James Shaw on progress on the Zero Carbon Bill

On Newshub Nation this morning (repeated Sunday morning):

As the Government inches closer to passing the Zero Carbon Bill into law, Emma Jolliff asks its architect and Party co-leader James Shaw what the chances are of getting New Zealand’s farmers across the line.

From Thursday: Zero Carbon consultation feedback shows strong support for climate action

The Ministry for the Environment has today released a summary of submissions made during consultation on the proposed Zero Carbon Bill.

“I firstly want to thank all those people who made submissions on the Bill,” James Shaw said.

“The vast majority of respondents want New Zealand to do everything we can to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions as much as possible, and offset the remainder, to reach ‘net-zero’ emissions by 2050.

It should be remembered that submissions are a democratic process, not a democratic measure, so the number of submissions for or against something is not a measure of public support. It is more an indication of levels of organises lobbying.

“At the same time, there was a strong representation from people and businesses who, whilst supporting the overall direction, expressed caution about the speed and scale of the transition and the pressure it will put their sectors under.

“We have to ensure that those concerns are heard and included as we put together the final shape of the Zero Carbon Bill. We need to take everyone with us and leave no one behind.

  • A full report of the submissions is available here.
  • The Ministry for the Environment media release is here.
  • The summary of Zero Carbon Bill submissions is here.

I’ll be busy doing some of my zero net carbon (-ish) tree felling and firewood cutting so might get a chance to add to this later.

 

 

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  1. robertguyton

     /  October 6, 2018

    Lobbying groups skewed the results? Where were the usual crowd who don’t want changes to the status quo, who want to continue to pour CO2, methane and nitrous oxide into the atmosphere so they can continue their BAU. Nah. I reckon a fair cross section of New Zealanders don’t want to wreck the place by provoking climate change and do want to be part of a programme to save us all from a pounding by the weather and the ocean. The results; 91% wanting zero emissions, is an accurate representation.

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    • If the committee does it’s job then lobbying groups won’t skew the results, they are aware of what lobbying groups do.

      People who claim numbers of submissions for or against are a measure of public support try to skew the perception of results.

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      • robertguyton

         /  October 6, 2018

        Did you submit on the Bill, Pete?

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        • No. I’ve never submitted on a bill. I don’t have the time to do it properly, nor generally the expertise, and I won’t do template submissions.

          I intend to submit on judicial reform because that’s something I have experience with. One problem with the courts struggling to deal with volume is they are far too soft on vexatious litigators who abuse processes to pursue vindictive agendas.

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    • Pink David

       /  October 6, 2018

      ” The results; 91% wanting zero emissions, is an accurate representation.”

      Did your poll include mention of the personal cost each of those people will pay for carbon zero?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 6, 2018

        I have heard that mass ‘template’ submissions (if they are what I think they are) are filed in the old round file.

        I totally agree about the vexatious litigators like Graham McCready and Dermot Nottingham.

        I have a memory of a news item about someone who’d been declared a vexatious litigant and banned from doing more; Is this right ?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 6, 2018

          It seems to be, thank goodness.

          The problem is that the person has to BE one before they can be DECLARED one.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 6, 2018

            Sad old PDTs with nothing better to do on Saturday afternoon than seek out posts to downtick. Why not give yourselves a real thrill and join a tiddlywinks club ?

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      • Noel

         /  October 6, 2018

        Kind reminds me of the original Emissions Trading Scheme. Opportunity for polluters who could not mitigate all emissions by buying forests to off set and save the business and jobs.
        Eventually modified where all costs are past down to purchaser and small and medium businesses did not have to register.
        Don’t count me in the supporters for zero.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 6, 2018

      An accurate representation of what? That 9% of Greens don’t want (net) zero emissions? That 99.9% of those opposed to the policy know that making a submission to a Green minister is a complete waste of time and energy? That 91% of submitters believe someone else will pay the costs?

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  2. Zedd

     /  October 6, 2018

    onya James.. keep up the great mahi 🙂

    btw; it was interesting to see Dr Norman on the panel.. ‘laying it straight on the line & cutting through the B-S’

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  3. robertguyton

     /  October 6, 2018

    James looks very professional. The Greens modern face is appealing to a wider audience and their appeal will grow and grow as a result.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 6, 2018

      I would think that the people who do submissions generally are more likely to be pro than anti.

      How is cutting and burning trees zero carbon, Pete ? Isn’t it the opposite ?

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      • Ray

         /  October 6, 2018

        I presume it is like the straw burn offs that bring the greenies out in a hot flush every autumn.
        The carbon is from the atmosphere and while burning releases some back, more is sequestered in the soil etc, so in total there is less in the atmosphere.
        So a win.

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    • Blazer

       /  October 6, 2018

      last poll had the Greens losing ground Robert…around 4%.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 6, 2018

        Why are there so few polls in this country? It’s got me beat. You’d think the news orgs themselves would be wanting more. They get so ecstatic when they do get some results.

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        • Noel

           /  October 6, 2018

          I’m with whoever it was said “the only poll that matters is the one of voting day.”

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          • Gezza

             /  October 6, 2018

            Well, me too. but between-election polls can have a big impact on that poll. Where they influence who the leader is at the time for example. Or what policies are on offer.

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