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11 September 2018

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  1. lurcher1948

     /  September 11, 2018

    David Seymour and ACT trying to make hay out of the poor Bali women’s death,not a good look Seymour

  2. Missy

     /  September 11, 2018

    Okay YourNZers I am after some assistance that I may or may not use.

    This year, the final year of the WWI centenary commemorations, the theme is Thank You. It is about thanking those who served, and those who were at home, but also thanking those that travelled 1000’s of miles from all parts of the Commonwealth to fight alongside Britain in WWI. As part of this many communities are holding a lot of events and services, and I will be involved in one where they want people from the Commonwealth to participate. One of the things they are wanting is a reading from each country – or related to each country – about WWI, it can be anything a poem, a news report, an official account, the story of a soldier, etc. So, what I am asking is, does anyone here have suggestions of some interesting readings about NZ in WWI that I could consider.

    I have a few (not going to say what) but am interested if there are some around that I don’t know about that may be quite good. I personally like things that are a little unusual, not well known, and are moving.

    Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions.

    • Gezza

       /  September 11, 2018

      No, I’m afraid not from. It’s another war that never threatened us and we should have had nothing to do with, but we were British then.

    • NOEL

       /  September 11, 2018

      WW1 was so far back in history that it kinda merged with WW2 in the memory of my youth.
      Wasn’t until I moved into a small rural settlement and saw two plaques on the Memorial Hall built by returned servicemen from WW2.
      On the First World War plaque some 50 names all with crosses. On the World War 2 around the same number of names but half the number of crosses.
      Later when assisting with a history of the area and sighting the maps of the various farms that made up the settlement in the early 1900’s and adding in the influenza epidemic one was starkly reminded of why for a decade the area stagnated.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 11, 2018

      “We Will Not Cease” by Archibold Baxter for a non-conformist view.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 11, 2018

        It’s really good that the schoolchildren are right into it now and have been for some years.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 11, 2018

          How likely is it that a contribution will be used ? I don’t want to waste time looking when I don’t know what you want.

          • Missy

             /  September 13, 2018

            Kitty, you don’t have to look, I thought some on here may already know of something outside of the ones that we hear every day, and doesn’t relate to Gallipoli, that I could look at and make a decision. It would be great to have something that resonates with the end of the war, but if you don’t know anything off the top of your head I certainly don’t expect you to look for it.

            A reading will definitely be given, the chances of one provided by someone from YourNZ is about 50/50 with the ones I have.

      • Missy

         /  September 13, 2018

        Thanks for that Alan, it is a good one, but not quite appropriate for the occasion that I require it for. However, as I have never read it I have added it to my winter reading list! 🙂

  3. David

     /  September 11, 2018

    It appears we may are being softened up for abandoning again Labours capital gains tax that was Arderns “captains call” during the election that she had to rapidly reverse given she couldnt answer detailed questions on anything in the campaign and the media found it inconvenient for their narrative to have to ask such questions during Jacindamania.
    Well it turns out that we can now return to the truth. A CGT hasnt stopped rapidly rising house prices anywhere else on earth, a CGT raises very little revenue and they are horribly complex to administer, implementing a CGT at a time when asset prices have peaked wont raise you any revenue for years but capital losses could occur costing the crown, a CGT has to be applied to all assets otherwise you get massive slippage and avoidance.
    Lets see the very costly TWG report back with pretty much nothing that couldnt have been put together by a couple of mid level Treasury wonks but at a cost of millions at least it got Ardern out of a jam of her own making.

    • Corky

       /  September 11, 2018

      Always remember, David…like rust, a socialist never sleeps ( in some cases literally). All Labour will do is come back at a later date and revisit this issue. Don’t forget Labour has to show its rabble of supporters the Fillfy Witch are being punished for being… well, fillfy witch.

    • Blazer

       /  September 11, 2018

      raspberry jam I hope David.

  4. Corky

     /  September 11, 2018

    Mikey is on fire this morning. Big hits going into Labour. From a redacted transcript David Farrar asked for regarding Clare Currans sacking, to Titewhai and her thuggish son – if he’s the one who attacked actors during a re enactment of a settlers landing – sitting around the table of a new apartheid government ministry. The wealth of dysfunction this Labour government has is staggering.

    • lurcher1948

       /  September 11, 2018

      Corys is on fire this morning,

      • Corky

         /  September 11, 2018

        Take two…?

        • Gezza

           /  September 11, 2018

          That’s gotta get past Winston First yet. That will be interesting. It’s the exact opposite of what his policy possibly still is this week.

          • Corky

             /  September 11, 2018

            Let’s hope so. Re the transcript. The PM laughed it off with Mikey.

    • lurcher1948

       /  September 11, 2018

      Wow the rightwing news empire NZME bought all the big guns today to attack our fresh PM Jacinda Adern,David Farrar,Mike Hosking were bought in to wind up the altright audience,ie the blind leading the blind. Their favourite theme is Key and Clarke were tough, Nah Clarke bawled and Key ran away and of course,English is never mentioned,as he lost the election.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 11, 2018

        Is some adult really called Mikey ? Does he really refer to himself as that ?

  5. lurcher1948

     /  September 11, 2018

    Well i never,David Seymour and ACT trying to make hay out of the poor Bali women’s death.Not a good look Seymour so is its ACTs policy now to bring sick New Zealanders home if they don’t have travel insurance.What will the rightwing Taxpayers union think of this new policy,and use of MY taxes

    • Gezza

       /  September 11, 2018

      I thought it was Corky’s taxes paying for your retirement? Wouldn’t it be his taxes paying for this new policy?

      • lurcher1948

         /  September 11, 2018

        Nah,i have coin and pay taxes,so im interested in how MY taxes are used

        • Gezza

           /  September 11, 2018

          Oh. So YOUR taxes are paying for your retirement. All good, Lurch. 👍

          • lurcher1948

             /  September 11, 2018

            I have shares,investments, and a retirement plan with Westpac plus i get my pension,im happy

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 11, 2018

              You will ruin Cork’s day when he reads that.

            • Corky

               /  September 11, 2018

              On the contrary, he has made my day. A while back he was telling me he lived on super, crackers and butter. Obviously I have help him up his game.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 11, 2018

              It seemed that she didn’t disclose an existing condition but took a gamble as many people would. It was a short holiday, as I remember it.

              But good may come of it if it makes other people aware of it and not take the risk.

              What nasty, vicious people post at Kiwiblog. I have never read such bigoted spite from so many people at once.

            • David

               /  September 11, 2018

              You will be keen for a CGT then Lurcher so they can give you more of your money back that they have taken from you, while clipping the ticket of course.
              How about a CGT on your retirement savings for an extra month of power subsidies or maybe wider use of your bus pass.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 11, 2018

              I hope that we will now be spared the tedious repetitions of the chutney etc.

            • Corky

               /  September 11, 2018

              Chutney mentioned twice. How many times has this blog had to put up with your tedious correction of others grammar and spelling. I have lost count.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  September 11, 2018

    • lurcher1948

       /  September 11, 2018

      Notice the cute Trump type finger circles,must be a NAZI,rightwing hand signal

  7. lurcher1948

     /  September 11, 2018

    So i was waiting for an attack post from National on the Bali death and David Farrar and the altright Kiwiblog never fails to come to the party, Farrar has very low standards basically none and neither does the National party ALWAYS POINT SCORING
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/09/abby_hartley_dies.html

    • lurcher1948

       /  September 11, 2018

      Farrars deployables are in full feral mode outdoing i hatred for labor and our fresh PM Jacinda Adern.Its not for me to suggest it but go and read a few posts to get a glimpse of the ugly nasty rightwing,they truly are childish

      • Corky

         /  September 11, 2018

        You are getting good high off us Righties today, Lurchy. Like I always say, the excitement is always on the Right…never the Left who are too busy being ignorant, bitter, twisted, striking, rorting, demanding, lying and fighting.😄😄😄

        • Griff.

           /  September 11, 2018

          Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.

          • Corky

             /  September 11, 2018

            Very well said, Griff. I’m sure what you said was profound. Let’s hope Lurchy now understands why he posts as he does.

  8. lurcher1948

     /  September 11, 2018

    Soper,Hosking and another hack from NZME all told to abuse the PM, so Soimon Bridges its NEW NATIONAL POLICY,National doesn’t want you to buy travel insurance, Air National will fly you home”,sweet as BRO” thanks National and David Farrar seems to have joined NZME so expect columns in the herald

  9. lurcher1948

     /  September 11, 2018

    The right seem to think Jacinda Ardern is weak and a bully, the ferals cannot make their mind up WEAK or a BULLY

    • Corky

       /  September 11, 2018

      It really doesn’t matter what us Righties think, Lurchy. All we need is a new leader and an election in 2020. We have one but not the other.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 11, 2018

        Why do you want a new election when you won’t bother to vote ?

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 11, 2018

          A person can be both weak and a bully. They need to put other people down in order to make themselves feel good.

        • Corky

           /  September 11, 2018

          Well, obviously so those who want to vote can vote.

  10. lurcher1948

     /  September 11, 2018

    A poster on a nearby rightwing blog is starting to notice
    Jacinda Derangement Syndrome strikes again!! Making political capital out of a person’s untimely death. Classy as always.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  September 11, 2018

      The left, including a union leader and the then PM and government made capital out of Mrs Muliaga’s death when the power was cut off because her stupid husband didn’t pay the bill in time. One of the inlaws (I think) was a union activist, Brendan someone, and he had a field day. The poor woman was worth far more dead than she ever was alive. The family did really well out of it and the political point-scoring was disgusting.

      • Corky

         /  September 11, 2018

        That’s not quite right if I remember correctly. The husband did make contact with the power company, but didn’t understand what was said to him. He didn’t know how to present his case. Plus,the power company operator was cold and remiss with the handling of his case.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 11, 2018

          As I said, stupid husband. He wasn’t unable to understand English, he had always left these things to his wife.

          The powerco person was in a no-win position.

          • Corky

             /  September 11, 2018

            That’s not what you said.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 11, 2018

              I didn’t spell it out, I saw no need. It’s what I said in effect.

              The only person who can have access to a powerco account is the person whose name is on it. Of course the powerco could do nothing. He had always left that sort of thing to his wife. If he had gone and had his name on the account, the powerco would have been able to do something. It is AGAINST THE LAW to allow people access to ANY account that is not in their name.

            • Corky

               /  September 11, 2018

              ”Because her stupid husband didn’t pay the bill in time.”

              ”As I said, stupid husband. He wasn’t unable to understand English, he had always left these things to his wife.”

              The account name is a strawman argument The husband contacted the power company whom I believe had a policy on medical appliances and keeping them going. The issue was around the husband not being assertive enough, and the operator being an ignoramus.

              If my recollection is correct.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  September 11, 2018

      Your recollection is not correct.

      Look up the story.I can’t be bothered saying it all again.

      And if you don’t believe that no powerco will give anyone whose name is not on an account access to that account…try it and see what happens.

      • Corky

         /  September 11, 2018

        ”And if you don’t believe that no powerco will give anyone whose name is not on an account access to that account…try it and see what happens.”

        Don’t obfuscate. It has nothing to do with names on an account.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 11, 2018

          That is not obfuscation, you are being your annoying, nitpicking self who can’t admit that someone else is right and you are wrong. If you believe that powercos let people have access to accounts with other people’s names on them, nothing will change that. If you don’t believe that the powerco did that with the Muliaga account and that they and the papers, the news and the coroner were all wrong and you’re right…go on believing it.

          Now, just go away and troll someone else for a change.

  11. lurcher1948

     /  September 11, 2018

    Gezza could you please upload a transcript of what Simon Bridges said as its almost like listening to Hey Bro english,hes hard to understand…upload Gezza

    • Gezza

       /  September 11, 2018

      Don’t make me larf. Our PM is often virtually unintelligible herself. Sumpthink wrong with her ears I think Lurchy. Comes from the Wycaddo. Maybe anythink goes there when it comes to Inglish dikshin?

      Look if it helps, I started a PM translation list a several months ago, but I got too busy to keep it up – plus here were so many new words I kept hearing from her it started to look too big a job to be part-time.

      You might find there are some overlaps with Soymin’s utterings. I think the only addishins would be for words like moy instead of my. Otherwise they both seem to have much the same dialect – Crapinglish:

      – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

      UNDERSTANDING YAW PRY MINISDA

      Anythink – anything

      Opportunidy – opportunity

      Pryorridees – priorities

      Povidy – poverty

      Qualidy – quality

      Risponsibilidy – responsibility

      Suppording – supporting

      Sumpthink- something

      Warder – water

      Wycaddo – Waikato

      • Blazer

         /  September 13, 2018

        all done in the best possible nasal kiwi tang….try listening to the AB coach…!

        • Gezza

           /  September 13, 2018

          Who listens to any AB’s coach & expects anything other than mumbled short. simple, phrases consisting of the oft-repeated, stock-standard, staccato rugby slogan delivered in slow motion BazzaCrump dialect?

  12. lurcher1948

     /  September 11, 2018

    Winston is on fire,to some national party member to whom he didnt call the precious MP”Dr”
    Winston said some doctors make you well and some make you sick, hell the national party has to try harder, and big Gerry is now upset,who cares Gerry

  13. David

     /  September 11, 2018

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/106980622/chris-hipkins-mum-on-whether-derek-handley-was-offered-top-tech-job

    Oops looks like Curran had to throw herself under the bus because there are more dirty backroom deals she has done. You would think after the Hirschfield debacle she might have learned there is a process for a reason.
    Wonder how long it will take for NZs self proclaimed most transparent government will take to release her Gmails, you can guarantee it will be on a Friday afternoon alongside probably the interim report of the TWG or the invasion of the Cook Islands.

    • David

       /  September 11, 2018

      Oh deary me. If the comedians of NZ cant get some mileage out of the Minister for Open Government they should look for alternative work.

      “Asked if she had released all of her emails with Handley on Tuesday, Curran said “there may be some more”.

      “They are the full chain of emails that related to the meeting I had with him in February,” Curran said. “There may be some more.”

  14. Joe Bloggs

     /  September 11, 2018

    • Corky

       /  September 11, 2018

      It’s all about perceptions, Bloggs. And Obama ain’t in the picture.

      http://pos.org/trumping-president-obama-who-gets-credit-for-the-economy/

    • David

       /  September 11, 2018

      Business confidence and business investment turned up after Trump was elected and growth has accelerated.
      Trump has overseen a blue collar job upturn and even the Washington Post has acknowledged this, grudgingly. All those jobs Obama said were never coming back have.

      • Gezza

         /  September 11, 2018

        More time needs to be spent waiting to see how many jobs get lost because of his tarriffs on components and produce & then compare the two sets of stats.

  15. Corky

     /  September 11, 2018

    Just watched One News tonight. What a fucking embarrassment. Made worse by Hillary Barry pronouncing the word Hah-ngeee as Hang-ee. That after the presenters had done such an excellent job spouting Maori to a non receptive audience. Kino pai, ngahine.