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  1. lurcher1948

     /  September 27, 2018

    So on AM this morning ,NZ is doing really well and business confidence has returned, expect grumpy posts from righties saying how can this be…its called the Jacinda effect

    • lurcher1948

       /  September 27, 2018

      Morning phantom downticker

    • PartisanZ

       /  September 27, 2018

      Lurchy … something weird is going on in the Cosmos when worms turn this quickly …

      Amazing yesterday to me … after the [20+year] ‘short march through institutions’ it took to foist Rogerednomics onto us, and indoctrinate us all with “Free Markets”, “Level Playing Fields” and globalization … The Righties are suddenly riding Trump’s bandwagon, “nationalism”, “patriotism” and “protectionism” …

      It’s freaky!

      • PartisanZ

         /  September 27, 2018

        Maybe that’s pragmatism for you …?

        The next bug bucks are to be made by seventh wave exploitation* of First World resources and labour (to a lesser-and-lesser extent of course) rather than Third & Emerging Worlds … ?

        Follow the money … [in reverse!] …

        * or whatever number exploitation wave the capitalist system is up to?

  2. sorethumb

     /  September 27, 2018

    • Gezza

       /  September 27, 2018

      Man, she does a stunning job of that! Cute little wave and thank you too. 😀

      • Blazer

         /  September 27, 2018

        fantastic…Herbal Life…ask me how..

        • High Flying Duck

           /  September 27, 2018

          How?

          • Blazer

             /  September 27, 2018

            do you want to sign up and change your life?
            I have some over priced vitamins for you…they will stop you getting alzheimers and even if you do…you won’t remember …anyway.

      • sorethumb

         /  September 27, 2018

        I wonder what her voice will be like when she is older?

  3. Blazer

     /  September 27, 2018

    Nationals recalicitrant liar still stirring…

    http://politik.co.nz/en/content/politics/1440/

  4. High Flying Duck

     /  September 27, 2018

    Thought for the day:

  5. sorethumb

     /  September 27, 2018

    Jordan Peterson analyses Democrat messaging. Looks interesting

    • Gezza

       /  September 27, 2018

      Hang on … I’ll have a look.

      • PartisanZ

         /  September 27, 2018

        “Not good to look for an enemy …”

        Oh please!

        “An opportunity to apologize and do better in future” …

        Would he ever do that?

        I just don’t see Jordan Peterson as a person to listen to about “ethical mistakes” …

        Some useful insights though … and maybe a message to the Republicans …

        • Gezza

           /  September 27, 2018

          Yes, well, I found that an interesting analysis. His point that the video carefully avoids attributing any blame the Democrats for having been willing parties to some of the very existing negatives it describes – including selling out to wealthy donors – is well-made and obvious.

          Otherwise good advice for the Democrats and the Republicans – although the Republicans would probably argue this is what they and Trump are all about anyway.

          I noticed the video studiously avoided showing anybody who was obviously Muslim in appearance – hijab or full beard, for example. I found that interesting.

          It’s slick – but would anybody believe the Democrats have really changed from who they’ve been?

  6. Blazer

     /  September 27, 2018

    History ..Israel explained..

  7. Gezza

     /  September 27, 2018

    Today’s Kweschun Toym at 2 pm.

    Paula’s might be tricky – No 1. No 4 (Todd McClay), and No 8 might be stink bombs, we’ll see. And No 10 – Chris Bishop to the Acting PM might be a ripper.

    Questions to Ministers
    1. Hon PAULA BENNETT N to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his Government’s statements and actions?
    2. Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH N to the Minister of Finance: Is it a goal of the Government’s economic development policy for New Zealanders to enjoy higher incomes?
    3. Dr DUNCAN WEBB L to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports has he seen on the New Zealand economy?
    4. Hon TODD McCLAY N to the Minister of Conservation: Has she done wrong by the hunting and tourism community in the way she has consulted on her department’s proposal to cull tahr; if not, why does she think the consultation she has undertaken has been appropriate?
    5. Hon NATHAN GUY N to the Minister for Biosecurity: How many passengers are estimated to have passed through the Green Lane at Auckland International Airport when a detector dog wasn’t working on that lane between the hours of 2 a.m. to 5 a.m. this year, and on how many days did this happen?
    6. JAMIE STRANGE L to the Minister of Health: What recent announcements has he made about the delivery of air ambulance services?
    7. Dr PARMJEET PARMAR N to the Minister of Research, Science and Innovation: Does she stand by her statement on her proposed R & D tax credit policy that “If no final decisions have been made, anything is possible”?
    8. JO HAYES N to the Minister for Whānau Ora: Is he still supportive of the principles and values of Whānau Ora; if so, what support does he have from his senior ministerial colleagues for the Whānau Ora policy?
    9. ANAHILA KANONGATA’A-SUISUIKI L to the Minister for Pacific Peoples: How is the Government promoting an understanding of Pacific languages, arts, and cultures overseas?
    10.CHRIS BISHOP N to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by his appointment of Wally Haumaha as Deputy Commissioner of Police, and does Mr Haumaha still enjoy his confidence?
    11. KIERAN McANULTY L to the Minister for Youth: What recent announcement has he made on the Youth Parliament?
    12. JENNY MARCROFT NZF to the Minister of Forestry: What insights can he offer about his recent trip to China and Japan?

    • Gezza

       /  September 27, 2018

      Winston’s there. Paula’s supplementaries are about Meka.

      • Gezza

         /  September 27, 2018

        Winston called Paula a twit. I think. He mumbled. He’s got away with it I think.

        • lurcher1948

           /  September 27, 2018

          she sounds like a twit

          • Gezza

             /  September 27, 2018

            He says: I am answering the question as…the way a lawyer would … not the way some twit would … like you ! Quite surprised he got away without apologising for that one, but that’s Speaker Trev for you 😀

      • Gezza

         /  September 27, 2018

        Also questions about Derek Handley and the PM’s communications about it to Clare Curran.
        Winston’s getting a bit stroppy. I might post the video for this one when avalailable. Paula’s having fun.

      • Gezza

         /  September 27, 2018

        • Blazer

           /  September 27, 2018

          missy P..’I never DELIBERATELY ..mislead WINZ.Yes I was a truck stop waitress and the life of the party,yes I was a member of tattoo club..yes my husband was a solo dad on the bene in Oz.

          But hey ..look at me now..new ,improved ,slimmer version..I zipped it..sweetie!

    • Gezza

       /  September 27, 2018

      I missed seeing this one. Chris Bishop did his best but Winston just happily kicked them all into touch.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  September 27, 2018

      This has been coming for some time, I think….it should have been obvious that windpower will be erratic, but I must confess that this obvious point hadn’t occurred to me until it was pointed out some years ago. Then it did.

      There is also the fact that the wind turbines make a maddening, repetitive noise.

  8. PartisanZ

     /  September 27, 2018

    Another view on the ‘truancy’ issue …

    ‘Kyle MacDonald: What we’ve misunderstood about the kids of Fraser High’ – NZHeraldo

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12132109

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 27, 2018

      As a parent or mentor I think you need both sides – realism and support. Either without the other fails.

      • lurcher1948

         /  September 27, 2018

        Is that why National, is not in power?the mentor Winston my man gave up on them, LOW DECILE

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 27, 2018

          Mike Hosking’s crude comment was pointlessly offensive.

          The headmistress didn’t say that all those things WOULD happen to all truants, only that they could end up at much greater risk of these happening to them. It was shock tactics, to make the point that they were putting themselves at risk, which they are.

    • Gezza

       /  September 27, 2018

      This needs to be also contrasted with the 1ewes item a week or two ago where teachers were pleading for the regulations to be changed to permit them to do something about violence and bad behaviours at school. They are not allowed to physically touch the children. One a female said she’s got one kid who when he gets pissed off just urinates on the floor in front of everybody. Another said if a kid just walks up to my desk, picks up my laptop, and walks out with it, I’m not even allowed to block or touch him.

  9. lurcher1948

     /  September 27, 2018

    GOD IM TIRED of HDPA, shes thick, even a ringer today told her to not go STUPID,(and she did STUPID) WELLINGTON deserves better, this bimbo had a show today based on sexual assault and rubbish based on the fact from one week to the next the idiot HDPA doesn’t know what to put out for recycling weekly WTF ,two options, and yes Trumps selection,the attempting rape was a youth thing, and yes it was allright NZME policy, When your listeners tell you STOP sounding STUPID you are pissing people off,,NZME GIVE US BETTER in the capital WELLINGTON

    • Gezza

       /  September 27, 2018

      She’s pretty thick if she doesn’t know how to google “WCC Rubbish”.

      I only need to put my recycling and rubbish out every few weeks. When I want to know which collection day’s for glass and what day’s for plasti, cans, & paper, I just whack that into google & enter the street name into the box & bingo – it tells you. About a 40 second job.

  10. PartisanZ

     /  September 27, 2018

    Okay, if they mean what they say – which is always a potential issue – I have increased respect for Ron Mark, The NZ Initiative’s Dr Oliver Hartwich – and soon several others no doubt – but most of all Wairarapa Voice and the people of Wairarapa after watching 30 minutes of this –

    Very interesting graphs Hartwich puts up around 18 – 22 minutes … The positive correlation of GDP with localism … or application of the Principle of Subsidiarity … and the extremely positive correlation of [inflation adjusted] house prices with localism …

    … And the winners are … Switzerland, Germany, Canada … and others …

    New Zealand places rather abysmally, and will do, I suspect, until we become Aotearoa New Zealand … which we might only do by devolving governance back to the County Council or even ‘Canton’ level?

    • PartisanZ

       /  September 27, 2018

      The Swiss Ambassador states that the greatest “colonial relic” in New Zealand is centralism … 51:00 approx …

      • PartisanZ

         /  September 27, 2018

        Awesome example about Queenstown’s 20,000 ratepayers having to pay for X million visitors per day infrastructure …

        • Gezza

           /  September 28, 2018

          Yes.”And they’re fed up”, said the CEO of Local Government New Zealand, Malcolm Alexander: “We should have a LOCAL visitor levy, based on bed nights probably, which allows the users a modest cost of $10 or something like that to help contribute to the cost of the services and facilities they use.

          We don’t think that’s unreasonable – and we think Queenstown District Council should have the right to levy that levy. That’s localism – and that council should have the right to choose to make it $1 or $2, or a cap – but the point is they don’t have to use what I call the Oliver Twist funding model – ‘Please Government, can I have some more

          How about putting the power back in the local hands to decide what they want and what they need? Provided they deliver VALUE, which is the accountability point.”

          Says the previous government devolved the delivery of social services to the local level and guess what – it worked! At the local level they know best what services are needed and where to target the intervention and it worked fine and then they stopped: and went back to central thing. Maybe there’s a role for the social service thing to be done locally because the locals know the issues, they know the people, and they probably know what would work best.”

          Also had some interesting observations about what they learned about vocational education on their visit to Switzerland.

          “There the local councils work with the local businesses and they train young people from about 14. You get a choice of academic or vocational, both are equally treated as valid. You join a skills (sic), you work with a business, you become a chippy or a sparky and that, and guess what? There’s not a skills shortage in Switzerland. But we have 100,000 kids not in education or training.”

          There’s some very interesting stuff in that video. In the OECD the average is around 40% of the tax take is allocated and spent locally at the provincial level. In some countries it’s higher. New Zealand is the outlier – here, over 80% of funding allocation and spent is decided centrally.

  11. Alan Wilkinson

     /  September 27, 2018

    Stand clear, I’m going to congratulate Andrew Little and the Government taking action better to address miscarriages of justice. This is long overdue. Well done:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12132989

    • Blazer

       /  September 27, 2018

      homosexuals are being pardoned too Al…so I guess you can congratulate him on that as well.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  September 27, 2018

        I’m happy to do that, B. I believe in social and economic freedom as you know.

  12. sorethumb

     /  September 27, 2018

    Complaints about the behaviour of Linux Kernel developers. Being male and slightly nutty Linux now should be more diverse, inclusive et cetera. You have to wonder if some inappropriate behaviours are just war-like play and give people an edge?

    What people are arguing now is that it matters because linux powers every Fortune 500 Company and some how this bad behaviour = risk. Some kernel developers are threatening to withdraw as a block and (I think) claim their creations with devastating implications.

    • sorethumb

       /  September 27, 2018

      A Code of Conduct for Open Source Projects
      Open Source has always been a foundation of the Internet, and with the advent of social open source networks this is more true than ever. But free, libre, and open source projects suffer from a startling lack of diversity, with dramatically low representation by women, people of color, and other marginalized populations.
      https://www.contributor-covenant.org/

  13. Gezza

     /  September 27, 2018

    1ewes said ACC wants to put up the car registration fee again (National lowered it not long ago) and add another 4 1/2 cent levy to petrol prices ?? >:D

    Iain Lees-Galloway was at great pains to say that doesn’t mean the government would agree to another petrol price levy (didn’t say anything about the increased rego fee tho). #moretaxes

  14. Gezza

     /  September 27, 2018

    Red Banner headlining at the moment on The Herald
    Residents remain on high alert after Te Kuiti gangsters bailed back home
    “It’s terrifying. People are arming themselves. I know they are.”

    Residents in a small King Country town besieged by gang violence remain on edge tonight after two men arrested over an alleged campaign of terror were bailed back to their homes.

    One Te Kuiti resident said some witnesses were now too scared to give police statements after learning the men had been allowed to return to the town, and locals were keeping weapons in their cars or at the front door for protection.

    Earlier in the day the relief among residents and business owners was palpable after Armed Offender Squad teams from Auckland, Waikato and the Bay of Plenty swooped on seven houses in a dawn raid on Wednesday, arresting four men and netting a swathe of guns, cannabis and gang patches.

    But a ratepayer said the relief was short-lived after two of the men were bailed back to Te Kuiti.
    More …
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12132886

  15. Trevors_Elbow

     /  September 27, 2018

    Seems the Police need to get their act together…as do the courts. Why would you release gang members accused of stand over tactics back into the community to… stand over witnesses … times fast approaching were vigilante groups will form in small towns to deal to gangs…..

    ‘Gangs are just another whanau’ Yeah, right!

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12132886

    • Corky

       /  September 27, 2018

      The simple fact is Trevor… the Police are scared. Any hard action they take will come under close scrutiny from bleeding heart liberals. And should scumbags be arrested and taken to court..well, your story tells it all.

      These victims..and possible future victims..need to get with the programme and take their lumps like good Kiwi crime victims.

  16. Blazer

     /  September 27, 2018

    R.I.P Paul White..the big gang snuffed him out.

  17. Corky

     /  September 27, 2018

    This should be interesting. It has already turned nasty. John is wrong though. Poor families in better areas need to be limited.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/09/john-tamihere-hints-he-ll-run-for-auckland-mayor.html

    • Blazer

       /  September 27, 2018

      are you in a ‘better’ area..or surrounded by..riff raff?

    • Corky

       /  September 27, 2018

      Let’s hope they don’t take credit for what National and SST achieved. A Hawke’s Bay scumbag was sentenced under the 3 strikes legislation today if I heard correctly.

      • Blazer

         /  September 27, 2018

        Corky puff that big chest up and rejoice..at last you have a P.M you can be..proud of!