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  1. lurcher1948

     /  September 4, 2018

    No PM on Hosking or AM this morning,stale old white men asking pesky questions,when there are so many better things to do.

    • Gezza

       /  September 4, 2018

      Say what you like about the man Lurchy I reckon if he offered himself to lead National into the next election they could be on to a winner.

      He wouldn’t need any advisers either. He already knows everything.

      • lurcher1948

         /  September 4, 2018

        A two headed National party monster,joint PMs but their egos would not let one enter a room after the other so nothing would ever get done.8 more years of labor

        • Gezza

           /  September 4, 2018

          I dunno mate. Can we afford Jacinda? Another term & next thing you know Defence will be buying her her own Dreamliner? They’re not cheap, Lurch. $300m odd.

          • Gezza

             /  September 4, 2018

            At least we’d only have to shell out for a pushbike for JAG’s sprog. 😒

        • Corky

           /  September 4, 2018

          I believe the Labour caucus room is near Nationals. Once Labour explodes ( implodes?) there will be plenty of room for those Rightie egos. Try two more years of Labour, Lurchy.

          • Gezza

             /  September 4, 2018

            I’m actually serious, Corks. Love him or hate him (mostly for me it’s the latter) Hosking, to me, pretty much epitomises National’s founding principles. And he takes positions on issues without faffing about. He usually has a rationale for his position, can explain it simply, & isn’t so rigidly dogmatic he can’t change it in the face of a better argument or more information not previously known. He’s the sort of person National is lacking in its line-up.

            • Corky

               /  September 4, 2018

              Agreed. No, I was aiming at Lurchy. I could live with the camera cutting to Hoskings as National leader after interviewing Jacinda. At present when they cut to Simon the jarring and vacuousness is grating.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              Jacinda would slay Hoskings. National might stay on 45, and that would suit just fine. No non-Nat’s gonna loike Moike.

            • Corky

               /  September 4, 2018

              If you think that, I would give up the Roundup, Robert. Jacinda has nowhere near the intellectual ability of Hoskings….in my opinion.

            • Gezza

               /  September 4, 2018

              You might be surprised robert. He was a pain in the proverbial on 7 Sharp (but his and Toni’s replacements are a bloody Yawn Fest), & his rapid fire blithering on his radio show can raise ya blood pressure as much as trying to pick out the words in yaw average LA afro rap “song” – but his Mike’s Minute soliloquies in his wife’s jackets can quite often be pretty much on the money to the non-tribals such as my good self. (Not always, but reasonably often.) In the Nat leader or PM role we wouldn’t have to put up with hours of endless blather – he’d be getting 2 or 3 second sound-bites. It would work to his advantage with the peasants.

            • Gezza

               /  September 4, 2018

              Or if not with the peasants, at least with the self-employed tradespersons, the yeomanry and the landed gentry and their butlers and head cooks.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              Having never listened to the man and only ever read comments about him, I can’t present a strong case, so I’ll not squabble over what seems to me to be a lightweight character. He might well be National’s Great Hope; certainly they have no other.

            • Gezza

               /  September 4, 2018

              Hey, speaking of Great Hopes, has JAG announced any name for her offspring yet? Can’t recall seeing it. (Or is she waiting until it’s old enough to decide what gender it wants to be?)

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              I don’t know, Gezza. If the Genter’s gender’s the issue, Jamie would do; Leslie, Robin or any of the other gender-non-specific handles we’ve employed for centuries.

            • Gezza

               /  September 4, 2018

              What about Aspen? or Jojo?

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              Vespa or Vesper?

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              Jude?
              Yeah, nah!

            • Gezza

               /  September 4, 2018

              Robin’s no good, I think the spelling for a female is Robyn?

            • Gezza

               /  September 4, 2018

              How about Pook?

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              Taken.

            • Gezza

               /  September 4, 2018

              No – forget that last one. It would get mis-pronounced as Puke as in throw up by the semi-literates.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              I’ve a friend named “Puke” – he’s Maori. His name means, “hill”. It’s pronounced to rhyme with “rookie” (pretty much – shorten the final vowel)

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 4, 2018

              Leslie is usually Lesley for a woman.

              As Jamie is a diminutive of James, it’s like calling someone Jimmy or Jim. Why anyone would call a child that is beyond me.

              How about Epicine or Neuter ?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 4, 2018

              Androgyne ? Nemo ?

              It will probably be called something like Kahikatea.

              I would be even worried about NZ if the PM had less intellectual ability than Mike Hosking.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              I’m thinking (*insert whatever name the parents want to call their child).

            • Gezza

               /  September 4, 2018

              I’m thinking they should do it the Green Party Way and put it to the membership.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              Or invite speculation on an inconsequential blog 🙂

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              I doubt neither “Pete” nor “George” are goers.

            • Gezza

               /  September 4, 2018

              Or invite speculation on an inconsequential blog
              Shit. Has it been on TS?

  2. Corky

     /  September 4, 2018

    China’s Global Electricity Takeover.

    China has invested US$452 billion globally.on electricity transmission ventures.

    Take home points:

    1- Major investment globally in vital infrastructure.
    2- The simple economic model China uses even though profits are minimal- quite
    unacceptable by Western standards.
    3- Advanced transmission technology China offers countries. Chinese technology loses 1% of power via transmission vs 4% for standard technology..
    4- Ramifications for national and global security.

    http://tinyurl.com/y6v7k685

    • Gezza

       /  September 4, 2018

      China’s Xi offers $60bn in financial support to Africa

      Xi Jinping pledges $60bn in financial aid to African countries and pledges to write off debt for poorer nations.

      Al Jazeera’s Adrian Brown, reporting from Beijing, said economists and some international financial institutions worry that Chinese loans are burying some countries under massive debt. “It’s hard to think of any country in Africa that has not been touched by China,” he said, adding that China rejects the claim of “debt-trap diplomacy”.

      Beijing loaned around $125bn to the continent from 2000 to 2016, according to data from the China-Africa Research Initiative at Washington’s Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies.

      Every African country is represented at the business forum apart from eSwatini, self-ruled Taiwan’s last African ally that has so far rejected China’s overtures to ditch Taipei and recognise Beijing.
      更多 …
      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/09/china-xi-offers-60bn-financial-support-africa-180903100000809.html

  3. lurcher1948

     /  September 4, 2018

    So the big question for Duncan Garner is after pissing the acting PM Winston Peters off to not appear on his show will he annoy our PM off enough to give AM a miss for a while

  4. Corky

     /  September 4, 2018

    Human existence and history continues to be rewritten.Will we eventually be traced back to the fabled Atlantis? Maybe we have things wrong… did we evolve or devolve?

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180711131158.htm

    • Gezza

       /  September 4, 2018

      No only the Atlantisians evolved Corks. They’re mermaids and mermen now.

      • Corky

         /  September 4, 2018

        Atlanteans. Mermaids and Mermen are fables. Or, are they? There are strange stories out of Indonesia.

        • robertguyton

           /  September 4, 2018

          Geddaway! Daryl Hanna’s not Indonesian !

          • Pickled Possum

             /  September 4, 2018

            But Daryl is an ex Splash mermaid and is currently going out with Neil Young.
            and she has been to Indonesia.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              Un-fricken-canny, PP!!!
              Though something smells fishy…

            • Corky

               /  September 4, 2018

              Was she in Indonesia in 1910, 1928, 1940? Oh , I get it..she has reincarnated. 😃

        • Gezza

           /  September 4, 2018

          There are strange stories out of Indonesia.
          Foreigners Corks. One expects that sort of thing.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 4, 2018

            Been reincarnated.

            • Corky

               /  September 4, 2018

              Oh..”she been reincarnated.”

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 4, 2018

              she’s been

            • Corky

               /  September 4, 2018

              Well, why didn’t you write that in the first place? If you want to be a nitpicking busybody go the whole distance…and maybe write something of note.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 4, 2018

              I couldn’t know that you’d think that ‘she been reincarnated’ would make sense. How could I ?

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              “nitpicking busybody”
              That paints a picture, Corky!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 4, 2018

              Alas, we have a resident busybody who can’t bear it if anyone challenges his inflated self-image.

              I notice that, despite his idea that his general knowledge is greater than mine, he didn’t answer any of the questions that I asked, although they were all rather basic.

            • Gezza

               /  September 4, 2018

              Um … Oxford Online Dictionary
              Reincarnate
              VERB
              [WITH OBJECT]
              Pronunciation /ˌriːɪnˈkɑːneɪt/
              1Cause (someone) to undergo rebirth in another body.

              ‘a man may be reincarnated in animal form’
              More example sentences
              1.1 no object Be reborn in another body.
              ‘they were afraid she would reincarnate as a vampire’

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 4, 2018

              The OOD is not the OED, as far as I know.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 4, 2018

              That sounds American rather than English usage.

            • Gezza

               /  September 4, 2018

              Have you actually checked the OED? And how up to date a version is it?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 4, 2018

              Reincarnate is a transitive verb in English; it may not be in American, but they haven’t spoken English as such there for many years.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              Corky’s pretty smart, Kitty – did you know about the Indonesian mermaids??? I certainly didn’t; he’s a walking encyclopaedia!!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 4, 2018

              He’s a walking something; encyclopaedia isn’t exactly the word I had in mind.

          • robertguyton

             /  September 4, 2018

            Verb. reincarnate (third-person singular simple present reincarnates, present participle reincarnating, simple past and past participle reincarnated )

  5. lurcher1948

     /  September 4, 2018

    FAKE NEWS from whaleblubber, at least use a picture of the right model of plane
    https://i0.wp.com/www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/jacindas-jet-watermark.jpg?resize=630%2C268&ssl=1

    • Gezza

       /  September 4, 2018

      Next time, backspace all the resize characters after ‘jpg’ Lurchy. It needs to stop at jpg, although the image may be bigger.

      • lurcher1948

         /  September 4, 2018

        Sorry all this high tech when i come from the days of steam Gezza

        • Gezza

           /  September 4, 2018

          No worries. I got caught out a few times before I cottoned on to this bizzo.

  6. PDB

     /  September 4, 2018

    Any of Winston’s mates?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/106807066/police-raids-on-harness-racing-entities

    “Harness racing identities have been arrested in police raids on multiple stables throughout the country including Canterbury.
    Police executed search warrants on stables in Canterbury, Invercargill and Manawatu connected to a number of racing figures.”

    “Sources say the raids relate to allegations of race fixing and drugs.”

    • Blazer

       /  September 4, 2018

      Winstons mates are the big TB breeders.Harness are the poor cousins…’gypsies,thieves on wheels’ in racing.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 4, 2018

        Identities, indeed; why not ‘well-known people’ ?

  7. lurcher1948

     /  September 4, 2018

    Just listened to Barry Sopers daily rant justifying his existence on Andrew Dickens stale pale rightwing rant show and it was Ardern,this Ardern that.At times i feel like reaching out and tapping these worn out,and date used by political hacks and say HER NAME IS PRIME MINISTER JACINDA ARDERN try using PM.PM Ardern you rude right wing NZME hack

    • PDB

       /  September 4, 2018

      John Key was often referred to as just ‘Key’ so hardly a hanging offense.

      • lurcher1948

         /  September 4, 2018

        Its ALL THE TIME from old white righties,its as if their manhoods challenged with a mother PM

        • PDB

           /  September 4, 2018

          Do you also complain when many of the MSM just call her ‘Jacinda’?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 4, 2018

            I think that it’s rude and familiar to call a woman by her last name, I have no time for the PM, but I wouldn’t call her Ardern.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              I agree with Kitty. Key, yes, Ardern, no. There’s a difference (one’s a rotter).

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 4, 2018

              That’s a bit harsh. I don’t know that I’d go as far as calling Miss Ardern a rotter, even if she’s not Jewish (she can’t help it, poor thing)

  8. lurcher1948

     /  September 4, 2018
  9. sorethumb

     /  September 4, 2018

    • phantom snowflake

       /  September 4, 2018

      …And the decisive response:

      Tens of thousands of people have flocked to an anti-racism concert in Chemnitz which aims to drown out recent far-right protests and violence in the eastern German city.
      Under the banner #wirsindmehr (‘There are more of us’), city authorities estimated that as many as 50,000 people had come out to challenge a wave of far-right and neo-Nazi demonstrations since a Syrian and an Iraqi were suspects in a fatal stabbing more than a week ago.

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/03/thousands-turn-out-for-chemnitz-anti-racism-rock-concert

  10. Gezza

     /  September 4, 2018

    Question Time in 10 minutes. Still a vicious Southerly blasting away outside. Might have a shufti & see what’s the guts.

    • Gezza

       /  September 4, 2018

      Question 1: Does PM have confidence in all her Ministers?

      Simon going for Jacinda over the Meka and Claire scandals.
      Jacinda floundering about making excuses

    • Gezza

       /  September 4, 2018

      Christ. Ruth Dyson’s still there.
      How the hell is that even possible? o_O

    • Gezza

       /  September 4, 2018

      A lot of the Labour Ministers are wearing strange looking leis and speaking Tongan this week.

      • Corky

         /  September 4, 2018

        Weird to say the least? I might be called a ”crank,” but these guys look like cranks. And I don’t speak Tongan.

    • Gezza

       /  September 4, 2018

      Paula tackling Willie over his numbers on NewShub Nation

      • Gezza

         /  September 4, 2018

        Might post this one later.

        • Gezza

           /  September 4, 2018

          Trev told him order order that’s enuf when he started blithering

      • Gezza

         /  September 4, 2018


        (Willie had to seek leave to make a correction at the end of Question 12, something about his 82% was 82,000 or something – I dunno – was a bit shambolic)

        • Gezza

           /  September 4, 2018

          Correction at 2:10

        • robertguyton

           /  September 4, 2018

          It was pretty simple, Gezza. Willie said 90% down to 72% or some such, but corrected that to 90 000 down to 72 000; numbers, not percentages.

          • Gezza

             /  September 4, 2018

            Righto. I wasn’t really listening, I was doing some work on a shoe.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              Coblin’ – good for the sole.

            • Gezza

               /  September 4, 2018

              Cobbling. Trying out some black acrylic paint as a temporary sealer & crack filler on me fave slip-ons. Got em drying by the gas heater, needed today because the blasting Southerly is still vicious here. Doesn’t matter if it doesn’t work, worth a try.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              Lordy! Taken down by a simple double-b! Never mind. The weather here’s…lovely and I’ve spent much of the day in the forest-garden. There have been worse days.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 4, 2018

            Cobblers to you.

    • Gezza

       /  September 4, 2018

      Trev’s agreed to allow an urgent debate on the shambolic mess and inappropriate behaviour of Clare Curran and how it was handled by the weak leadership of Jacinda. Simon getting stuck in now.

      • Gezza

         /  September 4, 2018

        Actually not that bad a performance from him. Called her stupid.

      • robertguyton

         /  September 4, 2018

        Ho hum.
        Dealt with. I hope Jacinda asks about Richard Worth and the rest of the horrid crew whose behaviour Key turned a blind-eye to. Bridges sounds a fool.

        • Gezza

           /  September 4, 2018

          Simon said on this side we won’t be weak – we’ll be a strong, stable government delivering real growth etc.

          Now Chippy’s sneering at him and reckoning he’s only a vote away from getting the push.

          • robertguyton

             /  September 4, 2018

            Simon’s having a great time and there are issues for the Government to address, but…
            “two snapper short of a resignation” – Chippy said and pointed out how off-topic Bridges had been throughout his rant. Now Chippy’s listing the errant Nats. The Nats should have kept this under their hats, really.

        • Gezza

           /  September 4, 2018

          Those guys are in the past, robert. Catch up. We need to be living in the now.

  11. lurcher1948

     /  September 4, 2018

    SHIT i wish simon could speak understandable english

    • Corky

       /  September 4, 2018

      Lol… why do you think we have Google translate? Ask Kitty, she will show you how it works.
      It’s great for Latin..and big noting

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 4, 2018

        Hardly great; don’t rely on it for accuracy. If anyone needs to be shown how to work it (it sounds as if you don’t know, or you wouldn’t be advising someone to ask me) they must be rather computer-illiterate.

        It’s far better to have actually learned it as I have (school and university) and not rely on Google when you won’t know whether it’s right or not.

        It’s good for a laugh to put something you know into it and see what it translates it as.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 4, 2018

          Still laughing at the idea that I would use Google Translate, especially for Latin.

          I looked at it just now….it said that the Latin for ‘please’ was ‘imploro’ 😀 😀 😀

          Spare me.

          • robertguyton

             /  September 4, 2018

            What a larf!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 4, 2018

              Yes, imagine if someone believed it and used that.

              It also told me that something was the same in English as it was in Latin, which it isn’t (it was a phrase, not a single word that could be)

              Google Translate non compos mentis est, as my grandfather would say.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              Well, my dad used to say, Non compost mantis and we all laughed when he did!

  12. lurcher1948

     /  September 4, 2018

    WOW simon bridges mentioned SECRET MOBILE PHONES, is he saying National secrets where leaked by Claire Curren i hope he has facts,IS NATIONAL AS PORUS AS A SPONGE

    • robertguyton

       /  September 4, 2018

      They’re called “KEY-phones” or alternatively, “SLATER-phones”. Simon should’ve left that bit out.
      Hey, Chippy’s pretty eloquent.

  13. robertguyton

     /  September 4, 2018

    Who dunnit!!!
    Calling on Bridges to resign. Addressing Bridges’ “puffery” now. Simon shoulda shut-up. Gotta go into the village. Looking forward to Gezza’s transcript.

  14. lurcher1948

     /  September 4, 2018

    Nick Smith screamed out “I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 28 YEARS” and have 14 portfolios well hell Nick you are past YOUR USED BY DATE…move on to a Chinese bank or board or an Australian bank or a large company after all its the National way SELLING OUT

  15. lurcher1948

     /  September 4, 2018

    Why do elderly stale pale white bald headed national MPs look like used japanese car salesman, they really do, buy this mazda and call it ponytail,what could go wrong

    • Corky

       /  September 4, 2018

      Maybe you could tell us, Lurchy?

      • robertguyton

         /  September 4, 2018

        Is it ’cause if they weren’t, they would be?

        • lurcher1948

           /  September 4, 2018

          thanks for helpingCorky out

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 4, 2018

            How about showing him out and locking the door behind him ?

            • Corky

               /  September 4, 2018

              I’ve been waiting for Pete to do similar with you. Alas, my hopes have been dashed.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 5, 2018

              Well, if you are banned again, you won’t have to hear from me. will you ?

              I have done nothing to be banned for.

  16. Corky

     /  September 4, 2018

    Damn straight, woman. Er, I mean female being. Trumpy is god.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/09/political-punches-that-get-my-heart-a-flutter/

    • lurcher1948

       /  September 4, 2018

      You must be the only person reading whaleblubber?everyone else has been banned including me

      • Corky

         /  September 4, 2018

        You’d be surprised at the regulars who turn up at Whaleoil, Lurchy. Why, just today, someone lost a throwaway identity in less than 20 seconds. A new banning record I believe.

  17. Gezza

     /  September 4, 2018

    I can already hear yells of “BOHICA” from Public Servants to each other as they duck


    Does this look like an honest face?

    State Services Minister Chris Hipkins is confident a major reform of the public service into a single system will not see a return to the bloated and inefficient public service of decades ago.

    Hipkins today launched a public consultation process ahead of what he called the most significant reform of the public service in 30 years and a major shift in the way it operates.

    “The changes would see the public service operate as one, joined-up system to tackle the big, complex challenges facing New Zealand.
    More …
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12119050

  18. Kitty Catkin

     /  September 4, 2018

    It seems that landlords will be required to put heaters in the tenants’ bedrooms.

    Will the landlords be prosecuted if the tenants don’t use them ? Or have to pay the power bill if the tenants don’t or won’t ?

    There are going to be some busy estate agents.

  19. lurcher1948

     /  September 4, 2018

    Give a islander a uniform and some power and they will strip you of accreditation with a talk with a refugee

    • Gezza

       /  September 4, 2018

      That doesn’t make sense, although I know what you’re getting at.
      Please have another try.

  20. David

     /  September 4, 2018

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12118932

    Dann misses the point, Kaepernick kneeled when Obama was running the place, black men were regularly gunned down by police on a far too regular basis under Obama. Its not a Trump thing its a BLM thing.

  21. lurcher1948

     /  September 4, 2018

    And yes the police still persist in covering there own bums
    https://t.co/ght5fz48Jj