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  1. robertguyton

     /  October 3, 2018

    Back to “Open Forum”!
    Shall we talk about Jami-Lee Ross and his “mysterious” disappearance from Parliament just as the investigation into National’s leaker gets close to completion? Aspersions are being cast by the media. Simon Bridges implications about the nature of Jami-Lees “embarrassing illness” are being criticised. No post on this, Pete?

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  October 3, 2018

    Duncan Garner,Judith Collins cheerleader is going after Simon Bridges today”how can he stay on” after using the words”embarrassing health problem”Tomorrows chitchat with Judith will be nauseating,the Cheshire cat smile will be so…wide

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    • Corky

       /  October 3, 2018

      I would be worried if I was you, Lurchy. A new National leader means the coalition is toast in 2020. ”Support Simon”should be the Left’s rally cry.

      Meanwhile, 34 jobs lost in Kaipara. No regional funding for them. And contrary to to this link, the Tegal business proposal had some regional support. Eugene Sage involved in this decision.

      https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/367712/it-s-sunny-side-up-for-kaipara-community-after-tegel-mega-farm-scrapped

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      • lurcher1948

         /  October 3, 2018

        People lose their jobs Corky, i was made redundant during Nationals reign and a mega chicken farm with tons of waste per day and a continual daily stench is not a huge loss for people who would live near it.maybe there is a site somewhere near where you live if you are so concerned…just saying

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        • Corky

           /  October 3, 2018

          Well, I’m just sayin eating comes before smellin. I have no problem with this decision as long as these people don’t whine about lack of regional developemnt.

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        • David

           /  October 3, 2018

          Its a shame the jobs arnt available but given we are importing 30,000 people a year to fill positions its hardly an issue. I would ban all caged chicken farms full stop I think they are awful, its free range for me and no problem in paying a premium for it either.

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          • Blazer

             /  October 3, 2018

            We import 30,000 people to keep wages…low…its our USP according to Sir Billy.

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            • David

               /  October 3, 2018

              Cant argue with you on that one either Blazer

      • robertguyton

         /  October 3, 2018

        2020? But Corky, you promised an early election. Many times.

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        • Corky

           /  October 3, 2018

          No, I haven’t. I did say before the last election that National should sit this term out because a Labour government/coalition would imploded with a early election a real possibility.

          However, I am close to calling an early election soon. I’m just waiting for that one incident that will buckle the camels back.

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          • lurcher1948

             /  October 3, 2018

            1 2 3 4
            Judith Collins, we don’t want you any more
            Simon will be humming this today

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            • Corky

               /  October 3, 2018

              5678.. let’s escort Cindy to the gate.
              2468.. Beryl forecast ain’t great.

            • Blazer

               /  October 3, 2018

              is Beryl your next door neighbour Corky?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 3, 2018

              1234,
              Corky’s scansion’s very poor.*
              6789,
              Unmatched syllables each line.

              Rhyming couplets need to have the same number of syllables and the same rythm in each line.

              I hope that none of the people who have stopped the chicken factory eat chicken, especially Tegel

              * so is Lurchy’s

  3. lurcher1948

     /  October 3, 2018

    Hum,they will love prison general population filled with African Americans,what could go wrong
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/charlottesville-arrests-unite-the-right-rally_us_5bb3813de4b00fe9f4fac630

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  4. sorethumb

     /  October 3, 2018

    Statue of James Cook to be removed in Gisborne
    At request of Iwi
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/367758/statue-of-james-cook-to-be-removed-in-gisborne

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    • Corky

       /  October 3, 2018

      Racism alive and well in Aotearoa.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  October 3, 2018

        Yes racism is live and well in NEW ZEALAND not that strange place called aotearoa…just flick over to general debate,kiwiblog to get your fill

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      • sorethumb

         /  October 3, 2018

        if you want to know what’s wrong with Wikipedia check out the page on Polynesian navigation it is all based on Story by Rāwiri Taonui, published 8 Feb 2005
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/canoe-navigation/page-2

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        • sorethumb

           /  October 3, 2018

          I’ll take that back. Wikipedia often allows contradictory sections:
          Knowledge of the traditional Polynesian methods of navigation was widely lost after contact with and colonization by Europeans. This caused debates over the reasons for the presence of the Polynesians in such isolated and scattered parts of the Pacific. According to Andrew Sharp, the explorer Captain James Cook, already familiar with Charles de Brosses’s accounts of large groups of Pacific islanders who were driven off course in storms and ended up hundreds of miles away with no idea where they were, encountered in the course of one of his own voyages a castaway group of Tahitians who had become lost at sea in a gale and blown 1000 miles away to the island of Atiu. Cook wrote that this incident “will serve to explain, better than the thousand conjectures of speculative reasoners, how the detached parts of the earth, and, in particular, how the South Seas, may have been peopled”.[47]

          By the late 19th century to the early 20th century, a more generous view of Polynesian navigation had come into favor, creating a much romanticized view of their seamanship, canoes, and navigational expertise. Late 19th and early 20th centuries writers such as Abraham Fornander and Percy Smith told of heroic Polynesians migrating in great coordinated fleets from Asia far and wide into present-day Polynesia.[33]

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          • Corky

             /  October 3, 2018

            Rāwiri Taonui and Malcolm Mulholland. Ignorant activists of the first water.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 3, 2018

      From the article:
      Its removal was wholeheartedly endorsed by all councillors and was especially significant to local iwi, Gisborne District Councillor Meredith Akuhata-Brown said

      “It’s significant because James never climbed Tītīrangi … and so for local iwi it’s been a massive disappointment that he’s maintained that space for as long as he has,” she said.

      The statue will be housed in Tairāwhiti Museum until a permanent place is found for it. A statue of the Māori chief Raikaitane was being considered to replace it, she said.

      I’m not seeing a problem. Sounds like a sensible proposal, all things considered.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 3, 2018

      ‘Tuia – Encounters 250’ Sestercentennial celebrations have been significantly adapted from a singular spotlight on Cook’s arrival towards “focusing on a dual heritage with a shared future.”

      “It’s no longer a one-sided Cook story and we’ve gone to great pains to make sure it’s about the first meetings …

      Māori Party co-leader Marama Fox said New Zealand should also acknowledge great Māori leaders and celebrate their bravery in the face of the adversity not the tyranny of the majority.”

      https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/309917/gisborne-the-city-of-two-people,-one-story

      But even the remotest restoration of balance in Aotearoa New Zealand’s story is seen as “racism” by the Right Brigade ….

      We must re-establish the notion that Cook “discovered” New Zealand … CHAAAARRGE!!!!

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  October 3, 2018

    I hope the tents are fireproof or trumps name will be spat on forever, PEDOS PARADISE

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  October 3, 2018

    Hey mate if you think things are bad,try posting on a nearby rightwing blog stating your case and mentioning you are a muslim,then you will experience tatred and abuse
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107492856/man-who-arrived-as-asylum-seeker-leaving-after-life-in-nz-failed-to-deliver

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    • lurcher1948

       /  October 3, 2018

      Hatred

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    • Corky

       /  October 3, 2018

      I feel sorry for him. ( apart from the fake passport) What he experienced was Kiwi racism and ignorance. The type that confuses Sikh with Muslims; mangles Maori names;kills babies and has a very insular worldview.

      Any bets on the ethnicity of the fee runners?

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  7. Blazer

     /  October 3, 2018

    ‘Sayed Sadat arrived in Auckland on a fake passport on August 1, 2001. He was offered residency nine months later.

    Seventeen years later, he is selling his car to fund a one-way ticket back to the place from which he fled.’

    ‘Within two years of arriving in New Zealand, Sadat had moved his five children over.’

    So the 5 children are going back too are they….????
    No sympathy here.

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  8. Corky

     /  October 3, 2018

    Well now, I estimated 4000 Muslims in NZ who either support terrorism, or would be prepared to engage in a terrorist act in some capacity.

    I took some stick for that.

    This author puts the figure a 6000 for the combined Australian Muslim population.

    Quote:

    ”The Muslim population in Australia and New Zealand is reckoned to be 2.1%. That number grew 600% between 1991 and 2006. That is 630,000 Muslims in Australasia. If 1% are radicalised or capable of being radicalised then that means we have some 6,000 odd dangerous people living among us, determined to wreck our Western way of life,. If Brigitte is correct it could be 95,000 to 160,000 corrupt neighbours along our streets focused on destroying our traditions.”

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/10/the-pathway-we-are-and-concerns-about-world-religions/

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    • Corky

       /  October 3, 2018

      *Australasian*

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 3, 2018

        Racist, xenophobic paranoia based upon pure ignorance and bigotry,

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 3, 2018

          Your estimate is hardly likely to have any validity as it’s based upon guesswork with not facts to back it up…and ignores the fact that many NZ Muslims came here to escape terrorism.

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        • Missy

           /  October 3, 2018

          Really Kitty? If you take Europe as an example it is probably not too far off.

          In the UK more than 2% of the population either sympathise with or support jihad terrorism

          In In 2015 at the height of the illegal immigration crisis in Europe approximately 2-5% of the illegals who made it into a camp had jihadist material on them, including information on carrying out attacks.

          The thing is that these issues are not discussed because people like you immediately label anyone wanting to discuss the problems of high levels of Muslim immigration as racist and xenophobic. We will never be able to discuss any of the issues when there are those like you in society who try to shut down the debate, and by the time you realise it will be too late.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  October 3, 2018

      Wow Corky can you tell me when I’m going to die, i don’t want to be there when it happens

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      • Corky

         /  October 3, 2018

        I wouldn’t have a clue. Did Muslim terrorists give Europeans a warning before they mowed down men, women and children?

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  9. Corky

     /  October 3, 2018

    The Project went on a pro vaccination rant over this billboard. I bet not one of these prats has actually seen the inslip that accompanies vaccination shots.

    This may be another case of suppression of free speech.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/10/anti-vax-billboard-to-be-removed-after-140-complaints.html

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    • lurcher1948

       /  October 3, 2018

      The right here talk tough on what they could do if they had backbones, so here is a motivational video to face the JACINDA effect

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      • Corky

         /  October 3, 2018

        Don’y you worry none, Lurchy. Your coalition is getting the wobbles like a plate of jelly.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 3, 2018

      Suppression of emotive and inaccurate scaremongering, more like, that encourages the paranoia and nonsense about vaccination. Measles is just one disease that needs to be eradicated. Blindness, pneumonia and the other side effects are not worth the risk of this childhood illness that kills an unacceptably high number of children every year. Polio shouldn’t need to have its effects and the desirability of eradicating it explained.

      Even whooping cough can be deadly to a small victim of this horrible disease, and anyone who has had mumps and remembers what agony it was to have it would surely not wish it on anyone else. I certainly wouldn’t. What sort of sadist would want a child to have that level of pain inflicted on it ?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 3, 2018

        Lurch, I remember the fuss that the US YMCA made over the YMCA song 😀

        The spokesman for YMCA here said that while it might not have been their first choice, it was all free publicity for the company (or words to that effect) 😀

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  10. duperez

     /  October 3, 2018

    Jordan occasionally features here. He likes publicity for himself and his organisation.

    Intriguing to see if David Garrett comments about this on Kiwiblog.

    “How right-wing lobby group NZ Taxpayers’ Union used false identities to make OIA request – and how it got caught”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12133419

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    • Gezza

       /  October 3, 2018

      Whoops – I just posted that in Media Watch. Soz.

      Ok, I’ll take this one.
      . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

      Eighty per cent of chief executives are worried about a personal attack from Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones.

      The New Zealand First MP has come under harsh criticism recently for his attacks on private business and business leaders.

      “Shane Jones is two-faced,” a banking boss said in the Herald’s Mood of the Boardroom survey.

      “He’s happy to come along to your corporate box, drink your wine, eat your buffet and watch the rugby, and tell everyone how much he’s in touch with the business community and turn around the next day and slag you off to get a cheap headline. At least with Winston Peters and some of the Greens you always know where you stand.”
      More…
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12135746

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      • robertguyton

         /  October 3, 2018

        “Eighty per cent of chief executives are worried about a personal attack from Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones.”

        That sounds like … tripe.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 3, 2018

          Sure does. I can’t see it keeping many awake at night. And those it does probably already need sedatives and to see a psychologist anyway.

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  11. Corky

     /  October 3, 2018

    Ethylmercury now removed from most childhood vaccines. Starting in 1999. Although it may still be present in the MMR Vaccine.

    Its inclusion was based on poor extrapolated science. Tough biscuits for kids who received it.
    The good news is it’s only present in the body for a week, and apparently is excreted well..according to quack science?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylmercury

    Ah, but not to worry the Health Ministry would give parents a rundown of ingredients.
    I mean, it’s about being informed and not listening to emotive bs.

    Here it is.. no inslip needed:

    https://www.healthnavigator.org.nz/medicines/m/measles-mumps-and-rubella-mmr-vaccine/

    This is being informed..New Zealand style.

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    • Griff.

       /  October 3, 2018

      Antivaxers should be shot.
      You scum kill kids .

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      • Corky

         /  October 3, 2018

        Who said I’m an anti-vaxxer, you emotional prick? Anything to add to the debate apart from nothing?

        If you are a man of science you certainly aren’t showing it.

        It’s about being fully informed about all aspects of vaccinations. That isn’t happening in my opinion.

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    • Griff.

       /  October 3, 2018

      Although it may still be present in the MMR Vaccine.

      Rather than make shite up actually find out,
      You are not smart enough to do that for your self.

      MMR as used in NZ
      http://www.immune.org.nz/sites/default/files/vaccines/datasheets/Priorix%20data%20sheet%20November%202017.pdf

      PHARMACEUTICAL PARTICULARS
      6.1
      List of excipients
      Powder: Lactose monohydrate, amino acids, mannitol and sorbitol
      . Diluent: Water for injections.
      Residues:
      Neomycin sulphate

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      • Corky

         /  October 3, 2018

        Rather than make shite up actually find out,”

        I haven’t been interested in this since the Wakefield fiasco. Hence I wrote this Einstein:

        ”Ethylmercury now removed from most childhood vaccines. Starting in 1999. Although it may still be present in the MMR Vaccine.”

        Don’t make bullshit up out of the truth.

        ”You are not smart enough to do that for your self.”

        No, I just wasn’t interested. The subject is, does that bill board message have a point?
        It does in my opinion.

        List of excipients:

        Mannitol: Taken out of my hydrogen water pills because it was stuffing peoples digestive tracts up.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannitol

        Sorbitol: latest research not good regarding these type of sweeteners. WHGI

        https://www.drugs.com/mtm/sorbitol.html

        Now, in your ignorant thrashing around trying to explain things you have no understanding of, you may say: ”but we are talking small quantities of these adjuncts.” True, but we are talking about small babies with a developing immune systems.

        Read up on when Japanese start their immunisations schedule.

        We still haven’t discussed the active ingredients yet.

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  12. sorethumb

     /  October 3, 2018

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  13. Gezza

     /  October 4, 2018

    Corrections cuts prison numbers by stepping up successful parole hearings
    The prison population dipped below 10,000 this week for the first time in more than two years.

    Since 1987, the number of people locked up had tripled – a result of successive tough law-and-order policies. Politicians have been slow to soften their stance, and change those laws, even though the system was creaking under the pressure. So the milestone – achieved quietly on Thursday with 9920 inmates behind bars – is the result of an intensive, internal effort by the Department of Corrections.

    And it comes as Stuff can reveal a new plan to fast-track prisoners through their parole hearings.

    Senior Corrections manager Leigh Marsh calls parole the “back end” of his department’s work. “Probably about a third of our work is looking at how we prepare our long-serving prisoners for their parole hearings, for release.”

    But National’s Corrections spokesman David Bennett believes the changes are not enough to achieve ambitious targets set by the Government. Justice Minister Andrew Little has said he wants to see the prison population fall by 30 per cent within 15 years.

    Bennett says the Labour-led Government doesn’t have the “political stomach” to relax sentencing and bail laws, necessary to achieve that drop. National doesn’t want them to change either – but Bennett’s worried that “political interference” will threaten the integrity of the Corrections system. “Often these programmes are a tick-box exercise for prisoners. Speeding up these decisions could be detrimental to the quality of Corrections work.
    More…
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107588798/corrections-cuts-prison-numbers-by-stepping-up-successful-parole-hearings

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