezza

     /  2nd September 2018

    I’m with the biological ladies until the trans get it chopped off or added, depending which way they go.

    • Gezza

       /  3rd September 2018

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  3rd September 2018

        ‘It’ isn’t actually chopped off.

        The dangly bits are, but the rest is remodelled into lady parts.

        Have you ever seen a frankfurter that has split down the middle ? I won’t go on, I will spare my own and your blushes. You have enough imagination to work it out.

  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  2nd September 2018

    Obviously major problems in women’s sports. Unisex toilets should solve that problem. Women only spaces should be managed by those that own them and not by public bodies.

  3. Trevors_elbow

     /  3rd September 2018

    Identity politics reaching its ultimate self absorbed self destructive state…

  4. chrism56

     /  3rd September 2018

    Germaine Greer and Julie Burchill are prominent UK TERFs who have been attacked by Labour and Trans rights activists for not being inclusive. No-one has even addressed the points that the writers raised, probably because there is no answer other than hypocrisy. If former radical feminists are the new enemy, the revolution has failed as it has devoured its children.

  5. admiralvonspee

     /  3rd September 2018

    The ultimate progressive left utopia – the emancipation of “everyone” at the expense of every cultural norm and societal institution which stands in the way.

  6. artcroft

     /  3rd September 2018

    I’m looking forward to the day Wimbledon has to award the women’s singles trophy to someone who is clearly a man. Lol. #can’t wait

    • artcroft

       /  3rd September 2018

      Preferable a man with beard.

      • David

         /  3rd September 2018

        Serena Williams wouldnt even make it into the top 100 mens rankings you could literally end biological women in tennis and given the prize money could be an easy earn in it.

  7. Blazer

     /  3rd September 2018

    far too much transplaining ….these days…;)

  8. David

     /  3rd September 2018

    Most of the world seem to be muddling through with the UK being an outlier, PM May is going to such lengths to make the Tories look progressive its turned into a total mess.
    Been doing a bit of reading on rapid onset transgenderism which is almost exclusively a phenomenon in teenage girls with 70% of those somewhere on the autism scale. A big UK problem is if a girl presents then very few clinicians are brave enough to explore there could be other underlying issues..the trans lobby are ferocious.
    I think there will be a big backlash but probably not for a decade or so when girls have been put on hormone blockers or more severe interventions and find themselves infertile or worse.
    Dr Debra Soh has some interesting stuff.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  3rd September 2018

      If a girl presents what ? Presents needs an object.

      • Gezza

         /  3rd September 2018

        In medical parlance that’s not stritctly true.
        Patients seeking treatment are routinely said to “present, exhibiting symptoms”.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  3rd September 2018

          It’s still meaningless. It’s like saying that someone is manifesting.

          • Gezza

             /  3rd September 2018

            It’s not meaningless – it is very meaningful in the medical profession.
            David has used it correctly above.
            That’s the end of the matter.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  3rd September 2018

              How can someone be said to be presenting without them actually presenting anything ? It is a misuse of the word. It’s meaningless.

              Why not say that they have been presented or presented themselves ?

            • Gezza

               /  3rd September 2018

              This is something you must take up with the medical, psychology and psychiatric professions,where it has been long in common usage in both discussions, reports, letters between professionals and other documenation. I know this because I have seen many of all of these in both my former profession and in my own personal life & the extensive medical records I have kept for both myself and my late wife.

              Good luck. 👍

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