Open Forum – Wednesday

25 September 2018

Forum

This post is open to anyone to comment on any topic that isn’t spam, illegal or offensive. All Your NZ posts are open but this one is for you to raise topics that interest you. 

If providing opinions on or summaries of other information also provide a link to that information. Bloggers are welcome to summarise and link to their posts.

Comments worth more exposure may be repeated as posts.Comments from other forums can be repeated here, cut and paste is fine.

Your NZ is a mostly political and social issues blog but not limited to that, and views from anywhere on the political spectrum are welcome. Some ground rules:

  • If possible support arguments, news, points or opinions with links to sources and facts.
  • Please don’t post anything illegal, potentially defamatory or abusive.

FIRST TIME COMMENTERS: Due to abuse by a few, first comments under any ID will park in moderation until released (as soon as possible but it can sometimes take a while).

Sometimes comments will go into moderation or spam automatically due to mistyped ID, too many links (>4), or trigger text or other at risk criteria.

Free speech is an important principle here but some people who might pose a risk to the site may be limited.

Next Post
Leave a comment

81 Comments

  1. David

     /  September 26, 2018

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107367082/bruising-allegations-levelled-at-labours-meka-whaitiri

    This is somewhat disturbing and if even close to true she does not belong in parliament and certainly Kelvin Davis spouting that it is a Maori thing that we the opposition dont understand is an outrageous statement of epic proportions.

    Reply
  2. lurcher1948

     /  September 26, 2018

    Who is more important on the world stage at the moment,PM Jacinda Aderns baby or Simon Bridges just asking

    Reply
    • David

       /  September 26, 2018

      Bridges catching Ardern out as being outrageously deceptive and far from honest is far more important than some irrelevant w…fest at the worlds least effective organisation.
      Good for tourism but aside from that she isnt going to advance NZs interests in any shape or form.

      Reply
      • robertguyton

         /  September 26, 2018

        Tracy Watkins writes:
        “The document trail points to a friendly relationship between Ardern and Handley that appears to go beyond her previous indication of a cursory and largely one-way exchange about the ICT job. Though it does not contradict her to the extent that Ardern could be accused of not telling the truth.”
        Righties will batter away with their “she tells lies” caterwaul forever, as opponents of John Key did when he was Liar Leader of the National Government but only the more hard-bitten of those who want National back in power will take any notice at all. The lists of “John Key lies” will have irritated his sycophants, and they’ll feel justified in trying the same technique on Jacinda, but, it was tiresome then and it’s tiresome now. Tracy Watkins has it right.

        Reply
        • David

           /  September 26, 2018

          Trouble is Robert is everyone knows Ardern is hopelessly out of her depth that the least she could do is be honest, our expectations were raised high in that regard by her.

          Reply
          • robertguyton

             /  September 26, 2018

            What nonsense, David. Your expectations, you say, were raised higher by her? Is that true? Were your expectations raised, David? I suspect you have been down on Labour and it’s Leader and the coalition, for e ver.

            Reply
  3. lurcher1948

     /  September 26, 2018

    The world laughed at POTUS#45 as I do.

    Reply
  4. PartisanZ

     /  September 26, 2018

    “Today, a massive amount of epidemiological data associates heart disease with chronic emotional disorder — or disruption of the metaphorical heart.”

    View story at Medium.com

    “Nothing is broken (except perhaps “the system”). The body is responding exactly in the way it should to the chronic fight-or-flight circumstances in which it finds itself.”

    Reply
    • PartisanZ

       /  September 26, 2018

      ‘When Heartbreak Causes Heart Attacks’ – medium.com (I can’t post the link)

      “Data is beginning to show the link between prolonged emotional distress and heart disease”

      Reply
      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 26, 2018

        The Victorians knew this (and people long before, probably) There are many accounts in Victorian literature of a ‘broken heart’ causing not literally a broken physical heart but shortening someone’s life. The expression ‘a broken heart’ seems to have been used in a more serious way than it often is now. Look at the beginning of Nicholas Nickleby.

        Reply
  5. Corky

     /  September 26, 2018

    A life well lived. Just rewards. A Righties birth right. Good work, son.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2018/09/mike-hosking-and-kate-hawkesby-buy-4-5m-matakana-home-report.html

    Mikey also nailed rental market problems this morning. TradeMe rental listings are plummeting.

    Reply
  6. Corky

     /  September 26, 2018

    Even by NZ feral standards this story is APPALLING. People had a go me yesterday about druggies. And of course, I’m always accused of racism because I have little time for Maoridom as a collective. Geez, have a guess why.

    This area is so bad there was a major car crash as filming was taking place.

    If you want to know the future of Aotearoa, this clip will give you a glimpse.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/09/maori-wardens-to-ride-rotorua-buses-after-driver-attacked.html

    Reply
    • Kitty Catkin

       /  September 26, 2018

      You seem to think that nobody else watches the news.

      There was one car in the crash.

      Reply
  7. robertguyton

     /  September 26, 2018

    “I used to trail around with John Key where he would battle and fight for moments like this. It’s being handed to her on a plate. You can tell she’s enjoying it. You can tell Clarke [Gayford] is enjoying it. And I think it’s great and we’ve got to embrace it.”

    Reply
    • High Flying Duck

       /  September 26, 2018

      Certainly the fluff pieces come to Jacinda more easily than any previous Prime Minister – it’s the serious stuff she has to battle and fight for.

      Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 26, 2018

      Just Lefties indulging in fantasies to cheer themselves up, Lurch.

      Reply
      • lurcher1948

         /  September 26, 2018

        Alan get out on the main road and bark at passing cars along with Simon Bridges,as Kriss F said live everyday Simon as if it’s your last as Judith is coming Simon for your scalp

        Reply
  8. robertguyton

     /  September 26, 2018

    Eugenie Sage slams Todd McClay over thar! She’s feisty as! Who’d have thought the mild-mannered Green MP could sock it to those old hacks, like a pro! National’s neglect, National’s failure…Go Eugenie!

    Reply
  9. robertguyton

     /  September 26, 2018

    The ammunition dealers won’t supply DoC, in order to thwart the proposed control activity?
    There’s a scandal!

    Reply
    • Gezza

       /  September 26, 2018

      Yep. Banging a drum over nothing there, National is.

      Couple of awkward ones for Ministers. Will review them later. Got lawns to mow. Still some potential mileage out of those CTO emails and any other communications once Megan Woods crew has finished processing them under the OIA and releases them (Q12, Smith).

      Reply
      • David

         /  September 26, 2018

        Peters made an absolute fool of himself with his supplementary, that was very embarrassing and quite funny.

        Reply
      • robertguyton

         /  September 26, 2018

        Tahr very much, Sarah!
        “@nzsarahdowie the Minister is required to stick to the Thar Control Plan 1993 by s 5B(b) of the Wild Animal Control Act 1977. The plan requires tahr numbers to be kept below 10,000. They’re currently 1000s over. Do you think the Minister should just ignore what the law requires?”

        Reply
      • Gezza

         /  September 26, 2018

        This was the other Question I was thinking of – Finlayson having a bit of fun with Davis & Peters in his supplementaries. Kelvin Davis says the Treaty created a partnership, Winston Peters says it doesn’t – which Minister is right? Is it or isn’t it?

        (Winston scored 6 extra supplementaries for the Opposition at the end, but Nick Smith or someone lost them again later on.)

        Reply
    • robertguyton

       /  September 26, 2018

      “National prioritise invasive species above alpine ecosystems”
      That’s an awful headline for the Nat’s!

      Reply
  10. robertguyton

     /  September 26, 2018

    Mack Daddy’s comment was funny:
    “Devastated at losing their Roads of National Significance, National forlornly look to save any kind of tahr they can.”
    I grafted apple trees whilst watching Question Time. Smith’s got nothing on the time it’s taking to release the emails. The Government has it covered – due process and all that. National can hardly make hay from delays to OIA’s, they practiced that throughout their term and gloated about doing so – do they really want to be reminded of that? In any case, the issue is an inconsequential one. The balanced commentators are not buying into the “Jacinda’s a liar” hysteria being whipped up by the desperate Right Wing. There’s just to much “John’s nose grew and grew and grew” sitting in the back of people’s minds. National seem to be flailing, buffing everything at it, including their own credibility.

    Reply
    • Gezza

       /  September 26, 2018

      The lies of previous administrations only continue to excite the haters of the previous administrations, robert. New lies and “less than honest”s are always the most interesting. The time frame for releasing these documents is neither here nor there, really. That’s just trying to get them offside with the speaker for not fronting up with them all when he said they should. What they’re really after is anything else a bit more juicy in the documents where Jacinda and co have been “less than honest”. I mean, they’ve been lucky here.

      The saintly truth-teller open and honest myth has well & truly gone down the dunny – but as I’ve said – as long as she doesn’t bang that drum again – she should probably be ok. With the some of the crew in this coalition suggesting they were all going to open and honest was pushing baby-poo uphill with a rake, imo.

      Handley’s got pissed off with the lot of them & dumped her in the grotney pudding. There’s only so much more mileage the Nats can probably get out of this shambles. I expect Handley won’t be a frequent visitor to their dinner parties, but you never know. Might be ok.

      Reply
  11. robertguyton

     /  September 26, 2018

    too, biffing

    Reply
  12. Corky

     /  September 26, 2018

    This was posted over at the Whalers. I think it deserves special mention. It’s what every dairy owner should be legally entitled to do. Top marks to the guard for a clean draw. A foul draw probably would have resulted in the guards death.

    Only the guilty took their lumps here.

    Reply
    • Gerrit

       /  September 26, 2018

      For those interested, this is what a foul draw looks like and the self inflicted 9mm entry and exit wounds resulting from the trigger finger operating the gun before the gun is cleared from the locking holster.

      Reply
  13. lurcher1948

     /  September 26, 2018

    [Unless you have solid evidence don’ accuse an MP of being a foreign spy here. Not only is it contrary to site protocols, it could put the site at legal risk. PG]

    Reply
  14. lurcher1948

     /  September 26, 2018

    [Deleted] DONT MENTION IT, it upsets PG [no, it puts this site at risk, as you have been told already.]

    Reply
    • robertguyton

       /  September 26, 2018

      [Evidence required. PG]
      Why isn’t Simon Bridges yap, yap, yapping about that ???
      Oh, I see….

      Reply
      • robertguyton

         /  September 26, 2018

        [Deleted]Boy, are you sensitive tonight!

        [Sensitive to irresponsible people putting this site at potential legal risk. No more warnings. PG]

        Reply
        • robertguyton

           /  September 26, 2018

          Legal risks??
          It’s not a legal matter! Leaking Bridges expenses is not breaking the law, is it??? If it was, and the police know who did it…jeeze!

          Reply
          • I’ve been threatened a number of times here re claimed defamation. I’ve been taken to court twice, and that has been quite costly in different ways – over three years in court is not something that I recommend to anyone.

            I have considered giving this up and spending the considerable amount of time I spend here on other things, especially when people think they can deliberately repeatedly do things they are asked not to do. One thing that keeps me going is a determination to hold people to account, and to not bow to people trying to trash this forum or do as they please in defiance of requests.

            I’ve spent the day in ED and am not in a mood to waste time with someone who wants to dictate how things should be here or ignore polite requests to abide by what I think are reasonable standards of conduct.

            Reply
            • robertguyton

               /  September 26, 2018

              Fair enough, Pete. I’ll stop.

            • Corky

               /  September 26, 2018

              Hope everything is OK, Pete. ED sucks the life out of patients and visitors in equal degrees.

            • I was supporting someone. Care was very good this time, best I’ve seem there, blood tests, x-ray and ct scan all in a few hours, and outcome ok.

            • And as well as that, I just found out my step-dad died tonight. I knew it was imminent but it still has an emotional wallop, he was a big part of the family.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 26, 2018

              I’m sorry to hear that, Pete. My apologies for unknowingly adding to your burden.

            • Corky

               /  September 26, 2018

              Sorry to hear that. All the best.

            • Gezza

               /  September 26, 2018

              Condolences PG. Sorry to hear that too.

  15. David

     /  September 26, 2018

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107394688/new-wally-haumaha-claims-levelled-at-winston-peters

    Pleasing to see Winston doing his bit to keep the governments reputation intact. 250k for an investigation into another appointment that is an absolute mess. 107k for Handley and no doubt another 100k in bureaucracy so its getting kinda expensive for the taxpayers for this government to fail to actually have an appointee start work.

    Reply
    • lurcher1948

       /  September 26, 2018

      Its hard losing but the child PM has a BAYBEEE and is WINNING, come back Sir Key why did you leave National AND SCAMPER AWAY (scared?)

      Reply
    • PDB

       /  September 26, 2018

      Winston up to his knees in it…..

      Reply
      • robertguyton

         /  September 26, 2018

        Bishop is a major liability to National, Pete – can’t you see it???

        Reply
        • It depends on whether he can back up his claims or not. Can’t you see that?

          Reply
          • robertguyton

             /  September 26, 2018

            Doesn’t matter. [Just a claim with no evidence. Dirty accusations again?]

            Reply
            • robertguyton

               /  September 26, 2018

              Wow! Knee-jerk deletion, Pete! I’ve read, many times, that [deleted repeat accusation with no evidence]Aren’t you being a bit over-zealous, deleting like this?? [No. I don’t think I can make it any more clear that repeating dirty accusations is not acceptable here. PG]

          • robertguyton

             /  September 26, 2018

            Surely you’re gonna do a “tahr” post, Pete! It’s a doozy! Bridges, advocating for a noxious pest that destroys native alpine plants – brilliant!!!
            “How the F**K does this stupidity by National fit with Bill’s $70m policy announced just days before the last election to make NZ predator free by 2050?”
            TS

            Reply
            • robertguyton

               /  September 26, 2018

              Hunters, flexing their muscle – good sign, aye! Those exotic, native plant-eating goats – gotta save them, even though their numbers have ballooned out way past the limits set by…National!

          • robertguyton

             /  September 26, 2018

            Dirty? Was it dirty when others claimed “it was Collins wot dun it!” or “Bennett, she spilled the beans! Or “Bridges dobbed himself in!” or ….any of a number of stabs at the leaker, Pete? Did you delete those comments?? You’re overly-defensive about Bishop – why is that???

            Reply
            • It’s not Bishop specific. I have made it clear many times that making accusations against politicians, especially repeatedly, with no evidence, is not appropriate here. It’s dirty politics and I discourage that, as you should be aware.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 26, 2018

              How about this from David:
              “Bridges catching Ardern out as being outrageously deceptive and far from honest”
              Accusations against a politician, unsubstantiated. Did you delete his claim? Why not?

              [How about this from me. I’m not going to get into arguments about various decisions. I don’t have time to carefully baby sit everyone all the time, and I choose when to make clear what I think is acceptable or not. It’s my prerogative. Not yours.]

            • robertguyton

               /  September 26, 2018

              ‘course it is, Pete, but you’re deleting mine, not others. Good with that?

            • You’re the one being an arse at the moment. Generally people here have learnt and respect what I’m doing.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 26, 2018

              Hope everything is OK, Pete. ED sucks the life out of patients and visitors in equal degrees.

            • Blazer

               /  September 26, 2018

              to be fair Bob..George is way more tolerant than most..Slater and Prentice both have an inferiority complex over compensated by NPD inside Dunning Kruger syndrome and are very erratic in..deleting/banning posters.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 26, 2018

              That’s true, Blazer. He does alright, aside from the occasional blow-out. Like tonight’s 🙂

  16. robertguyton

     /  September 26, 2018

    Well, Pete, just above you’ve posted a claim that there was a lack of consultation with recreational hunters and the hunting industry. You are aware, aren’t you, that National undertook a 2-year consultation on this issue, with recreational hunters and the hunting industry on the issue of tahr management? Dirty politics, that.

    Reply
  17. robertguyton

     /  September 26, 2018

    “It does appear National are very selective – oops I mean they suffer from selective amnesia when it suits them – as to their past antics when it came to the environment of New Zealand.
    National’s Simon Bridges almost relegated the Maui dolphins to extinction because all he could see was dollar signs for himself and National when it came to off-shore mining exploration.
    In 2014 this is what happened: A petition to “Sack Simon” climbed to more than 23,000 people following the revelation Mr Bridges offered the 3000km sq of the West Coast Marine Mammal Sanctuary for petroleum exploration. Mr Bridges told the Bay of Plenty Times the protest was unlikely to change anything.
    “There’s negligible risk to the Maui dolphin from petroleum activity and over 40 years of this on the west coast of the North Island or Taranaki there has not been a single reported incident where a Maui dolphin has been hurt by petroleum work.”
    The marine sanctuary is home to the critically endangered Maui’s dolphin, of which there are only 55 in the world.

    We all know National had a cavalier attitude when it came to the environment. They pursued money because it’s a God to them. They worship money more than they would ever care about what happens to the waterways of New Zealand.
    And so for National to ‘suddenly’ care about something shows a shallowness that is rampant through-out the whole National Party political system.
    I wouldn’t trust a National MP ever again. They are too selfish, self-centred, ego-ridden, greedy and a mess.”

    Reply
    • Gezza

       /  September 26, 2018

      Just on that claim of Bridges’ above:

      “There’s negligible risk to the Maui dolphin from petroleum activity and over 40 years of this on the west coast of the North Island or Taranaki there has not been a single reported incident where a Maui dolphin has been hurt by petroleum work.”

      Was this incorrect?

      Reply

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s