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5 September 2018

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  1. Blazer

     /  September 5, 2018

    takin care of biz..the ‘american way..

    • Corky

       /  September 5, 2018

      And returning to the American way is making America..great again. Those Dems aren’t too bad with fiddling the books ( amongst other things) are they, Blazer.

  2. PartisanZ

     /  September 5, 2018

    “No wonder trust among people disappears as society becomes divided between haves and have-nots. When people don’t trust their governments and their fellow citizens, who would be excited to contribute to the financial commons—taxes?” – Lixing Sun

    http://evonomics.com/america-hates-socialism-without-knowing/?utm_source=newsletter_campaign=organic

    • Corky

       /  September 5, 2018

      The guys a biologist, Parti. However, during one presentation he used a Jackson Pollock painting as an example, so he gets a pass from me. For me the problem isn’t the haves and have-nots.. its between the government and the people. Governments always artificially regulate what should be natural human existence.

      Here’s a darn fine Aussie film where the greedy bankers who foreclosed on the main characters, parents farm, causing the dad to commit suicide, receive natural justice.

      • robertguyton

         /  September 5, 2018

        What is it about Jackson Pollock’s work that thrills you, Corky?

        • Corky

           /  September 5, 2018

          Geez, I don’t know, Robert. I find his work fascinating. I had a doctor who had one print in his reception room. Rarely did I not see someone peering at it, trying to decide whether it was crap or if the artist had some merit.

          However, one thing I do know that adds to my enjoyment, is the study some boffin carried out on Pollock’s work. He came to the conclusion Pollock’s work wasn’t that of a madman splashing paint on a canvass..no, these paintings had ”fractal integrity.”😃 Apparently, all Pollock’s work had this underlying structure. Therefore the conclusion was this guy was a genius.

          If said boffin had taken a deep breath and thought about peoples individual writing styles; styles that are basically unconscious reflections of a persons individual nervous system, he would have understood anyone who did similar paintings to Pollock would also have their own ”fractal integrity.’

          • robertguyton

             /  September 5, 2018

            I entirely agree with your view, Corky and am delighted to read it.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 5, 2018

              You must be joking; it’s meaningless.

            • Corky

               /  September 5, 2018

              Like your Latin.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 5, 2018

              What’s “meaningless”, in you opinion? Corky’s opinion on Pollock, or Pollock’s art? And to whom is your comment addressed, Kitty?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 5, 2018

              As you don’t know any Latin, Corky, that is a particularly stupid remark. Even if it was ‘meaningless’, you wouldn’t know.

              Asinissimus es. Non compos mentis es, etiam. Gnarus non es.

              The comment was addressed to you, Robert. The opinion on Pollock is weasel words that don’t say anything, really. The last paragraph is just silly. He’s rehashing things that he doesn’t understand. Just as he says that things written in languages qu’il ne comprend pas are meaningless, although he doesn’t know what they mean.

            • Corky

               /  September 5, 2018

              All this bs started with your worthless remarks. You follow up with more worthless remarks, and still cant get it right even with a proper set-up.

              ”The opinion on Pollock is weasel words that don’t say anything.”

              An expert on Pollock. Why aren’t I surprised.

              ”The last paragraph is just silly. He’s rehashing things that he doesn’t understand.”

              Expand and explain with concrete examples. Not vague bs about not understanding.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 5, 2018

              You are wrong, Kitty; Corky “gets” Pollock. You don’t.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 5, 2018

              And of course Corky knows some Latin (you claim he doesn’t know any Latin); e.g. – that’s not a tough one and I’ll bet Corky’s come across that before! How about De Facto? Or alibi? I’m betting Corky’s familiar with those. Bonus? Good, eh! Corky will be as familiar as any of us with that Latin. Eh, Corks! In any case, he can use Google as well as you can, Kitty. Copy-Paste-Know, that’s the Way!

            • robertguyton

               /  September 5, 2018

              And fractals are frickin’ funky!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 5, 2018

              I don’t think that he does, really. His knowledge of the arts is limited. He doesn’t seem to know any languages but English and he doesn’t know even that very well.

              His statement that I am a Pollock expert, implying that had claimed to be) is a distortion (a lie) As usual, he responds to disagreement with personal abuse. I made no comments on the art of Pollock.

              His remarks are obviously a rehash of something that he has imperfectly understood.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 5, 2018

              Kitty, you’re thrashing about like a landed fish! Corky likes Pollock’s paintings – end of story. He doesn’t need to “understand” them, though he may, at some level, he needs only to enjoy them, as he says he does. Go Corky, you art-guy, you. Kitty: Corky gets Pollock – do you?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 5, 2018

              He may well know words like bonus, but almost certainly doesn’t know that they are Latin, and he didn’t know the meaning of de facto when I used that. Good luck with googling Latin writing ; Google Translate makes some awful howlers ( ‘imploro’ for ‘please’ is one) I tested it with things that I knew to see what it would say. At best it gives a literal translation, but doesn’t know when this makes no sense. I think it gives the first meaning of a word and can’t tell whether it’s the right one.

              Pollock himself declined to comment on or interpret his own works, as he said that it would destroy them. I know that his paintings were expressive, not representational, and only a fool would consider them to be just paint splashed all over a canvas. Or ‘canvass’, as Corky has it. That critic was setting up straw men. One can really only appreciate the paintings and the feeling that went into them, not attempt to explain them or interpret them. Or so we read when I did art history at Victoria.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 5, 2018

              Feeling a little dissected Corky 🙂
              I’m thinking you didn’t do art history at Vic, but still get Pollock! Go Corky!!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 5, 2018

              I wonder how many he has seen, apart from the print in the office.

              They need to be seen in reality to be really appreciated, as the texture is an integral part. I admired them before I saw the real thing in the UK (The Tate, I think, rather than the National Gallery) but seeing them in reality is a revelation. They look very tactile. Needless to say that one doesn’t put this to the test.

              I am not arrogant enough to say that I ‘get’ (completely understand )Pollock. I appreciate his genius and vision. But I don’t pretend to interpret his works when he refused to do so on the grounds that to explain them was to destroy them. Nor do the world’s really great art critics.

            • Gezza

               /  September 5, 2018

              I never used to know anything about art & used to feel rather ignorant about it – but now I get what it is, and if people who know about it think I’m ignorant about it, I just larf at them behind their backs & say nothing.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 5, 2018

              Gezza – are you a Michael Leunig fan?

          • Gezza

             /  September 5, 2018

            I’m a fan of whatever art makes me feel something.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  September 5, 2018

    I hope this person is not in a position of power,he would set his NIKES why still wearing them. Stolen from a nearby rightwing blog
    “Last of my 5 rentals now empty, and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

    Not so much the house WoF as an issue, as they’re all high-quality builds etc., it’s just that I’m not going to be dictated to with regards to tenure, pricing and so on.

    Twyfraud can get stuffed”
    ps what about rates,change of insurance status etc

    • lurcher1948

       /  September 5, 2018

      TYPO RESET set his NIKES on fire why still wearing them

  4. Zedd

     /  September 5, 2018

    med-cannabis reform ?
    reeferendum ?

    very quiet all of a sudden… :/ 😦

    • twas the year before law reform..
      all the through the house..
      not a creature was stirring..
      not even a mouse !

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 5, 2018

        And mama in her kerchief,
        And I in my cap,
        Were stoned well and truly
        And having a nap.

  5. Zedd

     /  September 5, 2018

    TYPO: ‘all the through the house’.. only one ‘the’ required

  6. lurcher1948

     /  September 5, 2018

    Love you PG in a manly way non sexual multi cultural way(covered all bases) are you freezing your arse off down in the deep south??

    • We had a bit of a blow and rain on Sunday night and things cooled off a bit but no sign of snow, even on the hills,

      Since then the weather has improved, a very nice day today and with a gentle-ish breeze the stars and planets are brilliant tonight. Mars nearly overhead, Venus particularly bright heading west, with Jupiter and Saturn in between.

  7. lurcher1948

     /  September 5, 2018

    RIGHTIES,Sir Key screwed peoples lives into the ground why Sir Key made millions as PM, He made millions as New Zealands PM why EVERY WORKER STRUGGLED, the lids coming of Key and Englishes hatred of the working New Zealander,wait Simon dosnt want wage increases but the right think hes an idiot, Simon the money National think you are a tool
    THINK of all the boards Key and English are on, CHINESE AUSTRALIAN a FACT…nothing to see here, yer right

  8. High Flying Duck

     /  September 5, 2018

    Minister of Open Government:

    • lurcher1948

       /  September 5, 2018

      YAWN…8 more years sorry righties no one else cares

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  September 5, 2018

      What on EARTH is she talking about ???

      Translation needed. I don’t have a gibberish dictionary.

    • Corky

       /  September 5, 2018

      Fine post, High Flyer. Especially given Melissa Lee asked the question. Great woman. Not so great from the Labour shelia who obviously has been told there is no next time. What with Jonesey being babysitted by Robinson and Parker while visiting the Reserve Bank Governor in a vain attempt to control banks in the provinces and Meka allegedly going feral, it’s hard to predict the straw that’ll break the back of the Taniwha for Labour.

      • lurcher1948

         /  September 5, 2018

        Yawn,forgotten in a few days

        • Corky

           /  September 5, 2018

          True..but banning shark cage diving at Stewart Island wont’t be so easily forgotten. Two companies out of business ready to join a plastic bag company that”ll be gone by Xmas. Hundreds of tourists gone. Big tourist money gone.

          All grist for an overworked mill.

          • robertguyton

             /  September 5, 2018

            Whaddabout the paua divers, Corky – menaced by Great Whites, burleyed to the eyeballs!

            • Corky

               /  September 5, 2018

              Fair point. I don’t know.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 5, 2018

              She would have been better to have stopped and said something like ‘I’m sorry, I have lost my train of thought.’, excused herself and sat down.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  September 5, 2018

              Any evidence of that, Robert?

            • robertguyton

               /  September 5, 2018

              Evidence that sharks are attracted by burley, old chum?
              Yep. Plenty (ask the sharks).

        • Gezza

           /  September 5, 2018

          Yawn,forgotten in a few days
          That’s the problem Lurchy. In fact she forgets things in a few seconds. She’s probably as surprised as anyone else to hear what she’s saying.

    • Gezza

       /  September 5, 2018

      Fark. 🙄 She needs to go. And take Own Goal Golriz with her. :/

  9. lurcher1948

     /  September 5, 2018

    America was always great before tRump POTUS # 45 and his bonespurs appeared on the scene, but American will survive tRumps cheating at golf and remember their steam train history and engineering skills,so great

  10. Corky

     /  September 5, 2018

    Lordy, saw an advert for Seven Sharp where bright young things are making their school cafeteria cashless. They are completely clueless that cash has an objective value. Cashless credit is simple dots and dashes capable of disappearing in a second…provided the electronic network is working. Good luck in an emergency trying to get people to accept your worthless credit card as a bartering commodity.

    Lambs to the slaughter of Big Brother.

  11. lurcher1948

     /  September 5, 2018

    Poor Penny Bright fought the fight for what she believed in but she is on the edge of the rainbow bridge, a brave woman with convictions and standards,
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/national-video/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=197897

    • Pickled Possum

       /  September 5, 2018

      Dead Right Lurch she is a fighter till the end. Peaceful journey Penny.