Open Forum – Tuesday

2 October 2018

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  1. David

     /  October 2, 2018

    Some exciting MAGA news with the re negotiation of NAFTA completed and another Trump campaign promise done. Free trade is all very well but its been terrible for the American blue collar worker having to compete with Mexican wages, many a CEO has rolled around in multi million dollar stock options on the workers back.
    You would think he was a Democrat.

  2. robertguyton

     /  October 2, 2018

    What’s “Open View”, Pete?

  3. robertguyton

     /  October 2, 2018

    “Ardern defended the decision to contract the agency. She said Augusto’s fee would be paid for out of Labour’s Leaders’ Budget, a pool of taxpayer-funding which political parties can use for communications purposes.”

  4. robertguyton

     /  October 2, 2018

    Wasn’t Sean’s comment interesting!
    “Sean / September 30, 2018
    For what its worth, I’ve traveled overseas with former PM Key a number of times, as well as worked around him domestically. I’ve not traveled internationally with PM Ardern. There was a period Key’s first two terms where a staff member from either the PMO or the Leader’s Office accompanied the PM on all domestic and international trips that I went on with the sole purpose of taking photos of PM Key in action. In my memory, this was a new development from PM Clark. It was partly an acknowledgement of the new impact of social media and the increasing demands of online news cycles, and partly a reaction to media organisations pulling back from overseas trips because of cost.

    This photographer was part of the official party, and as such had access to events where the media were not allowed. Some bi-lats allowed a quick grip-and-grin at the beginning, and some did not. PM Key’s photographer would then make sure his photos were available to all NZ media. From the NZ Herald article, it appears that this protocol was the same in NY.

    “The footage and photos – including for some occasions to which media had no access –
    were also made available for media to use, including the Herald.”

    I recall on two occasions in the 2013 South America trip that the local embassies had an official photographer present as well as the PM’s staff. I dont know whether they were MFAT staffers or local hires, but suspect the latter because they both had professional gear and acted as professional snappers, not staffers handed a camera.

    I dont know what budget PM Key’s official photographer’s costs (wages, flights, accomm, etc) came from, either the Leaders Office (taxpayer funded) or National Party coffers. The issue of savings made from using NZDF 757 flights seem as bit of a red herring. PM Key used the RNZAF aircraft a lot more than PM Clark, partly so that NZ media would take advantage of the subsidised flights. I would think the costs involved in travelling via the 757 were vastly more than using first class on commercial carriers. To my way of thinking, I see very little difference between the actions of PM Key, and those reported about PM Ardern.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 2, 2018

      There is a huge difference between using an RNZAF plane as a free taxi for ONE PERSON so that she could spend two days with the baby and letting the press come in one, and making the taxpayer pay for this and a lot of glamour photos for the PM and baby.

  5. PartisanZ

     /  October 2, 2018

    Here’s some REAL GOOD NEWS …

    ‘It’s official: Four-day week becomes permanent at Kiwi company Perpetual Guardian’ – NZHeraldo

    “This initial test was a success, with independent academic research showing productivity levels remaining intact and job satisfaction improving markedly among staff members.”

    Full of fascinating ‘objective’ information …

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12135036

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 2, 2018

      Fine for desk jobs. Doubt many self-employed and small business owners will manage it. Nor those doing physical work. But choice is good.

  6. High Flying Duck

     /  October 2, 2018

    • robertguyton

       /  October 2, 2018

      “Prime Minister John Key’s office is advertising for a new taxpayer-funded photographer and videographer to shoot pictures and videos of National MPs.

      “http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9493285/PM-wants-official-photographer”
      Oh dear.

      • Gezza

         /  October 2, 2018

        Only ONE though, robert. Bronagh might have put her foot down.

        • robertguyton

           /  October 2, 2018

          She put her foot down over the pony-tail pulling and was…ignored.

          • Gezza

             /  October 2, 2018

            Possibly wasn’t wearing shoes that time? 😳

          • lurcher1948

             /  October 2, 2018

            [If you want to say someone is “paid to attack” you need to have substantiating evidence. PG]

  7. sorethumb

     /  October 2, 2018

    Ever wondered why PartisanZ says “Yesssssssssssssssss!” to a(n undefined) bicultural NZ.

    The answer can be found in Vincent O’Malley’s book.
    The Great War for New Zealand, Vincent O’Malley
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/85204572/review-the-great-war-for-new-zealand-vincent-omalley

    The underlying thesis is that the Maori economy was up and running and thriving but that it was non capitalist “cooperative”. This war therefore defined New Zealand as it took a nasty turn away from the Utopia it could have been.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 2, 2018

      YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

      Wow Corky, you’ve got Rightie exaggeration-for-effect (E4E) down to a fine Obsessive Compulsive Disorder …

      Surprise, surprise … O’Malley comes to the same conclusions about the Waikato Wars as every other mainstream academic historian!

      Only a handful of amateur Right Brigade Revisionists think otherwise …

      • PartisanZ

         /  October 2, 2018

        A bicultural Aotearoa New Zealand is well defined in Te Tiriti o Waitangi …

      • sorethumb

         /  October 2, 2018

        Surprise, surprise … O’Malley comes to the same conclusions about the Waikato Wars as every other mainstream academic historian!
        …………
        Not if the conclusion I draw above is correct.

        • PartisanZ

           /  October 2, 2018

          Whoops … my apologies to Corky … [although I note you didn’t mention my mistake]

          You are correct sorethumb … the conclusions you have drawn from Stuff’s review of O’Malley’s book are wrong … pure and simple …

          For instance what you take to be a utopian, non-capitalist cooperative Maori economy is actually described as ” … the reciprocity of Maori-Pakeha relations in the 1840s and 1850s. Maori farming flourished and without its marketed foodstuffs Pakeha would have starved in Auckland.”

          These two things are hardly the same.

          But if you’ve read the book please feel free to quote from it …

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 2, 2018

            I wondered if they were the same person for a moment.

          • sorethumb

             /  October 2, 2018

            In a history podcast he sees events in the Waikato as forestalling what might have been for New Zealand (as I said) the Maori economy was up and running and thriving but that it was non capitalist “cooperative”. A thriving cooperatve economy (rather than based on competition) is the holy grail of leftism. He sees that as one type of New Zealand killed off by another
            https://newzealandhistory.podbean.com/e/the-great-war-for-new-zealand/

  8. lurcher1948

     /  October 2, 2018

    Chuck Bird found a Youtube clip and has got excited…hes found Trump
    Chuck Bird
    MOST POWERFUL TRUMP VIDEO EVER – THE VIDEO YOU WERE NEVER SUPPOSED TO SEE

    Thumb up 21 Thumb down 2 LOG IN TO REPLY REPORTOCTOBER 2, 2018 8:00AM
    The right get excited easy

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 2, 2018

      Who are the ‘they’ who don’t want us to see this fawning drivel ?

  9. lurcher1948

     /  October 2, 2018

    Like “Open View” better than”Closed Views”just saying

  10. robertguyton

     /  October 2, 2018

    Cracking…cracking…”National’s whip Jami Lee Ross is taking time out to recover from health issues. All the best to him. At a personal level I hope he gets better and repairs himself. Politics can suck and have a terrible effect on people. I have seen this far too often.

    There is speculation that he is the leaker although Simon Bridges has said that his leave is unrelated to the inquiry. Interesting choice of words there, Bridges could have just said that he was satisfied it was not Ross.

    My theory is that it is actually someone else.

    But rumours that National’s caucus is an unhappy place are clearly true. And it is only going to get wo”

    • Corky

       /  October 2, 2018

      National could change to a new leader and sink a Freudian suggestion into the voters mind by saying they are ready to fight an early election. Once the media ran with that it would be an early election.

      • Gezza

         /  October 2, 2018

        1ewes ran a supportive news item on Jenny Salesa and Labour’s construction industry skills training program. They’ve hit 12,000 trainees if I recall correctly.

        Hipkins is getting a kicking from the Secondary Teachers AND the Primary Teachers now – more strikes coming up if the government doesn’t fork out.

        Amusing to see po-faced little Nicky Kaye whining that Labour has the money to pay them what they want but spent it on rubbish (or words to that general effect). The Nats were as tight as a drum themselves when it came to education spending.

        Chris is on the ropes here. Have these teachers and Nicky Kaye no compassion? No shame?

  11. robertguyton

     /  October 2, 2018

    worse 🙂 (Freudian? You bet!)

  12. Gezza

     /  October 2, 2018

    Good idea 👍🏼

  13. robertguyton

     /  October 2, 2018

    What’s up with Jamie Lee Ross anyone know?

    • Gezza

       /  October 2, 2018

      Mr Bridges was tight lipped other than assuring reporters this was not related to the leak of his travel expenses in any way. Although when asked had he specifically asked Mr Ross was it him he indicated only in the sense that he had asked all of his MPs as a group.

      If he’s genuinely unwell – 1 ewes said he was taking several months off – I hope that he is going to be ok, Bridges hinted it might be something embarassing – but it might have been better if he’d told people what it is. Not doing so will fuel speculation from the feverish.

      1ewes said the report of the investigation in the leak is due out next week or the week after.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 2, 2018

        It might be something that a man might not want to have everyone know about.

    • Blazer

       /  October 2, 2018

      my guess ..his wife is playing around.

  14. sorethumb

     /  October 2, 2018

    https://lareviewofbooks-org-cgwbfgl6lklqqj3f4t3.netdna-ssl.com/media/image.php?w=640&h=640&zc=1&q=80&src=%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F10%2FJordan_Peterson_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg&hash=974a530eb69b849386527ca5560f1537
    MOST LEFT-LEANING ACADEMICS and public intellectuals have greeted the rise of Canadian psychologist Jordan B. Peterson with incredulity or muted amusement. That a cranky, little-known professor could — in the space of a year — have amassed millions of YouTube followers, shifted two million books, appeared on primetime chat shows, and sold out a 20,000-seat arena tour, has drawn little serious comment from scholars of the humanities and social sciences. That these people are the most common targets of his ire — cast as evil collaborators in a conspiracy by “postmodernist neo-Marxists” to take over the universities and the whole of Western culture — makes the silence all the more remarkable.
    https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/straw-gods-a-cautious-response-to-jordan-peterson/#!

  15. Gezza

     /  October 2, 2018

    Seems reasonable.