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    • Corky

       /  September 20, 2018

      Great piece, Thumbs. I have always believed Amy Brooke and Kitty would get on well given their love of western literature. Amy is the person who rejected a Sam Hunt poem because she didn’t consider it poetry. Sam naturally became agitated because someone had told him the emperor’s attire wasn’t up to scratch.

      Likewise Maori become agitated when they are told a few home truths.

      • sorethumb

         /  September 20, 2018

        I was thinking it’s just another arrow against the castle wall. I was on our Neighbourly chapter recently arguing about “Did you know it is Maori Language Week?” was good to see a majority of citizens come out talking common sense. There is something very dodgy where a small group can become a public opinion?

      • Pickled Possum

         /  September 20, 2018

        “Likewise Maori become agitated when they are told a few home truths.”
        Don’t ya Just Corky.

        I was in the company of 6 30-40 yo Maori men last week
        ALL are business owners some reaching into million dollar profit.
        ALL are handsome vibrant and honest.
        All have their own strong beautiful teeth and work damned hard for their families
        ALL own their own homes.
        All of them ferry/taxi their girls around for safety and love it
        All LOVE to hear home truths. They literally thrive on being critiqued
        All treat their workers extremely well.
        And NOT one of them hit their wives or partners.
        I know some pretty Awe Sum Maori people Corky …..

        Now these are the Maori that nobody wants to talk about in the msm and on blogs.
        Better to misquote and tell lies about what they think Maori are about.
        Or allude to dishonesty being in the DNA of Maori.
        Is there any evidence that the English were/are honest in their long history
        of being INVADERS.

        • sorethumb

           /  September 20, 2018

          In the 1956 Census 95% were European – The Maori population has expanded greatly since then?

          • Pickled Possum

             /  September 20, 2018

            Your . is? Census is just a guide NOT a true number of people in NZ.

            Has the Wizard of Christchurch filled one out yet?
            There is a lot of people like him don’t want to fill the forms out
            they don’t want to be counted, don’t want a bar of the numbers game.

            Oh No I see he is still up to his get out of census free buzz.
            https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/christchurch/the-wizard-to-continue-his-crusaders-against-the-census/

            How do you count the Maori people in reality sorethumb?
            Each Iwi has a roll of members butt to be accurate the people have to register.
            There are Maori people who live for their families and do not have time to register or become a member or to even go home to their turangawaewae
            to their marae.
            Too busy paying the mortgage/rent, food, power, gas, clothes, doctors, dentist
            Too busy looking after the old and sick.
            Too busy paying the taxman.

        • sorethumb

           /  September 20, 2018

          What about the Maori who would be happy just being New Zealanders rather than those who are the product a government bureaucracy and left-wing ideology? Bearing in mind our population is expanding and immigration is global.

          • Pickled Possum

             /  September 20, 2018

            ‘Maori who would be happy just being New Zealanders.’

            They are asleep sorethumb …
            put to sleep with non education of their people and their culture
            When they wake up and see their culture being stripped away for a culture of lies and deceit they will be a force to be reckoned with.

            • Blazer

               /  September 21, 2018

              is that what the 6 you have mentioned have done?

            • Pickled Possum

               /  September 21, 2018

              No Blazer those 6 were already awake.
              They are enjoying being Human most of all.

          • PartisanZ

             /  September 20, 2018

            It appears to me Te Tiriti o Waitangi granted Maori the ‘privilege’ of being BOTH Tino Rangatiratanga whanau/hapu/iwi Maori and British citizens, who became New Zealanders with Colony status (1841) and Dominion (1907) … then full Independence status (1947) …

            This racial difference, which might even be called ‘privilege’, is the very foundation of our country … The bedrock of our Constitutionalism …

        • Corky

           /  September 20, 2018

          ”I was in the company of 6 30-40 yo Maori men last week.”

          ”All have their own strong beautiful teeth and work damned hard for their families.”

          The latter is a little strange, but I get your point. Here’s the problem. Maori like that aren’t hard to find..it’s just dead-beat,unmotivated and violent Maori are much easier to find. The prison population proves that.

          I would have continued this discussion but when you write the following it tells me all I need to know…and that it’s time for me to move on. If you knew Maori history you wouldn’t have written this:

          ”Is there any evidence that the English were/are honest in their long history
          of being INVADERS.”

          • Pickled Possum

             /  September 21, 2018

            were you a dead beat youth corky … do have problems defining maori men
            that walked a different route than yourself.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 20, 2018

        Western literature is an enormous field; nobody could be familiar with it all or love it all. There are many languages in the West and many kinds of literature. To know and love some is not to love it all.

    • PartisanZ

       /  September 20, 2018

      Oh Lord, more spawn of KiwiFrontLine, Treatygate, NZCPR, Hobson’s Pledge and their ilk … and from the same minions … for the same minions …

      I love these White Superiority websites who constantly claim to be speaking on behalf of “the majority of New Zealanders” and “most New Zealanders” … Yet I can find no evidence of this … Where are the reputable surveys? The polls? The numbers? The statistics?

      I see ‘100 DAYS’ has 4,297 ‘likes’ in total … and one single solitary ‘like’ for this article [admittedly only one day old] … our very own sorethumb …

      Is it open for comments? No … Another confirmation bias site for the minuscule few who cannot distinguish racial difference from their own racism because of their own racism …

      ‘Right Brigade’ activism is admirable though. I think if all the Fair & Decent people in Aotearoa NZ wrote to newspapers and contacted their MPs like Right Brigadiers do, public opinion would appear somewhat more balanced and sensible …

      • sorethumb

         /  September 20, 2018

        Less tan 4% are fluent te reo speakers. English is superior.

        • PartisanZ

           /  September 20, 2018

          That ‘statistic’ neither indicates or justifies the English language’s “superiority”, only it’s dominance …

          We all know the process of colonization made the British Empire dominant for a time, and English the dominant language …

          To use that as a ‘statistic’ to justify these White Superiority, Race-Fear-and-Hatred websites is to renounce reason and forego both thought and human compassion …

          Too late for retrieval of those I guess …?

          • sorethumb

             /  September 20, 2018

            Show me on the map where you can travel with te reo. History is history.

            “To use that as a ‘statistic’ to justify these White Superiority, Race-Fear-and-Hatred websites is to renounce reason and forego both thought and human compassion …”

            I see you are proficient in Rhubarb

        • Pickled Possum

           /  September 20, 2018

          ‘English is superior’
          who said? the English …
          that’s real funni sorethumb

          Where did you get that number for fluent Maori speakers?
          from some English programme like Census. hahaha

          How can you say anything about Maori and their ways,
          do you know the History the whakapapa the waiata from the Maori
          or do you just read it in your pakeha books
          written by pakeha about some people they didn’t even know.
          Your need to denigrate Maori is unfair.

          • PartisanZ

             /  September 20, 2018

            Gosh … Possum … “unfair” is being awfully generous and kind to sorethumb …

          • sorethumb

             /  September 20, 2018

            English is superior as it is a major language. It also has a vast literature.

            What you demonstrate is that whatever Maori want (a question asked by North and South in the 1980’s) is as long as a piece of string and people like Gareth Morgan who think there is some point where a bell rings “that’s enough” are naive. What you want (as with your identity ) is all in your sick greedy head.

        • PartisanZ

           /  September 20, 2018

          20.6 percent of Canadians speak French fluently, mostly in Quebec and New Brunswick …

          Comparisons are odious, of course, because Canadian ‘bilingualism’ takes no account of Native American language … but …

          “Although the vast majority of English-speaking Canadians are favourable to official bilingualism, only about 10% of them, outside the provinces of Québec and New Brunswick, can speak French at all fluently.

          A great many more can read it, at least at a basic level, SINCE FRENCH IS TAUGHT IN ALL SCHOOLS … “

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  September 20, 2018

            A ridiculous waste of time and money in BC where any French speakers are vastly outnumbered by immigrants from other parts of Europe. However Quebec votes kept Liberals in power so pandering to them meant money and common sense never mattered.

  1. Corky

     /  September 20, 2018

    Mikey applying the hurt this morning over the governments pay equity legislation. Apparently on the steps of Parliament the Greens and Labour had different versions of what that would entail.

    Add to that Winston losing his cool with Barry Soper and things look like…well, they are coming apart at the seams. Another day; another faux pas.

    All grist for the mill

    • Gezza

       /  September 20, 2018

      The Mill has rented two containers as their grist silo is full.

      • Corky

         /  September 20, 2018

        The augers are smoking.

        • Gezza

           /  September 20, 2018

          Is now a good time to get into grist haulage futures?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 20, 2018

            Is it a good time to ask Corky what this cliche actually means ?

            I think that it’s usually grist for a specific mill, but either way it’s a cliche.

            • Gezza

               /  September 20, 2018

              grist
              noun

              1. corn that is ground to make flour.
              malt crushed to make mash for brewing.
              2.useful material, especially to support an argument.
              “the research provided the most sensational grist for opponents of tobacco”

              I never assume Corky hasn’t checked before using a phrase.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 20, 2018

              I do, or he woulfn’t say that the AUGERS are smoking. The augurs are smoking doesn’t make much sense, either, but smoking augers is meaningless (unless they are on fire because of wrong or overuse).

              It’s helpful to say which mill the grist is, er, grist for.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 20, 2018

              He didn’t check this one, or he’d have known that it’s supposed to be a specified mill. Otherwise it’s just literal grist for a real mill.

          • Gezza

             /  September 20, 2018

            I know what he means or implies by grist for the mill. It’s actually good dry wit.
            I let the augers one go because I didn’t get it. I’ve found just letting things go sometimes makes for a far more pleasant existence.

  2. sorethumb

     /  September 20, 2018

    The ex-miner bringing Ngāi Tahu sustainability knowledge to Canterbury farmers

    or Maori advise Pakeha farmers on the environment their farm management
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/countrylife/audio/2018662586/the-ex-miner-bringing-ngai-tahu-sustainability-knowledge-to-canterbury-farmers

  3. PartisanZ

     /  September 20, 2018

    “Here’s the disturbing thing: research has found that merely studying Homo economicus [mainstream economics] can alter us. A study in Israel found that third-year economics students rated altruistic traits – such as helpfulness, honesty and loyalty – as being far less important than did their freshman equivalents. After taking a course in game theory (a study of strategy which assumes self-interest in its models), economics students in the US behaved more selfishly and expected others to do so too.”

    Economic Man vs. Humanity: A Puppet Rap Battle

    http://evonomics.com/economic-man-vs-humanity-a-puppet-rap-battle/?utm_source=newsletter_campaign=organic

    • Corky

       /  September 20, 2018

      Jews and Yanks. A double whammy, Parti? Economics is economics. Just like women’s study, is women’s study. Where your mind is, so are you. I don’t see a problem unless you have trouble seeing the broader picture. That said, life has a way of teaching you that.

      • PartisanZ

         /  September 20, 2018

        Mainstream economics is a giant, pseudo-scientific, self-justifying, snake-oil fraud … The problem is the influence this ‘sickness’ has on the world …

        • Corky

           /  September 20, 2018

          I don’t disagree with you. However, it is what it is.

          • PartisanZ

             /  September 20, 2018

            It is what corporate-political elites want us to believe it is …

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  September 20, 2018

          It’s just politics by another name, PZ. It’s more of a political science than Political Science is.

          • PartisanZ

             /  September 20, 2018

            And ‘Evonomics’, ‘Eco-nomics’ and many, many others are saying: High time that changed Alan …

            The most real and pervasive fear in people, societies and civilizations is arguably the fear of change – Metathesiophobia – which can eventually bring down the civilization pervaded with it …

            Then, of course, there’s the question of what kind of change is healthy and what unhealthy … ? Or the degrees of healthiness and unhealthiness in change … as in Rogerednomics …?

        • sorethumb

           /  September 20, 2018

          Mainstream economics is based on models but the models depend on assumptions. I’m blowed if I can see why immigration is always good for the economy [actually the economy yes but what about per capita plus quality of life].?

  4. A good question.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 20, 2018

      Lovely!

    • Blazer

       /  September 20, 2018

      who was it sent to?

      • Gezza

         /  September 20, 2018

        The person or persons who make the decision. Stella looks like she doesn’t muck about.

    • Gezza

       /  September 20, 2018

      I would bet money that:

      – that IS going to happen (how could anyone refuse that? The logic is impeccable, the request is clear, options are provided, the politeness is an example to all)
      – Stella has a very bright future

  5. High Flying Duck

     /  September 20, 2018

    A few of you are starting to let the side down in constructive debate on this site. As such, as a public service, I would like to remind all of you of the proper format to use (this works for all topics):

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 20, 2018

      On behalf of Sir Gerald I resent that allegation, HFD. He follows those instructions dilligently.

      • Gezza

         /  September 20, 2018

        An outrageous libel, Sir Alan
        You will be hearing from my solicitor.

        I believe the above may in fact have been shamelessly plagiarised from the little-known publication The Peters Rules For Television Interviews

        Sir Gerald

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  September 20, 2018

          Aha, so that was where you sourced your strategy? All is revealed, Sir Gerald.

          Sue and be damned.

  6. Pickled Possum

     /  September 20, 2018

    In Canada this week;
    Coca Cola and Auroa Cannabis working towards cannabis infused beverages. Pretty ironic that coca cola used to have cocaine in it. Becoming cocaine free in 1929.
    Canada making billions on the cannabis … why can’t we?
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/19/marijuana-producer-tilray-up-another-40percent-as-cannabis-stocks-blossom.html

    • PartisanZ

       /  September 20, 2018

      I’ll speculate about why we can’t do it …

      Our human rights are asphyxiated through strangulation by extremely conservative corporate-political elites who use social policies as playthings to entice, sell, bribe, mask, enroll, indoctrinate or force us into and/or justify their ideological, economic policy-driven agendas …

      When hemp and cannabis finally merge into those economic agendas – probably due to pressure from global forces like ‘Five Eyes’ – they’ll be ‘legalized’ overnight I’ll bet …

      What’s unlikely to happen along with that is sound, decent drug & alcohol law reform like what’s already being recommended by our Drug Foundation … The type sensible governments like Portugal and numerous others have instigated …

      Look for the whole caboodle to remain somehow ‘criminalized’ rather than become a health issue … so that corporate-political elites can reap the monetary benefits, yet again, of the commodification, industrialization and pharmacueticalization of these plant ‘resources’ … while attempting to control the citizenry from doing so on anything other than their financialized terms …

  7. lurcher1948

     /  September 20, 2018

    igm my favourite kiwiblog poster never fails to come across with a rightwing example post,Every day is anticipation what this sad person will post
    igm
    Sonny Bill thinks that HDPA is out of order in her reference to leeching PIs. Being a Muslim, he would disagree with anything truthful, especially the adjective “Leech”, which is depictive of the vile religious mongrels to which he belongs. In fact, he would not be missed if he returned to league — but he is possibly surplus to needs there also.
    This”person”alludes to the fact that he employs people,and treats them like shit

  8. lurcher1948

     /  September 20, 2018

    Is anyone else here taking part in this project, i have my white box by my router crunching data and it gives you a good feel
    https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=237852

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 20, 2018

      I was on the previous contracted monitoring system and don’t know why it was terminated by the bureaucrats. It’s taken them a long time to get this replacement going. I still have the old box sitting there but not doing anything much but providing a wifi service.

  9. PartisanZ

     /  September 20, 2018

    ‘Housing NZ will apologise and reimburse tenants disrupted over meth contaminated homes’ – NZ Heraldo

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12128430

  10. Pickled Possum

     /  September 20, 2018

    Why don’t the NZ government send people like this home.
    I object to my whanau paying taxes to house and feed this Korean
    for 13 long years …. who thinks he’s Japanese.
    That will be 1+ million dollars to house and feed this very sick man.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12128120

  11. lurcher1948

     /  September 20, 2018

    Hell PG is your blog becoming a racist cesspool like kiwiblog and his weirdos, I’m waiting for farrars resident NAZI to appear and start posting anti Jewish shit.

    • Corky

       /  September 20, 2018

      Perhaps you can point out the racist posts so we can put your perceptions to the test, Lurchy.

      • lurcher1948

         /  September 20, 2018

        Yawn,you can read cannot you Corky…just asking

        • Corky

           /  September 20, 2018

          I can read..but I don’t have your perceptions. Cut and paste the offending comments.

    • Zedd

       /  September 20, 2018

      well said Lurch !

  12. lurcher1948

     /  September 20, 2018

    “Can you” Corky opps

  13. Interesting during Q-time; Judith trying to justify their ZERO-tolerance Meth/P testing regime in State houses.. by asking if the new Govt. condone illegal Drug Manufacture, dealing & use ? (paraphrase)

    Twyford said “NO !” but they DO think, that drug use/addiction should be dealt with as a ‘Health care issue’ NOT a Lock ’em up, Zero-tolerance; Criminal justice one.

    Strategy for Employment & homelessness (under Natl): Arrest more Drug users/addicts & build more Prisons !!

    Definition of Insanity: Nat’s Policies/approach on Drug use/addiction 😦 😦

    • Griff.

       /  September 20, 2018

      Go Judith.
      Nice of her to confirm their motivation was to continue the war on drugs rather than any real threat to occupants.
      Some estimates place the cost of this stupid policy as up to $100,000,000.
      Not counting the compensation Housing NZ will now have to pay out to those persecuted by the conservatives idiocy.
      Judith really should become Nationals new leader.
      About 60% of Kiwis can not stand her so National no mates will not have another chance to f up NZ for years.

      • lurcher1948

         /  September 20, 2018

        READ THIS Judith Collins will NEVER become a PM,Shes to close to communist China and no one likes her

  14. Also in Q-time S Brown (Natl) going on about rescheduling some ‘Synthetic Cannabinoids’ as ‘Class A’ drugs & adding harsher penalties.. it was under the last Natl-led Govt. that the ‘Psychoactive substance act’ (Dunne) was introduced & passed, which temporarily legally regulated these ‘Substances’ often referred to as ‘Synthetic Cannabis’,, but refused to include the Natural Herb.

    It was even said, that many of these ‘synthetics’ were ‘LOW-Risk’ but refused to accept that natural herb, would fit this category !! DOUBLE-STANDARDS or What ?! 😦

  15. lurcher1948

     /  September 20, 2018

    Just listened to Barry Soper and i thought that hes no more of a political commentator than i am,he sounds like a used by NZME hack,going through the motions

  16. lurcher1948

     /  September 20, 2018

    Maggy Wassilieff
    To lose one Minister, Ms Ardern, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness.
    (apologies to O.W.)
    love this copy and paste thingy

  17. sorethumb

     /  September 20, 2018

  18. sorethumb

     /  September 20, 2018

    Attn Corky