Greens trying to attract attention on social, environmental issues

The business end of the Green Party – their ministers – have had a low profile and have been overshadowed by Labour and NZ First. This hasn’t been helped by Julie Anne Genter being on maternity leave, but James Shaw and Eugenie Sage aren’t attention seeker types of MPs anyway. They have largely pout their heads down and got on with their new jobs.

But they are trying to change this, albeit in a very low key way.

Stuff:  Greens look to social issues and rivers in second year of Government

The Green Party is keen to advance social policies in their second year of Government, like a promise to give free mental health services to anyone under 25.

The party put out a release looking ahead to their second year of Government on Saturday morning, despite the anniversary not falling for another month and a half.

Remarkably I went looking for this and can’t find anything other than the Stuff report – I can’t find it on the Green Party website, nor on their Facebook page, nor on the Green or Shaw’s Twitter feeds. What are their PR people playing at?

In it, co-leader James Shaw talks up the party’s priorities for the second year of the Government.

“Our key objectives for our second year in a Government with Labour and New Zealand First will include transforming our social safety net so no child is left in poverty,” Shaw said.

“We’re going to work really hard to address the mental health crisis in New Zealand, working towards accessible mental health services irrespective of where you live or what you earn, with free mental health services for anyone under 25.”

That mental health policy was campaigned on by the Greens and is included in the Confidence and Supply Agreement with the Labour Party – so has a good chance of actually happening.

If NZ First don’t hobble it. Shaw doesn’t sound overly confident here.

But other changes to protect New Zealand’s waterways and introduce a rental warrant of fitness have not been agreed to by the other governing parties.

“No one said this was going to be easy. This Government holds a diversity of views, just like our community does, and everything we work on must be worked through together, as adults,” Shaw said.

It won’t be easy. Not only do Greens need to get Labour into giving their policies some sort of priority, they also have to convince NZ First to back them as well, or National.

“That is the beauty of a diverse Government and a world-leading MMP voting system, the alternative is US-style politics with mega parties that hold all the power, representing the few.”

Lipstick on a pig of a governing arrangement?

The tussles between Labour and Winston Peters are looking ugly enough, and Peters is likely to be even less willing to concede policies and power to Shaw.

As much as Shaw may like to promote a Green wave of progress, he doesn’t seem to be a strong leader and he has a weak political hand to play with.

He isn’t a politician that naturally attracts attention through controversy, and especially after Metiria Turei’s disaster last year he is unlikely to want to risk a stunt approach.

So what else can Shaw do but plug away nicely and quietly? Probably not a lot.

It doesn’t help when the party puts out a release on a Saturday morning, a very slow political news time, and does not make it available on any of the major social media platforms nor their website as far as I can see – and I went looking.

49 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  September 15, 2018

    Shaw, with two mums, is now merely the token neutered male fronting what has become the female party. The party of Green extremist feminist lefties is pitching its appeal to schoolgirls, old hippies, radical feminists, assorted freaks and weirdos, tattered commie remnants and the eco-warriors. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s eventually shoved aside by a gender fluid person who can adopt whatever gender or non-gender is needed for the purpose. That’s the party that will have them.

    • artcroft

       /  September 15, 2018

      Opps, sorry Gezza down ticked you by mistake. Take it as an uptick.

      • Gezza

         /  September 15, 2018

        Refresh the page and then just keep ticking the uptick a few times and waiting, arty. Watch what happens.

    • artcroft

       /  September 15, 2018

      I’m sure you are right. Davison, Genter, Glroitz all look and act confident and secure. Shaw and ‘hey clint’ look like they are walking on eggs shells, like the axe could fall at anytime.

    • phantom snowflake

       /  September 15, 2018

      schoolgirls, old hippies, radical feminists, assorted freaks and weirdos, tattered commie remnants and the eco-warriors.
      That is seriously creepy! Why are you surveilling my household?

      • Gezza

         /  September 15, 2018

        I’m really bloody fond of you, snowy. ❤
        You are so damn switched on sometimes. 😎

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 15, 2018

          You don’t even need to refresh, just keep clicking.

          It doesn’t work on other people’s ticks, alas…

  2. robertguyton

     /  September 15, 2018

    James Shaw said: “so has a good chance of actually happening.”
    Pete George said: “Shaw doesn’t sound overly confident here.”
    Assorted commenters here took that nonsense as a signal to spout more of their own.
    Split The Greens from Labour! Split NZ1st from the Greens, Split Ardern from Robertson, Split James Shaw from the Green women MPs!
    Pathetic! As they say, “Is that all ya got?”

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 15, 2018

      Shaw showed he was pathetic in the Turei debacle. Now everyone notices his patheticness as the Green’s pet male.

      • robertguyton

         /  September 15, 2018

        Pffffffffttt!
        Shaw led The Greens into Government. Pretty ballsy, that.

        • Gezza

           /  September 15, 2018

          He just did as he was told.

        • Shaw did very well in the election campaign. He deserves a lot of credit for playing a big hand in rescuing the Green Party from political disaster.

          But he is playing a very backseat non-leading role in the Government.

          He has big jobs to do as a minister, as well as trying to promote the party, which hasn’t been working well (or at least hasn’t been seen to be working).

          Davidson and Ghahraman have been getting more publicity than the Green ministers, and that has often been negative (outside the green bubble).

          The general public (voters) ignore most politics, and are unlikely to be influenced much if at all by Shaw at the moment. He has a big challenge ahead of him – bigger than a short term single focus election campaign.

          • robertguyton

             /  September 15, 2018

            Pete, do you reckon there’s some “tribal antipathy” from you toward The Greens, given you were a United Future candidate and pal of Peter Dunne who was very unfriendly toward The Greens and spoke poorly of them? The parties were, after all, in competition with each other. UF, of course, failed to make it through the mill and has now disappeared. The Greens are in Government.

            • That’s some lame reckoning. You’re talking about something in tried in 2011. seven years ago. It was apparent after that that UF were fading away and I moved on.

              For a long time I call things as I see them, regarding all parties. I have praised and promoted Green policies and MPs at times, and criticisd them as I see fit.

              Do you reckon there’s some “Green legs good, other legs bad” tribalism on your part Robert? You seem to be very sensitive to any criticism of the Greens, it seems like you are blind to any fair critiques – unless you have a wee task to play interference here.

              Greens need to be very wary of the UF demise – it’s widely believed that small parties in Government risk sliding into political oblivion. Blinkered cheerleading increases that risk.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 15, 2018

              Yeah, I’m tribal alright, Pete, only not The Greens tribal. I like to skewer the ridiculous rantings of people who are knee-jerk anti-Green, just because it pleases me to do so, but, like you, I call things as I see them
              🙂
              I don’t think the Greens will become extinct, as UF did. There’s a different “force” behind them and it’s natural for them to sit at 10% or thereabouts, whatever the details this problem or that success.

            • Greens polled at 6.3% in the election last September, got 11% and 10% in October polls (Roy Morgan) and since then have got:
              7%
              6%
              5%
              6%
              5%
              5.7%
              6%

              On top of that Greens have traditionally struggled to do as well in elections as they do in polls. So they have dropped right off last term’s 10-12% polling levels.

              This suggests their core support is closer to half of what you think. That’s a risky region to poll in, around the threshold.

            • Gezza

               /  September 15, 2018

              I like to skewer the ridiculous rantings of people

              Damn we’re so alike. Only I don’t use crayon.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 15, 2018

              Still with the finger-paint then, Gezza? Crayons are tricky; give it time…

            • robertguyton

               /  September 15, 2018

              The Green support is and will remain around 10%, Imo. At voting time, other factors kick in (Dirty Politics from National, etc.)

            • Gezza

               /  September 15, 2018

              At voting time the other factors that kick in are irritation with something stupid they’ve said or done.

            • PDB

               /  September 15, 2018

              The final green vote in recent general elections is solely dependent on how Labour is tracking considering that left block is roughly 40% strong on average. At least since 2008 the Greens are a 6-7% party of solid support.

              2008 election: Labour: 34%, Greens 6.7%
              2011 election: Labour: 27.5%, Greens 11%
              2014 election: Labour: 25%, Greens 11%
              2017 election: Labour 37%, Greens 6%.

              However I do agree with Robert in the fact that there will always be at least 5% of nutters in this country supporting the Green party.
              A higher % of expats vote Green because they don’t have to live day-to-day with the consequences of their policies.

            • Gezza

               /  September 15, 2018

              A higher % of expats vote Green because they don’t have to live day-to-day with the consequences of their policies

              Idealistic, naive youngsters, mainly girls, with unpaid student loans, on their OE?

            • robertguyton

               /  September 15, 2018

              PDB said:
              “…the fact that there will always be at least 5% of nutters in this country supporting the Green party.”

              So which parties do the remaining 95% 0f “nutters in this country” support?
              Statistically, most will be supporting…National.

            • Gezza

               /  September 15, 2018

              So which parties do the remaining 95% 0f “nutters in this country” support?

              Some of them might refuse to vote.

            • Gezza

               /  September 15, 2018

              Because no Muslim ban. Or whatever.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 15, 2018

              Judith Collins hoovers-up all of the really hard-core ones.

            • Gezza

               /  September 15, 2018

              Irrelevant to any equation if they don’t vote for National.
              Because no Muslim ban.
              Or whatever

            • Gezza

               /  September 15, 2018

              Winston will have most of the dementia patients.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 15, 2018

          pfffffffffffffffffttttt…..the sound of air escaping from a balloon ?

          • Gezza

             /  September 15, 2018

            From an overinflated self-annointed kaumatua & sage.

          • robertguyton

             /  September 15, 2018

            “A higher % of expats vote Green because”…they are not subject to the same intensity of anti-Green dirty politics generated in Nat HQ.

            • Gezza

               /  September 15, 2018

              I really doubt that. Who are they, these expats? Has anyone done a credible analysis? I bet not.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 15, 2018

              The Greens have, yes. The “expat” vote is important to them.

            • Gezza

               /  September 15, 2018

              So what showed up? Mainly girls like Golriz or Chloe, but with unpaid student loans, on their OE?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 15, 2018

              If the Greens are doing such a great job, why are these people expats ?

  3. robertguyton

     /  September 15, 2018

    Golriz and Chloe are girls ?
    Finger-painting’s fun, sure, but wait till you close your pudgy little fist around a crayon!

    • Gezza

       /  September 15, 2018

      So that’s a yes?

      • robertguyton

         /  September 15, 2018

        So what’s a yes? Remember to wash your hands, Gezza. And know that if you touch your face before you do, you’ll end up looking like one of J.M.Barrie’s injuns!

        • Gezza

           /  September 15, 2018

          So what’s a yes?
          So that’s a yes to my question whether the Extreme Feminist GREEN Left Party’s analysis of the expat vote revealed that the expat Extreme Feminist Green Left Party vote is mainly coming from idealistic, naive youngsters, mainly girls, with unpaid student loans, on their OE?

          Jesus, robert. You’ve only just read that, up above, where I typed it a few minutes ago. Have you had a recent memory function test?

          • robertguyton

             /  September 15, 2018

            Can’t remember…

            • Gezza

               /  September 15, 2018

              Hmm.
              Long term, bitter memories are fine.
              Problem is with short-term memory.
              Surprised you’re not voting NZF, tbh.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  September 15, 2018

            Still chewing his crayons, G. Not sure why you expect sense from a Green.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 15, 2018

              The Greens are in Government, Alan.
              WHAT WENT WRONG?????
              I know!
              Your beliefs about them were…ill-conceived and incorrect.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  September 15, 2018

              No, they just scraped together enough of the aspirationally deluded to have the numbers Winston needed. Nothing to do with sense.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 15, 2018

              Pfffffffffffft!
              Greens in Government. I like that.

            • Gezza

               /  September 15, 2018

              Greens are vegetables robert.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  September 15, 2018

              Of course you do. You like disasters.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 15, 2018

          JMB never used the word ‘injuns’. He did use what was then the current word ‘Indians’. Note capital I.