Media watch – Thursday

13 September 2018

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    • Gezza

       /  September 13, 2018

      Release the recording.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 13, 2018

        If a lawyer is so distressed after a phone call that she has to go home, she is in the wrong job.

        • Gezza

           /  September 13, 2018

          I want to hear the recording. What I have heard and read about it suggests to me both the lady and the gentleman concerned are spinning like tops. Why Brownlee didn’t identify himself immediately makes me suspicious. I would prefer to make my own judgement after hearing the exchange.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  September 13, 2018

        He won’t have it – the lawyers will. But to hear a lawyer got stressed about robust questioning is hardly something that will make people rush to use their firm.
        I can’t believe they publicised it, even if it was true.
        Gerry was responding to a letter encouraging a class action over steel mesh not meeting standards that it mostly likely doesn’t need to meet. So I can understand why he would be probing about what the cause of action was going to be.
        Hosking put it well though – he said to Gerry this morning:
        “Having interviewed you and spoken to you over a number of years, I think it is quite possible that you thought you were having a perfectly reasonable discussion while the person at the other end was crying their eyes out”.

        • Gezza

           /  September 13, 2018

          The matter will be cleared up by simply releasing the recording. Otherwise it is claim and counterclaim and I give no more credence to one than the other. I’ve head he never said who he was initially, possibly misrepresented why he was calling, and that tweet posted among replies refers to his story changing. I don’t want to read anybody’s surmises or claims. I want to hear the recording preferably, and see a complete transcript as a less-favoured option. That will solve the matter.

          • Gezza

             /  September 13, 2018

            *heaRd he never said

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 13, 2018

              It seems unlikely that he didn’t say who he was.

              Mike Hosking’s statement is just silly. Who could fail to notice that the other person’s bawling like a baby ?

            • Gezza

               /  September 13, 2018

              Speculation Kitty. He says she says. Just release the tape. Speculation gone.

            • Gezza

               /  September 13, 2018

              *showing my age. It won’t be a tape.
              Just release the recording. All sorted.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 13, 2018

              People still say tape…it’s like video and typing.

            • Gezza

               /  September 13, 2018

              Yes – I still sometimes forget and refer to video footage – when “footage” relates to film. An entire generation would have no idea why it’s called footage.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  September 13, 2018

              He was calling about a letter he received from the law firm sent to homeowners in Christchurch touting for a class action over steel mesh used in foundations during the rebuild.
              That is not in dispute.
              The rest is possibly he-said-she said.
              He said he didn’t identify himself until the end, but I’m not sure if that is relevant as he was asking about the letter and their cause of action.
              They also didn’t get back in touch with him – (they have admitted this) and went straight to the media.
              If there was an obvious Labour link I would say there was a hint of squirrelling going on before the Meka enquiry result is released. But I haven’t seen that so I won’t!

            • Gezza

               /  September 13, 2018

              Whatever. Just release the recording. No more speculation needed.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  September 13, 2018

              Kitty – Hosking’s comment was tongue in cheek. He was just saying Gerry is naturally robust in his conversations and some people would not handle it.
              Gerry did apologise “if his questions to a lawyer regarding their case were stressful to answer…”

            • Gezza

               /  September 13, 2018

              I particularly want to hear if he told her it “pisses him off” like he said on tv to someone in an outdoor meeting who was complaining about the pace of the Christchurch rebuild or a Kaikoura earthquake-recovery project (I forget which).

  1. Trevors_elbow

     /  September 13, 2018

    Media campaign continues. All for teaching the real history of the Kand Wars… as long as the Musket Wars, which are pivotal to understanding why many chiefs wanted to sign the Treaty of Waitangi, are also taught in depth and detail.

    Not sure Ngati Toa, Te Atiawa, Ngati Tama and Nga Puhi will be comfortable with that…

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/education/106976446/one-schools-battle-to-remember-the-wars-that-shaped-nz

    • Gezza

       /  September 13, 2018

      The Musket Wars were a series of as many as 3,000 battles and raids fought throughout New Zealand as well as the Chatham Islands among Māori between 1807 and 1845, after Māori first obtained muskets and then engaged in an intertribal arms race in order to gain territory or seek revenge for past defeats. The battles resulted in the loss of between 20,000 and 40,000 lives and the enslavement of tens of thousands of Māori and significantly altered the rohe, or tribal territorial boundaries, before the imposition of colonial government in the 1840s. The wars are seen as an example of the “fatal impact” of indigenous contact with Europeans.
      More … with good links and further suggested reading.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket_Wars

      • Griff.

         /  September 13, 2018

        Funny the New Zealand History.gov sites give may be as many as 20,000.
        The accounts at the time give as much as 50% of the population that would be about 60,000.
        Wiki is probably about right with 20 to 40 thousand .

        When you read the history of the treaty @ gov nz
        https://nzhistory.govt.nz/politics/treaty/treaty-timeline/treaty-events-1800-1849

        1831 Māori petition the British government

        Growing lawlessness among Europeans in New Zealand and fears of a French annexation of the country led 13 northern chiefs to ask King William IV for his protection. Missionary William Yate helped the chiefs draft the letter to the King. The Crown acknowledged the petition and promised protection.

        Growing lawlessness was something the missioners were pushing.
        The “lawlessness” was mostly a bunch of sealers, whalers and loggers letting go after months living far from civilization working under extreme hardships . The only place of any note in thousands of miles was Russel town. The town were most missioners were centered . Of course this hard core R&R resulting in conflict with the partying outdoors men and the god addled in close proximity.

        Meanwhile at the same time a genocide was wiping entire tribes of the map .

        You can not have a discussion about the treaty without including the musket wars
        Our official government sponsored sites often do or down play its true extent and impact to focus on only the actions of the evil colonizing settlers.

        Another misrepresentation often seen is the nasty traders were supplying Maori with guns
        Maori had quickly adapted to seafaring with Maori owned ships trading both coastal and offshore.
        Many of the guns would have been supplied by Maori own shipping efforts rather than from offshore traders bringing them here.

        • Gezza

           /  September 13, 2018

          Few people are so stupid as to really believe the pakeha is responsible for the rampages of the Maori Hapu Iwi wars.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 13, 2018

            I’d change that to ‘some people are so stupid’.

            • Gezza

               /  September 13, 2018

              I can only think of one who regularly posts here.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 13, 2018

              I can imagine that some people would somehow make it seem that the Pakeha did it on purpose. Such a view presupposes that being Maori means being too dim to realise this.

  2. duperez

     /  September 13, 2018

    While out this morning I heard the story:
    “Police officer breaks leg after being struck by patrol car during chase near Tauranga.”

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107045101/police-officer-breaks-leg-after-being-struck-by-patrol-car-during-chase-near-tauranga

    I got home and saw the headlines of another one:
    “Cop almost killed as alleged offender pulls rifle, fires twice at close range.”
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12124444

    i concluded that the idea of a police chase and a cop being hit by a police car was more newsworthy than a cop being shot at.

    • Gezza

       /  September 13, 2018

      Herald article: by “Anna Leask, Police Reporter”
      Stuff article: by no one. Fluff.