Ford testimony, Kavanaugh response

Christine Blasey Ford has been giving testimony on Donald Trump’s Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh in the US Senate.

This is on events alleged to have happened a long time ago.

Ford seems like a genuine and credible witness, but memories are no always accurate over long periods of time in particular. However it does seem that she has genuine beliefs about what happened.

Kavanaugh has not looked or sounded convincing in what I have seen of him denying things.

From Reuters:

Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh testifies on Capitol Hill regarding sexual assault accusations by Christine Blasey Ford

Kavanaugh says he was not at the party described by Dr. Ford

Kavanaugh says he had demanded a hearing, says his family and name have been destroyed by accusations against him

Kavanaugh says Democratic rhetoric, reaction against him aimed to ‘blow me up and take me down’

Kavanaugh cites a long series of false last-minute smears designed to scare him and drive him out of the process, ‘crazy stuff’, says the opposition against him has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit fueled by anger against Trump; ‘This is a circus’

Kavanaugh says he will not be intimidated into withdrawing from this process, says while he may be defeated in the final vote, he will never quit; says due process means listening to both sides

Kavanaugh says he is ‘innocent’ and that he has ‘never done this’ to Ford ‘or to anyone’

Kavanaugh says no one ever accused him of any kind of sexual misconduct through his career; categorically and unequivocally denies the accusations against him by Ford

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  1. lurcher1948

     /  September 28, 2018

    Kavanaugh could be on YouTube assaulting a female and he would still be backed by the right.The talkback host on NZME ZB this morning was backing him and [deleted] it’s a rightwing antifemale trend

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    • Gerrit

       /  September 28, 2018

      Problem is that so many women have made false complaints off historical sexual harassment against people like Bill Clinton, Trump, etc. that when this potential true case comes up for discussion, the level of compassionate understanding to the truthfulness is extremely low.

      Too many woman have cried wolf in the past making each case progressively less believable.

      In New Zealand we have the parliamentary Maori caucus fully endorsing Meka Whaitiri so “defending the patch” is not a left or right construct, more one of circling the wagons to protect ones own.

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      • I haven’t seen anything that shows that false complaints are anything but a relatively small minority of complaints. There are far more complaints not progressed to court.

        Clinton and Trump are particularly poor examples of ‘false complaints’. They lean towards proving that powerful men get away with abuse.

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        • Gerrit

           /  September 28, 2018

          Conversely powerful men attract a higher number of false complaints due to the nature of their status. Clinton and Trump are likely to have more false complaints laid against them than a mere mortal like you or me.

          One could argue that they played up more in their sexually formative years then you or I did due to their narcissistic personality.

          Or one could argue that the women indulged in the false accusations for monetary or political motivation after Clinton or Trump became powerful men.

          Case in point

          http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/lisa-bloom-trump-accusers-paid-article-1.3701922

          Women can make serious money and the women who do the “pimping” make serious money as well.

          “She also acknowledged that her standard contracts required women to pay her commissions as high as 33% if she sold their stories to media outlets, The Hill reported.”

          While Ford may have a genuine presentation and case, the tone in regards sexual misconduct accusation against powerful men is not in her favour.

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      • Blazer

         /  September 28, 2018

        Too many woman have cried wolf in the past making each case progressively less believable.’…yes a long line of them now..Lewinsky,Daniels…
        and Cosby’s accusers were obviously FOS..then Rolf Harris,Jimmy Saville,Weinstein…you’re on to it.

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  2. Corky

     /  September 28, 2018

    Just listened to Ford explain how this alleged incident lead to her wanting two front doors on her house.( I may have misheard)

    No, it’s true.

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  3. Blazer

     /  September 28, 2018

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  5. Trevors_elbow

     /  September 28, 2018

    After counseling I came forward…. this very interesting….

    If it’s true.. then justice should take its course. But how do you establish the truth so many decades after an event in a ‘he says she says’ case? Memory is not fixed and is not always accurate… and at a teen party with alcohol involved… hmmmm

    Every appointment process from here on in, in the US, will have opponents dredging all the way back to when the potential appointees were in their early teens. Is that what the US wants? Who is completely pure? Pandoras box once opened cannot be closed

    Democrats oppose Kavanaugh… they want a liberal bias on the SCOTUS … and it seems everything is fair game. Reap what you sow….

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    • Gezza

       /  September 28, 2018

      You can’t have a grub on the US Supreme Court bench. It’s bad enuf having so many of them in the White House. >:D

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      • Trevors_elbow

         /  September 28, 2018

        Accused Gezza. Nothing has been proven. But I guess that is not why the Dems have been dredging it’s about damaging credibility

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        • Gezza

           /  September 28, 2018

          Yes I know. I have no idea who’s telling the truth now that others have come forward. US politics on all sides is full of shady, long-bought characters, & it’s a particularly dirty business.

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  6. Corky

     /  September 28, 2018

    Apparently Kavanaugh has gone through six different stages in the selection process..each lasting a year. Was this selection process overseen by the Republicans?

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  September 28, 2018

      Well there’s an mis-statement if ever I read one…

      Kavanaugh has been groomed by the Federalist Society for this candidacy since his days at Yale.

      You might even remember that both trump and mitch mcconnell were initially against kavanaugh’s nomination because of his paper trail as a staffer on the Clinton impeachment investigation and in the Bush White House

      But he was aggressively puished forward by FedSoc

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      • Corky

         /  September 28, 2018

        I can only go by what I heard on the news…just like you. Hence my use of the word ”apparently.”

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        • Joe Bloggs

           /  September 28, 2018

          I don’t rely on “the news” for my info you plonker… most of my insights into kavanaugh come from friends who work in law in BosNyWash as well as a few other reliable sources.

          Don’t conflate your filth with mine 😀

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          • Is this arrogance necessary ?

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            • Corky

               /  September 28, 2018

              Of course it is, he thinks he knows more than me. The plonker has just put himself on a pedestal. That suits me fine. I have my feather ready to knock him off.

            • Joe Bloggs

               /  September 28, 2018

              Yes I know, poor form, arrogant, plonker, whatever… had plenty worse from Wilco 😄

              Your boy kavanaugh is still a hot mess

            • High Flying Duck

               /  September 28, 2018

              That’s Justice Kavanaugh is a hot mess Joe – proper titles please.

  7. Dave K

     /  September 28, 2018

    This place looks kind of familiar….but it’s been a while. Let me see…ahhh here it is:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem,_Massachusetts

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  September 28, 2018

    Dont worry folks HDPA have a stream of old white males who probably lean right voting saying this is what men do,

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  September 28, 2018

      and no doubt there’ll be another stream of old white males (afraid of losing their white male privilege) spinning the typical Gooper bullshit on this thread once they wake up from their nana naps.

      I’m fully expecting the usual drivel:
      never concede, always attack, vehemently claim victim status, attack again, the Dems are politicising a Republican truth-seeking process, yada, yada, yada.

      Desperate and unimpressive.

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  9. david in aus

     /  September 28, 2018

    Salem witch trial

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  10. Rickmann

     /  September 28, 2018

    and Kavanaugh raised his voice” which these days in PC NZ seems to be getting close to a crime. The Kavanaugh Show reminds me of a similar circus in NZ in the ’70s when Dr. Erich Geirenger, founder of the NZ Medical Association and described as ‘one of the most significant public health figures in New Zealand in the last half century’, and early and prominent supporter of abortion, was accused of sexual harassment or rape of a patient. Unlike many people similarly accused he did not settle out of court to save being smeared for life after being dragged through the news media he went to court. The press and the feminists had a wonderful time, as more women came out of the wood work. He was an easy target, being a flamboyant Jew with a strong Viennese accent; definitely “foreign” and without a drop of Maori blood. As with the more recent but very similar Kobe Bryant case in the US, all charges were dismissed. He and his career survived, but those of lesser stature and character in small town/city NZ would not. Once smeared it sticks.

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    • Blazer

       /  September 28, 2018

      each and every case on its merits Rickmann.

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  September 28, 2018

      remember that it took the complaints of over 60 women before Bill Cosby was convicted of sexual assault.

      Up until the 60th complaint, people were resolutely defending Cosby – many still are.

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      • Pink David

         /  September 28, 2018

        For every Bill Cosby, how many Duke lacrosse team’s are there?

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  September 28, 2018

        The Cosby case was very different to Kavanaugh’s.
        This one is impossible to resolve by way of evidence, although the slim evidence there is (so called ‘witness’ statements) points to innocence.
        Basically if you lean Democrat Kavanaugh is a lying molesting prick. If you’re more Republican leaning then he is the victim of a Democratic smear campaign and Ford has been used as a pawn.

        Having watched the hearing I couldn’t be definitive. Kavanaugh was obviously minimising his youthful drinking, as he absolutely had to do, but came across as generally honest and forthright.
        Something more likely than not did happen to Ford, but memory is a tricky thing, especially over 3 decades, so her absolute certainty over Kavanaugh has to be questioned as well.

        The fact Kavanaugh has such strong and consistent character references over his whole career points to him being a decent person.

        I have heard a leopard never changes it’s spots. In this case on the face of it he is either a different person now and over the last 25 years to what he was then, or he has always been decent.

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        • Blazer

           /  September 28, 2018

          ‘I have heard a leopard never changes it’s spots. ‘

          I have heard this too,but there is a plethora of evidence around that it is a fallacy.

          There would be no hope for human rehabilitation or redemption…otherwise.

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          • High Flying Duck

             /  September 28, 2018

            Recidivism is a huge problem, even in cases where interventions are made and help given.
            In cases where changes are made, intervention is still required to facilitate that change.

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  11. Patzcuaro

     /  September 28, 2018

    A cross section of the power brokers that represent the people. There are 21 female senators out of 100, of which 5 are Republican. Ten percent of the Republican Senators are female v about a third of Democrats.

    Most of the male Republican Senator who are voting to confirm Kavanaugh probably went to frat houses and behaved just the same as him.

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    • Gezza

       /  September 28, 2018

      Grubs

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    • Corky

       /  September 28, 2018

      How many have allegations against them pending? Two from what I have heard. Bloggs may be able to fill us in with more details.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 28, 2018

        Good luck with raping someone on one of those narrow little examing beds/tables. It would be like doing it on an ironing board, not to mention the danger of someone hearing and/or coming in. As soon as I heard that he was supposed to have raped the woman on one of those, I knew that it had to be a lie. It would be a physical impossibility.

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  12. Alan Wilkinson

     /  September 28, 2018

    Someone is lying and we don’t know who. There is no reasonable way to know. Ford has obviously convinced herself her allegation is true but that doesn’t mean it is. The Scottish verdict of “not proven” is appropriate.

    However the Democrats stand convicted of bringing an unprovable allegation for partisan political purposes.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  September 28, 2018

      The hired prosecutor agrees:

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  September 28, 2018

      Likewise Kavanaugh has convinced himself that the allegations are false.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  September 28, 2018

        So the Democrats just played politics with people’s lives. Both will suffer in consequence but the politicians don’t give a damn so long as it advantages them.

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  13. “Deciding to proceed without conducting additional investigation would not only have a lasting impact on the Senate’s reputation, but it will also negatively affect the great trust necessary for the American people to have in the Supreme Court,”’per letter obtained by CNN

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  September 28, 2018

      But the FBI have said there is no investigation so the Association is also playing politics.

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      • What sort of politics would the American Bar Association be playing?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  September 28, 2018

          Democrat probably with an over-representation from New York, Washington and California.

          Bush cut ties with it. Obama restored them:

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