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  1. David

     /  September 21, 2018

    I now think that Ardern had advanced knowledge of the GDP figures and she knew what she was talking about when she talked with Hosking but I dont think she realized if people found out she had advanced knowledge it would be damaging to the countries reputation.
    Her office probably looked on in horror at her faux pas and immediately called her confused, wrong or mistaken at the question. She probably didnt know the exact figures but doubtless knew they were better than the market was expecting in a nudge nudge wink wink way.

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    • PDB

       /  September 21, 2018

      I agree – would have been an interesting dilemma for her office – “we can either say nothing and you’ll be called dodgy & corrupt or you can say you made a mistake and be seen as a complete economic idiot with suspicion of being a liar – your choice”.

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      • David

         /  September 21, 2018

        They went with economic idiot because its more plausible.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 21, 2018

          Advance or advanced ? It does make a difference.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 21, 2018

            Seriously, it does. Advance means that she knew ahead of time (which I hope was true) but advanced would mean in-depth knowledge.

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  2. Corky

     /  September 21, 2018

    Lurchy became angry and confused yesterday and asked who listens to Mikey. My motto is when things are in the dark they need a little light shone on them.

    Love him; hate him, you can’t ignore him. Mikey has been tops for nine years.

    Read and weep, Lurchy.

    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/newstalk-zb-tops-radio-ratings-mike-hosking-retains-talkback-crown-for-ninth-straight-year/

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    • lurcher1948

       /  September 21, 2018

      YAWN

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      • PartisanZ

         /  September 21, 2018

        Says a lot about A) Talkback B) Talkback listeners and callers C) The relevance of radio. D) Ratings & especially radio ratings E) King-makers & crown placers, & finally F) The Right Parade of Talkback hosts … ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz ….

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        • Corky

           /  September 21, 2018

          Also says much about the critics, their fanaticism, their angst and anger ….. fear the feral Left…and those to the Left of Left.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 21, 2018

        Move over PZ and Lurchy (yawnnnnn)…I can’t keep my eyezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……

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      • Corky

         /  September 21, 2018

        ‘YAWN.’ Mikey got your tongue, Lurchy?

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    • robertguyton

       /  September 21, 2018

      I ignore him – never listened to him, never will.

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      • Corky

         /  September 21, 2018

        Good on ya, Rob.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 21, 2018

          Robert, I believe that it was MH who said of a man sitting on his verandah having a beer that it was the taxpayers – you -who were paying for him to do this. It was a story about an area with a highish unemployment rate.

          In fact the man was a forestry or sawmill worker who had come off work after a long, hard day’s work and was relaxing with a cold beer as he was fully entitled to do.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  September 21, 2018

            Actually he was equally “fully entitled” to relax with a cold beer if he was a beneficiary …

            He and any other beneficiary is also legally entitled – in the sense of “allowed” – to have cars, boats, houses, televisions, computers, cellphones and all manner of consumer goods as well …

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            • Corky

               /  September 21, 2018

              Quite true, Parti. However, in other countries he wouldn’t have that right because they don’t take other peoples money to give to other people to have a free beer.

            • PartisanZ

               /  September 21, 2018

              Really?

              You mean other countries don’t have welfare arrangements whereby people are entitled to spend their welfare dollar as they please …?

              Convince me …

            • Corky

               /  September 21, 2018

              No, they don’t have welfare as we know it. So spending a welfare dollar how they please isn’t part of the equation.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 21, 2018

              You know what I meant. PZ. The implication was that he was lounging around drinking beer at the expense of the taxpayer. The truth was that he was a hard worker who was having a beer at the end of a working day. It was said very judgementally, as if he had no right to be drinking a beer (one beer !) because he was a beneficiary….which he wasn’t, anyway.

              He was filmed without his consent and labelled something that he wasn’t, based on nothing but MH’s prejudice on nationwide television.

            • PartisanZ

               /  September 21, 2018

              I don’t care if you did mean that Miss Kitty … It wouldn’t have mattered if he WAS a beneficiary …

              He might have been a hard-working man from the forestry or any other damned industry who was temporarily out of work and therefore on a Job Seeker benefit … having a beer …

              Plenty of people are short-term beneficiaries between jobs …

              He might have once been a hard worker who buggered his back or had head injuries or fuck knows what else and was on the invalid’s benefit … having a beer …

              You actually seem to harbour the same punitive benefit-basher mentality that Mikey does …

        • lurcher1948

           /  September 21, 2018

          DOWN TICKED YOU BOTH,damn that feels good

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      • lurcher1948

         /  September 21, 2018

        RG that was a harsh statement,im hurt

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 21, 2018

          PZ, you must be doing a Corky and deliberately missing the point and twisting what I said.

          If I did agree with MH, I wouldn’t have said that he was judgemental. There are few things more tiresome than someone distorting something that one has said and twisting to mean the opposite.

          When you say that you don’t care if I did mean that, it sounds as if you’re saying that you don’t want to know because it would mean that your point would be lost, You don’t want to know because you want to do a rant that depends upon someone having said something that you can leap on and sneer at, and you ‘don’t care’ that they said no such thing, that they obviously meant the opposite and that you are simply being disagreeable for the sake of it.

          I am not going to explain again what I said and meant, you don’t want to know because you don’t want not to be able to put words in my mouth.

          That’s trolling. I can’t stop you doing it but I needn’t hand you the opportunity to be a troll at my expense.

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        • robertguyton

           /  September 21, 2018

          Lurcher – I was referring to Hoskings. I always attend to what you say. It’s so easy to misconstrue things on blogs, isn’t it!

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  3. I went to my local chemist today, to get a prescription filled.. I asked the chemist.. ‘Is there any news on medicinal cannabis; CBDs etc. ?’ to which he replied ‘Its likely still years away in NZ’ I said that I had been researching it on the net & it looks increasingly like NZ is one of the last OECD countries to move on this’ he said ‘Only a few USA states & a couple of countries have allowed it’.. so I rattled off: ‘Canada, over half USA states, much of EU/UK, some Aust. states, parts of Sth America & recently Sth Africa.. have decrim. or regulated some uses of cannabis’.. he should shrugged his shoulders & said ‘I think your wrong mate’

    Ignorance… maybe bliss, but misinfo. & apathy are part of the reason we HAVE moved to the ‘back of the pack’ on this issue ! 😦

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  4. Corky

     /  September 21, 2018

    Can you believe this fucking idiot???? 😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃..and a sniggger.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/09/andrew-little-mocks-rival-politicians-in-hilarious-spoof-video.html

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  September 21, 2018

      Hey corky That’s a great innovative way to find youth for Labour…
      Did you know Kim Kardashian cries daily about the size of her butt.
      Yea I know crazy butt apparently it’s true I read it in the Hub

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    • Gezza

       /  September 21, 2018

      I liked it ! He’s so bloody dour it was quite funny to see him just gettin’ down with some fun. They powered thru quickly – he’s not a natural so probably a good idea. Great ending. Onya Andy. 😀

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  September 21, 2018
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  6. Corky

     /  September 21, 2018

    This doesn’t sound right. But these people should know.

    https://spectator.us/2018/09/tech-gurus-kids-smartphones/

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  7. PartisanZ

     /  September 21, 2018

    Wow … nothing about the TWG report today … yet the media is full of it … Newsroom –

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/09/20/245589/tax-working-group-report-made-easy-infographic?preview=1

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/09/20/245596/could-the-tax-working-group-drive-investment-away?preview=1

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/09/20/245791/too-complex-and-banks-too-crafty

    “The Tax Working Group tried, but failed to come up with a workable way of taxing financial services and transactions – stymied by the predicted reaction of banks and their ability to just relocate activity across the Tasman.”

    They “shied away” from everything outside the status quo by the sound of it. Even after ‘The Future of Work’ they seem to have shied away from changing how small business is taxed?

    Disappointing? Onwards and upwards with property speculation I guess?

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  8. Pickled Possum

     /  September 21, 2018

    Auckland Council and the Department of Conservation planned the 1080 drop to reduce pest numbers and maintain the natural habitat of the Hunua Ranges. Pest levels had risen again after a successful 2015 operation.

    pest levels risen again after 3 years and they call that drop successful. WANKERS

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12129363

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  September 21, 2018

      Well, they have been down for three years, so I would call that successful. It’s an ongoing thing, alas.

      I don’t like 1080, but I do like native birds being safe from possums who destroy their habitat and predators who eat the birds.

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  9. PartisanZ

     /  September 21, 2018

    “Kurt Andersen writes in ‘Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire: A 500-Year History’, “Mix epic individualism with extreme religion; mix show business with everything else; let all that steep and simmer for a few centuries; run it through the anything-goes 1960s and the Internet age; the result is the America we inhabit today, where reality and fantasy are weirdly and dangerously blurred and commingled.”

    I have already covered the fallacy of targeting systemic problems with only superficial technology solutions. Tesla’s vehicle manufacturing operations stem directly from Musk’s decisions — from the design cues and functionality of vehicles to production targets. Hence, these core operations must be evaluated through Musk’s estimates and executive decisions on auto manufacturing. Unfortunately, his record here is extremely bleak, and actually detracts from the goal of “accelerating the world’s transition to sustainable energy.”

    For instance, unnecessarily powerful powertrains that put out blistering zero-to-60 mph times do not advance the efficient use of energy. The overly complicated falcon-wing doors on the Model X only increase design, manufacturing, and service energy and resource consumption, making production processes unnecessarily complex and inefficient. Skipping beta production only ensures poor quality and higher parts turnover …”

    View story at Medium.com

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  10. robertguyton

     /  September 21, 2018

    A post for tomorrow, Pete! Great news!!!

    “Great News!

    “Greenpeace Executive Director, Dr Russel Norman, and climate activist Sara Howell, have been discharged without conviction following action they took to stop the world’s largest oil and gas exploration ship searching for fossil fuels off the Wairarapa Coast.”

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1809/S00270/historic-discharge-without-conviction-for-greenpeace-head.htm

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 21, 2018

      Bugger. More crooks set free to roam the land and sea.

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    • phantom snowflake

       /  September 21, 2018

      Simon ‘Anadarko’ Bridges will be seriously pissed!

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    • Gezza

       /  September 21, 2018

      A post for tomorrow, Pete! Great news!!!
      Why not write a guest post and email it to him?
      I’ve done that sometimes.

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  11. robertguyton

     /  September 21, 2018

    “Victory!

    Back in 2017, Greenpeace activists Russel Norman and Sara Howell protested against a foreign seismic survey ship as it explored for oil. The protest violated National’s “Anadarko amendment”, a law specifically outlawing protest against the oil industry at sea. But today, despite MBIE’s efforts to persecute them, they were discharged without conviction:
    Two Greenpeace activists who disrupted an oil exploration vessel have been discharged without conviction.

    Greenpeace executive director Russel Norman and fellow activist Sara Howell appeared in Napier District Court in July to apply for a discharge without conviction after admitting a charge of interfering with an oil exploration vessel.

    […]

    Judge Tompkins said if Norman and Howell were convicted they would receive a more serious penalty than Mulvay [who had been given diversion] “when all three were equally involved in exactly the same sequence of events”.

    The Judge said the gravity of the offending was low and the effect of convictions for the pair would be out of all proportion to the gravity of the offence.”

    I/S

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 21, 2018

      Obviously the judge wasn’t paying the costs incurred because of the protest.

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    • Gezza

       /  September 21, 2018

      I’d be interested to see the actual decision.

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      • Gezza

         /  September 21, 2018

        Co-offender Gavin Mulvay, who was not a Greenpeace employee or member, had accepted diversion, without conviction, in the early stages of prosecution.

        The discharge without conviction was opposed by MBIE through prosecutor Cameron Stuart who had highlighted the dangers which had been involved. The ship, towing 8km of cables and equipment spanning over a kilometre wide, was forced into an eight-hour, 360-degree manoeuvre to avoid a mishap and reposition itself. It had cost “hundreds of thousands of dollars”, said Stuart, who also cited Greenpeace media campaigning, including a media release two days ahead of yesterday’s sentencing hearing, as reflecting a lack of genuine concern about the dangers he said were posed by their actions.

        Defence counsel Mansfield said prosecution claims of risk to safety were an overstatement, the protest was “low-level civil disobedience” to bring about change, for the benefit of the community and future generations, and convictions would discourage freedom to protest.

        Mansfield said the pair were prepared to donate $3000 each to Coastguard New Zealand as part of the outcome if there were no conviction, but in today’s decision Judge Tompkins said there should not be a pre-condition to the discharge.
        More …
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12129460

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