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9 October 2018

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  1. lurcher1948

     /  October 9, 2018

    So I was listening to the NewstalkZB news this morning and the newsreader used the phrase when describing Jacinda Arderns enquiry into petrol costs”virtue signalling” and I thought WTF use English not words from rightwing blogs.Virtue signalling what does it mean????to the average person.

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  2. Pickled Possum

     /  October 9, 2018

    Wine and Oreo’s Contaminated With Monsanto Chemicals

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  3. Corky

     /  October 9, 2018

    New is breaking from an inquest that a British Police officer stayed in his car and locked the doors while another officer was stabbed to death by a vicious Muslim.

    Meanwhile, a German dad has been charged with trying to protect his daughter from assault by a refugee. The German people can’t believe this. You are a little late to the party, guys. This matter is best dealt with by the far Right..vote for them.

    https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/10/german-father-charged-for-protecting-his-daughter-against-sexual-assault-by-migrant/

    Demographics anyone?

    https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/06/white-brits-soon-a-minority-in-britains-second-largest-city-where-50000-cannot-speak-english/

    Reality check for Liberals.

    https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/10/pro-migrant-protesters-robbed-of-gold-necklace-by-migrants-after-attending-protest/

    Perhaps Muslims are right. Infidels may be as backward as them.

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201805031064128886-finland-court-sex-minor-not-rape/

    Feeling jealous in love? Why not skin your oppositions penis?

    https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/09/four-migrants-convicted-of-skinning-a-mans-penis-with-a-knife-in-denmark/

    From conquerors of great empires…to prats who have no idea on how to protect their mother land.

    https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/06/spain-socialist-ruling-party-wants-to-give-migrants-the-right-to-vote/

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    • Missy

       /  October 9, 2018

      “New is breaking from an inquest that a British Police officer stayed in his car and locked the doors while another officer was stabbed to death by a vicious Muslim.”

      I caught this on the radio on the way home tonight, I think they said it was the acting head of the Met Police (it was before Cressida Dick took over as the Commissioner).

      He said he had no protective gear, no weapons (not even pepper spray), no two way radio etc. Basically he went out with nothing.

      Though to be fair it was never said why he was out in his car, it is possible that he had been out when it happened, and was caught up in it with nothing to defend himself, New Scotland Yard HQ (which had only just opened) is just down the road. I haven’t heard all of his testimony, and the media are being very selective what they are reporting, so without context I am a little hesitant about criticising him too quickly, because with nothing to defend himself he could have ended up a victim as well, and depending on where his car was, it is possible even if he had got out he may have been too late anyway.

      Though he should have at least got out and helped the other people injured, even if he couldn’t help the officer killed.

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      • Corky

         /  October 9, 2018

        Thanks for the goss, Missy.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 9, 2018

          Voice of Europe is a discredited source of dubious ‘news’ stories.

          Twitter has banned it.

          The stories are not backed up as a rule and are sensationalist and racist, as well as being biassed.

          It is NOT a credible or creditable news source.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 9, 2018

            It has performed very poorly in fact checks, which is no surprise.

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  4. sorethumb

     /  October 9, 2018

    Peterson stumbleth
    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/10/07/jordan-peterson-kavanaugh-should-step-down-from-supreme-court-to-have-his-name-cleared/

    The problem is he can’t be everywhere at once: he thinks some things through deeply and others are on the periphery. Eg climate change, population and European identity.

    He has lost a lot of Patreon support.

    Andrew Harland-Smith
    19 hrs
    So evidently, in light of Jordan Peterson’s claim that Brett Kavanaugh should stand down, enough people have become disillusioned with him to revoke their patronage of him.

    Now, it should be said that, in my opinion, Peterson’s comments were significantly misguided. But disowning the man, or otherwise refusing to listen to him because he’s said one thing wrong is the height of immaturity.

    In fact, if your instinct has been to disown him because of these comments, I can’t imagine that you’ve actually been listening to what he’s being saying…or at least, those lessons can’t have penetrated your thinking to any great extent.

    The Jordan B Peterson Liberal discussion group

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    • Gezza

       /  October 9, 2018

      The problem is probably just that some folk began to think he was right about everything when sometimes on some topics he’s just talking out of his arse like others do. Just being a libertarian type doesn’t mean (1) he’s an authority on everything or (2) he agrees with everything some far rightists do. Also Jordan may have simply already done his best work & now just be starting to get boring? Some may just be moving on to their next hero.

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    • sorethumb

       /  October 9, 2018

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    • sorethumb

       /  October 9, 2018

      I don’t agree with brett Weinstein that Kavanaugh is the wrong type because of his past behaviour he should be disqualified. He said he was “entitled… +, +”. People change and learn and we need diversity of viewpoint.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 9, 2018

      Gee … people exhibit “the height of immaturity” even with Peterson … same as they do with everyone else …

      Please accept my deepest condolences for your loss sorethumb …

      Gezza, you left out the word “blindly” … “blindly moving on to their next hero” …

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  5. Blazer

     /  October 9, 2018

    Fords testimony was torn to shreds by the judicial officer questioning her….who was an absolute standout.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  October 9, 2018

    As some here feel that we are part of the USA,and post constantly praising tRump i feel we should focus now on Iceland’s parliament as we are as close to them as some orange POTUS #45
    https://www.althingi.is/english/

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    • Blazer

       /  October 9, 2018

      the effects of Labours sound financial management appearing early.

      Read it and weep..National acolytes! 🙂

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      • Corky

         /  October 9, 2018

        Lol..in your dreams. That’s the tail end of Nationals financial measures.`It’s all downhill from here. It just looks good for Labour… so they luck out on this.

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        • robertguyton

           /  October 9, 2018

          “The Government is awash with cash, recording a surplus of $5.5 billion – $2.4 billion more than forecast.

          The 2017/18 financial books have been opened and major tax haul of $80.2 billion has left the government flush.”

          Goodness. Gracious. Me.
          Jacinda and her team – financial geniuses who make National look like dullards!

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  October 9, 2018

            Robert, the greens will never have a better shot at establishing themselves as a political force. But sadly it looks like they might have blown it. Jeanette (I recycle my own excreta) and Rod would have made an absolute meal of this opportunity.

            Instead they are …rudderless. Perception is everything my friend. Tell me I’m wrong

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            • robertguyton

               /  October 9, 2018

              Do you consign your excreta to the communal pool, Conspirator?
              Commie.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 9, 2018

        Tax and spend is what they do best, B. So why the surprise? Last time they were in power the Govt books were rolling in cash and the private ones were grossly red. Expect the same again.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  October 9, 2018

      Things humming under Jacindas leadership,keep the faith Corky

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      • Corky

         /  October 9, 2018

        Oh, don’t you worry, Lurchy, my turn will come..and sweet it will be.

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  7. sorethumb

     /  October 9, 2018

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  8. Blazer

     /  October 9, 2018

    A Knight and a Dame…careful of the company…you keep…

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12139307

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  October 9, 2018

    Lost an hour out of my life today,was forced to listen to some old rightwinger called Leighton Smith, god a rightwingers rightwinger,he sounded like fox radio.HDPA must have something dumber than usual to not be on.

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    • Corky

       /  October 9, 2018

      Give it up, Lurchy. The truth will set you free over at National Socialist Radio.

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  October 9, 2018

    I feel banging my head, a rightwinger broadcasting out of dorkland on ZB called Andrew Dickens( the rightwingers come in waves in this station) laughs at an idiot feral who broke a sculpture,why didnt Wellington do BLAH BLAH to stop the idiot feral, well the feral could be a dorkland feral visiting.I hope they take this idiots bum off and give it back to him when hes paid the damage off

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 9, 2018

      At $10 a week.

      I didn’t realise that it was one of the Len Lye sculptures.

      ‘There was no sign saying Do Not Climb.’

      Oh well, that’s all right then.

      There’s no sign on chainsaws saying Do Not Cut Your Head Off With This. Buy that man one.

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  11. lurcher1948

     /  October 9, 2018

    HDPA is on and is doing FULL stupidity on Larry Williams hour. South Africas best, the bantu ran her family out of South Africa to raise the intellectual standards, HDPA dont breed, as it will lower our standards

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  12. My first experience in the Court of Appeal today, albeit by audio visual link to the Auckland CoA.

    It seemed to go well – or more accurately, it seemed to go poorly for the intended appellant, but as usual have to wait for a judgment. It could take days, or weeks, or months, but as this was a simple ‘seeking leave to appeal’ it should be straightforward enough and not too long.

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  13. PartisanZ

     /  October 9, 2018

    “For those in the know, identification of widespread employment breaches within New Zealand’s ultra-fast broadband network build will not be a huge surprise.

    A Government operation has identified labour law violations and ‘systemic failures’ in a project worth $1.78 billion of taxpayers’ money.”

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/08/269274/migrant-exploitation-and-the-true-cost-of-ufb?preview=1

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  14. Gezza

     /  October 9, 2018

    Bryce Edwards Political Roundup: Could Simon Bridges really be rolled?
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12139645

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    • Gezza

       /  October 9, 2018

      From in that – Rodney Hide’s take on Jami-Lee:

      OPINION: You and I couldn’t tell the boss we’re taking a few months off for “personal health reasons” but to keep the pay check coming. The boss’s generosity would no doubt demand a fuller explanation.

      Likewise, we couldn’t tell our customers we are off for a few months because: “There are times in life where you have to put your own health and family first. As a husband and a father I need to do that at this time.” Oh, and keep paying like I’m still delivering.
      Life for all of us doesn’t work like that. People pay us for what we do. Not irrespective of what we do or whether or not we turn up.

      Simon Bridges expresses regret over ’embarrassing’ remark about Jami-Lee Ross. And that’s why MP Jami-Lee Ross and the National Party, under whose banner he stands, owe the public a fuller explanation for why Ross is no longer working as MP.

      The need to know is not for prurient reason. It’s for the simple reason that National and Ross have asked us at every election for our support, asked us to trust them, and in return have promised us they would work hard to support us.

      Ross’ own web page promises us he’s “a strong local voice for Botany”. He needs to explain why for some months he is not what he promised. I suspect he would be very surprised by our response. We are a very understanding people. We respond well to the truth. We are good at respecting people’s privacy. We can be trusted.

      What we are not good at is being treated as fools. The idea that being an MP is important, that this MP for you is special, but suddenly you can do without them for months without consequence is treating us as fools.

      The job of being MP can’t just matter when it suits the MP. It must matter or it must not. It’s not something that can be switched on and off at the MP’s convenience. We don’t like being treated like we can’t handle the truth. Those in power can handle the truth.

      But those of us who just vote, who work, who pay our taxes, who are expected to follow the rules, can’t handle the truth because actually, what is the reason?

      We haven’t even been told why we can’t be told.

      I understand the reasons for Ross’ absence can be both personal and private. But his absence has social and public consequences. The voters of Botany are without their MP, for starters.

      It comes with public life that when the personal impacts on the public role – the personal needs explanation. People react well to being trusted. They react badly to being kept in the dark.

      At the next election, National and their candidate will be asking Botany voters to trust them.
      They will be promising the voters they have the best candidate. They will be saying they will work hard and will put the people’s interests first.

      But can you trust them? The experience of Jami-Lee Ross suggests not.They won’t trust us. Why should we trust them?

      It’s not that Botany is without an MP for some months that is the problem. It’s that no proper explanation has been given for the absence. That’s the problem.

      Hugs from Rodney (Ok I made that bit up)

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      • Corky

         /  October 9, 2018

        The Hydster isn’t wrong. This issues stinks in a variety of ways. Thank god for Hyde, Hooton and Trotter…commentators who aren’t above having a go at their respective tribes.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 9, 2018

          Yup. Owed more of an explanation than we’ve had for why we are still paying him and how long we can expect to be paying him for.

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          • Gezza

             /  October 9, 2018

            We at least knew that Nikki was battlng cancer & she had support from everyone for that.

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