Appalling victim mockery by Donald Trump

Even by Donald Trump’s standards his mocking of Christine Blasey Ford at a political rally was appalling. He has attacked her already, but this took his boorishness, misogyny and inappropriateness to a new level of low.

And while he seems to get a sick kick out of mocking people in order to feed his narcissism, and it has often worked with his base of support, this time it may backfire in his attempt to nominate Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.

Votes may (and should) swing against Kavanaugh over this latest Trump cringe.

Washington Post – ‘Just plain wrong’: Flake, Collins and Murkowski criticize Trump for mocking Kavanaugh accuser at political rally

A trio of Republican senators crucial to the confirmation prospects of Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh criticized President Trump on Wednesday for mocking the account of a woman who has accused his Supreme Court nominee of sexual assault decades ago.

In separate interviews, Sens. Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Susan Collins (Maine) and Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) — all considered swing votes on Kavanaugh — took issue with comments the president made the night before at a political rally in Mississippi that drew laughs from his supporters.

“There’s no time and no place for remarks like that,” Flake (R-Ariz.) said on NBC’s “Today” show. “To discuss something this sensitive at a political rally is just not right. It’s just not right. I wish he hadn’t done it. . . . It’s kind of appalling.”

About two hours after Flake’s appearance, Collins also took exception to Trump’s remarks, telling reporters, “The president’s comments were just plain wrong.”

Speaking to reporters early Wednesday afternoon, Murkowski said: “I thought the President’s comments yesterday mocking Dr. Ford were wholly inappropriate and in my view unacceptable.”

Would this affect their Kavanaugh vote?

Collins:

She did not answer a question about whether the comments could affect how she votes on Kavanaugh.

Murkowski:

“I am taking everything into account.”

Flake…

…Flake, the Judiciary Committee member who pushed to delay the vote on Kavanaugh so the FBI could investigate, later told The Washington Post that Trump’s comments would not factor into his thinking on the nomination.

“You can’t take it out on other people, the president’s insensitive remarks,” he said.

It’s hard to see it not having an effect.

See also NBC News:  Sen. Flake says he was ‘troubled’ by Kavanaugh’s partisan tone at hearing

Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) said he was very troubled by the tone of Judge Kavanaugh’s remarks during his testimony and added, “we can’t have this on the court.”

It is disgraceful enough on it’s own for a president to publicly mock someone’s claims of sexual assault.

But worse, it will feed the attacks on Blasey Ford by others.

This is a new low, fed from the highest level, on dealing with the insidious and huge problem of sexual assault.

It could have been just unthinking of Trump about the implications of his actions, he seems to have a tendency to only think of himself and his own selfish needs, but quite possibly Trump has done this with the intention of deterring anyone else from speaking up about sexual assault. That would be even more appalling.

And the awful actions of the president reflect very poorly on the United States. Is this an irreversible slide of a once great country?

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  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 4, 2018

    Her ridiculous and offensive claims with no context and no visible means of support clearly made and timed with political motives don’t deserve mocking? Well, I don’t know what does then.

    I haven’t noticed Trump’s opponents shy about mocking him but isn’t it awful if he retaliates?!

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    • I’m surprised you’re trying to defend Trump on this. And resorting to victim blaming. But Trump’s intent seems to have been to stoke that sort of thing.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 4, 2018

        I’m surprised you don’t answer my points. Indignstion doesn’t cut it.

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        • You haven’t made points, just general assertions.

          Offensive claims? Political motives?

          Presidents have been mocked for a long time. Most of them respect their position and don’t lower themselves to dirty discrediting – they usually leave that to others.

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          • Corky

             /  October 4, 2018

            To be fair, Pete. President Trumpy is a special president. The usual rules don’t apply to him.

            However, on the brighter side, I listened to some pencil necked geek who was explaining how Trump would be investigated for past financial dealings.
            Maybe they will pin something on him this time around. He had Democrat written all over him.

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            • Gezza

               /  October 4, 2018

              People often end up regretting that sort of all over tattooing.

              Was it just letters or did he have pics of donkeys or Hillers in a bikini or what?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  October 4, 2018

            You don’t dispute any of those “assertions”, PG? Seem pretty factual to me. Likewise Trump’s “mockings” as I detailed above. Not dirty, simply factual.

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      • david in aus

         /  October 4, 2018

        Who is the Victim? I think you are leaping to conclusions. There are allegations but no has no agreement on the crime, the participants and the victim. Kavanaugh could be also considered as a ‘Victim ‘depending on your perspective, according to Lindsay Graham.

        The term Victim or Victim blaming has connations and should be used in this context. If Ford is a Victim, it is damaging to her if people do not validate her and I can understand the empathy to her. But assumptions should not be made.

        Ongoing revelations are troubling, Ford’s ex-long-term boyfriend contradicted her testimony when she denied coaching people on polygraph testing. She has also refused to release her counseling notes.

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        • David in Aus

           /  October 4, 2018

          Should be “The term Victim or Victim blaming has connations and should NOT be used in this context”

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        • Gezza

           /  October 4, 2018

          Who is the Victim?

          Jesus, David. No contest, imo. If you follow Trump’s twitter feed he’s the world’s biggest victim. Ever. Period. 😐

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          • David in aus

             /  October 4, 2018

            I am not a victim nor was Jesus.

            Darn, I have ceded the moral high ground.

            Yours sincerely,
            David in aus

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        • Kevin.H.

           /  October 4, 2018

          Ford’s testimony could very well be a piece of well- crafted theatre, completely contrived and orchestrated by the Democrats. Trumps public missive of mocking her testimony suggests there may be some inside knowledge that she is indeed lying, that her recollection of events lack credibility.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 4, 2018

      “‘How did you get home?'” Trump said. “‘I don’t remember.’ ‘How’d you get there?’ ‘I don’t remember.’ ‘Where is the place?’ I don’t remember.’ ‘How many years ago was it?’ ‘I don’t know.'”

      “‘What neighborhood was it in?'” he continued, as the crowd cheered and clapped. “‘I don’t know.’ ‘Where’s the house?’ ‘I don’t know.’ ‘Upstairs, downstairs, where was it?’ ‘I don’t know, but I had one beer.’ ‘That’s the only thing I remember.'”

      Kavanaugh has unequivocally denied Ford’s allegation and provided his calendars from the period, which do not show the party she described.

      The three other people Ford has named as attendees have said they have no memory of the party, including a life-long friend of Ford’s who says she has never met Kavanaugh, though she believes Ford’s accusation.

      “A man’s life is in tatters,” Trump said Tuesday. “His wife is shattered.”

      “They destroy people,” he added, presumably referring to the Democrats who have led the opposition to Kavanaugh. “They want to destroy people. These are really evil people.”

      The president in particular criticized some Democrats’ statements that Kavanaugh does not deserve a presumption of innocence.

      “Guilty until proven innocent, that’s very dangerous for our country,” Trump said. “I have it myself all the time, but for me it’s like part of the job description. … Let it happen to me. It shouldn’t happen to him.”

      https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/409596-trump-mocks-ford-testimony-at-mississippi-rally

      Soumds entirely reasonable to me.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  October 4, 2018

      Old White trump supporters, no surprises here, some here should look into a mirror

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 4, 2018

        Is Ford young and black Lurch?

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        • Corky

           /  October 4, 2018

          Good ole racist Lurchy. A cheer leader for anything that is anti Trump. Too many dog shows have taken their toll.

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          • lurcher1948

             /  October 4, 2018

            “Events” Corky…Trump the poor mans idiot

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            • Corky

               /  October 4, 2018

              ”Events.”? Know your station in life. Don’t big note !

              ”Trump the poor mans idiot.”

              The only idiots are the last five presidents who proceeded him….and the people who think Trump is an idiot.

            • Gezza

               /  October 4, 2018

              😡
              Lurch is quite right Corks !

              RED is an athlete. So’s Lurch – we’ve seen him on video.
              They are eventing, not attending canine fashion shows 😐

            • Corky

               /  October 4, 2018

              Ok, fair enough.

              *Preceded*

          • Gezza

             /  October 4, 2018

            👍

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            • Blazer

               /  October 4, 2018

              how come Lurch doesn’t have to leap the obstacles…too!

            • Gezza

               /  October 4, 2018

              He does. He’s so fast the camera can’t catch it.

            • lurcher1948

               /  October 4, 2018

              Its an agility “event” not show, and thanks Gezza,a blast from the past those were the days when courses were easy,again thanks for posting

            • Gezza

               /  October 4, 2018

              No worries, neighbour. My pleasure. I really enjoy that video, mon ami.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 4, 2018

              It doesn’t look THAT easy to me. I am very impressed with the style of RED (Old Velvet Ears) He is very smooth, great ease of movement between one obstacle and the next.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 4, 2018

              The PDT begs to differ.

              Corky calls Lurch a racist. ???

        • MaureenW

           /  October 4, 2018

          Old white men are the current target of left-leaning lunatics. This is what the tribe has told them to attack.

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      • Zedd

         /  October 4, 2018

        Old ‘white men.. they look more like REDS… than white.. 😦

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  2. David

     /  October 4, 2018

    All the allegations are falling apart and Fords are collapsing as well and looks like she lied. She was asked if she has ever helped anyone prep for a polygraph, she lied. She told the committee she had a fear of flying because of the alleged attack well she flies all the time and always has done. She told the committee she had another door to exit her home installed as well but it turns out she had a boarder. The number of people and the location of the party has changed on 3 recollections and the 3 other people say the party never happened and one of the people has never even met Kavanaugh.
    She wont hand over her therapists notes, she wont hand over the whole video of her polygraph and her life and yearbooks have been scrubbed from the internet in preperation for dropping her story at a time that had the most impact. She is now a millionaire via Go Fund Me and she was very very evasive about what other funding was coming her way because someone is picking up the bills.

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    • JohnSelway

       /  October 4, 2018

      Ummm, I have a fear of flying and I fly all the time and all over the world because sometimes there is no other option.

      To claim that makes Ford dishonest is just plain fucking stupid

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  October 4, 2018

        Except in this case she said she couldn’t fly to the hearing due to her fear of flying, despite the fact she flies regularly for work, holiday and hobbies.

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        • David

           /  October 4, 2018

          And flew to the hearing

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 4, 2018

            Didn’t she say that she wouldn’t and hadn’t although she had ?

            This woman doesn’t seem like a victim to me. I hate to agree with Trump, I really do, but would have to in this case.

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  3. David

     /  October 4, 2018

    The former boyfriend, whose name was redacted in the declaration, also said Ford neither mentioned Kavanaugh nor mentioned she was a victim of sexual misconduct during the time they were dating from about 1992 to 1998. He said he saw Ford going to great lengths to help a woman he believed was her “life-long best friend” prepare for a potential polygraph test. He added that the woman, Monica McLean, had been interviewing for jobs with the FBI and U.S. Attorney’s office.

    He further claimed that Ford never voiced any fear of flying (even while aboard a propeller plane) and seemingly had no problem living in a “very small,” 500 sq. ft. apartment with one door — apparently contradicting her claims that she could not testify promptly in D.C. because she felt uncomfortable traveling on planes, as well as her suggestion that her memories of Kavanuagh’s alleged assault prompted her to feel unsafe living in a closed space or one without a second front door.

    Ford “never expressed a fear of closed quarters, tight spaces, or places with only one exit,” the former boyfriend wrote.

    However, on Thursday, Ford testified, “I was hoping to avoid getting on an airplane. But I eventually was able to get up the gumption with the help of some friends and get on the plane.” She also acknowledged regularly — and, in her words, “unfortunately” — traveling on planes for work and hobbies.

    And Ford explicitly told Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., on Thursday that she had a second front door installed in her home because of “anxiety, phobia and PTSD-like symptoms” that she purportedly suffered in the wake of Kavanaugh’s alleged attack at a house party in the 1980s — “more especially, claustrophobia, panic and that type of thing.”

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 4, 2018

      Is there any evidence of door II ?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 4, 2018

        Yes, but it seems as if it was put in to make a seperate entrance for what’s called a ‘suite’ there. It’s part of the house that is or was rented out like a little flat.

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  4. Corky

     /  October 4, 2018

    Unprofessional? Yes. But Ford is partly a self diagnosised abuse victim and a liar in my opinion.

    As I said the other day…the Dems have won this process no matter which way the decision goes. So I have no problem with her being shown up for what she is. It she wants to contradict herself on the stand then she should expect some odium.

    President Trumpy is also right about these times being dangerous for young men. Even older men need to be careful.

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    • Especially at risk are young men or older men who could be the victims of sexual assault. And more especially, most women.

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  5. David

     /  October 4, 2018

    The Swetnick allegations from porn lawyer Avanatti have totally fallen apart and she may find herself with a perjury problem. Her NBC interview was excruciating and she walked back pretty much everything.

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  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 4, 2018

    Lefty twits with no answers just downtick here.

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    • Griff.

       /  October 4, 2018

      Why reply to your blind worship of the great orange nut ?
      I have pointed out more than once that Conservative judges USA style are against your own view’s .
      Here abortion rights are a given .
      Not so in the usa having this man on the supreme court will result on the right for a woman to have control of her own body being eroded.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  October 4, 2018

        Kavanaugh has said Roe V Wade is settled precedent, so who do you think is about to overturn it?

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      • Pink David

         /  October 4, 2018

        “Not so in the usa having this man on the supreme court will result on the right for a woman to have control of her own body being eroded.”

        You do understand that the supreme court ruling allowing abortion only has importance because there is simply no way a bill legalising abortion would ever make it through the house don’t you?

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  October 4, 2018

      Maybe you are posting repetitive rubbish which doesn’t dignify a reply hence a downtick suffices.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 4, 2018

        Still no challenge to the facts then? Just a verbal downtick like PG.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  October 4, 2018

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 4, 2018

        I think you should change your meds, Lurch, before they overtake you.

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        • Corky

           /  October 4, 2018

          It’s not good, Alan. Each line represents one week. Notice how the words are getting bigger. Lurchy is heading for a climax. 😃

          Saints of Righteousness protect us.

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          • Gezza

             /  October 4, 2018

            You’ve just got a problem with your outlook.
            You need to be more positive.

            Try looking at it UPwards. Does that feel better? o_O

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            • Corky

               /  October 4, 2018

              No, because that means he is going to implode. Either way it’s a mess.

            • Gezza

               /  October 4, 2018

              🙄 You just can’t help some people. :/

          • lurcher1948

             /  October 4, 2018

            Star trek

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  7. Corky

     /  October 4, 2018

    Where’s Joe Bloggs? We need the latest goss from his secret sources in the States.

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  8. duperez

     /  October 4, 2018

    As I said yesterday, he’s a child. He’s also got no class, is a bully, a smart-arse, a narcissist, and the President of the United States.
    Some think those qualities are acceptable because Trump is going to ‘drain the swamp.’
    The Evans-Pritchard story in the Herald today gives another line on and hints at the purity of that exercise.

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    • Corky

       /  October 4, 2018

      Like I said, Duperez, they are bound to hit something sooner or later. The fun for me will be after he leaves office. The cheering multitudes of liberals will be yet to realise…what next? I can’t wait.

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  9. Patzcuaro

     /  October 4, 2018
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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 4, 2018

      None of those suggestions would protect you from a demented accuser supported by your political enemies 35years later.

      Ford’s known lies shows she is a fantasist. The Left doesn’t care.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 4, 2018

        Trump’s lies are so numerous they show HE’S a bloody fantasist. The Trumpeters don’t care.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  October 4, 2018

          No, the difference is that Ford believes hers. Trump knows his are just hyperbole and showmanship. That is what makes her a dangerous fantasist whereas he is not.

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          • Gezza

             /  October 4, 2018

            And your evidence that Trump knows that his lies are just hyperbole and showpersonship is … ? o_O

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 4, 2018

              He’ll happily contradict them whenever it suits his purposes.

            • Gezza

               /  October 4, 2018

              That’s just a memory like a sieve.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 4, 2018

              Contradicting one’s own lies doesn’t make them not lies.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 4, 2018

              But it shows he is not a fantasist like Ford. And most of his “lies” are just hyperbole as I have noted before.

            • Gezza

               /  October 4, 2018

              His lies are lies. As I have explained before.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 4, 2018

              We are well aware of your self-delusions, Sir Gerald. Hyperbole is not a lie if the audience is expected to understand it is an exaggeration. In your case we understand that claiming hyperbole is a lie is actually your own lie.

            • Gezza

               /  October 4, 2018

              I’ll let you have the last word here, if you like, to stop you further embarrassing yourself, Sir Alan.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 4, 2018

              By your uneducated standard then metaphors are also lies, Sir Gerald. Which just shows how stupid it is.

  10. Blazer

     /  October 4, 2018

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 4, 2018

      Unfunny and feeble. It it’s meant to be satire, it fails dismally.

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  11. FarmerPete

     /  October 4, 2018

    Fords testimony is riddled with inaccuracies, probable lies and is being weaponised by the DNC, who shout the uncorroborated allegations from the roof tops, but the person accused has got to be respectful of her in defending himself! All her witnesses have failed to materialise and in fact support Kavanaugh. Now the bogey of victim shaming. The truth hurts. Toughen up everyone the outrage is misplaced and being used as an offensive weapon.

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  12. David

     /  October 4, 2018

    The ironic thing is the Dems and their media mates have instead of motivating their base has got the Eepublicans fired up in a way unseen since 2016.
    He will be confirmed and the Republicans will retain the senate and perhaps even the house.

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  13. Zedd

     /  October 4, 2018

    MrT just playing up to his Alt-Right support base.. inc. ‘Women’ ?

    Interestingly; I hear that a few weeks ago, he said that Dr Ford was ‘a credible witness’.. more evidence that he says one thing, from one side of his mouth & the opposite from the other side 😦

    meanwhile announcing his ‘Bromance with MrK’ (who were staunch enemies.. not so long ago.. CRAZY man !

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  14. Corky

     /  October 4, 2018

    You want mocking? Here it is, tough guys. Makes up for all those late night hosts making fine of Trumpy. This sheila aces it.

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    • adamsmith1922

       /  October 4, 2018

      just for the record, as a rightist, I find Ford believable and Trump and Kavanaugh abhorrent. Some of us have principles. BTW I also detest Ardern and find Bridges uninspiring.

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  15. lurcher1948

     /  October 4, 2018

    As an afterthought, our discussion hasn’t gone the way every post on kiwiblog goes, where everyone tries to outdo each other with nastiness, the C word etc etc, we are SO civil and polite…good moderation PG

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  16. David

     /  October 4, 2018

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-never-conservatives-1538608630

    Media are starting to turn, the public have turned and once again Trump is in tune with the man/woman on the street. The poll numbers coming through are showing the anger at the way the Dems have played this, women are seemingly more angry than men.

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  17. MaureenW

     /  October 4, 2018

    No corroborating evidence of sexual misconduct allegations against Kavanagh. Bring on the vote. If it wasn’t obvious before I don’t have much sympathy with this woman 30 years after the fact, who can’t remember the facts.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-finds-no-corroboration-of-sexual-misconduct-allegations-against-kavanaugh-in-fbi-report-wsj

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  18. duperez

     /  October 4, 2018

    I reckon it’s really funny when someone like Ford, who is trying to rain on President Trump’s parade, is rubbished and has no credibility in the eyes of supporters of said Trump, because ‘she’s a liar.’

    In the week the NYTimes exposé comes out it’s even more hilarious.🙂

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    • MaureenW

       /  October 4, 2018

      Just forgetful and can’t produce evidence from 35 years ago.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 5, 2018

      It’s strange and disturbing you find it odd that accusations by a liar should be discredited by anyone. You need to reconsider where your politics are taking you.

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