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  1. lurcher1948

     /  September 18, 2018

    I hope i don’t come across as a bitter person like this righty,

    I remember when the useless wanker turned up at Parliament wearing a new jacket on a borrowed new Triumph to support a group of bikies who were pissed off when National upped our ACC levies. He looked like a dork, acted like a dork, and is a dork. He once owned a Commando — waste of a decent bike. Bet the tosser has never done the ton or arsed off . . . just a fucken leeching loser!

    Sorry for the swearing,its a rightwing habit

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    • Corky

       /  September 18, 2018

      I take it the chutney has run out.

      I had the pleasure of sitting on Norton 850 Commando. Unfortunately I was told in no uncertain terms that I wouldn’t be turning the key. Pity.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  September 18, 2018

        I was on the back of a BSA 650 spitfire scrambler which crashed into a WCC council bus,hell the bike was heavy on me and the 2 pipes burnt me, one of 3 near death motor crashers
        beat this
        above bike crash
        hit a tree head on,head and windscreen meet and went through partially
        Slid of a gravel road, rolled a few times down the bank and ended upside down in a dry creek, thank god it was summer

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  September 18, 2018

          Remind me never to drive with you, Lurch. Sounds like you’ve used up your nine lives.

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          • lurcher1948

             /  September 18, 2018

            All these crashes were in my early youth,i have had one speeding ticket in my driving life, doing 75km in a 70 km area, and yes asked for the photo and certificate of calibration, i saw death and don’t want to go there. I run up large miles going to dog agility events safely
            ps in my youth i did motor ralling as a navigator in a friends BDA escort and a 998cc mini copper

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  September 18, 2018

              That’s a relief. I was getting worried for Red.

            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              *RED

            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              With Lurchy, RED’s name is never in lower case Al. Just saying.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  September 18, 2018

              I thought that was just Lurch getting excited.

            • Corky

               /  September 18, 2018

              Fug me, Lurchy. If I had known all of this I would have gone easy on you.
              Tell you what….I won’t make any more chutney jibes, even though I’m paying for it. May I suggest you switch to brand that’s low on sulphites. That way you won’t aggravate the arthritis you must suffer from.

            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              Understandable.

            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              Damn – that was to Al. I had no idea Corky was gonna just barge in like that.

      • lurcher1948

         /  September 18, 2018

        Thanks Corkey for the sweat from your brow, but WORK HARDER,you are not sweating enough

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    • Corky

       /  September 18, 2018

      ps- who the hell are you prattling about, Lurchy?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  September 18, 2018

        Some sad bugger called igm on a nearby rightwing blog,he has a VERY low opinion of the Prime Minister, child,and relationship. The host on the rightwing blog probably loves his (comments) PG would ban him,I can say this igm is disgusting

        [It’s not likely I would ban them, I would make sure they complied with reasonable standards here if they wished to comment. PG]

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  2. PDB

     /  September 18, 2018

    Govt flip-flops continue…

    “The Labour-led Government is extending New Zealand’s deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan despite promising in Opposition to pull troops out.””In Opposition, Labour promised to pull the troops out, accusing National of mission creep.”.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/09/jacinda-ardern-s-u-turn-on-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq.html

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  September 18, 2018

      Hosking got Jacinda very well this morning. He asked what had happened in between Andrew Little saying the troops would be brought out under a Labour Government and now.
      She replied “Firstly I am not Andrew Little, and secondly Andrew went to the area and has seen the difference our troops are making and it has altered his stance,”
      Hosking came back with: “So it was a good idea to bring them home until you actually saw what they were doing and what was happening – do you think there’s a lesson in that for this Government?”

      To be fair Jacinda’s comeback when Hosking offered one of his insightful columns to her for use in tomorrow’s Herald that she’s guest editing editing: “What, one of your satires?” was also very good.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  September 18, 2018

        It will be interesting to see what content she presides over tomorrow. Could be a two edged sword for her.

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  September 18, 2018

          It’s specifically for the “Suffrage” issue. She said she isn’t curating any political content.
          Still, the Herald aren’t doing themselves any favours on this:

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          • lurcher1948

             /  September 18, 2018

            If the billboard was Sir Key all the righties would say Statesman like

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  September 18, 2018

              No, they would say “WTF??”

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 18, 2018

              I agree; it’s rather hot-making to see the Herald fawning like this. What’s the point ? She’s not an editor and, unless she doesn’t actually do anything, she’s taking time off from being PM. My guess is that she’ll be a token.

      • PDB

         /  September 18, 2018

        “She replied “Firstly I am not Andrew Little, and secondly Andrew went to the area and has seen the difference our troops are making and it has altered his stance,””

        Ardern is lying unless Little has visited the troops more recently than shown here: Little: “Labour originally opposed the deployment because the Iraqi Army’s track record was poor, even after years of training by the American and other armies. Having visited Camp Taji, my view on this has not changed.”.

        https://www.labour.org.nz/iraq_mission_extension_case_not_made

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      • David

         /  September 18, 2018

        I thought this a particular low point for Little and I find it trite that the left always run the “we are good at reconstruction” crap, sure we probably are but you need peace and stability first and ISIS were a scorched earth death cult that need wiping off the face of the earth.
        I am glad they flip flopped and support our troops now but she is so full of spin and bullshit she is incapable of actually owning this, probably would have done her ratings the world of good.

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        • Blazer

           /  September 18, 2018

          try and understand the background …

          ” the motives of the governments that want to overthrow the Assad government, mainly Assad’s refusal to allow the construction of a pipeline through Syria for the transport of natural gas to Europe, a project desired by Qatar and its Gulf and Western allies.’

          ‘During the 1950s, President Eisenhower and the Dulles brothers — CIA Director Allen Dulles and Secretary of State John Foster Dulles — rebuffed Soviet treaty proposals to leave the Middle East a neutral zone in the Cold War and let Arabs rule Arabia. Instead, they mounted a clandestine war against Arab nationalism … particularly when Arab self-rule threatened oil concessions. …’

          ‘the Russians, who sell 70 percent of their gas exports to Europe, viewed the Qatar/Turkey pipeline as an existential threat. … In 2009, Assad announced that he would refuse to sign the agreement to allow the pipeline to run through Syria “to protect the interests of our Russian ally.”

          … Soon after [that] … the CIA began funding opposition groups in Syria. It is important to note that this was well before the Arab Spring-engendered uprising against Assad.’-Global Research.

          so its the same old…not rescuing people and delivering ‘freedom and democracy’…Assad was democratically elected.

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          • David

             /  September 18, 2018

            Troops are in Iraq, democratically elected government there asking for help and Assad is in next door in Syria.

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  3. Gezza

     /  September 18, 2018

    Well Question Time/Kweschun Toym will be on at 2pm today so I might wotshit

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 18, 2018

      I hope plodding thru the opening statement for the prosecution won’t have the jury yawning till recess.

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    • David

       /  September 18, 2018

      Trev will protect her with his little tricks

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      • Gezza

         /  September 18, 2018

        Absolutely. But that’s part of the entertainment. Which is pretty well what it was under Carter & has already descended to again.

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    • Gezza

       /  September 18, 2018

      Question 2. Simon Bridges to Prime Minister – CTO appointment.
      Jacinda’s in trouble. She doesn’t know anything – would have to check all her communications.

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      • Gezza

         /  September 18, 2018

        The concentrating frowning earnest innocent look on her face is nothing like the triumphant winner face we’ve seen of late.

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        • Gezza

           /  September 18, 2018

          Question 3 also Simon to Jacinda is funny/amusing – but she seems to be doing ok batting those away.

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          • Gezza

             /  September 18, 2018

            She’s getting ratty with Simon re this morning’s Hoskings interview.

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            • robertguyton

               /  September 18, 2018

              Jacinda is deftly batting Simon’s whines into…touch.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 18, 2018

              She’s good, though a bit frowny. He’s …a bore…

            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              Yes I agree on Q 3m, robert, but she’s desperately obfuscating on Q2 which is about her fibbing.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 18, 2018

              She’s probably… bored… with his dull niggles.

            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              She threw Clare Curran to the wolves.

            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              I’ll post Q2 when available.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 18, 2018

              She’s dettin twoss now, veddy twoss….temper, temper.

              Just answer the question, girl.

              Why is she wearing what looks like a grubby apron ?

      • Gezza

         /  September 18, 2018

        @ Kitty

        Mind giving me your opinion on this outfit? Looks to me like something put together by the girls at the local primary school, but I might not be the best person to judge.

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        • robertguyton

           /  September 18, 2018

          I think the “Gerry Brownlee” shoulder-feature is detracting from the elegance of the …curtains…

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          • robertguyton

             /  September 18, 2018

            Of course, my comment isn’t funny, but …

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            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              Yes, but we’re blokes. Unless you’re camp as all get out & a fashion designer – we know absolutely nothing about women’s outfits. Surely your Mrs has explained that to you?

            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              For all I know robert it’s fine as long it doesn’t make her bum look big.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 18, 2018

              You mean..Gerry?
              (not funny, I know).

            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              Part of the secret of funny is to keep the dialogue short and just watch for any ticks. If they’re all down, you’re in trouble. If they’re all up, you’ve hit the spot with the discerning viewer. If they’re a mix, some of them are humourless prix. If there’s none. Leave it at that point. You might have made an ass of yourself. Also this emoji is great for when you’re just joking 😉 Hope this is helpful. Expect some humourless prix will downtick me for it.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 18, 2018

              Conversations between any husband and any wife…

              HER: What should I wear to the (event) ?
              HIM: That ( ) that you’re wearing’s very nice.
              HER: (gives him a withering look) It’s ancient and I have no intention of going to a ( ) that ( ), ( ) and ( ) will be at.

              ________________________________________________________

              HER: Are you seriously thinking of going out like THAT ?
              HIM Yes,
              HER You must be joking.
              HIM No. Why, what’s wrong with it ?
              HER Just go and change….I am not going out to ( ) with you wearing THAT…just LOOK at it !

            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              You should be concentrating on making sure (.)(.) keeps her eyes off him.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 18, 2018

          She is standing & slumping badly* and that makes it look bunchy and bulgy. It’s not flattering on her, but Jacinda’s t-shirt or pinny or whatever it is looks worse because it’s not only shapeless, it looks grubby and dingy, and that oddly placed ? looks very odd.

          The patterned jacket’s 3D look is not a good one in this case, and wearing it with a ‘safe’ black dress does nothing for it or her. A different colour underneath would make a vast difference. It’s too small, too,

          * when I see myself on CCTV, I am doing this when I am tired, and it looks terrible

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 18, 2018

            JA’s thing looks as the dog has slid across it and left a muddy, streaky pawprint, or as if she’s wiped paintbrushes on it. It’s seriously bizarre and not a professional, well-groomed look.

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          • Gezza

             /  September 18, 2018

            Thank you.

            Jacinda looks dressed like a teenager at home on the weekend. I see that now.

            Amy needs to stand up bloody straight when she’s on her feet in The House, the patterned jacket looks oddly 3D, is too small for her, & clashes with her black dress underneath. I also think jacket is too busy, visually.

            Ok, are you going to email them or must I?

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    • Gezza

       /  September 18, 2018

      Question 4 Interesting – James Shaw seems to be challenging Ron Mark re Iraq? Strongly.

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      • robertguyton

         /  September 18, 2018

        James? Strong? Go Gazza!

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        • Gezza

           /  September 18, 2018

          Yes. Golriz has told him he must?

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          • Gezza

             /  September 18, 2018

            That’s a joke robert, sorry. I’m against these deployments to Iraq & Afghanistan.

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            • robertguyton

               /  September 18, 2018

              Mark Mitchell:” read it again” – Trev
              No one knows what Mitchell said???
              “And myself – should be, “and me”.
              Ron Mark. Too easy for him. Mitchell’s a … dull thug…
              “is that hat a point of order – you’re not serious?? – Trev.
              Mitchell .v. Mark – no competition – was Mitchell really being touted as the new National Leader???
              What… a….dill….

            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              Mitchell is not the brightest bulb in the box I agree – he has a speaking style similar to Bridges.

        • robertguyton

           /  September 18, 2018

          Robertson – good. Very good.
          Is his antagonist wearing..a picnic blanket?

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      • Gezza

         /  September 18, 2018

        Q.8 Mitchell skewered Ron Mark with the first one.

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        • Gezza

           /  September 18, 2018

          Mitchell’s thick. Trev told him a point of order (why did the deputy prime minister just contradict Ron Mark – which is correct?) should be a question and he asked the next one on his list.

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          • Gezza

             /  September 18, 2018

            Very messy. Ron Mark just corrected a wrong answer after a battle about it with Mitchell and Big Gerry

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        • robertguyton

           /  September 18, 2018

          No. He didn’t.

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          • robertguyton

             /  September 18, 2018

            Yes, he is. Gerry’s…big..

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            • robertguyton

               /  September 18, 2018

              Stepping in for the wobbly… Mark Mitchell. Sad.

            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              It has to be done sometimes when they’re stuffing up a bit.
              Trev, Robertson, and Winston do it all the time to rescue Jacs.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 18, 2018

              “Sorry, I’ve misspoken, Mr Speaker…”
              “Amateur hour” – pipes, Winston, Quite rightly. Gerry steps in. Gets nowhere.
              Trevor stands, slams Gerry. Gerry whines…

            • robertguyton

               /  September 18, 2018

              “Trev, Robertson, and Winston do it all the time to rescue Jacs.”
              They’re a…team.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 18, 2018

              Back to the garden…

            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              Good idea.

    • Gezza

       /  September 18, 2018

      Question 11 – Nick Smith to Chris Hipkins – re Derek Handley communications also interesting.

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      • Gezza

         /  September 18, 2018

        The body language of Hipkins is interesting. Not chipper.

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        • Gezza

           /  September 18, 2018

          Messy – a lot of argument with the speaker.

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          • Gezza

             /  September 18, 2018

            Trev just told Winston if that was how he was going to be in the future he would much prefer not to have his support! 😀

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            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              Hipkins told to get all the emails and have them available for a fuller and more transparent explanation tomorrow – still arguing going on.

            • Gezza

               /  September 18, 2018

              Now an argument over loss of questions by finlayson – this is a bloody sandpit session now – question 11.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 18, 2018

              “Fireblade
              Mark Mitchell was like a robot with a software malfunction.

              Monotone droning voice and unable to read his own question. Another National joke.”

  4. David

     /  September 18, 2018

    So this week hasnt really started any better for her.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107160622/prime-ministers-office-admits-mistake-over-arderns-economic-growth-hint-claim

    Not in itself the end of the world but the theme of her being distracted and not on top of things is taking hold, her usual go to of giving a good speech is wearing a bit thin as well.
    She has tried it to reset the business confidence issue with a speech and no actions, tried to fix the “coalition government” issue with a Ted Talk and that hasnt worked.
    I hate to say “smile and wave” oft trotted out by Labour could bite them in the bum.

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    • Gezza

       /  September 18, 2018

      That whole event on Sunday was a waste of time. Limited audience. Patsy questions. Peters looking grumpy and determined to be as disruptive as ever whenever. Shaw looking and sounding like an awkward afterthought. Only Labour supporters would think that was great. TV news (One and Three) saw it for what it was and panned it.

      Kweschun Toym today showed up where they’re feeling the heat and that the Princess didn’t like it one little bit. Bridges didn’t score any real hits going over any ground they’d already covered off in Q3 though, because the answers had already been announced.

      But Jacinda & Labour are looking really desperate & furtive on the Curran/CTO communications and fibbing debacle.

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  September 18, 2018

    What a laugh the mumbling bumbling Simon Bridges made the PM Jacinda Ardern jeer him
    SO Simon must try harder

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  September 18, 2018

      I can hear him perfectly. Deaf people always think that other people are mumbling.

      She was losing it, and her smart-arse riposte was playground level.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  September 18, 2018

    Geeza , crusher would sound like a Chinese puppet,which she possibly could be

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    • Gezza

       /  September 18, 2018

      Who’s Geeza?

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      • Gezza

         /  September 18, 2018

        Judith doesn’t really score many points with me – hardly seems to matter.
        But Twyford isn’t impressive either. Burbles on grinning like a chimp.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  September 18, 2018

    Alan W,RED is the reason i drive 5 hours to do dog agility, hes the man and is my extension when we run togethe, hours of training does that to your

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    • lurcher1948

       /  September 18, 2018

      “you,”damn smart phone

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 18, 2018

      I know that, Lurch. I took my lot for their walk this morning hoping to catch a dry spell but we all got soaked on the way back. Had to miss my breakfast date to take them home and dry them.

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      • Pickled Possum

         /  September 18, 2018

        hmm breakfast date ? Would that be freshly baked gawjuss croissants and delis freshly brewed coffee? supping with a view to die for??.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  September 18, 2018

          That’s 10 o’clock with the missus, Possum. After the walk it’s a coffee and slice of bread and blue cheese with a couple of old friends.

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          • Pickled Possum

             /  September 18, 2018

            The ole 10 o’clock breakfast date with the missus eh!
            said in your best Maxwell Smart voice.
            I love Mainland Galaxy blue and Puhoi blue, on anything cauli, salad,
            by itself, my one downfall, oh alright … one of many!
            Hi Missus.

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  8. David

     /  September 18, 2018

    Well I am glad they sorted that out, we just dont have enough crown agencies dealing with Maori issues and we are getting a better understanding of how much words mean to Peters too. From the Herald:

    “The new unit, the Office for Māori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti [the bridge,] does not have the word partnership in its title.

    It is understood that New Zealand First objected to “partnership” being in the title of the agency and the portfolio of the relevant minister, Kelvin Davis, as was originally proposed.

    But the new agency puts “Māori” first in the title ahead of “Crown” in both the name of the agency and in the title of the portfolio. He was previously the Minister for Crown Māori Relations.

    He will now be the Minister for Māori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti.

    Announcing the new agency, Davis said the name reflected feedback from hui he held across the country about his portfolio that Māori should appear first in the relationship.”

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 18, 2018

      Well, splendid. Ask silly questions and get silly answers from the first amongst equals.

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  9. Gezza

     /  September 18, 2018

    Item one on 1ewes

    Christ the first new Kiwibuild apartments trumpeted by Phil Twyford were discovered to be below the 40 sq m floor size to qualify for bank loans. One potential buyer was already even refused a bank loan. The developer has scrambled and tweaked the plans or something so they now qualify. Twyford seems to have the Reverse Midas touch.

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    • Blazer

       /  September 18, 2018

      why would any developer build them if they were not eligible for bank loans..is the question?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 18, 2018

      Added a window box?

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    • David

       /  September 18, 2018

      Banks are marginal at 55 sqm and last I heard Kiwibank wont do them at all.

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      • Blazer

         /  September 18, 2018

        applied to only 6 apartments apparently.

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        • Gezza

           /  September 18, 2018

          1ewes said they were the first – the flagship ones. The ones you’d expect to have been rigorously checked to ensure they met all the standards and requirements & were good to go, because they were the first

          Ta-ra 🎯 🏆 🎺 🎆🚀✅ 🆗 🆒 !!

          Now Twyford looks like a dick, but I guess on the bright side at least he hasn’t gone down in anyone’s estimation. 😐

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  11. just listening to the 2nd reading of Maritime surveillance bill.. designed to extend customs power to intercept ships, suspected of bringing drugs (esp. class A; Meth/P etc.) in NZ.. it turned into the typical Tory nonsensical.. ‘the greens are soft on Drugs B-S’
    btw; The Greens also support the bill

    It was good to hear a Lab. MP say that whilst it it does extend powers to intercept importation of these drugs.. this Govt. are looking at a broader treatment option for drug addicts.. (Bravo) not just the failed ‘Lock em up’ rhetoric that the narrow-minded Tories have used/still champion !

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  12. patupaiarehe

     /  September 18, 2018

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