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23 September 2018

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33 Comments

    • David

       /  September 24, 2018

      Are these the same people who missed the GFC, the same ones that would put an investment grade rating on a bundle of mortgages where the borrowers only qualification was they could fog a mirror.

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      • Blazer

         /  September 24, 2018

        the very same ones that National crowed about on their website when they rated NZ Aaa under National.

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  1. PartisanZ

     /  September 24, 2018

    More about the Oiligarch Technocracy’s pipe-dream of self-driving cars –

    ‘Self-driving cars: The end of the “sports” car?’ – David Watson – Medium Daily Digest

    What’s the point in a “sports” car if it drives the same as an eco model?

    View story at Medium.com

    “A car is not a toy, it is a grave responsibility.”

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  2. unitedtribes2

     /  September 24, 2018

    Its the 10th anniversary of the Global Financial Crises. One wonders if Phil Twyford is hell bent on creating another one here.
    “At the heart of this disaster was a 1995 amendment to the US Community Reinvestment Act, which imposed on banks a legal requirement to lend money to buy homes to millions of poor, mainly black Americans, guaranteed by the two biggest US mortgage associations, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    No one had campaigned more actively for this change to the law than a young but already influential Chicago politician, Barack Obama. It was this Act that, more than anything, helped to create the US housing bubble, well beyond the point where it was obvious that hundreds of thousands of homeowners would be likely to default. And in 2005, when moves were made to halt Fannie Mae’s reckless guarantees, no one more actively opposed them than the man who, by then, had become Senator Obama.”
    Watch this space

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    • unitedtribes2

       /  September 24, 2018

      Missed the header. Is Phil Twyford trying to create a GFC here

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    • Blazer

       /  September 24, 2018

      this is the bankers excuse..thoroughly discredited…’It was this Act that, more than anything, helped to create the US housing bubble,’

      Alan Greenspan and the repeal of Glass Steagal unleashed predatory lending and a venality never seen before as the bankers ignored,morals,ethics,prudence in a frenzy of rapacious misfeasance and criminality .

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      • unitedtribes2

         /  September 24, 2018

        Still is a point though Blazer. Twyford is using any trick he can to get first home buyers to borrow to buy an overpriced 40 square meter crap home. With his other hand he is doing his best to trash the value of it. Cant see that working out well.

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        • Blazer

           /  September 24, 2018

          no its not a point at all.
          Those bankers ,those Vampire Squid, Wall St criminals imposed QE on the world and that is why those 40sq metre crap homes are at ludicrous prices in a country with the land mass of Gt Britain and only a 12th of the population.

          A magic show that will collapse sometime..??

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  3. robertguyton

     /  September 24, 2018

    “Sullen enemies of the new order, they wait for their colonial overlords’ to make a mistake.”
    http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2018/09/has-neoliberalism-colonised-our-minds.html
    That’s what I’m talking about.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  September 24, 2018

      Nga mihi nui kia koe Robert … excellent article … I’ve frequently more-or-less equated neoliberalism with neo-colonialism … Nice to have my bias confirmed …

      “The parallels with the arrival of neoliberal ideology are striking. There was the same extraordinary confidence that the new economic doctrine was, essentially, irresistible. That, putting it in the simplest terms, there was “no alternative”.”

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    • Blazer

       /  September 24, 2018

      very good article Robert…noted …’We, too, have constructed an underclass whose full citizenship and personhood is routinely denied in overcrowded prisons; at the counter of the local WINZ office; and by “unconsciously biased” teachers, medics and cops.’

      This bias is embedded in alot of otherwise decent reasonable ..people…unfortunately.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  September 24, 2018

      Bookmarked in fact …

      “With their old leaders and old institutions gone, the populations of the advanced western economies found themselves in the same powerless position as the victims of colonisation.

      Uncertain as to whether resistance or accommodation offered them the best hope of individual and familial security, they became involuntary participants in the complete transformation of their societies.”

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 24, 2018

      A load of pretentious Trotter tripe. The populist revolts are against the political elites and bureaucracies manipulating law and markets to benefit themselves. That is an attack on the antithesis of neoliberalism.

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  4. PartisanZ

     /  September 24, 2018

    “There is no reason such a system, or one derivative of it, could not once again serve as the animating force for political life in this land. In a process of constitutional transformation, in which political power is re-possessed by groups from whom it was taken, the state that is constituted will necessarily take on a new content, even if it lives on in old forms.

    Kohanga Reo early childcare centres serve as a practical example. Daycare of this sort has no direct precedent in Māori society before colonisation, but arose following traditional principles to fill a need for Māori-oriented childcare, especially in rural communities. Kohanga teach traditional Māori values, language and culture without directly approximating any traditional form.

    The models suggested by Matike Mai may require similar formal innovation, or take place largely through the same institutions that exist now, but will require the blooming of new content based on the values and principles provided in tikanga.”

    sorethumb, why did you of all people post a section of this article and link to it?

    https://esra.nz/nation-destroying-sovereignty-dispossession-aotearoa-new-zealand/

    “Returning political power to Māori does not mean disempowering everyone else. Rather, constitutional transformation of the sort advocated by Matike Mai challenges the people of this country to think about how to change our political system for the better, for all New Zealanders.”

    I can only assume that for all the proponents of “free speech” and open-minded investigation – which Righties constantly claim they are – this stuff is literally so terrifying that merely posting it on a blog suffices to declaim, denigrate and deny its validity in the melee of social democratic exchange fostered by our ancient, enlightened tradition of liberal education …?

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  5. robertguyton

     /  September 24, 2018

    “People rarely change their minds in the course of formal public debate. Not the people on stage, and very few of those in the audience. Years of robust debate in my capacity as a commentator and journalist have taught me that you don’t change minds simply by pointing out where someone is wrong. As a dear friend once told me, trying to bring someone over to your side by publicly demonstrating that their ideas are bad and that they should feel bad is like trying to teach a goat how to dance: the goat will not learn to dance, and you will make him angry. The ways people actually change their minds is by reading the mood of those around them and then going away and thinking about it, by being given permission to think what they were already thinking, or by being shamed into realizing how ignoble their assumptions always were.”

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  6. robertguyton

     /  September 24, 2018

    “The far right are not themselves committed to the principle of free speech. Far from it. In my encounters with neo-nationalists and professional alt-right trolls I have found them remarkably litigious — more than willing to use money and legal threats to silence their more serious critics. I’ve been legally prohibited from describing racists as racists. That’s why you’ll see so many news outlets use phrases like “alleged white supremacist” or “the deportation policy, which critics have described as xenophobic.” It’s not because there’s serious doubt over where these people stand, it’s because journalists are silenced by threats from speech “defenders” who have the money and spite to shut down their critics.”

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  7. robertguyton

     /  September 24, 2018

    “If we deny racists a platform, they feed off the appearance of censorship, but if we give them a platform, they’ve won by being respectfully invited into the mainstream. Either way, what matters to them is not debate, but attention. There is no perfect choice.

    But there is a choice, and this, to my mind, is the sensible one: To refuse to dignify these people with prestigious public platforms, or to share them. To refuse to offer them airtime or engage them in public debate.”

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  8. Corky

     /  September 24, 2018

    Great feel good story for Parti. It has every element a communist would desire.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12130629

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    • robertguyton

       /  September 24, 2018

      Help me out here, Corky: what is the problem? Is what she said not true? Did she not say it in an effort to get waggers to stop wagging, or at least be aware of phenomena that pertain to them ? Appreciate any comment from you.
      “Crawford gave a speech saying students who wagged were “highly likely to go to prison, either commit domestic violence or be a victim of domestic violence, be illiterate, be a rape victim, be a suicide victim, be unemployed for the majority of their life, have a major health problem, die at an early age, have an addiction, gambling, drugs or smoking”.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  September 24, 2018

        Ask mikey,this rich prick has all the answers and knows EVERYTHING,

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      • Corky

         /  September 24, 2018

        Reword you question.

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        • Corky

           /  September 24, 2018

          *your*

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        • robertguyton

           /  September 24, 2018

          Reword my question? It’s…straightforward enough, I thought. I think, because I was completely on your “side” with this, you thought I’d misspoke. I’ll take the opposite position now; the reason there’re protests is because Maori students and parents recognise that the criticism is of Maori and therefore, them. All of those “outcomes” listed are regularly listed in discussions about Maori disfunction. Are you happier now? Got me pinned?

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  September 24, 2018

    So the right represented by kiwiblog wish to run the country(into the ground) again,but they DONT KNOW WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK IT IS and the right want themselves back in power,god forbid amateurs
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/09/general_debate_26_september_2018.html

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  10. Gezza

     /  September 24, 2018

    From the 1ewes at 6 item in the first segment by Rebecca Wright, their US reporter, Jacinda is going down great guns in New York. Extremely well sought after. Nice clip of her talking and shaking hands with the UN Secretary General, sensible, very diplomatic comments from her in reply to some of the big issues at the UN at the moment, very diplomatic about Trump.

    They showed footage of her on some female-oriented talk show surrounded by a panel of very excited female celebrity interviewers hanging on her every word; including a nice short clip where one of them said they’d all had a look at her baby, whom she’d brought along to the venue in her pram, and that she looked very peaceful – to which Jacinda laughingly replied: “She wasn’t at 3 am this morning” to general merriment and approval.

    We got a very quick glimpse of Clarke only fussing about with bubs in the pram.

    Jacinda has various other appearances scheduled including with Stephen Colbert coming up. Definitely getting the celebrity treatment. Doing us proud, actually.

    Good stuff, Jacinda.

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    • Gezza

       /  September 24, 2018

      PS: Kitty would be appalled at what she was wearing; typically “down home”, but I think that’s becoming part of her charm.

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    • They said she was at athe centre of something to do with Trump but she didn’t want to say much about it, which sounds more like the sideline.

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      • Gezza

         /  September 24, 2018

        I can’t be bothered watching it again but I got the impression it was the WTO and trade wars debate.

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        • Gezza

           /  September 24, 2018

          I didn’t get the impression they were saying she was important to it, just that the issue was.

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      • Gezza

         /  September 24, 2018

        One thing she does seem to be creating overseas is a point of difference angle for New Zealand; that we can potentially capitalise off in numerous ways, PG.

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