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  1. sorethumb

     /  September 23, 2018

    Get the low-down on Decolonisation – John Moore
    Beyond essentilaising Maori

    The anti-colonial framework used by those who discuss Maori oppression in New Zealand, acts to essentialise Maori as a people. Maori are viewed as a people with a shared world outlook, a shared social reality, and a common social position within the capitalist socio-economic order. Such an approach is deeply flawed.

    Rather than Maori being a homogenous socio-cultural group, Maoridom is in fact made up of peoples with various worldviews, lived experiences, and in various positions of either relative privilege or positions of oppression within society. Reducing all Maori lived reality down to the single factor of being a colonised people, within a colonial capitalist system, fails to account for the growing divisions that exist within Maoridom itself.
    http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2017/01/john-moore-the-politics-of-indigeneity-in-aotearoa-new-zealand-in-2017.html

    ‘”Woman of Colour” Emma Espiner retweets Anne Hathaway’s pathetic assertions on “white privilege”

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  2. David

     /  September 23, 2018

    I would suggest the refugee position would have more support and integration would be cheaper and quicker and more successful if we took this approach.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/22/iran-sentenced-us-to-death-for-being-christian-pray-america-will-welcome-more-grateful-refugees-like-us.html

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  September 23, 2018

      Not necessarily. Being Christian is not a race, and there are many kinds of Christian, An Ethopian Copt would not feel at home here any more than we would in Ethiopia. All the refugees that I have ever met have been glad to be here, inc. the Muslim UN interpreters who risked their lives to help NZ. Many now live in Hamilton and have integrated well

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  3. sorethumb

     /  September 23, 2018

    Nation Destroying: Sovereignty and Dispossession in Aotearoa New Zealand
    In this piece, Ben Rosamond addresses the nature of the form of sovereign political power imposed in Aotearoa through colonisation.

    After an initial period of largely peaceful coexistence, European settlers driven by the demands of international capital appropriated Māori lands, began large-scale industrial exploitation of natural resources, and ensured through brutal force that Māori could no longer survive in the manner they had for centuries prior, forcing them instead into wage labour and capitalist production. As we previously noted, however, before these violent economic processes could be put into practice, settlers acting in the interests of capital accumulation had to dispossess Māori of their political power over the land of Aotearoa.

    A unique Māori political order, with its own concepts and mechanisms of power, law and justice, had existed on this land for centuries before the arrival of European settlers. One of the first acts undertaken by these settlers, before the establishment of the capitalist mode of production, was the destruction of this Māori political system, and the laying of the foundations of another regime based on the principles of European political philosophy as found in the work of Jean Bodin, Thomas Hobbes, and Immanuel Kant.6 In their quest to establish a state based on these principles, early emissaries of the British government dismissed the Māori political order, rangatiratanga, as a backwards and savage system of political relations, unsuitable for ruling over the civilised settlers.7 At the same time, Māori were shocked at the treatment of British settlers and soldiers by their political and military superiors, who operated on a strictly hierarchical model.8

    The elephant in the room is carrying capacity. You cannot have large scale production without division of labour: people become “wage slaves”. Benjamin Franklin observed that white children abducted and raised by Native Americans preferred the bush to civilisation by 10/13. In socialist analysis there always seems to be a naivety about how the economy functions and the role of incentives.

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  4. robertguyton

     /  September 23, 2018

    TRIPLE AAA
    “Remember all the doom and gloom about the country’s economic future and how the economy was going to hell in a hand basket and how business confidence was crashing?

    Moodys must have missed the memo because they have recently confirmed New Zealand’s AAA credit rating.”

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    • sorethumb

       /  September 23, 2018

      You are supposed to be a Green, our economy is still running on immigration. The quality of life is going south has gone south. Wages have been falling in tourism and hospitality since 1979 (while the sector mushrooms). The Greens have always reached for their snuff at suggestions of curbing immigration.
      https://www.wsj.com/articles/anger-over-tourists-swarming-vacation-hot-spots-sparks-global-backlash-1527000130

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      • robertguyton

         /  September 23, 2018

        The quality of life is going south has gone long ago went south.

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        • Gezza

           /  September 23, 2018

          I believe that’s thumbsta’s point. It appears Moodys likes things the way they are, after 9 long years of National.

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          • robertguyton

             /  September 23, 2018

            When pressing on a thumbtack, it’s best to apply one’s thumb to the flat, rather than pointed end if you wish to avoid…a sore thumb. I agree that the rating isn’t one that the Greens would ordinarily celebrate, being opposed to the usual economic models of measuring well being, but in this case, as part of a coalition that has received undeserved criticism for it’s ability to run the economy well by conventional measures, they seem happy to thumb their noses at National and her warbling supporters and say, we’ve done better than expected, in fact, better than you did. Politics, it’s a mess.

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            • Gezza

               /  September 23, 2018

              Good point.

            • sorethumb

               /  September 23, 2018

              The cosmopolitan, internationalist point of view has come to dominate organised environmental parties and groups.18 As Table 3 shows, people who are members of environmental groups are twice as likely to support an increase in immigration as are the sample as a whole, and 11 per cent less likely to say that the numbers are too high. One contributor to Habitat, the magazine of the Australian Conservation Foundation, puts it like this: It is unfair for Australians … to squander and overuse resources, while people in developing nations suffer without even their basic needs. … To reduce immigration from underdeveloped countries means to continue to keep those people in squalid, horrible conditions. The issue of the environment is global, and it is easer for us, in developed nations, to address the issue … … The more people who come here, to Australia, the better. With our ever increasing population, we will feel the pinch of environmental impact just that much stronger and get off our backsides and start living sustainably. … [P]reventing those who sustain our over-consumption (for example, people in developing countries) from becoming our equals (by allowing them to live by our laws) is … unfair, or even more so — it’s disrespectful, too, because we are using the idea of ‘them’ and ‘us’. We are all in this together.19 Resistance to immigration-fuelled population growth is concentrated among people who say they would never consider joining such a group. The argument about population growth in Australia, such as it is, consists of environmental costs versus economic gains for interest groups centred on the housing and development, together with rights for asylum seekers. But as Tables 2 and 3 show, most Greens voters and organised environmentalists do not support this environmental argument. Popular support for population control, whether it be for environmental or other reasons, lies elsewhere.
              https://katharinebetts.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/cosmopolitans-patriots-2005.pdf

  5. sorethumb

     /  September 23, 2018

    UN Refugee Chief Denies Migrant Crisis in Europe, Declares Mass Migration a ‘Source of Progress and Prosperity’
    Debate in Europe framing illegal immigration from the third world as a problem is “dangerous”, the United Nations (UN) refugee chief has warned, insisting that the mass movement of peoples has been “a source of progress and prosperity since people first began to migrate”.
    “Distorted” political debate on the subject has led to Europe becoming “obsessed” with a migrant crisis that “does not exist”, Filippo Grandi said, urging EU politicians to stop squabbling “over a few boats” [of illegal immigrants].

    In an interview published in the German press Thursday, he dismissed plans backed by Austria and Italy among other member states which would see asylum processing offshored and immigrants blocked from reaching European soil.
    https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/09/22/un-refugee-chief-denies-migrant-crisis-in-europe-declares-mass-migration-a-source-of-progress-and-prosperity/

    Creepy supra-nationals.

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  6. MrT is about to address the UN.. to RAMP UP The global Drug War, in-line with Duterte (Phillipines) & other brutal regimes, that support the Death Penalty!

    https://www.drugpolicy.org/press-release/2018/09/trump-host-un-meeting-drug-policy-promising-photo-op-countries-rally-behind

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  September 23, 2018

    So Monday at work is going to be interesting for this righty, what sort of going away present will he be given, hot tongue or cold shoulder, or someone saying WTF were you smoking
    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/09/face-of-the-day-1774/

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    • Trevors_elbow

       /  September 24, 2018

      what does that little paint inspired rant even mean? are you suggesting academics shouldnt speak out in favour of free speech?

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  September 23, 2018

    The stupid so called leader of the free world,i dare you to turn the sound…up.

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  September 23, 2018

    A GOP,Trump supporter speaks his mind and it doesn’t end well for this racist thicko
    https://t.co/adCfcXG59c

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  September 23, 2018

    I know Chuck Bird, he posts here PG, welcome back Chuck
    Chuck Bird
    She is a lesbian who rails against political correctness.

    Would that make her the first lesbian head of state?

    Thumb up 2 Thumb down 3 LOG IN TO REPLY REPORTSEPTEMBER 23, 2018 2:25PM
    Chuck is commenting on the leader of Germany, NOT our PM, stolen from the HATEFEAST,kiwiblog

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  11. lurcher1948

     /  September 23, 2018

    Stale pale white geriatrics run the USA with handmaidens for sexual relief, you could make a tv series
    https://t.co/2niSMsjqRz

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