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  1. Corky

     /  October 10, 2018

    Police recruits are feral. Midwives are feeling the pinch because of petrol prices. This government is now associated with bad news. Even their fiscal windfall ain’t so flash if you take projected crown enterprises taking out loans on the open market that are off the books.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12139707

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    • Gezza

       /  October 10, 2018

      Plus Winter Energy payments have stopped. Some aged Millionaires will be feeling the pinch.

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      • Corky

         /  October 10, 2018

        Down to wearing new undies two days in a row before chucking them.. The indignities a socialist government brings to the upper echelons of society.

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        • Blazer

           /  October 10, 2018

          the haves and have nots…reality..

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          • Corky

             /  October 10, 2018

            As long as those umbrellas were paid for with honest money, I care not.

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            • Blazer

               /  October 10, 2018

              what exactly is ‘honest’ money?

            • Corky

               /  October 10, 2018

              You tell me. It should be self explanatory.

            • Blazer

               /  October 10, 2018

              why we should welcome billionaires a la Nationals FAST TRACK METHOD…we all benefit…don’t we…!1

            • robertguyton

               /  October 10, 2018

              You don’t think, Corky, that Mr Fat Cat could give one of his several umbrellas to the guy getting wet?
              If not, why not? Mr FC only needs one to keep himself dry.

            • Corky

               /  October 10, 2018

              Well, Blazer, let’s do the numbers and see who adds more to the country.

              That rich prick…or the deadbeats, beneficiaries, jail birds and the poor.

              No brainer. Enough said.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 10, 2018

              Depends what the Fat Cat does Corky …

              He/She might be a Supermarket or Junk Food chain-store owner or importer/producer/marketer of non-nutritional ‘food’ products, reliant as much on the poor and beneficiaries … even deadbeats and jailbirds as any other segment of ‘connedsumers’* …

              *new word #175 … heading towards my double-century!

            • Corky

               /  October 10, 2018

              So that rich person would be providing a service.

          • PartisanZ

             /  October 10, 2018

            I guess so, but by today’s ‘individual freedom sans social responsibility’ standards many goods and services are very dubious indeed … non-nutritional ‘semblance’ food is but one example …

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      • lurcher1948

         /  October 10, 2018

        Thanks Jacinda,as a pensoner

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 10, 2018

      OMG, this is incredible – “But National’s police spokesperson Chris Bishop disagreed and blamed the Government’s plans to introduce 1800 new police officers within three years for the lower standard of officers.” – from the Herald article

      Politicians of any ilk will leave no stone of lies and deceit unturned … National politicians just happen to be the very utter most dumbest at it …

      Election 2017: New Police promises: Labour = 1,000, National 1,125, NZFirst 1,800

      https://www.interest.co.nz/news/87314/election-2017-party-policies-justice-law-and-order-police

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      • Corky

         /  October 10, 2018

        ”National 1,125 recruits”

        Over 4 years.

        Not only National are concerned…so are some senior police.

        Parti..you are busted.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 10, 2018

          3 years … 4 years … WTF?

          Do you mean the Senior Police who ought to be responsible and accountable for the recruiting?

          A family friend of my girlfriend’s in the early ’80s desperately wanted to join the Police at age 19 or 20 … and was accepted … His prime motivation was “getting in fights” and he used to brag about beating up “low lifes” …

          I also witnessed a group of young police constables following a similar size group of young punks one day in Queen Street, they turned into a lane opposite Vincent Street and the cops just attacked them … all out brawl ensued … Oh for a cellphone back in those days …

          What you call “Feralism” has a long tradition in policing …

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  October 10, 2018

            A tradition of feralism in the police. Christ you talk some shit

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            • Gezza

               /  October 10, 2018

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 10, 2018

              Gezza obviously agrees with you Conspiratoor … He frequently says that *shit* too …

              Here’s one tale that doesn’t reflect well on either our police force or our home-grown criminals …

              https://e2nz.org/migrant-stories/chapter-11/british-cop-in-northland-nzs-crime-statistics-a-work-of-fiction/

              ” … my colleagues were so amateurish in their work I felt like a member of the cast of “Live on Mars” … stuck in the 1970s … The level of incompetence is unbelievable and any suggestion to try something new (to them) is treated with scorn.

              I’ve never seen the levels of repetitive drink driving and family violence I’ve seen in NZ and I spent 10 years in UK Policing.”

              Ever heard of Louise Nicholas?

              Here’s another tale: ”NZ Police the worst employer I’ve ever had’ – Stuff

              http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/whats-it-like-being-a-cop-in-new-zealand/15819202/NZ-Police-the-worst-employer-I-ve-ever-had

              The second comment says, “Police and Firefighters often have a bully culture, it needs to be addressed……..harden up no more”

              I’m not going to do a major study for you, but if you google “toxic culture nz” you’ll see claims and examples of toxic culture spread far and wide across NZ society … WINZ … Sport … Police … Housing NZ … Law Firms … and a few claims that NZ culture itself is toxic …

            • Gezza

               /  October 10, 2018

              Gezza obviously agrees with you Conspiratoor … He frequently says that *shit* too …

              Incorrect. I’ve said it once. In a different context. That’s why it rang a bell.

  2. Corky

     /  October 10, 2018

    Wow, I couldn’t believe my ears. Someone who actually agrees with what I say.
    Better still, someone who knows how to implement what they say and stop a problem before it starts.

    This is fairytale stuff… it reads like fiction. That’s the impression I get from the interviewer who
    seems to have trouble understanding what is being said…and goes looking for deeper meaning when there is none..apart from common sense.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/10/why-christian-hungary-doesnt-have-a-crime-or-terrorism-problem/

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    • lurcher1948

       /  October 10, 2018

      Corky i bet in the last year you have never seen a female wearing a burka or maybe you don’t live in a leafy suburb like me,but live in Mount Roskill next to a mosque where sharia and fgm and multiple marriages happen.

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      • Corky

         /  October 10, 2018

        ”Corky i bet in the last year you have never seen a female wearing a burka”

        True.

        ”Maybe you don’t live in a leafy suburb like me.”

        Lurchy, having the leaves blow into the gutter on your crib from the mansion next door isn’t what’s called living in a leafy suburb.

        ”Llive in Mount Roskill next to a mosque where sharia and fgm and multiple marriages happen.”

        Untrue.

        Lurchy, common senses is not an objective quantity anchored to a point in space. It’s a quality of the intellect. A quality unfortunately lacking in Aotearoa.

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        • lurcher1948

           /  October 10, 2018

          So reading between the lines Corky you and a radical Muslim are vying for the graveyard shift in an old Prius budget taxi company, that’s why you show racist views against new immigrants, we are here for support, as you notice most here don’t rant against Muslims.

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          • Corky

             /  October 10, 2018

            Stop reading between the lines..and read what is actually written, Lurchy.

            Immigration is important..nay essential. I just don’t agree with letting Muslims into the country. Not because I think all Muslims are bad, but because we can’t get a handle on whether a Muslim is genuine with regards to respecting his new country and their culture. We have objective proof from other nations that Islam and Muslims are a problem.

            My position is rational. Anyone with half a brain would have a similar attitude.

            ”As you notice most here don’t rant against Muslims.”

            That’s freedom, Lurchy. While I think they, and you, are fools, they have the right to think I’m a ranter and racist. Damn, how lucky are we!

            Do you think some immigrants may have problems with that type of freedom?

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        • lurcher1948

           /  October 10, 2018

          Big words thank god for Grammarly right Corky

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 10, 2018

      You should go live there Corky …

      “In the 21st century … Hungary is an OECD high-income economy with a very high standard of living. It keeps up a social security and universal health care system, and a tuition-free university education. Hungary performs well in international rankings: it is 20th in quality of life, 24th in the Good Country Index, 28th in inequality-adjusted human development, 32nd in the Social Progress Index, 33rd in the Global Innovation Index and ranks as the 15th safest country in the world.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary#Third_Republic_1989%E2%80%93present

      The intrinsic dangers of FPP huh?

      The only thing I might admire Hungary for is their ability to rapidly put a new Constitution in place … But sadly … NO!

      “Both domestically and abroad, the 2011 constitution has been the subject of controversy. Among the claims critics make are that it was adopted without sufficient input from the opposition and society at large, that it reflects the ideology of the ruling Fidesz party, and enshrines it in office, that it is rooted in a conservative Christian worldview despite Hungary not being a particularly devout country, and that it curtails and politicizes previously independent institutions.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Hungary

      Thank the Lord we’ve got Palmer & Butler and Matike Mai working on ours huh?

      Regrettably Aotearoa New Zealand can neither retain or return to population homogeneity … unless we go pre-European Maori I guess?

      The Right Brigade cite their ‘1960s One Nation delusion’ … which might have momentarily SEEMED to exist before we opened the doors to Pacific Islanders as a labour pool for our thriving manufacturing sector (which, of course, was created by the dreaded ‘socialism’) …

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      • Corky

         /  October 10, 2018

        And this has what to do with keeping Muslims and other undesirables out of their country?
        And protecting their culture?

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 10, 2018

          I remember when “Pommies” and especially Pommie Stirrers – who have always and always will make up the bulk of our immigrants – and Pacific Islanders were considered undesirable by many people … that’s what its got to do with it …

          Some people consider White South Africans more undesirable than Muslims …

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          • Corky

             /  October 10, 2018

            Yeah, but:

            1- Poms and PIs don’t want to chop my head off, or run me over.
            2-Both come from Christian background countries.
            3- They have a cultural connection with us.
            4- They accept our laws.
            5- They don’t do honour killings.
            6- They don’t DEMAND.
            7- They don’t want separate schools.
            8- Ditto women only swimming classes.
            9- Ditto prayer rooms.
            10- They aren’t default Jew haters.
            11- They integrate better.
            12- Most important! They didn’t have a prior poor global record of being obnoxious.

            I’m sorry, Parti. Your argument may hold water with others on this blog. But it holds none with me. Your argument is an extension of the socialist push to destroy Western culture and its values. Muslims and socialists have a lot in common. They rely on the ”hive mentality” to conquer and control.

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            • PartisanZ

               /  October 10, 2018

              Yeah but … Muslims constitute 1.18% of religious identification in Aotearoa New Zealand’s population …

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_Zealand#Religion

              You must think it’s a real problem among Maori?

              “Islam is estimated to be the fastest growing religion among the Māori, with census figures showing the number of Muslims of Māori ethnicity increasing from 99 to 708 in the 10 years to 2001, and to 1,083 by 2013 census data.”

              And Pacific Islanders?

              “While the overall Pacific Islander community grew 15% according to census data from 2001 to 2006, Muslim Pacific Islanders grew 87.43%. According to 2013 census data, there were 1,536 Muslims among the Pacific islander community (a little under 3.5% of New Zealand’s Muslim population).”

              Let alone Europeans?

              “According to 2013 census data, there were 4,353 Muslims (about 9.5% of the total Muslim population) among the European community (Pākehā).”

              The need to have someone to fear, oppose and hate appears very strong in you Corky?

              Judging by these numbers I’d fear those European (Pakeha) Muslims most of all if I were you …

              But like I said yesterday I’d personally rather have a paranoia about shark attack, lightning strike or death by plane crash or meteor fall …

              Now … balance … Do we have any idea how many people leave Islam?

              “Islam has strict apostasy laws for people who leave that religion, so you can never find any meaningful statistics on that. However, in Europe and West, statistics show that 25% of people who [were] born into İslam, no longer classify as such.”

              – Amr Bin Hisam, Turkish Atheist guy from a conservative muslim family

              https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-left-Islam-in-2017

              Rejoice Corky … REJOICE!!!

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 10, 2018

              Wiki link for quotes and stats above about Islam in Aotearoa NZ –

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_New_Zealand#Contemporary_Islam

            • Corky

               /  October 10, 2018

              ”You must think it’s a real problem among Maori?”

              Let’s go back to the seventies. One minute my cuzzies were deadbeat piss-heads..the next minute they were wearing colourful clothes, growing dreadlocks and explaining Jah Rasta will enlighten me with the herb.

              Lasted a good ten years before the drugs lead to paranoia; back to booze and smacking the missuses . More local causes were starting to emerge..land rights and Treaty issues.

              Unlike Jah, there was money at the end of that rainbow.

              As to Maori joining Islam. I’m not sure if it’s a fad or not. Maori women seems very attracted to Islam. With their mokos and scarfs they think they are the cats whiskers. Maori are probably attracted to the violent aspects of Islam, believing violence is what Maori should do to Infidel colonisers.

              Post more when I have time.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 10, 2018

              Needless to say that there is no evidence given of the 12 hackneyed Islamophobic points, because there is none to give. They are vague nonsense and not backed up by anything.

              I have yet to hear of Muslims demanding separate schools, swimming pools, prayer rooms and the rest. These are distortions and outright lies.

              I fail to see how most people have a cultural connection with Pacific Islanders, (whose respect for our laws doesn’t stop them having a large number of criminals) when we have nothing in common with their culture.

              There is antiSemitism in the UK, ask any Jew. I have experienced it first hand. They have rightwing extremists, the skinheads were anti everyone not white as are (their neoNazis).

              People have been run over here and had their heads cut off. but not by Muslims.

            • Corky

               /  October 10, 2018

              ”The need to have someone to fear, oppose and hate appears very strong in you Corky?”

              No, I don’t hate Muslims, or fear them. I fear what they can do to our culture, demographics and government. I have solid proof from overseas experiences. You have none but wishful thinking given our small Muslim population who have caused little trouble.

              Of course 3% of our population is 150,000(?). That’s when Muslims start becoming a problem.We aren’t near that mark yet. Of course someone intent on a terrorist act wont be taking population percentages into account, will they?

              ”Judging by these numbers I’d fear those European (Pakeha) Muslims most of all if I were you …”

              Well, they are New Zealanders. What should we do? Personally I would
              ban Islam. But that would be a legal nightmare.

              ”But like I said yesterday I’d personally rather have a paranoia about shark attack, lightning strike or death by plane crash or meteor fall …”

              That is your choice. I’m more worried about Muslims with intent. You know, the ones who have declared war on the West. Have you forgotten?
              The only reason they haven’t wipe us out is because they don’t have the means…and you are more worried about lighting strikes??!!!

              ”However, in Europe and West, statistics show that 25% of people who [were] born into İslam, no longer classify as such.”

              And we are meant to be comforted by that..sorry, I’m meant to be comforted by that?

              This lady does the maths better than me.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 10, 2018

              Pacific Islanders are the second highest for being criminals. They are 5x more likely to commit crime than Asians and twice as likely as Pakehas.

              This doesn’t exactly sound like respecting our laws/

        • lurcher1948

           /  October 10, 2018

          A damn good track from the past with no muslims in the Swedish audience

          i liked this band centuries ago

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  October 10, 2018

    Back to NZ from all the overseas news,that wail you can hear is the rightwing National party wailing (that damn BAAAABEEE)Simon cannot compete
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/shh-bubba-neve-steals-the-show-as-jacinda-ardern-addresses-govt-surplus-in-live-video.html
    The force is with baby Neve

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    • Corky

       /  October 10, 2018

      So beautiful. So maternal. So gone in 2020.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  October 10, 2018

        Not with whats his name,i remember its Jacinda nope simon sorry Jacinda

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    • Gezza

       /  October 10, 2018

      Fark that was painful to watch. Embarrassing.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  October 10, 2018

        Worth votes Gezza,baby Neve V Simon and crusher, slamdunk to Neve

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        • Gezza

           /  October 10, 2018

          Rich mum with one baby and an army to look after it tells poor mums with their babies not to worry about prices because she doesn’t?

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          • lurcher1948

             /  October 10, 2018

            I feel for Sir Key and Sir English, they must be struggling, should we set up a give a little so they can afford to live

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            • lurcher1948

               /  October 10, 2018

              Morning downticker, have a great day and thanks from the wife and me

            • Corky

               /  October 10, 2018

              I rang Key in Hawaii, Lurchy. The servant said he’s surfing at the moment. But he’ll get back to me after he checks out a new apartment block he’s recently purchased.

            • robertguyton

               /  October 10, 2018

              “Shhh, bubba, shhh,”
              (For Corky – I predict – a Neve meme)

          • robertguyton

             /  October 10, 2018

            Rich mum? Is that how you categorise her? How about, “Hard-working mum”? It’s well known that Prime Ministers work very, very hard. And the forum – Facebook chat from home, is the place to make encouraging sounds to a baby and to other mums, especially if those sounds are genuine – and they were, Imo.

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            • Gezza

               /  October 10, 2018

              Yes but you would think that. How many people would be watching Jacinda’s facebook. Do you think she’s poor? I don’t think so. It’s hard to know how many young voters would be influenced favourably by something like that on Facebook. I use facebook minimally because it’s become such a god-awful monstrosity forever filling up my timeline with friend suggestions and crap one can’t switch off. If that wasn’t shown on the newshub article I wouldn’t watch it. In fact I only watched about half and that was enuf. It seemed silly to me.

            • robertguyton

               /  October 10, 2018

              I don’t have “Facebook” and never have. The PM is excellent at posting on Facebook, from what I saw; able to keep a lively expression on her face and in her voice – talking to a tiny computer camera, alone (yes, a baby was there too) in a room is very difficult – have you tried it? Did the results make you look and sound as though you’ve had a lobotomy? She’s very good. As for, ” Do you think she’s poor?” – that question’s well below your usual standard, Gezza and almost provoked me into responding, “Shhh, bubba, shhh,”.

            • Gezza

               /  October 10, 2018

              I’ll take it that the answer that she’s not poor is so obvious you are surprised to be asked. Don’t start baby talking with me robert – we’ve had that conversation & we don’t want to be back to your using crayons.

              I just think it’s naff. But I accept she’s trying to pitch to the 18-20 year olds. I just wonder how many are watching and thinking that explains everything. I like the baby babbling in the background? Apart from you?

              No I don’t post videos of me talking on Facebook. I just use Facetime (and once Skype) to video0-call family sometimes. I post some of my stream videos on Facebook, but I keep facebook friends to close family and a couple of close friends.

            • robertguyton

               /  October 10, 2018

              “I just think it’s naff. But I accept she’s trying to pitch to the 18-20 year olds. ”
              Then…why did you watch? And post critically? You aren’t the intended audience. When Jacinda said, “Shhh, baby, shhh!” the intended audience was Neve. Did you find that naff as well? Mind you, your opinion is at least as valid as mine, so I’m just niggling for the sake of it. I just think Jacinda’s skills across the media are impressive. On Sunday morning, I’m talking to Tony Murrell on the RadioLive Gardening Show as I’ve done many times before and so listening to how people manage to sound warm and relaxed under pressure interests me (sometimes there are other people around while I’m talking and I almost always have a grandchild or two with me these days).

            • Gezza

               /  October 10, 2018

              Sorry for delayed reply. Been busy.

              I think she’s quite good at soothing you, robert. 🙂

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 10, 2018

        I didn’t see it all; it was rambling, she was not concentrating on what she was saying and it was very boring. The squealing in the background was distracting and annoying, and not as amusing as the squealer’s mother fondly imagined. The message was largely lost among the squalls, asides, ums, ers and ahs….for goodness sake, this was the PM making an announcement. not someone announcing a kindergarten cake stall. How discourteous to her listeners (assuming that there were any who didn’t switch off)

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        • Gezza

           /  October 10, 2018

          Well, excactly. But possibly it appealed to some kids & busy mums making dinner in the kitchen watching Jacinda’s facebook page.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 10, 2018

            I can’t imagine anyone doing that, to be honest. It was hard to work out what she was rambling on about.

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        • robertguyton

           /  October 10, 2018

          Why did you bother trying? Those details have been released in more formal settings. I imagine the vast majority of people who tuned in to see and hear Jacinda’s Facebook messages loved what they saw and heard. I watched people’s ears prick up and come straight over from across the room to listen when I was playing the clip. I doubt Jacinda and her media team would care a jot for your views about this. As for characterising Neve as a “squealer” – catty, Kitty.

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          • robertguyton

             /  October 10, 2018

            My reply is to Kitty. I’m too soothed to squabble with you, Gezza.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 10, 2018

            She was squealing; what would you call it? Singing? It was squealing, and that’s a sound that only the squealer’s parents find attractive.
            The whole thing seemed pointless to me. If the details had been released, why bother ? It sounded rambling and disconnected and boring. Other people’s children are not the wonders to everyone else that they are to their parents.

            What was the point of the thing, then ?

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            • robertguyton

               /  October 10, 2018

              For you, grist to your grizzle-mill. For others, especially parents of young children or grandparents of grand-babies, a refreshing, encouraging look at a public figure who has stayed close to her baby, despite the pressures of her job.

            • Gezza

               /  October 10, 2018

              It’s called wheeling out Neve without actually wheeling out Neve. 😉

            • robertguyton

               /  October 10, 2018

              Was Neve actually there!!???!!
              Didn’t consider that did ya!

            • robertguyton

               /  October 10, 2018

              Is there really a “Neve”???
              Why has Mallard banned all images of Neve-in-the-House????
              Is it because … there is no Neve???????
              How can we sleep, not knowing??????????????

            • Gezza

               /  October 10, 2018

              Yes, I did actually. So that’s two of us considering the possibility the baby sounds were actually just a recording.

            • Gezza

               /  October 10, 2018

              How can we sleep, not knowing??????????????

              Fuxake robert. 😠 Tuffen up! The rest of us manage somehow. Read a book at bedtime or something.

            • robertguyton

               /  October 10, 2018

              You’re … like a father to me, Gazza – bless!

            • Gezza

               /  October 10, 2018

              Good lad. 👍🏼
              Jazz hands 4 u 🙌🏼

  4. lurcher1948

     /  October 10, 2018

    Thank god I’m not a farmer in the Fonterra cooperative, but the millions they paid their last CEO was worth it…not

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    • Blazer

       /  October 10, 2018

      Another right wing myth….’you have to pay the market rate for..TALENT’!Laughable ,red ink everywhere ,same at FBU.

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      • Corky

         /  October 10, 2018

        The rightwing myth is true. The problem is with their board who won’t act once they see their CEO is as useful as tits on a bull.

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        • Blazer

           /  October 10, 2018

          thanks for confirming the veracity of it being a…myth.

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          • Corky

             /  October 10, 2018

            Your definition is correct:

            ”Another right wing myth….’you have to pay the market rate .”

            Quite true.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 10, 2018

      Fabulous stuff Blazer … in the real world …

      On here … probably Troll bait …

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      • Corky

         /  October 10, 2018

        No need to talk obliquely, Parti. If you mean me, name me. I’m the only one taking this topic seriously, if you think about it…others just troll me.

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    • Corky

       /  October 10, 2018

      The problems dealing with Maori. Who is in charge? Who isn’t in charge.
      The problems Maori have when gifted land, given by them for a purpose, isn’t given back when no longer used for that purpose.

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12139426

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      • robertguyton

         /  October 10, 2018

        What is that…purpose, Corks?

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      • Gezza

         /  October 10, 2018

        That’s a rather confusing article. They quote something that says the land was confiscated by Governor Grey and gifted to the Catholics.

        The two families have said that they are “repossessing” the land because the church is no longer using it for the purposes for which Governor George Grey granted it in 1850.

        “Back in 1850 this land was confiscated by Governor Grey and was gifted to the Catholic Church with an attachment for the education of Māori,” Boynton told the Court.

        “We believe the agreement is being breached because no education for Māori is taking place there.”

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  October 10, 2018

    SIGH HDPA is starting to do todays dumb,Miles Davis is a far better option

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  6. robertguyton

     /  October 10, 2018

    Guns! Guns! GUNZ!
    “Realising it’s going down the gurgler at a great rate of knots, I’d say Natz in desperation has begun campaigning for the next election, by attempting to drum up support from society’s irresponsible, as well along with its red neck base.

    Without doubt, it’s obvious what section of NZ society Natz is aiming to appeal to! God help us!”
    TS

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  7. robertguyton

     /  October 10, 2018

    “Exkiwiforces
    Good god the No Mates Party must be getting desperate, if they are going after the so called “gun vote”.”

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    • Gezza

       /  October 10, 2018

      Fuck are you on about?

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      • robertguyton

         /  October 10, 2018

        “National has launched a series of public meetings to discuss a major issue. Not child poverty or climate change or how badly wrong Steven Joyce’s $11.5 billion hole claim was, but guns.”
        https://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-firearms-forums-what-could-go-wrong/

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        • Gezza

           /  October 10, 2018

          There doesn’t seem to be any detail about exactly what these meetings are about. Just loads of comments slagging them off? Isn’t that a bit odd? Isn’t it better to know exactly what to slag off? Maybe it’s about making guns more available to Labour voters?

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          • Corky

             /  October 10, 2018

            The Standestos are using the ”scatter gun method of commenting.’😄😄.

            ps -please excuse my dry sense of non humour.

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  8. Gezza

     /  October 10, 2018

    NZ Taxpayers Union – Inaugural Jonesies Award Legislative Council Chambers, Parliament.
    Starts at 33:00

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    • PDB

       /  October 10, 2018

      Nominees and winners here: https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/2018_jonesies

      Personally I’d have chosen:

      Local govt award: Auckland Transport spent $4 million on a Grey Lynn cycleway, but now must spend $23-35 million fixing it, despite minimal use.

      Central govt: The New Zealand Film Commission paid American producers of the children’s TV show “Power Rangers” $1.6 million to include references to New Zealand in its script, such as a plot involving a pavlova.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 10, 2018


      Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones has been awarded the inaugural “Jonesie” life time achievement award for “wasteful spending” as an MP and civil servant. (NB: Wasn’t really a surprise, was it – given the name of the award ? – Gezza)

      The awards, held in Parliament’s old legislative chamber today, were put on by right-wing lobby group the Taxpayers’ Union.

      The ‘Jonesies’ – named after Shane Jones – were created to “honour the civil servants, Government agencies and politicians who signify government waste, overspending excessive regulation, or lack of accountability.”
      . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
      But a spokeswoman for Jones has fired back, calling the Taxpayers’ Union executive director a “discredited, right-wing troll”.
      More for the discerning reader …
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz//nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12140124&ref=clavis

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  9. duperez

     /  October 10, 2018

    I’ve read so often in recent years that unions are scum and people who run them are of the worst kind. That said, that’s not my reason for not clicking into that event. I recognise Jordan Williams. He’s the one I read of : “Despite promising (Rachel) MacGregor and her lawyer he would keep her story and documents confidential, Wiiliams used the information in what a judge called a campaign against (Colin) Craig.”

    The photo makes me think of porkies and if the occasion is about that then Williams is eminently suited (pun intended) to front things. If I’m wrong and it’s in Parliament because it’s about basic stuff like integrity, once again Jordan’s the man.

    For all that unions might be scum to some people you have to admire any that have the effrontery to mount cunning stunts. And of course at the same time be staggered by the level of bereftness any media is who pays them attention.

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    • PDB

       /  October 10, 2018

      I personally don’t have any time for Williams but the NZ taxpayers union (and the associated Auckland Ratepayers’ Alliance) do at times highlight some stuff of interest that might otherwise be lost in local/central govt spin or buried away from tax/ratepayers eyes.

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  10. Kitty Catkin

     /  October 10, 2018

    Overheard on a bus today; an HNZ tenant saying that her rent had gone up and she was now paying $111 a week.

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    • PDB

       /  October 10, 2018

      Rents going up, rates are going up, fuel costs going up, imported goods cost going up whilst the dollar is dropping like a stone, ACC levies likely to rise as too some taxes, employer & business compliance costs going up, and with increased fuel costs & the like general goods and services costs will also have to go up. Just needs mortgage interest rates to rise and we’ll all be living the dream.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 10, 2018

        $110 a week rent sounded reasonable to me.

        If someone’s paying that, they would have a fair bit left for other things.

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  11. PartisanZ

     /  October 10, 2018

    Just what Auckland needs … a new stadium …

    ‘Secret plans for new, ‘free’ waterfront stadium’ – Newsroom

    “A group of business people is secretly planning a new national stadium for the Auckland waterfront, to be privately funded but standing on key port land.”

    It’ll put New Zealand on the map …

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/09/270439/secret-plans-for-new-waterfront-stadium

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    • PDB

       /  October 10, 2018

      If it’s to be privately funded then what’s the issue?

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      • PartisanZ

         /  October 10, 2018

        The issue is “key port land” PDB … The best use of key port land for the common good.

        We could have a privately funded health system … What would the issues be?

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