Media watch – Thursday

20 September 2018

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  1. It sounds better than the English version, with the bonus that if you don’t understand Maori you avoid having to hear the god-laden lyrics.

    • Corky

       /  September 20, 2018

      We rely on God for our defence, Pete. Our Air Force certainly isn’t up to scratch. Oh, that’s right…what offensive Air Force? We don’t have one.

      • We rely on one of the best moats in the world for our defence.

        • Griff.

           /  September 20, 2018

          Actually it is more complex.
          We also rely on a population that has both the inclination and the skills to resist.
          Many year ago, when the internet was young I read the CIA world fact book .
          They rated the capability of NZ to defend itself high because of the skill set of the average Kiwi. Most of us own a pair of tramping boots that have been used in anger at some stage . Many of us can and have used a rifle. We can as a rule swim.These things might be normal to kiwis in many places they are something that you have to be trained for from the basics.
          I once had a discussion with a Koran about his military training.
          He told a story of 500 young recruits lined up practicing the novel idea of swimming on a hard concrete parade ground. Sound amusing to us but to them it was a part of their serious military training.
          We are still very much an outdoors focused population that grow up with skills that in many country’s are the preserve of only a few .
          Any country trying to invade here would have the both the Tyranny of Distance and the skilled, independently minded and resistive population to contend with.

          • Corky

             /  September 20, 2018

            30 years ago I would have agreed with you, Griff. I’m not so sure about our skill sets now, thought. Or our mental fortitude. Looking at all these young snowflakes getting into flash SUVs after school; putting in ear buds while watching the back-seat TV as mum drives them a block to home doesn’t give me great confidence.

          • PDB

             /  September 20, 2018

            Griff: “They rated the capability of NZ to defend itself high because of the skill set of the average Kiwi”

            Everybody playing ‘Fortnite” nowadays will certainly see them well prepared for an island invasion…..

            Griff: “We can as a rule swim.”

            What? All the way to Australia for them to defend us?

            Griff: “He told a story of 500 young recruits lined up practicing the novel idea of swimming on a hard concrete parade ground. Sound amusing to us but to them it was a part of their serious military training.”

            No doubt you tried it, dived in head first as a starting point and haven’t recovered since.

        • Blazer

           /  September 20, 2018

          pain comes from the sky these days…we’ve moved on from trench warfare.

      • Blazer

         /  September 20, 2018

        who are we defending ourselves from these days anyway?Commies…muslims…

        China and Russia have been buying up the West…its much cheaper and alot less messy.

        Only works if you have politicians on side who like an ‘open’ economy and a nice sinecure post politics.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  September 20, 2018

      I’m also of the opinion the religious overtones are a bit grating in the anthem, as is the insular and introspective tone.

      This article was interesting though, and puts some context around the anthem – I’m still not a great fan, but look at it in a slightly different light now:

      “…It’s a pitiable whining plea to an over-protective deity, they say, with God name-checked 11 times; it was written by (good Lord forbid) an Irishman; it demonstrates an unhealthy paranoia about foreign invaders. (Māori might argue it’s a bit late for that, one friend notes drily).

      It would be tempting to adopt this analysis and join the free and easy calls for Dave Dobbyn’s Loyal or Fred Dagg’s We don’t know how lucky we are to be made our national anthem, in a gumbooted paean to the Kiwiana of yesteryear.

      But here are four oft-overlooked reasons why Thomas Bracken’s God Defend lyrics are a radically subversive challenge to The Man, well-suited to a nation that sees itself as an independent voice on the world stage.
      1. Singers have long queried the cryptic call to “guard Pacific’s triple star”. But New Zealand folk music expert John Archer argues it was a reference to the three stars on Te Kooti’s flag of Māori independence. “Bracken was a committed Irish nationalist,” Archer says. “He was squarely on the side of the Māori from when he first arrived in New Zealand in 1869, during the middle of Te Kooti’s battles with colonial troops, in his campaign for independence for Tūhoe Māori.” That is reinforced by the cover of the 1878 music score, featuring a drawing of the Royal Standard alongside the flag of the independent tribes.

      2. In an era in which the British Crown and the Anglican Church demanded greater obeisance than the domestic government, when ill-disciplined posses of colonialists laid waste to Māori villages and Chinese immigrants were subjected to the poll tax and other racist abuses, Bracken’s hymn was extraordinary in opening up New Zealand to “men of every creed and race”. (Spot the obvious omission!)

      3. In a rallying call worthy of David Lange at the Oxford Union, Bracken warns that New Zealand should raise arms only is the cause is just and right, “From dissension, envy, hate / And corruption guard our state … Peace, not war, shall be our boast.”

      4. Finally, despite the repeated references to God, the anthem utterly ignores New Zealand’s Head of State, the Queen. The significance of this cannot be understated: God Save the Queen had been New Zealand’s national anthem for 137 years, before God Defend was officially adopted in 1977. To fail to pay tribute to the Monarch can only be interpreted as deliberately subversive.

      For those who embrace the traditional institutions of Church and State, those who pay homage to a Royal Family 19,000km away, for those who love the Union Jack on our flag and the imperialism it stands for – for you, this anthem is an abomination.
      There is, though, one thing on which conservatives and radicals may agree. Whatever one thinks of the lyrics, the tune is a dissonant din, an almost unsingable rollercoaster of a racket. So, in every sense, it really is subversive.”

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107108169/Our-anthem-God-Defend-New-Zealand-is-a-radically-subversive-challenge-to-tradition

    • sorethumb

       /  September 20, 2018

      I don’t care about the national anthem as the words aren’t up to much but that is no excuse for Guyon.

  2. Rickmann

     /  September 20, 2018

    “We rely on one of the best moats in the world for our defence.” Holy shit ! I hate to disturb this country’s PC ignorance of history or geopolitics, but the mind bogglingly ignorant might check out The Battle of the Coral Sea and the whole Japanese advance around that time, including just how well prepared we were in the event the USN and USMC had not forced back the Japanese. Try the Bob Temple tank and other woefully pathetic things that we desperately developed in preparation for a Japanese invasion – and the reason why men like my father with three children was hurredly trained, ill armed and sent to fight in and then being evacuated wounded from the Solomon Islands campaign.

    I was born in late 1945 and my mother said that when he died they founding his wallet a photo of me and another of a row of U.S. Marines lying on a beach where they had been killed by Japanese machine gun fire. But who cares ? The U.N. will protect us, just ask the pole in the Balkans, Rwanda and elsewhere. And gee whiz, who could be interested in a small, unoffensive country at the end of the Earth which just happens to be one of the world’s few net food exporters.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  September 20, 2018

      There’s no way the Japanese would have been able to get past the gun on North Head in Devonport – NZ was safe as houses!

      http://www.visitdevonport.co.nz/wp-content/themes/visitdevonport/uploads/Devonport-North-Head-Disappearing-gun.jpg

      • Blazer

         /  September 20, 2018

        yes the Japanese lost the War.
        They are still speaking Japanese and have been a powerhouse economy until the western Q.E system stalled them.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  September 20, 2018

          It was ironic that Germany & Japan benefited from billions in rebuilding funds gifted to them after the war. They were also able to modernise.
          Not sure how much of a powerhouse Japan is – seems an enigma on that front. It is an enormous economy though.

          • Gezza

             /  September 20, 2018

            Delicious irony in the fate of Wright’s Hill Fortress’s in Welly, which I hiked up to a few years back. It’s been restored – minus the guns – now.
            – – – – – – – – – – –
            Two huge 9.2 inch guns were installed by the Army in 1944, after arriving by ship fom England. The whole gun weighed 135 tons, with the barrel alone weighing 28 tons. The order for the third gun was cancelled after an improvement in the Pacific war situation.

            The guns could fire a 380 pound (172 kg) shell up to 18 miles (30 km) across Cook Strait towards Tory channel, or up as far as Plimmerton. Each shell was about three feet (1 metre) long and was propelled by two half charges of 62 pounds (28kg) of cordite.

            The guns of course never fired in anger but were test fired, each with three rounds, in 1946 and 47 after the War. The Army reported later that the “proofings,” as they were called, were “most satisfactory”. Broken windows resulted at the Fortress after the blasts.

            The Fortress was used for training purposes up to the mid 1950’s but a Government decision in early 1960 resulted in the guns being cut up for scrap and being sold, ironically, to the Japanese. The gun emplacements were filled with rubble and other equipment removed from the Fortress.

  3. PDB

     /  September 20, 2018

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/09/so_much_for_fearless_science.html

    “So read this article and remember that when people talk about making decisions based on science, that often means making decisions based on science we personally agree with.”

    • Griff.

       /  September 20, 2018

      You do know the difference between social science and hard science ?
      Opps thats right in your world you can ignore the implications of well supported physics if you disagree with it.
      I do note DPF has had a series of posts from fringe whacks claiming to be scientific lately.
      Most amusing to read the fuckwittery in the comments.
      My fave was when one of the whackos claimed their favorite paper was a seminal work on the topic.
      The paper in question has had three cites in four years.
      https://citations.springer.com/item?doi=10.1007/s10666-014-9429-z
      First obituary of the lead author C. R. Freitas.
      Next a paper on the same subject which found a far more realistic conclusion. This has already been cited 9 times.
      The third was a comment pointing out all the errors in the pathetic effort of C. R. Freitas et al.
      Hence.
      The fate of crap scientific papers? They just get ignored .

      • PDB

         /  September 20, 2018

        Griff: “You do know the difference between social science and hard science ?
        Opps thats right in your world you can ignore the implications of well supported physics if you disagree with it.”

        I haven’t made any judgement, simply posted an interesting topic from Kiwiblog.

        Griff: “in your world you can ignore the implications of well supported physics”

        For interest sake where do you stand on the ‘hard science’ or ‘well supported physics’ that explains everything that happened during the 9/11 attacks of 2001? No skin in the game myself just interested in your views…

        • Griff.

           /  September 20, 2018

          ROFL
          Goal post moving .
          wtf has 9/11 got to do with anything ?
          FWIW.
          Jet fuel burns at about 1,000C.Steel is easy bent long before that temperature is reached.Any one who has played with heated steel will know It will start to bend easily at dull red 600C.
          I spent a few years bending some pretty high tech alloys for a living .
          Metals lose structural strength long before they melt.

          DPF and kiwi blog has a ideological bent towards distorting science for political reasons.
          DPF has allowed absolute whacks to post on his blog recently for ideological purposes.
          The sort of nutters that deny such basic physics as how a domestic clothes dryer works or why moisture from your breath condenses on a cold surface .

          • PDB

             /  September 20, 2018

            Goal post moving? – Being angry all the time isn’t good for the health Griff – I’m sure there is a scientific paper somewhere that backs that up…..

            I’m just (pretending to be) interested in the extent of your scientific views…playing devil’s advocate on 9/11: what about building WTC7 that collapsed exactly like the twin towers (albeit it over a longer timeframe) but wasn’t hit by a plane? Jet fuel as well?

          • Griff.

             /  September 20, 2018

            I am not angry all the time I just love laughing at halfwits .
            You dont even meet that low bar
            1/4 to 1/3 wit in bright sunlight….
            Do tell us more about your fascination with 9/11.
            Is it another global conspiracy like the gibberingly stupid one you believe about climate science? Thought about help? I know a very good councilor who may be of assistance of you can afford her rates …..plus my cut.

            • PDB

               /  September 20, 2018

              Exactly what I thought – WTC7 doesn’t fit the narrative very well. 9/11 is an interesting one for the neutral as many reputable engineers, physicists and the like don’t totally believe the official story.

              Griff: “I am not angry all the time I just love laughing at halfwits”.

              Being able to laugh at oneself is a good thing Griff – just don’t let anyone catch you doing so in the mirror – could look a bit…creepy.

            • Griff.

               /  September 20, 2018

              Conspiracy not bar and the stage were nah nah nah you are too so there is the height of intellectual accomplishment .
              Gee maybe I was a little off with 1/4 to 1/3 wit .
              Try four year old level/1/10.

            • PDB

               /  September 20, 2018

              Rather nasty Griff – though I’m not sure what you are saying in your first sentence considering it’s in some alternative form of English?

              I always find in life that it always hurts a little bit more when a narcissist thinks you are aren’t up to much.

  4. sorethumb

     /  September 20, 2018

    MediaWorks Standards Committee
    standardscommittee@mediaworks.co.nz
    aug, 10 at 16:30
    :

    The MediaWorks Standards Committee is responsible for considering formal complaints about MediaWorks’ online news content, and deciding whether or not it complied with the Principles set out by the New Zealand Media Council.

    Your complaint relates to a video created by a third-party and published by Youtube. MediaWorks is only required to consider complaints about content published by MediaWorks. Therefore, we are not required to accept your complaint.

    In any event, we are satisfied that The Project material you referred to in your complaint complied with the Media Council’s Principle of Accuracy, Fairness and Balance.

    Discussing Canadian right-wing personality Lauren Southern’s attempts to prevent a refugee ship from docking in Sicily, presenter Jesse Mulligan stated:“She says that women and children would be better to die than come into Europe”.

    The Committee has determined that Mr Mulligan did not quote something Ms Southern had actually said, but rather inferred her views from her actions. Having considered Ms Southern’s actions, we are satisfied that Mr Mulligan’s characterisation of her views was accurate.

    Kind regards,

    Robert Dowd

    For the MediaWorks Standards Committee
    …………………………….
    The Authority declined jurisdiction to accept and consider a complaint referral about a video uploaded to video-sharing website platform YouTube, which featured clips from a broadcast of The Project. The Authority noted that its jurisdiction, which is prescribed under the Broadcasting Act 1989, is limited to consideration of formal complaints about television and radio broadcasts. In this case, the complainant was concerned about content uploaded to YouTube and edited by a third party. The content of the video predominantly comprised commentary by that third party. The Authority therefore did not have jurisdiction to accept and consider the complaint referral.
    Declined Jurisdiction
    PO Box 9213, Wellington, New Zealand http://www.bsa.govt.nz

    The complaint was not about the Youtube video and there was no dispute as to a) which program was being complained about or b) the detail of the complaint. Therefore a pure technicality. The BSA is as left as RNZ.

    • sorethumb

       /  September 20, 2018

      the complainant was concerned about content uploaded to YouTube and edited by a third party.
      …….
      That is incorrect for a start?
      What constitutes editing? Is a clip an edit?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 20, 2018

      Quelle surprise. What sort of person would you expect to want to sit on the BSA?

  5. I hear Dunne is ‘talking Synthetics’ again ?
    meanwhile he is listed as on the board of a Medicinal Cannabis startup.. go figure

    talk about ‘creating a double standard narrative’..
    Forget this Synthetic B-S & Regulate the natural Herb.. OR is there still a hidden agenda ?
    “Follow the money folks !!” 😦

  6. Zedd

     /  September 20, 2018

    I see that the new Minister of housing (Twyford) has offered an ‘official apology’ for all the 800+ people who suffered under the ‘Meth contamination debacle’.. kicked out their houses & lost benefits etc. BUT no one in the ministry is to loss their job, over it !

    Twyford basically, pointed his figure at ‘the previous Govt’ & said (paraphrased) ‘They have already lost THEIR jobs’

    The response from the Natl party(prev. Govt.)
    ‘WE were just acting on ‘the best advice… given’ OR were they really just stirring up more ‘Reefer madness style’ HYSTERIA. 43 years & still counting.. (MODA 75)

    “For God’s sake think of the Children !!!!” 😦 😦

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 20, 2018

      Gave you a tick for that and not just for Twyford pointing his figure. It was a disgraceful negligent blunder by the previous administration.

  7. Zedd

     /  September 20, 2018

    I read in ‘The Star’ newspaper (pg 17).. a blurb from Ms Clare Curran (Sth D MP) about ‘125 years of Women’s sufferage’

    She then added a line that ‘I want to reassure you, I am still very much your Dn Sth MP…’
    It seems that some folks. may think she has left parliament.. more ‘Fake News’ or just rumors/innuendo ???

  8. Zedd

     /  September 20, 2018

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/09/19/cannabis-coffee-could-make-your-mornings-less-stressful-7960380/

    First I heard that a company or three (Canada & USA) were infusing beer with weed.. next; Coke are moving same way.. now this.. CannaCoffee.

    When I went to the coffeeshops in Holland, it was Cannabis with the coffee, not in it ! 😀 😀

  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  September 20, 2018

    PC fuckwits run Dept of Education. Schools in chaos, no-one cares:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12128520

    • PDB

       /  September 20, 2018

      Don’t worry Alan – all good training for these brats before eventually voting for the left when of legal age.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  September 20, 2018

        Obviously these kids are heading directly to jail at an early age because of colonialism.

    • Corky

       /  September 20, 2018

      I thought I knew how bad things were re education. Apparently I know fugg all. This is one step up from my experiences..and what I’ve been told.

      Unbelievable:

      “A teacher is not even allowed to lift a five-year-old up and carry them out [of the classroom] when they throw things in the middle of a tantrum.

      “Instead, we are supposed to leave them and remove all the other children,”

      What madness is this?

      • Corky

         /  September 20, 2018

        In my day the strap would fly. Kids would cry. The classroom would still be intact.

  10. sorethumb

     /  September 20, 2018

    The Economist
    https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/09/18/can-white-people-experience-racism?

    Great that this was covered by Quilette. Is the Economist on a floating ice pack?

  11. Gezza

     /  September 20, 2018

    Jacinda Arden has sacked Meka Whaitiri

    was the first up headline item on 1ewes tonight. The Parliamentary Services(?) report she has received says that while the facts are disputed, that an incident occurred was confirmed.
    Jacinda’s announcement appeared to be very focussed, was short and sharp, & determined – & she left the office space immediately afterwards, in excellent Helen Clark style.

    The “she is weak” complaint of Bridges (he made it on screen, duh?) has been firmly countered.

  12. Gezza

     /  September 20, 2018

    Phil Twyford also featured, giving a cogent straightforward explanation of why those people who had been unfairly evicted from their HNZ homes following what were known to be scientifically wrong meth test results, were being paid and what matters would be considered case by case.

    Judith Collins made herself look completely out of touch and intransigent about the previous government’s complicity in this disgraceful policy, and HNZ officials were shown acknowledging their error and saying they would be formally apologising to every person so disavantaged as well.

    Phil did a credible job yesterday countering questions about the FIX THE BLOODY ROAD protest.

    Phil is lifting his game. The newbies may be finding their feet. Simon might not yet have quite got his footing.

  13. Corky

     /  September 20, 2018

    Meka not taking it well. A bully who probably lasted longer than she should’ve because she’s Maori. Next will come the cries of racism…and putting mardee down.

    All grist for the mill.