Ardern claims she is strong in ‘What it means to be Kiwi’

Jacinda Ardern has followed up her speeches in New York with her contribution to a Stuff series: What it means to be Kiwi, examining the changing values that define New Zealand in the 21st century.

Prime Minister says committing to kindness shows strength, not weakness

Don’t mistake Jacinda Ardern’s kindness for weakness, she says.

“There is criticism around different leadership styles, and I receive my fair share. But the fact I still maintain my view that there’s a place in politics for compassion and empathy, that probably proves that I am strong”.

That seems to be in response to claims that back in New Zealand her leadership has shown weaknesses.

“Issues that some might characterise as being political, like child poverty, when you drill down and talk about what kids have in their lunchboxes and kids sleeping in cars, New Zealanders just didn’t want to tolerate that. So I do think that is a Kiwi value. ”

“Regardless of our own personal beliefs, we actually tend to want other people to have their own ability to live their lives.

“We know we’re interdependent, we don’t want to do any harm to others, but if it does no harm, then let people get on with it. That progressive nature still comes back to a New Zealand value of just being fair.”

Ardern said the Government’s wellbeing framework was an attempt to put Kiwi values in action.

“Part of the reason I raised actual kindness is there is an assumption these are values you can’t bring to life in politics or have no place in politics.

“I do think that you can embed it in what we do when we govern as well. We are trying to bring in a range of indicators that tell us a bit more about people’s lives,” she said.

“We don’t want just their income levels. When we bed in material deprivation into our measures, or look at home ownership rates; when we have a goal like everyone earning, learning, caring or volunteering, that tells us about social isolation.”

When measured, it could provide a sense of people’s wellbeing and their happiness, she said.

Sounds wonderful but is absolutely vague feel good stuff.

Ardern is yet to prove she has the strength and leadership to put at least some of this into practice to drive positive changes.

Current reality – Andrea Vance: A week of grubby politics in contrast to New York performance

New Zealand – well the news media anyway – basked in her reflected glory.

But there was plenty of chaos going on back home – most of it right in the heart of Ardern’s own Government.

Revelations about Meka Whaitiri’s bruising set-to with her press secretary were by far the most serious. Allegations that enraged by a missed photo call she injured the woman are serious enough for a party whose founding values are standing up for the worker.

But, add to that the unconditional and blind support of employment minister Willie Jackson – without even a cursory examination of the facts.

The overwhelming impression was that the Maori caucus holds too much sway. That, and after just a year in power, the party is happy to abandon its principles for convenience.

Then came geek entrepreneur Derek Handley, chaperoned by arch-Tory Michelle Boag. He first embarrassed the Government by overtaking their process of releasing communications about the chief technology job he won, and then lost.

Further documents revealed the fingerprints of Labour party president Nigel Haworth and former apparatchik GJ Thompson. Ardern was more heavily involved in the process than previously let on. 

Importantly, the State Services Commission ruled the appointment robust and unbiased.

But the cache of documents left the lingering hint of cronyism and a reluctance to share all the facts. Although the involvement of Boag did give off the whiff of dirty politics, and diminished National’s attempts to take the moral high ground.

The Wally Haumaha appointment scandal continued to dog the Government. The links between NZ First and the former cop and one-time candidate should preclude any of its MPs from being involved in the investigation into his promotion.

Yet, both Tracey Martin and Winston Peters have been at the heart of setting it up. They might be entirely blameless, but their involvement tarnishes the credibility of the entire process.

Ardern should luxuriate in being a shining beacon of hope in New York.  Because when she gets back home, there’s plenty of murk to cut through.

If Ardern has as much strength as she claims she needs to urgently address these messes.

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  1. sorethumb

     /  September 30, 2018

    Empathy makes us immoral, says a Yale psychologist
    https://qz.com/1024303/empathy-makes-us-immoral-says-a-yale-psychologist/

    The people of New Zealand have already opted for zero population growth by limiting family size to an average of 2.1 children. That intuitive decision of the people to balance human reproduction with the internal resources of the country is being contradicted by the government determining unilaterally to mount a pro-active immigration policy. Their consent is manufactured by silencing critics with the argument that skilled and entrepreneurial migrants will promote economic growth and create jobs. Throughout the three years that this mantra was being recited, there were continuous redundancies in forestry, mining, television, railways, freezing works and telecom-munications. Despite that evidence, journalists used this well-rehearsed government mantra as a riposte against critics of immigration. If they persist, then their opposition is construed as racially motivated since over 50 percent of migrants are visibly Asian.
    New Zealand Immigration and the Political Economy
    By Ranginui Walker
    Published in The Social Contract
    Volume 4, Number 2 (Winter 1993-1994)
    Issue theme: “An international perspective on migration”
    http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc0402/article_316.shtml

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    • PartisanZ

       /  September 30, 2018

      I largely agree with Dr Ranginui Walker …

      Assuming you do too sorethumb, can we assume you were against privatization, ‘free markets’, globalization, “a level playing field” and all that *crap* all along?

      Walker is referencing the people who limited their family size to 2.1 children and either wanted – in advance of Fourth Labour [a relative handful IMHO] – or came to demand by buying – after Rogerednomics kicked in [the indoctrinated masses] – the cheap imported goods and ‘envy lifestyle’ which immigration came hand-in-hand with …

      The Big Red Shed & $2 Shop begets ‘Chowick’ …

      The only way to get those cheap goods, according to Friedmannism [which will someday be recognised as a pathology], is to export the production of those goods to developing countries where labour can still be exploited for extremely low wages …

      In exchange for this the government’s of those countries willing to suspend the human rights of their own citizens demand reciprocal ‘slackening’ of immigration rules …

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      • PartisanZ

         /  September 30, 2018

        Also, the dude from Yale has got his definition of “empathy” wrong … He’s talking about esprit de corps, community of interest, social-cultural-and-political ‘identity’ and group spirit or solidarity as though they’re equivalent to personal and by extrapolation communal empathy …

        Start from a wrong premise and what follows is … wrong?

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        • Corky

           /  September 30, 2018

          ” Is to export the production of those goods to developing countries where labour can still be exploited for extremely low wages …”

          Have you asked people who fill those jobs what they think of them? They may not have your first world perspective. Their jobs may be the difference between hunger and eating for them. They aren’t forced into that employment.

          ”In exchange for this the government’s of those countries willing to suspend the human rights of their own citizens.”

          What human rights? As if things would be different with an absence of Western corporate concerns in those countries.

          Trying to make the fact line up with your philosophy, Parti?

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  2. Ardern said she wouldn’t use a taxpayer funded nanny for her trip, suggesting she was being frugal, but is this money well spent? Or a PR junket?

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    • robertguyton

       /  September 30, 2018

      Were the photographers nannies?
      Pathetic “gotcha”, Pete.
      Jacinda’s UN visit was a huge success but WHATABOUT?????????

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      • Do you think that three taxpayer paid photographers was money well spent?

        Wouldn’t it have been better for James Shaw to have gone with Ardern to help promote what the Minister of Climate Change is actually doing on climate change?

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        • robertguyton

           /  September 30, 2018

          Do Prime Ministers usually take photographers to high-profile events? I bet they do. Is there value to New Zealand from images taken of Jacinda, Clarke and Neve and published throughout the media? I bet that in this instance, the value is HUGE, more so than for any other Prime Minister we’ve had. Have past Prime Ministers spent money on public relations media whilst overseas? As this has morphed into the “WHATABOUT” blog, I can safely remind you that John Key used taxpayers money to buy his way into the American shows that this time around, scrambled to invite Jacinda to appear. This quibbling about photographers is petty, Pete.

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          • Gezza

             /  September 30, 2018

            This PR-obsession business might be getting out of hand – look at the trouble it’s caused one ex-Minister already.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 30, 2018

            I would be surprised if PMs generally expected the rest of us to pay for three fashion photographers to take flattering photos at these events. What about the press who are there anyway ?

            That speech is just woolly thinking. It’s like the ad that told us how good geese were when they flew in formation.

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          • Missy

             /  October 1, 2018

            “Do Prime Ministers usually take photographers to high-profile events?”

            In my experience, no they don’t. I have previously worked in Government both in NZ and in Embassies overseas, and I have never known photographers to accompany the PM. Most photos are taken by either the host nation if at an official event, or by Embassy staff in non-official meetings. Never have I seen a PM travel with one photographer let alone three.

            This is a gross waste of Taxpayers money.

            “Is there value to New Zealand from images taken of Jacinda, Clarke and Neve and published throughout the media?”

            Speaking from the UK, no there isn’t. Hardly anyone here knows her name, let alone her partner and baby’s names. The most talked about thing to do with NZ over the last few months was the ban on foreign house buyers, policy is what matters, not PR opportunities for a PM who seems to be devoid of ideas when challenged. When some of the PR has cut through most of the comments in the media have been quite negative about her, it hasn’t provided any benefit to NZ.

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      • David

         /  September 30, 2018

        You are going to defend hiring 3 people to take photos of her Robert, come on defend the expenditure…thought not.
        As a taxpayer I am delighted that I have funded babies first trip photo album, how many private photo,s of baby Neve do you think we funded.

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        • robertguyton

           /  September 30, 2018

          Defend the expenditure, David? Chump change and MORE than worth it (details above). Quibble, quibble. Now, were squabbling about … what ??? Photographers?? Do I think it was money well spent? YES. Am I concerned about the cost of the photographers to hardworking New Zealanders? NO. Do I think these protestations are those of petty Eeyores? YES>

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          • Gezza

             /  September 30, 2018

            I will say that Jacinda’s hair & makeup adviser and dress-style guru were worth their money. She looked nice. She can look a bit rough when she’s doing the business here.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 30, 2018

              Long straggly hair on someone hitting middle-age is not flattering and makes them look older, not younger.

              CG looked very scruffy at the UN. Doesn’t he own a tie ?

              Three ad agency photographers is three too many. I assumed that the photos etc were done by the news people who were there. But three vanity photographers having a nice trip to NY at our expense is not on.

              I can’t see that NZ as a whole has benefitted from the photos of the happy family; how could it possibly do so ? It’s been a big ego trip for JA, but she’s had her 15 minutes. NEXT !

            • Gezza

               /  September 30, 2018

              To be fair, Kitty, Clarke’s pretty much had to grow a beard. He’s stuck at home with the cooking and cleaning and child-minding & he’s got a well-cultivated macho rep that he’s possibly a bit worried is slipping away.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 30, 2018

              He didn’t look like a PM’s partner, he looked quite scruffy and sloppy. He really lowered the tone at the UN, looking most out of place and as if he knew no better than to turn up looking like that,

              Freddy Mercury was the star of stars, wasn’t he ??? I had his bio until I gave it to someone else who loves Queen. People have to be born with that sort of star quality. How one wishes that he hadn’t died of AIDS.

            • Gezza

               /  September 30, 2018

              How real men fish

          • David

             /  September 30, 2018

            And she disclosed she would use these for campaign purposes before back tracking, she is a bit slippery.
            Robert you would be apoplectic if Key had hired a photographer to take flattering shots of him, I would have been to. There is no benefit to anyone except the Labour Party of photos of her appearing in NZ as you said the value is “huge” for her.
            Is having a staffer taking a shot of her not good enough for our Princess, does she need the right lighting and shading and a bit of touch up work, take a couple of hundred shots and have a professional go through them so little Miss Vanity can get that one or two great shots. Is she running the country or auditioning for NZs next top model.
            Its not the Kiwi way.

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            • Blazer

               /  September 30, 2018

              get some guts…or this bloke will sort you out!

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              ” if Key had hired a photographer to take flattering shots of him”
              He did, David, he most certainly did. We’re you living under a rock during Key’s campaigning period? I won’t link to his plethora of “flattering” photos but to believe you didn’t see any at the time is…difficult.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 30, 2018

              I bet that he didn’t hire fashion photographers at tax payers’ expense.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              I bet he did. You see what he was like in the raw? Those photoshoppers had their work cut out for them. Lizard eyes are really hard to give life to.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              That photo of Key by the pool – erg!! (not “ergonomic, errrrrrrrg!

    • david in aus

       /  September 30, 2018

      Perfectly encapsulates Jacinda: PR PM.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 30, 2018

        I hope that these remarks about our Jewish PM have nothing to do with his being Jewish.

        And yes, he is Jewish, he can’t not be if his mother was. Jewish law.

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        • seer

           /  October 2, 2018

          “And yes, he is Jewish..”
          Can you tell from the contours on his swimwear?

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          • robertguyton

             /  October 2, 2018

            Ohh! That’s cutting!

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            • seer

               /  October 2, 2018

              Since we’ve moved into the zone, let me label Kittycat a grammar nazi – or would that be anti-semantic? And she is also a costume nazi! But any seman will have been washed of John’s. Notice the avatar the universe has assigned me.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 2, 2018

            I can tell because his mother was Jewish, ergo he is Jewish.

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    • Sean

       /  September 30, 2018

      For what its worth, I’ve traveled overseas with former PM Key a number of times, as well as worked around him domestically. I’ve not traveled internationally with PM Ardern. There was a period Key’s first two terms where a staff member from either the PMO or the Leader’s Office accompanied the PM on all domestic and international trips that I went on with the sole purpose of taking photos of PM Key in action. In my memory, this was a new development from PM Clark. It was partly an acknowledgement of the new impact of social media and the increasing demands of online news cycles, and partly a reaction to media organisations pulling back from overseas trips because of cost.

      This photographer was part of the official party, and as such had access to events where the media were not allowed. Some bi-lats allowed a quick grip-and-grin at the beginning, and some did not. PM Key’s photographer would then make sure his photos were available to all NZ media. From the NZ Herald article, it appears that this protocol was the same in NY.

      “The footage and photos – including for some occasions to which media had no access –
      were also made available for media to use, including the Herald.”

      I recall on two occasions in the 2013 South America trip that the local embassies had an official photographer present as well as the PM’s staff. I dont know whether they were MFAT staffers or local hires, but suspect the latter because they both had professional gear and acted as professional snappers, not staffers handed a camera.

      I dont know what budget PM Key’s official photographer’s costs (wages, flights, accomm, etc) came from, either the Leaders Office (taxpayer funded) or National Party coffers. The issue of savings made from using NZDF 757 flights seem as bit of a red herring. PM Key used the RNZAF aircraft a lot more than PM Clark, partly so that NZ media would take advantage of the subsidised flights. I would think the costs involved in travelling via the 757 were vastly more than using first class on commercial carriers. To my way of thinking, I see very little difference between the actions of PM Key, and those reported about PM Ardern.

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    • Corky

       /  September 30, 2018

      So metro..so now..so redundant at the next election.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 30, 2018

        It’s quite true that if you want to see if a policy makes sense, reverse it.

        Whose policies would include promoting unkindness, material deprivation, making sure that people were not earning, learning or volunteering, encouraging them to be UNcaring and ensuring social isolation ? Nobody.

        It’s just talk with no real meaning.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 30, 2018

          The costs that people are objecting to are the three (!!!) photographers paid to take vanity photos that the people of NZ are paying for (and which will be used for election campaigns) and the taxpayer funded $100,000 taxi ride in an Air Force plane so that the PM didn’t have to spend two days away from her baby.

          These are quite unjustified.

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  3. robertguyton

     /  September 30, 2018

    Jacinda won plaudits internationally; exception positive media coverage, notable applause from the Assembly, exceptional and valuable comments about her values and the attractiveness of her country, but here in lil’ ol’ NZ, we’re all but WHATABOUT, especially here on Yournz. Bunch of Eeyores.

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  4. David

     /  September 30, 2018

    The photographer has the potential to really upset the voters, domestically will over shadow the positives of her trip.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  September 30, 2018

      Hands up those who took it for granted that the photos were press ones taken by the press who would be expected to be there…

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  5. Blazer

     /  September 30, 2018

    don’t know who paid for this… 😉

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    • Gezza

       /  September 30, 2018

      Mower’s looking good 👍

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      • robertguyton

         /  September 30, 2018

        Must be wearing a pair of those super-slim ear-muffs and I notice his steel-toed safety boots are cleverly painted to look like he has bare toes.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 30, 2018

        The lawn looks like mine.

        So do the boots.

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    • Zedd

       /  September 30, 2018

      Oink 😀

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    • Zedd

       /  September 30, 2018

      It looks ‘photoshopped’.. piggy’s head cut onto a smaller mans body ?!

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      • Blazer

         /  September 30, 2018

        its the real thing…Rob mowing his lawn at his bach.Look how long the lawn is.

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        • Zedd

           /  September 30, 2018

          what a ‘total pigs breakfast’ ! 😀 😀

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          • Corky

             /  September 30, 2018

            The guy is dead..fuckwit.

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            • Zedd

               /  September 30, 2018

              hey corky

              I can use abusive names too..

              just because an authoritative fascist has passed away, does not mean we should change our opinion & say ‘what a great guy’.. double-standards are B-S !

              I dont respect Hitler or Stalin either, just because they are dead 😦

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  September 30, 2018

          Hadfields Beach wasn’t it? Like the petrol can in the background. Probably just as well he didn’t have a tractor.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 30, 2018

            Zedd, we got the old, old joke the first time, no need for endless repetition.

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    • david in aus

       /  September 30, 2018

      Not the Blue Steel look I was expecting. He must have only had two photographers and not three that Jacinda had.

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  6. Zedd

     /  September 30, 2018

    Politics 101.. taking the opportunities that arise, to be seen in a positive light & maintaining your support base.. “Jacinda go to the top of the class !” Lets do this !! 🙂 🙂 😀

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  7. PDB

     /  September 30, 2018

    The comments on that article are scathing. Ardern only fools the most ardent supporters – having to remind everyone that you’re ‘strong’ through a dedicated PR drive when your actions to date don’t match that rhetoric suggests the opposite is true. Bridges is not much better and really in parliament today there is little evidence of anybody with strong leadership ability.

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    • Blazer

       /  September 30, 2018

      Winston.

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      • Gezza

         /  September 30, 2018

        Jonesy.

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        • Gezza

           /  September 30, 2018

          And JAG – but she could be a bit like Muldoon if unleashed, I reckon,

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          • Blazer

             /  September 30, 2018

            riding to hospital on a bike to give birth!-lost ..me.

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            • Gezza

               /  September 30, 2018

              These things can happen if you’re a maniac.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 30, 2018

              You’d have to be to risk the baby for a publicity stunt like that. If she had fallen because her centre of balance was different now or been hit by a car, the consequences would have been appalling. What kind of fool would take such a stupid gamble for the sake of free publicity ? I can’t understand this reckless idiocy, she’s lucky that the baby was all right.,

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              Incredible that any of them survived!!!
              Honestly! young people !!

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              * Hauls up support-hose, shakes pill-dispenser in a vaguely threatening manner, slips into a light doze…

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 30, 2018

              Any of them survived ? Who are ‘them’ ?

              You can’t be using ‘any of them’ to refer to two people.

              It’s her baby and if she values publicity more than its life and safety, that’s up to her. I don’t know if there are laws against this idiocy. It may be that nobody would expect any woman 9 months pregnant would be so stupid.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              I wasn’t referring to two people. You wonder (out loud and in public) if there are laws against pregnant women riding bicycles…
              oh dear!

      • PDB

         /  September 30, 2018

        Winston is such a strong leader he’s had to go to great extent to implement the waka-jumping bill to maintain order of his handful of MPs.

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    • Zedd

       /  September 30, 2018

      oh really…. :/

      Bridges is on 10% support & Jacinda is above 40% !

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      • PDB

         /  September 30, 2018

        All that proves is that the left are happy to be lead by an ineffectual leader whilst the right aren’t.

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        • Blazer

           /  September 30, 2018

          the last 2 National leaders are quitters….even ‘serious’ contender Coleman…bailed.

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        • robertguyton

           /  September 30, 2018

          “All that proves is that the left are happy to be lead by a charismatic, kindly leader whilst the right aren’t even in the ball park”

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 30, 2018

            What ball park ? This is NZ.

            Who is the leader who’s charismatic and kindly ? Not our PM, anyway.

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            • Gezza

               /  September 30, 2018

              I still reckon people who use “lead” instead of “led” for the past tense of “to lead” are poor at English.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 30, 2018

              What about ‘pled’ for ‘pleaded’ ? Another horror…

              I suppose that the ‘lead/led’ people think that because lead as in lead pencils is pron. ‘led’ that led as in past tense of lead is spelt lead, too. eeeeekkkk

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              I’m an amongst kinda guy.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              I dove into that. You dived.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              Max, in the ball park, John Key not able to attend soldiers service, in ball park…Max!!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 30, 2018

              We don’t talk about ball parks here, this is NZ not the US.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              Pled, Kitty? You’re a snob.
              “Pleaded is the standard past tense and past participle of the verb plea. Pled has always been considered incorrect by people who make such judgments, but it is so common that we have to accept it as an alternative form. And pled is not just an Americanism, as some have claimed . It appears just as often (about one pled for every twenty pleadeds) in current British and Canadian news publications. Australians are the exception; they still seem to shun pled almost completely.”

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 30, 2018

              It is common – in the worst sense of the word. Only very common people use it.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 30, 2018

            You dove ? Spare me. I hope that you don’t actually say this.

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            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              “Dive, which was originally a weak verb, developed a past tense dove, probably by analogy with verbs like drive, drove. Dove exists in some British dialects and has become the standard past tense especially in speech in some parts of Canada. In the United States dived and dove are both widespread in speech as past tense and past participle, with dove less common than dived in the south Midland area, and dived less common than dove in the Northern and north Midland areas. In writing, the past tense dived is usual in British English and somewhat more common in American English. Dove seems relatively rare as a past participle in writing.

              Dove? Yes, love it (rhymes with “dove”. Common as muck, me.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 30, 2018

              It rhymes with drove.

              In some dialects, ‘druv’ is heard, but the verb dove doesn’t rhyme with dove the noun.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              It rhymes with “bit” – oldy but a goody.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 30, 2018

              Are you the oldy but goody ?

              Can you read this aloud ?

              A handsome young fellow from Brum
              Said ‘Look at my muscles; I’m frum.
              My boyfriend, Lord Cholomondeley,
              Thinks muscles are colomondeley,
              I need strength for our dogs when I’m wrum.’

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              “In an absolute sense, your friend is correct: “spare me with…” doesn’t really mean anything. Thus it doesn’t mean “don’t bother me with the details of…”, but this is about as useful as saying that it doesn’t mean “the sky is blue”.”

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 1, 2018

              ‘Spare me’ is like saying ‘Stop it.’ or ‘Carry on.’ There is no need to specify what one wants to be spared, or wants the person to stop or carry on doing; it’s obvious from the context.

      • robertguyton

         /  September 30, 2018

        Jacinda will be on 95% following her spectacular UN visit.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  September 30, 2018

          That would have her up on the same cloud as you, Robert.

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          • robertguyton

             /  September 30, 2018

            Alan! You’re so kind. Must be Jacinda’s influence. She has the alchemist touch, turning dry flint into cotton wool.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  September 30, 2018

              From one fluff to another. “Stay-at-home Dad” Clarke Gayford now pictured in New York – just like every other house-husband. I can see them all relating right now.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              Yeah! Stay-at-home-Dads/house-husbands are … Alan??

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  September 30, 2018

              Kept men?

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              Kept what ?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  September 30, 2018

              Even you must have heard of men, Robert

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              Herd of wilderbeasts, Alan, not men.
              Kept comfortable ? Kept tame ?
              Kept what exactly, Alan???

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              Come on…

            • robertguyton

               /  September 30, 2018

              Stay at home dads are … fluff, Alan? (You said).

            • Gezza

               /  September 30, 2018

              Have you never heard that phrase robert? Usually applied to women.

              “Definition. Historically the term has denoted a “kept woman”, who was maintained in a comfortable (or even lavish) lifestyle by a wealthy man so that she would be available for his sexual pleasure. Such a woman could move between the roles of a mistress and a courtesan depending on her situation and environment.”

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  September 30, 2018

              Not making much sense yet. Try harder, Robert

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 1, 2018

              Men are the people with dangly bits, Robert.

              Women don’t have dangl\y bits, we have sticking-out bits on our chests.

            • Gezza

               /  October 1, 2018

              Keep it seemly please. Children post here sometimes. I reckon.

        • Ray

           /  September 30, 2018

          Seen this Robert

          Reply
        • Missy

           /  October 1, 2018

          Is that the spectacular UN visit where the GA was almost empty when she gave her speech?

          Worse than May in Salzburg the other week! And that was bad….

          Reply
          • Blazer

             /  October 1, 2018

            she doesn’t pick the order of the speakers.
            Trump had a big crowd…because he is a good speaker!!!

            Reply
  8. PDB

     /  September 30, 2018

    Apparently saying ‘comrade’ in a speech a dozen or so times is what it means to be a Kiwi nowadays? Must be a Morrinsville thing.

    Reply
    • Blazer

       /  September 30, 2018

      recently?

      Reply
      • PDB

         /  September 30, 2018

        Don’t know Blazer, haven’t been to Morrinsville in a while? They could be all wearing ushanka there now for all I know.

        Reply
    • robertguyton

       /  September 30, 2018

      whataboutwhataboutwhatabourtwhatabout????????

      Reply
      • PDB

         /  September 30, 2018

        You’re misusing this term Robert, a bit like this govt.

        Reply
        • robertguyton

           /  September 30, 2018

          Blazer asks you if Jacinda’s repeated use of the term “comrade” was recent and you answered, “Don’t know”.
          Slitheren.

          Reply
          • PDB

             /  September 30, 2018

            You’re a bit slow on the uptake – he didn’t actually specify what his comment “recently?” was related to so I took it as relating to my comment “Must be a Morrinsville thing”.

            Reply
    • Missy

       /  October 1, 2018

      Not a Morrinsville thing, I have family from there and they don’t say it. Pretty sure comrade is a Communist thing.

      Reply
      • Blazer

         /  October 1, 2018

        comrade

        noun
        (among men) a colleague or a fellow member of an organization.
        “an old college comrade”
        synonyms: companion, friend; More
        a fellow soldier or member of the armed forces.
        plural noun: comrades-in-arms
        “Hewett turned and rushed to help his comrade”

        Reply

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