Curran on leave as pressure persists

A week after being dumped from Cabinet (but keeping the Broadcasting portfolio) Clare Curran is still under pressure, so much so that she took leave from Parliament yesterday rather than face more questions.

ODT: Questions left unanswered – Curran a no-show

It is not known when under-fire Dunedin South MP Clare Curran will return to Parliament.

The Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media was a no-show in the House yesterday, a day after she gave a fumbling performance over questions about her use of a private email account.

In oral questions, National MP Melissa Lee again wanted to ask the minister if she stood by all her answers to oral and written questions.

Ms Lee sought leave to hold over her questions until Ms Curran was present but her request was denied.

Labour Cabinet minister Megan Woods answered questions on her behalf.

Woods didn’t actually answer any questions – this was a poor play by Labour.

Ms Curran did not respond to calls and her staff have told media she would not be available today either.

She has gone to ground, leaving a mess that so far Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has not addressed anywhere near adequately.

But Ardern (actually Chris Hipkins) is at least addressing the use of private email accounts by Ministers. Newstalk ZB: Curran takes leave as focus turns to email use

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is making sure ministers know her expectations around the use of personal email accounts being used for Government business, after Broadcasting Minister Clare Curran was caught out by the practice.

There is nothing in the Cabinet Manual, the rulebook for ministers, about the use of alternative email accounts.

But Minister of Ministerial Services Chris Hipkins said today that Ardern had asked the Cabinet Office to issue guidance on the use of alternative email accounts by ministers to clarify the issue.

That is expected to happen this week.

“There is nothing specifically in the Cabinet Manual about use of alternate email accounts. However, ministers, in the vast majority of cases, use the parliamentary email for ministerial/government business,” Hipkins said.

“There are very practical reasons why ministers sometimes use Gmail … It is good practice on these occasions to CC any Government business emails to their parliamentary emails. It is important to note also that Gmail use is subject to relevant transparency legislation: OIA, Public Records Act,” Hipkins said in a statement.

It is remarkable this hadn’t been dealt with already, but use of Gmail is only a part of Curran’s problem. Her confidence looks shot, and she has become a festering liability for Ardern’s Government.

I think Curran does ok as an electorate MP, but she has had a less stellar political career away from Dunedin.

She became embroiled in controversy in Parliament before becoming an MP. Wikipedia:

In May 2006 Curran was appointed to a contractual role within the Ministry for the Environment following a recommendation from Environment Minister David Parker’s office to provide communications advice on the Government’s climate change strategy. This appointment was the subject of an investigation by the State Services Commission into the appropriateness of Curran’s engagement. The report found that the Ministry had failed to adequately identify Curran’s conflict of interest with respect to her relationship with Minister Parker.

The report found that a staff member in Parker’s office had described Curran as Parker’s “right-hand woman” and in an email to Environment Ministry Chief Executive Hugh Logan, and recommended that Curran meet with Logan to discuss communications. Logan resigned as Chief Executive of the Ministry hours before the State Services Commission’s report into the Curran affair was released.

She denied links to Kim Dotcom’s Internet Party in 2014: Curran again denies links to Dotcom

Dunedin South MP Clare Curran has again been forced to deny she is the electorate MP aligned with Kim Dotcom’s Internet Party.

Ms Curran was originally outed as an MP who had visited the internet mogul but in her role as Labour’s associate ICT spokeswoman, she could have been seen as just doing her job.

She stayed at Dotcom’s ‘mansion’.

Speculation has abounded about Mr Dotcom’s claims he has signed up an electorate MP to stand for his party in the September 20 election.

”I can categorically state ‘it’s not me’. I have been confirmed as the Labour candidate in Dunedin South.

It was remarkable she was given the Open Government portfolio when she has had conflictions with openness going well back – she was one of the MPs whose overbearing control made the Labour ‘Red Alert’ blog a farce, banning people who posted things she didn’t like, including Labour Party members.

It is impossible to know how MPs will measure up as Ministers until they are given a chance. She was elected in 2008 in Dunedin South, so she had more than enough experience as an MP.

She has rendered Labour’s ‘Open Government’ a farce.

Curran simply hasn’t been good enough. She has made a major hash of things at least twice now, doing things she should have known better about. She seems to think that rules and appropriate conduct as a Minister don’t apply to her.

It’s hard to see her retaining her position as a Minister. Ardern has already been criticised for her half handling of Curran late last Friday, and ‘the optics’ have deteriorated significantly since then.

Whether she will recover enough to be able to chug along as an electorate MP is yet to be seen, but she is not a good look for Labour at a time they have a number of unfavourable issues seriously questioning their competence.

127 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  September 7, 2018

    Hooton is onto Robert’s Lefty facists. Curran gets a dishonourable mention:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12120467

    • Blazer

       /  September 7, 2018

      Hooten,Hosking….don’t bother…same rant ,different day.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  September 7, 2018

        Same facts, same Lefty facism.

      • admiralvonspee

         /  September 7, 2018

        Blazer,Robert…don’t bother….rust never sleeps.

        • Blazer

           /  September 7, 2018

          watch your back…you never know when a rear’ admiral…might sneak up…on you!

    • robertguyton

       /  September 7, 2018

      Alan – did you pick up this detail from Hooton’s article:
      “Unbelievably, King and her colleagues also proposed that Labour and National be permanently funded as if their support is always 38 per cent or above, despite Labour winning just 37 per cent of the vote even in 2017.”
      and did you notice that Hooten didn’t mention that former National Party and Deputy Speaker, Eric Roy was “those colleagues”?
      Have you any comment about that?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  September 7, 2018

        Did you pick up this?

        King is again at the centre of the latest fuss as the Labour representative on the Appropriations Review Committee, along with former National MP Eric Roy, and a former Treasury official.

        • robertguyton

           /  September 7, 2018

          To what are you referring, Alan?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  September 7, 2018

            I answered your question. Hooton did name Roy as an ex Nat MP and fellow member of the Review panel with King.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 7, 2018

              So you’ll be calling the review and example of “Righty fascism” then?

    • Gezza

       /  September 7, 2018

  2. PDB

     /  September 7, 2018

    She should stay in the job as she perfectly represents the govt in all its glory.

    • Traveller

       /  September 7, 2018

      Yes. She represents their incompetence and inexperience like a festering sore.

      The PM had to have a “day working from home” yesterday after she came back from her private solo jet trip to Nauru. Never heard the like. Imagine if Key, English or Clark had pulled that one. Working around her breastfeeding/bonding/Clarke minding is ridiculous when what’s needed is frontfooting these ongoing disasters.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 7, 2018

        Her baby, her problem. Expecting us to (a) pay for her to bond with the baby (b) believe that she thought that the plane ride would cost nothing is wearing very thin.

  3. Gezza

     /  September 7, 2018

    Starting to wonder if the Trump Administration is Ardern’s working model …

  4. Blazer

     /  September 7, 2018

    ‘ so much so that she took leave from Parliament yesterday rather than face more questions.’

    That is not necessarily the reason…you are…guessing

    • High Flying Duck

       /  September 7, 2018

      Yeah, took leave and then the Government wouldn’t allow questions to be held over.

      ********
      “A spokesman for the Prime Minister said had sought personal leave on Wednesday night and was granted it on Thursday morning.

      “This game of hide and seek from the Coalition Government – not for the first time either – would be humorous if it wasn’t for the fact these Ministers simply aren’t fronting up to answer questions,” Lee said.

      New Zealanders deserve to know what conversations she has been having on a private Gmail account away from the gaze of her ministerial staff but instead they’re getting arrogant obfuscation.””
      ***********

      If you think it is not related, I have a lovely bridge to sell you.

      • Blazer

         /  September 7, 2018

        I doubt whether anyone would want Bridges…for…free!

  5. robertguyton

     /  September 7, 2018

    Pete. Men always sometimes often miss important clues to women’s behaviour and later regret their actions.

  6. David

     /  September 7, 2018

    I hope she returns all refreshed and raring to go on Tuesday, she is a top talent in this government.
    I hope the other minister is allowed another week off so we dont have to have our elected representatives being held accountable to our parliament for allegedly assaulting their staff. Pleased to hear Ardern is having a long weekend too.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  September 7, 2018

      Ardern has confirmed Curran is safe in her job. She obviously doesn’t really enjoy being Prime Minister:

      Broadcasting Minister Clare Curran is not in danger of being fired, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says.

      Ardern, speaking to Newstalk ZB’s Chris Lynch this morning, said she had not considered firing Curran over a series of stumbles in recent times.

      “No, because I think she’s paid her price. I have huge expectations of my ministers and those in the ministry but I also accept from time to time they will also have bad days.

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12120950

      • Blazer

         /  September 7, 2018

        look how many ‘bad hair’ days Joyce had and retained his portfolios.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 7, 2018

          Never to this extent.

          I wonder if she is ill – physically ill. She sounded as if she’d had a stroke and had a form of aphasia.

          i knew a man in the UK who had a condition that meant that sometimes he would stop making sense. He was a very intelligent man, and obviously hated it when he knew it was happening; it was painful to witness.

          • robertguyton

             /  September 7, 2018

            Thank you, Kitty. There are at least two commenters here with the clarity of thought needed to grasp the implications of what has happened.

  7. Patzcuaro

     /  September 7, 2018

    Open plan office space.

  8. Trevors_elbow

     /  September 7, 2018

    Damn…. resigned… pity….

    • Blazer

       /  September 7, 2018

      can’t..win.

      • Trevors_elbow

         /  September 8, 2018

        Sorry you feel that way about your life Bol but it explains much about your postings…

    • High Flying Duck

       /  September 7, 2018

      Strangest part is that Jacinda accepted her resignation last night and then told media this morning her job was safe.
      Bizarre.

    • Gezza

       /  September 7, 2018

      One down, badly wounded, skin too thin, over and out.
      Twyford & Clark still blundering on, taking bullets – but much thicker hides & headshots do no damage.

  9. High Flying Duck

     /  September 7, 2018

  10. High Flying Duck

     /  September 7, 2018

    • High Flying Duck

       /  September 7, 2018

      From No Right Turn:

      The bad news is that Curran’s obligations under the OIA ended the moment she resigned, and all of the government emails in her private Gmail account are no longer “held” and can therefore not be requested. Which insofar as they are government information, is outrageous, a theft from the public. It exposes a hole in our transparency regime which needs to be plugged.

  11. Makes her detractors seem… pinched .

    • High Flying Duck

       /  September 7, 2018

      Resigning to avoid public scrutiny of the Government business she undertook on her personal email makes her detractors seem pinched?

    • PDB

       /  September 7, 2018

      Just leads to the next story Robert over how truthful (or not) the PM was this morning in her interview…not to mention Curran had to resign rather than be fired as she should have been once again highlighting Ardern’s lack of leadership & backbone.

      Must be time to wheel the baby out again…

      • PDB

         /  September 7, 2018

        NZ Herald: “Jacinda Ardern insisted in an interview today that Clare Curran’s job as a minister was safe – despite the Prime Minister accepting the errant MP’s resignation the night before.”

        You couldn’t make this stuff up – amateur hour everyday with this govt.

        • Gezza

           /  September 7, 2018

          Queried about that, Jacinda says she was asked whether she had asked Ms Curran to resign, and the answer was correcftly NO.

          • Gezza

             /  September 7, 2018

            *correctly

            Gotta hand it to Cover Girl. She can duck and dive and mislead like a pro.

          • robertguyton

             /  September 7, 2018

            Jacinda was telling the truth – I know, foreign concept to some, but there ya go. Was Clare’s job safe, in terms of being fired? Yes. Did Jacinda “cut ties” – no. Accepting, PDB, is not “cutting” – you “hungry for a scalp” Righties are blinded by your own…desires.

            • PDB

               /  September 7, 2018

              Spinning like a top again Robert – she was asked about firing her AFTER being asked if her job was safe, not in the same question as you have made out. ‘Cutting ties’ with your minister doesn’t happen when you accept your minister’s resignation? Righto! Ardern also said Curran had already “paid her price” when recently demoted so why then had she already accepted her resignation?

            • robertguyton

               /  September 7, 2018

              Because, PDB, by the time of the interview, Curran had “paid the price”. I feel you are all awash with confusion because Jacinda is outwitting you at every turn, preempting your attacks and making dullards of those who wish to catch her out. She’s nimble, the PDB’s of the world are…pedestrian. Jacinda didn’t cut a tie, because the minister had already loosed the bond that ties. Sigh. Please put a little more effort into your attacks, PDB: they’re … wanting…

            • PDB

               /  September 7, 2018

              If she had any brains like you make out she would have announced first thing this morning that Curran had resigned – job done. Instead she has made the Curran story about herself getting caught out fibbing to the public.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 7, 2018

              The story Jacinda has “made” is that she is sensitive to the hurt that can be caused by acting like a “top dog” leader and has done all she can to show some grace toward her hurting minister. You can’t “hear” that message, PDB, ’cause you’re an authoritarian and loved the way Key dealt to his errant ministers. Or not.

            • David

               /  September 7, 2018

              When you have years of non existent climate change to explain one becomes quite comfortable with spin and bollocks so dont expect Robert to be upset about Arderns deliberate untruths.

  12. Alan Wilkinson

     /  September 7, 2018

    Sad to see Ministers so far out of their depth. Winston has a lot to answer for.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 7, 2018

      … So do the “Girls can do anything” brigade. Some can’t and shouldn’t be exposed beyond their capacity on the altar of gender equality.

      • robertguyton

         /  September 7, 2018

        There’s a brigade? They are titled, “Girls can do anything”?
        “Girls”???
        Alan. Perhaps you should pause…and consider…

    • PDB

       /  September 7, 2018

      No doubt Winston approved of Curran’s methods but not the execution…

    • robertguyton

       /  September 7, 2018

      Sad to see someone succumb to stress, yes.

      • Gezza

         /  September 7, 2018

        Yes. Best she goes. Her own incompetence or arrogance or both caused the stress..

      • PDB

         /  September 7, 2018

        Stressed and seemingly mentally unstable & fragile………in other unrelated news Simon Bridges is currently looking for a mentally unstable & fragile leaker of his travel details.

        • Blazer

           /  September 7, 2018

          save you the trouble…Bridges inquiry will reveal that he is satisfied it was definately not a member of National caucus.
          The report will not be made public.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  September 7, 2018

          Yes, one with a motive to attack National and who Mallard and Ardern don’t want to investigate, the police don’t want to expose, but who knows Mallard snd Bridges phone numbers and has access to MP expense info and gossip about National caucus meetings. Eho could that be?

      • Trevors_elbow

         /  September 8, 2018

        Leakers leak, Robert and the pressure grows and they get desperate…is Curran the source of the Bridges non event expenses hit job… did she do it to point people away from this?

        “It’s said that the publicity surrounding Curran’s $1000 limo ride from Brisbane airport to the Gold Coast and back – revealed with the release of ministerial expenses – helped drive home to her that she had become not just a distraction, but a liability.”

        Curran has displayed the worst traits of a politician… not being able to manage their image and keep hidden what they need hidden… basic incompetence…

  13. Corky

     /  September 7, 2018

    Another notch on Nationals belt. Meka will probably tender her resignation if she gets a sneak preview of a possible damning incident report.

    Next targets for National are Davis and Lionheart Of The Provinces; Jonsey. Davis for his incompetence. Jonsey for any whiff of nepotism. Both are ripe for the picking.

    Good work National. Transfer the same resolve to appointing a new leader.

  14. PDB

     /  September 7, 2018

    Who knows why Ardern & Curran didn’t announce the resignation first thing this morning – inept.

    • Corky

       /  September 7, 2018

      Failure breeds failure. If the next political poll shows Labour steady, National has a big problem.

      • PDB

         /  September 7, 2018

        Labour and the Greens pretty much swap votes from one another so the left ‘block’ will barely change if Labour goes down as the Greens will likely go up. Either National have to take votes from NZL First or another centralist party (open to coalition with National) needs to be created that has the ability to take some of the left-block votes.

    • PDB

       /  September 7, 2018

      It seems the PM’s spin team have been sending out misleading media statements over the Ardern interview by deliberately leaving out the “cutting ties” part of the question “Are you considering cutting ties with her, though, firing her?”.

      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/09/ardern_caught_out_in_blatant_lie.html#comments

      • PDB

         /  September 7, 2018

      • robertguyton

         /  September 7, 2018

        “Possible scenario/timeline:

        1. – Curran contacted the PM last night saying she was going to resign; PM said think it over again overnight and let me know tomorrow.

        2- PM tells Newstalk that she will not be firing Curran.

        3 – Later morning, Curran confirms her resignation from her Ministerial portfolios to the PM and PM accepts that resignation.

        Result: Curran now out as a Minister but remains as an electorate MP thereby not triggering a by-election at a cost of $1M +. She also seems to be reasonably popular with her electorate.

        IMO, as SPC said, a considered and humane handling of a difficult situation for all concerned by the PM, showing compassion and understanding for someone obviously under considerable pressure and stress over recent times – and also possibly out of her depth.

        AND also what ffloyd and Dennis Frank say below.”

        • PDB

           /  September 7, 2018

          Guyton; “1. – Curran contacted the PM last night saying she was going to resign; PM said think it over again overnight and let me know tomorrow.”

          Failed at the first hurdle Robert as Ardern confirmed she accepted her resignation LAST NIGHT. That isn’t up for debate.

    • robertguyton

       /  September 7, 2018

      “So when Todd Barclay was exposed to the Deputy PM as having committed a criminal offence ( listed in crimes Act) he should have resigned from Parliament. ?

      Same goes for Brownlee when he committed a serious and intentional breach of airport security.

      Same goes for Nick Smith when 2 High Court judges found he had done a serious contempt of court by witness tampering

      As we know none resigned . Indeed National Mps launched a personal attack on the Solicitor General at the time for referring Smiths actions to the Court.
      Barclay of course went on to get re-selected for his electorate and only dissapeared from Parliament for the last months of his term- I think working from home was the term used. LOL.”

      • Gezza

         /  September 7, 2018

        Whataboutery doesn’t cut it here any more, robert. There was too much of it & people got fed up with it.

        • robertguyton

           /  September 7, 2018

          It’s always relevant, Gezza – face it; these “examples” – Todd Barclay, Richard Worth, Murray McCully, Key, were in Government during the term just passed, not some far-away time, lost in the mists… Is there some kind of convention that says; once in Opposition, all bets are off? No. Those awful characters were performing their dark deeps in our (shared) recent past – recent , that is, not long ago at all, almost like…yesterday. It would suit the critics of this iteration of Government to cast their ill-behaved heroes into the “forgotten” bin, but they are still players, still owing, still plying their grubby trades; has Slater left the room? Is Hooton born-again? Nah! Those shadowy figures are still lurking; Key still key-notes at Natty conferences, doesn’t he? You reckon he’s changed his tune? Nope. Same game, same players, same plan.

          • Gezza

             /  September 7, 2018

            All of them ended up getting slammed for their misdeeds and missstatements, as did Fraulein Clark. If they had the hide to carry on with their bosses backing, or they were the boss, they did so. Some have got punted out of the stadium.

            Curran gets no special dispensation. She’s certainly far from being as pure as the driven snow and has cost other people their jobs.

            She’s a liability and is not up to the job. I don’t to see her harm herself & I really do think that looked on the cards. It was a wise decision, mishandled by her boss.

            • Gezza

               /  September 7, 2018

              *don’t want

            • robertguyton

               /  September 7, 2018

              “All of them ended up getting slammed for their misdeeds and missstatements (sic)…”
              and all did the honourable thing and resigned… hang on!!

            • Gezza

               /  September 7, 2018

              I don’t believe that’s why she did it. It wasn’t to do with honour.

  15. robertguyton

     /  September 7, 2018

    ““So when Todd Barclay was exposed to the Deputy PM as having committed a criminal offence ( listed in crimes Act) he should have resigned from Parliament. ?”
    So, just this one example then, Gezza. How do the two scenarios compare and what do they tell you about theGovernments involved?

    • Gezza

       /  September 7, 2018

      History.

      • robertguyton

         /  September 7, 2018

        Recent and live; was yesterday’s activity “history”; news from 10 minutes ago? If the players are still in the game, or if their issue is unresolved, unexplained or has been swept under the carpet, there’s is a live issue. If any of them want to shake it off, come clean and shed a shift. Likely as not they’ll be forgiven.

      • robertguyton

         /  September 7, 2018

        $100 000 from the Prime Minister Special Fund (taxpayers money, yes) to close that cupboard door. No worries, Gezza?

        • Gezza

           /  September 7, 2018

          Neither here nor there with regard to the current situation robert.
          I’m not politically tribal like you or most other posters here.
          I give my own opinion on matters & don’t get distracted by whatabouteries because of a need to defend my tribe.

          • robertguyton

             /  September 7, 2018

            Ya reckon Labour, Ardern, Curran et al, and NZ1st, Winston and Jones, are my tribe , Gezza?
            Sheesh!

    • Trevors_elbow

       /  September 8, 2018

      No Robert. Never charged…accused if a criminal act but not proven.

      Be careful what you say as fact…

  16. robertguyton

     /  September 7, 2018

    “Clearly every answer that Jacinda gave was correct. She was not considering firing Curran and Curran jumped rather than was pushed. In both tone and context her answers were correct.

    Perhaps she could have volunteered the information that Curran had tendered her resignation but allowing Curran the ability to announce it herself is the sort of thing a compassionate leader would do.

    DPF thinks that there is some sort of conspiracy happening because the leader’s office sent him a transcript without the word “cutting ties with her”. What nonsense. Curran remains a member of the caucus. Of course Ardern is not cutting ties with Curran.

    This will not stop the usual suspects from asserting otherwise, loudly.”

    Nice. From TS. Considerably less frothy that yournz.

    • PDB

       /  September 7, 2018

      “DPF thinks that there is some sort of conspiracy happening because the leader’s office sent him a transcript without the word “cutting ties with her””

      Considering removing those words changes Ardern’s statement from a lie to a truth I can’t for the life of me wonder why DPF thinks that?

      • Blazer

         /  September 7, 2018

        audio is available.

        • PDB

           /  September 7, 2018

          Which makes it even more stupid of Ardern’s PR team to leave out crucial text in their version sent to media. They need to up their game.

      • robertguyton

         /  September 7, 2018

        Because he’s a tribal Nat, works for them, pimps for them…is that enough, PBD, for you to see why he’d “think there’s some sort of conspiracy happening…”?

        • PDB

           /  September 7, 2018

          Attacking the messenger doesn’t save Ardern from her lie unfortunately Robert.

          • robertguyton

             /  September 7, 2018

            Jacinda didn’t lie, PDB; you know taht.
            On Barclay compared to Curran…this guy’s got it right…
            “But its an interesting comparison. MP performs an illegal act, i.e. recording his staff member a loyal Nat who worked for Bill E for eons. This transgression gets covered up at the highest level, including using the PM’s slush fund to bail him out. It drags on because of the cover up.

            Because the Nat employee (Glenys??? ) is obvious very, very upset about all of this and actually was only blowing the whistle on a poor performer, (Mr Barclay)………..Nats were put under pressure by this cause they kept lying and changing their story. Still no idea why Bill E sent all those text to Glenys.

            Compare and contrast.

            Curren mucks up with the meeting with Hirshfield. Its made public and she faces a consequence. She mucks up again and she’s lost her port folios and is out of Cabinet. Consequence. Clearly this has been stressful for Curren and embarrassing. Faltering as she did in public, in parliament would for most people be pretty humiliating. She takes personal leave which I suggest on this website is likely stress leave. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to have a very got hunch that she will be suffering (even Judith Collins showed some compassion)………………………………..So she realizes she just can’t continue and resigns. She has done the right thing and I wish her well.

            As for Jacinda “lying” by saying her job was safe this morning when she already knew Curren had resigned. …..Please…..She would have her reasons for waiting to make the announcement in her own good time. Like maybe Ms Curran had people to tell, or Ardern had to update colleagues and make sure others were ok to take Cullens role e.g. Faaifoi. Imagine how it would have looked if she had of told Am in journalist “oh actually Clare is resigned” oh yeah and I think I have got someone for her port folios, just waiting to hear back from Chris about it. Anyway the Am station, doesn’t deserve any breaking news stories from the PM. They were rat bags about trip to Nauru.”

            • PDB

               /  September 7, 2018

              Nice to see you took time for once to add a decent length post to a debate with at least a tiny bit of thought put into it Robert – load of old cobblers of course but the effort is appreciated.

              Have a good weekend.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 7, 2018

              Cheers, PDB and I hope your weekend goes well also. I’m planting 29 apple trees for a little community (Kaitangata) then giving 3 workshops in Balclutha, one on Beginner Gardening, another of Seed Saving and a third on Beneficial Insects. I won’t be able to be online, defending the very lovely coalition MPs, so please go easy on them 🙂 I sincerely hope Simon finds that Nat leaker before the weekend’s over, ’cause having that to talk about on Monday, rather than Clare Curran, would be a hoot!

            • PDB

               /  September 7, 2018

              Unfortunately gardening is a dying art Robert, especially with the youth coming through – keep up the good fight.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  September 7, 2018

              Explaining is losing, Robert.

              Saint Jacinda fibbed. The World noticed. The End.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 7, 2018

              Yes, Alan, explanations are wasted on the ignorant who will of course wail, “You lose, loser!” whenever an explanation is offered. I’m surprised you buy that cr*p. Don’t bother explaining your position though, ‘coz ya know…

            • Ray

               /  September 7, 2018

              Look Robert there is no way I am going to go over to check through the “Standard” back pages when you were suffering from JohnKey Syndrome and find you were joining in one of their JK lies bs.
              They were mostly built on misspoke, mistakes that make Miss Ardern’s latest effort look like the efforts of a proven perjurer.

        • Trevors_elbow

           /  September 8, 2018

          And you’re a tribal Melon… Green poseur on the outside deep Red commie on the inside…

          You really are a tiresome, thread polluting, ever so slightly unhinged Leftie Robert

  17. Ray

     /  September 7, 2018

    Well I feel sorry for Claire Curran but let’s not forget there is quite a few people who lost jobs as she scrambled up the Labour pyramid, not least Carrol Hirschfeld who may have a secret smile at the moment! Then there was Madeline Setchell, and a few others.

    • robertguyton

       /  September 7, 2018

      I met Carol Hirschfeld, in Riverton, of all places. She’s tall and appealing. John Campbell was here too, and I teased him about an issue. He’s not tall like Carol.

      • Blazer

         /  September 7, 2018

        was Findlay there too?

        • robertguyton

           /  September 7, 2018

          Chris? No, but I met him at the marae on the Otago Peninsula at last-year’s Waiting Day celebrations.

      • Ray

         /  September 7, 2018

        Personally I think Carol Hirschfeld deserved a damehood for putting up with John Campbell’s blather over the years, it’s like he gets a bonus ever time he makes someone cry.

    • Blazer

       /  September 7, 2018

      hope Handley is another one..

  18. Zedd

     /  September 7, 2018

    onya Clare.. we still welcome our local MP in SthD.. ‘we are people too’

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 7, 2018

      Fair enough, Z. She might be looking for a new career though.

  19. Patzcuaro

     /  September 8, 2018
  20. Gerrit

     /  September 8, 2018

    Wonder if this is the first time ever for Ardern to face the realities of leadership where, with the best intentions you place someone you know well, to a position above the level of competence they have.

    Curran was promoted way above her level of competence and as such reflects badly on Ardern judgement in how competent Curran was to carry out the ministers responsibility in the first place.

    I guess being an “employer” is a newbie for Ardern. That is a problem for a manager that has come up through the university system, straight into politics without real world experience in having to judge peoples capabilities.

    In the real world you have to judge people and rely on your judgement to make correct calls on how competent people (especially your friends), are for carrying out the duties you want them to carry out.

    Still with a talent pool pretty shallow in the CoL, there may have been more hope rather than conviction on the part of Ardern.

    This lack of conviction and inaction shown by Ardern in handling wayward ministers displays her level of competence in leadership.

    Real world colliding with naive and closeted idealism.

    • Blazer

       /  September 8, 2018

      plenty of M.P’s placed above their competence level.
      You find them in every Govt…Currans problem is protocol.

      National have a talent pool in Parliament about as deep as a petrie dish,and the substance of what you generally find in…one.