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12 September 2018

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46 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  September 12, 2018

    Mikey and Kate asked this question this morning: Is Winston running the government? Good question especially when Labour will want to pass legislation to appease their supporters. It’d be delicious to see a coalition bust up around election time.

  2. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  September 12, 2018

    So What happens when all the Treaty of Waitangi settlements are completed?

    Looks like this proposed Crown-Maori Partnership Office will start looking for more cash and new grievances…
    From Q4 in the House yesterday:

    Hon Christopher Finlayson: Could he please explain what is meant by the statement that was made yesterday, in relation to the office, that one of his and the new agency’s roles will be to “Develop engagement, co-design and partnership principles that ensure agencies generate the best solutions;”?

    Hon ANDREW LITTLE: That member will be well aware that his former role and my current role will shortly run out of work to do, because we will have, by and large, completed the Treaty settlement process. But, as Sir Robin Cooke said in 1987, the Treaty is alive, it is a relationship, and we have to think about what that relationship looks like and how it is conducted in the years ahead. That is what that set of words he referred to describes about the future for Aotearoa.

    • Corky

       /  September 12, 2018

      So few people don’t get the gravy train will never stop. Modern grievances will always need to be addressed…until someone has the guts to say ”NO MORE.”

      It’s a little like the movie Snowpiercer. We are heathens in the back carriages. Maori live in e lst class accommodation up front.

    • Gezza

       /  September 12, 2018

      I am waiting to see what Winston First says & does in relation to this.

      He will be working out how to tackle it. To agree with the proposal will alienate the Maori-bashing -we-are-all-the-same-no separatism-Maori-are-no-different-from-anyone-else-look-at-me segment of his voting base.

      But typically, he is at the same time, encouraging Shane to go around handing out PGF largesse to Maori and/or whanau connected enterprise proposals, saying one thing and doing another, to appeal to some of the voting segment he is slagging off.

      I don’t want to even try and predict what he will decide, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if whatever he finally says is confusing and ambiguous.

    • lurcher1948

       /  September 12, 2018

      It will give you something else to bring up on Kiwiblog to wind the ferals up.

    • PartisanZ

       /  September 12, 2018

      Andrew Little, it must be said, is right at the cutting edge of Treaty Settlements and race relations in Aotearoa New Zealand and doing a damn fine job there …

      He’s the right man for the job right now. His answer to Finlayson’s Q4 is nothing short of superb.

      There will be a great deal to work through post-grievance, such as the place of Te Tiriti o Waitangi in a codified Constitution [and the type of government that document ‘constitutes’] and, when WAI 262 is settled, questions about where ‘resources’ sit, including cultural resources, who owns them and/or the “co-design” of their usage …

      Appropriate appropriation.

      The word “partnership” is being phased out in favour of “relationship”. Aotearoa NZ shall forever be governed by a Treaty relationship …

  3. lurcher1948

     /  September 12, 2018

    Breakfast tv is a bit hard to take today,on ONE you have a white guy ranting in maori every time he opens his mouth and on AM you have a brown guy trying to outdo Hosking by overtalking everyone he interviews and being to the right of the rightwing Hosking

    • Corky

       /  September 12, 2018

      You certainly do it hard, Lurchy. Keep your magnesium levels up. I wont be watching One News tonight. The thought of every second item interspersed with Maori will send my BP sky high. Geez, four more days before bliss returns.

  4. lurcher1948

     /  September 12, 2018

    Poor Duncan Garner and Mark bad mouthing my beloved city WELLINGTON, well Duncan and Mark the rat race called Auckland are like the warriors, never cutting the mustard and never making the…grade

  5. Gezza

     /  September 12, 2018

    YNZ POSTER SURVEY

    In your opinion, how would Jacinda pronounce Aotearoa?

    Ow-tear-roar – uptick

    Ay-oh-tee-a-roe-a – downtick

  6. NOEL

     /  September 12, 2018

    Ow-tee-ah-ro-ah.

  7. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  September 12, 2018

    All vowels to be sounded separately..
    ah-or-tee-ah-ror-ah

    • Maggy Wassilieff

       /  September 12, 2018

      woops…
      ah-or-te-ah-ror-ah

      • Gezza

         /  September 12, 2018

        No I’m asking how JACINDA would pronounce it.
        If it’s properly phoenetically pronounced in Maori it sounds more like:

        Ow-tear-roar, or when done more slowly, aa-oo* taya-rraw-a
        *as in book

      • Gezza

         /  September 12, 2018

        Most fluent Maori I hear run double vowels together.

        E.g. Many people hear “ow”, but I can detect the “a-u” distinct two sounds, said quickly, paired.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 12, 2018

          ‘ou’ as in ‘ouch’, not ‘ow’ as in ‘how’.?

  8. Corky

     /  September 12, 2018

    Memory Lane With Corky.

    Came across the first cell phone I ever owned this morning. It’s an orange Alcatel, circa 1998. It has a small rectangular screen and is very solid. It was the last ‘brick type’ phone. I managed to get a little big noting in before I woke up one day and everyone owned a cell phone. Ah, the good old days.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  September 12, 2018

      That sounds more like an 80s phone than a 90s one. The brick phones were long gone by 1998, and cellphones were no novelty by then. By 1998 they were like the Nokia ones that have made a comeback recently, and had a little aerial at the side. No point in showing off by that time; even I had one, and it was a small one, not a brick…bricks were well and truly out by then.

      • Corky

         /  September 12, 2018

        Yeah, no

        • Corky

           /  September 12, 2018
          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 12, 2018

            Alcatel were not in existence in 1998*, they never made ‘brick’ style phones which were gone long before 1998, phones were not coloured orange at that time…apart from those small details. the orange Alacatel brick could be a real phone…

            *they began in 2005, by which time phones had been small for a long time.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 12, 2018

              No. I have better things to do than keep reading the same thing. If you can’t or won’t see that the name Alcatel was licensed in 2005 and that phones were not the old 80s bricks long before the end of the 90s, so be it. I know that they weren’t, you think that they were in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. You obviously think that you know more than the people who were making the phones in the past and those who have documented the history of cellphones.

            • Corky

               /  September 12, 2018

              If you had looked at the picture instead of trolling you may have seen the phone is called an Alcatel. Put your glasses on and look. It would seem its official name was ( Alcatel OneTouch). But I have the phone, and you don’t. And its an Alcatel.( 1997), as per picture..as
              per my comment.

              Stop commenting on things you know nothing about and have no interest
              in.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 12, 2018

              Drop it, it’s boring and you must know that I am right. I am not going to be bulldozed into lying about your being right when I know that you’re not. Just go away.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 12, 2018

              Stop calling me a troll because I know more than you about these things. It’s childish and pointless. If your ego can’t stand being corrected, check your facts before you post and don’t talk nonsense.

              Being right does not make someone a troll, Being gratuitously offensive does.

              Now go away and pester someone else.

  9. Corky

     /  September 12, 2018

    Well, who would have guessed? I did without one figure or stat in front of me.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/09/immigration-costs-more-than-it-benefits-swiss-study/

  10. Gezza

     /  September 12, 2018

    Watching Question Time.
    He had a series of Questions he should have scored good hits on but he lacks the intellect to do it. National has to get rid of him. He thinks he’s shining but he’s an obvious dullard and a fool.

    • Gezza

       /  September 12, 2018

      Soz. I’ve got a headache.

      That was in relation to Question 2 – Bridges to Ardern.

      What a disaster. Our PM is dim, thinks and talks in touchy feely or repeated robertson-fed slogans, & can’t speak English propily.

      And it’s exactly the same with the leader of the Opposition, except he doesn’t have any slogans, just plods on repeating himself. Christ.

      How the hell did we come to this?

      • Corky

         /  September 12, 2018

        Edjakayshon Sistim eye wreckon.

      • lurcher1948

         /  September 12, 2018

        Get over your self Gezza Bill English could still be running the losers

        • Gezza

           /  September 12, 2018

          Don’t be daft Lurchy. Bill English is in another party altogether. He was National – remember? Have you been drinking? o_O

  11. Zedd

     /  September 12, 2018

    Q-time looking more like ‘Natl has so little to ask about.. they just repeat inane nonsense over & over.. expecting to dig up a tiny bit more dirt’.. thinking that it will perhaps collapse the Govt. before end of the week ?

    but…. they still sound; in denial ?
    Get over it Natl.. Pull your heads out & face up to it.. like Adults, not a mob of sore losers in the schoolyard, You are actually in opposition 😀

  12. lurcher1948

     /  September 12, 2018

    As everyone knows Sir Key cut and ran, the National leader ran when he saw what was coming as it could damage brand KEY. The BBC has just said the average wage in the UK is
    Pound 800 lower due to the global financial crisis and all the righties want the cowardly National party back to run the show, LETS RUN THE COUNTRY MORE LOWER UNDER NATIONAL,

  13. lurcher1948

     /  September 12, 2018

    So Gerry Brownlee is a phone bully,well he is from National you expect it from a party from the past

    • There are two sides to that story.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 12, 2018

        There certainly seem to be.

        The worker must be a delicate wee blossom if she had to go home after a phone call. I find it hard to believe that he didn’t identify himself.

      • lurcher1948

         /  September 12, 2018

        He didn’t look good by saying basically don’t you know who i am, she had to go home due to the call

        • Corky

           /  September 12, 2018

          Did you see her on the news, Lurchy? I perceived her as a snowflake who’d be easily offended. That has to be balanced with the track record of Big Gerry who likes frank and vigorous discussion.

          • Gezza

             /  September 12, 2018

            Some things “piss him off” and he’s inclined to say that. Seen him on video.