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  1. Corky

     /  October 11, 2018

    Asian shop owner in for a big surprise regarding human rights in Aotearoa. But will will she understand? She can’t speak English.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107745315/auckland-man-kicked-out-of-shop-for-being-in-a-wheelchair

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    • Gezza

       /  October 11, 2018

      Well, to be fair, It could be hard trying to run after and catch, or to be able to even identify for the police, an athletic thief pushing someone in a wheelchair.
      ……………….
      “The owners of Bes Mart in Ōtāhuhu said they kicked Imtiaz Aziz out of the shop because another wheelchair user had stolen from them.

      “I felt sad and I felt really embarrassed because everyone was looking at me,” he said.

      “It made me feel down and I was making an attempt to go out in a wheelchair and do my normal shopping.”

      Approached by Stuff on Wednesday, the shop owners said, through another staff member who translated, they had asked Aziz to leave because his wheelchair was “too big” for their store.

      Another wheelchair user had stolen from their shop recently and the female shop owner now “doesn’t want those people to come”, they said.

      “There’s always someone pushing a wheelchair who comes here to steal,” the female shop owner said.

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      • Corky

         /  October 11, 2018

        Don’t you just love Asians….see effect…find cause..stop cause. No PC. No bs. Of course, they may be lying.

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    • sorethumb

       /  October 11, 2018

      If a honkey had dunnit it would be all over the news.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 11, 2018

        It was anyway, it was in the Herald.

        The idea of judging every person on or from the entire continent of Asia by one member is utterly bizarre.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 11, 2018

          I don’t ‘love Asians’. There are far too many of them for me to ever know them all. Asian is not a race, anyway.

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  2. Corky

     /  October 11, 2018

    Gay trouble makers and snowflakes taught a lesson. Next time just go to another bakery who will gladly take your order. Respect the rights of others.

    Talking of food, I was in my cafe this morning when a customer I detest came in. She bought her usual sausage roll, spent five minutes arranging her table then started her habit of taking one small nibble of her sausage roll then licking all five of her fingers. Fug it infuriates me for some reason. I wasn’t the only one, some patrons gave each other quizzical looks.

    On the way home I went past an Indian fruit and veg shop. Sign outside said ”Avocados 3 for
    $2. I had my suspicions confirmed when I saw the avos were as green as, and had no stem left on the fruit. That’s a sure sign of strip picking…a very handy technique when you are in a hurry to steal your neighbours avos.

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    • Blazer

       /  October 11, 2018

      imagine what they thought of that 100kg specimen with raspberry icing all over his chops and shorts, bright purple runners and a stained wifebeater’…to boot.

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    • robertguyton

       /  October 11, 2018

      I’m a bit grossed out by the fact, as reported by Corky, that the woman in the cafe had only 5 fingers!

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      • Corky

         /  October 11, 2018

        In fact she only had four fingers.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 11, 2018

          Two on each hand.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 11, 2018

            Avacados are out of season now.

            The stolen ones don’t usually end up in shops, they tend to be sold on stalls. Any shopkeeper who sells stolen one is liable to be charged with receiving.

            The people in that cafe don’t have enough to think about, I’d say.

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            • robertguyton

               /  October 11, 2018

              caff

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 11, 2018

              Either; caff is slang, cafe is just an abb of cafteria. Caff is much more informal. It probably is a ‘caff’, really. The one that Sparky the Sparrer lives in is a bit more imaginative in its menu than this one seems to be.

  3. Gezza

     /  October 11, 2018

    Mikey weighs in on Petrol prices with his $200 of 98 worth:

    “When the Prime Minister tells us that we are being fleeced by the petrol companies, you are seeing a very deliberate move by a calculating politician.

    That is in contrast to the talk of kindness and waving of babies that we saw for example in New York. That is in contrast to the broad smiles and kind words we hear at the prime ministerial drop-ins to various schools around the country where she receives blankets for the aforementioned child.

    None of this is bad, but it is a reminder that she is as much politician as she is new age kumbaya cheerleader. Her go at the price of petrol is raw politics and easy point-scoring.”

    More, for the acolytes & owners of expensive cars…
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12140073

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    • Corky

       /  October 11, 2018

      Do you agree with Mikey?

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      • Gezza

         /  October 11, 2018

        I don’t have an expensive car so I didn’t read any more than that and the bit about his $200 worth of 98.

        Hang on. I’ll watch the video & read the rest. o_O

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        • Gezza

           /  October 11, 2018

          Ok. Well who knows. You’ve got a Gull corporate exec with incentive to spin like crazy and PM who’s just increased the existing levies on fuel including extra for Auckland who’s got an incentive to spin like crazy and can even bring a baby in to distract the unwary if she chooses. It’s not like Mikey will feel the pinch anyway – is it? He’s a bit wealthy. I don’t think he likes the government.

          I was interested to see the graphic on 1ewes on the night of her post-Cabinet announcement that showed the amount of excise on our fuel price – it was a pretty sizeable chunk – but I gather it’s still lower than most countries – even Saudi Arabia’s. (“WTF? Saudi Arabia, I thought. What a pack of ratbags that Royal Family lot of theirs is.” Trump likes them though.)

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    • NOEL

       /  October 11, 2018

      Of course its deliberate. She did a Communications degree, from memory.
      Sorry Mikey but you lost the argument when you didn’t mention anything on National’s line that people were hurting a the pumps because of the new 3 cents per day regional taxes.
      Equally raw politics and points scoring.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 11, 2018

        As I understood it, nearly half of the price is tax and exise (tax by another name)

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  4. duperez

     /  October 11, 2018

    “Her go at the price of petrol is raw politics.” Raw meaning not even making it to ‘half-baked?’

    So she doesn’t say anything about petrol prices? Or seek to do anything? I mean if you’ve got a five litre car you’ve every right to be pissed off about a PM turning the price of petrol into something political. When you’ve earned the right to have life all lovely and smooth, political sideshows and shenanigans are what you don’t need.

    The raw in the story is actually the raw flaunting of wealth.

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  5. Corky

     /  October 11, 2018

    Finally someone who understands smacking is not abusing children.

    Right again when they say we now have undisciplined brats , who have no respect for others, running around causing mayhem

    We are reaping the results of a 30 plus years liberal experiment that’s destroyed the fabric of society and the younger generations.

    Perhaps Christians and immigrants have a point for wanting to educate their own youngsters?

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/10/child-discipline-is-not-the-same-as-child-abuse/

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  6. robertguyton

     /  October 11, 2018

    “Feeding a world population of 10 billion is possible, but only if we change the way we eat and the way we produce food,” said Prof Johan Rockström at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany, who was part of the research team. “Greening the food sector or eating up our planet: this is what is on the menu today.”

    The researchers found a global shift to a “flexitarian” diet was needed to keep climate change even under 2C, let alone 1.5C. This flexitarian diet means the average world citizen needs to eat 75% less beef, 90% less pork and half the number of eggs, while tripling consumption of beans and pulses and quadrupling nuts and seeds. This would halve emissions from livestock and better management of manure would enable further cuts.

    In rich nations, the dietary changes required are ever more stark. UK and US citizens need to cut beef by 90% and milk by 60% while increasing beans and pulses between four and six times. However, the millions of people in poor nations who are undernourished need to eat a little more meat and dairy.

    Reducing meat consumption might be achieved by a mix of education, taxes, subsidies for plant-based foods and changes to school and workplace menus, the scientists said.

    Prof Tim Benton at the University of Leeds, who was not part of the research team, said: “Ultimately, we live on a finite planet, with finite resources. It is a fiction to imagine there is a technological solution allowing us to produce as much food as we might ever want, allowing us to overeat and throw food away.” He said the environmental burden of the current food system “undermines the ability of future generations to live on a stable and ecologically rich planet”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/10/huge-reduction-in-meat-eating-essential-to-avoid-climate-breakdown?CMP=share_btn_tw

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 11, 2018

      Loony Lefty academics think they can organise everyone else’s lives.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 11, 2018

      This idiot thinks we live on a finite planet but effectively we have infinite energy so we don’t.

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      • phantom snowflake

         /  October 11, 2018

        Infinite energy is not sufficient to bring back the Moa. (for example) Or soon enough the Kiwi. Etc etc…

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      • phantom snowflake

         /  October 11, 2018

        There is a problem with the term ‘infinite’. It’s ambiguous. There are an infinite number of ‘infinities’, which are not of equal magnitude. I wish I could explain that, or it’s relevance…

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      • phantom snowflake

         /  October 11, 2018

        Oh, Thank ‘God’! (In this case, Google) for providing Russian/German mathematician Georg Cantor to explain the mathematics:
        https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-infinity-comes-in-different-sizes/
        Now all I’m needing is someone who can apply it to Ecology!

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 11, 2018

          Well, the good folks at Evonomics manage to apply Evolutionary Biology to Economics rather successfully … so I’m sure there must be SOMEONE out there … somewhere …

          Come on … hands up Ecomathematicians* …

          * new word # 178 … Cool!

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  7. PartisanZ

     /  October 11, 2018

    Of “a billion trees”, I wonder how many will not be monoculture Pinus Radiata plantations?

    “For politicians and financiers, marginal means land that is borderline for modern agriculture. Marginal land … can’t, by its very nature, support high densities of livestock or crops. It does, however, produce flowers, insects and ground-nesting birds in abundance, but none of these are money spinners in a traditional sense. The solutions supported by the government are devastating.”

    ‘A forestry boom is turning Ireland into an ecological dead zone’ – Mary Colwell, The Guardian

    “Susbsidized spruce plantations cover vast tracts of the Irish countryside. They don’t offset carbon emissions and are driving bird species to extinction”

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  8. PartisanZ

     /  October 11, 2018

    Stadium update –

    ‘Stadium-for-stadium deal mooted by secretive consortium’ – Newsroom

    “A private consortium planning a new Auckland waterfront stadium is believed to have suggested it be given rights to develop a defunct Eden Park for housing as part of a deal with the city and Government.”

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/10/272079/stadium-for-stadium-deal-mooted-by-secretive-consortium?preview=1

    ‘Rule by secretive consortium & non-disclosure agreement’ might be a more lyrical and accessible way to describe Inverted Totalitarianism, government by corporate-political elites or ‘managed democracy’?

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  9. PartisanZ

     /  October 11, 2018

    ”We’re gutted’: Jono and Ben gets the axe after seven years’ – NZHeraldo

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12140767

    Sorry to say it, but Jono and Ben, who are seven years old, should never have gotten onto the TV in the first place …

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    • Gezza

       /  October 11, 2018

      The cancellation, announced during Thursday night’s episode, comes after the show’s TV ratings dropped to an all-time low last month, with an average audience of 61,000 viewers (25-54) tuning in.

      I watched them once, by accident, channel surfing, years ago and reached the conclusion nobody intelligent should be watching them. It’s pretty sad it’s taken this long for Aucklanders to reach this conclusion.

      It’s also a bit of a worry for Simon this has happened after he appeared on their show.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 11, 2018

      Bit more to it than that Gezza IMHO …

      Jono & Ben filled a traditional comedic slot in NZ’s televisioned* consciousness, occupied over the years by the likes of Fred Dagg, McPhail & Gadsby, Spitting Image and others … some of them employing acerbic political wit …

      Jono & Ben, like their illustrious forbears, were a perfect televidec* expression of the consciousness of the times … Fred Dagg – even a thick-as-two-planks farmer is okay if he’s White – McPhail & Gadsby – Muldoon baiters – Spitting Image – You can hit the nail hard on the head, and your thumb at the same time, ain’t gonna change nuttin’ …

      In Jono & Ben’s case it was – LET’S JUST COMPLETELY AVOID ALL THE ISSUES (and be like naughty little self-absorbed narcissistic GenX and Millenial infantile children instead) …

      Two new words there, #s 176 & 177 respectively …

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      • PartisanZ

         /  October 11, 2018

        Oh, I forgot the punch line …

        And the times they are a-changing!

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        • Gezza

           /  October 11, 2018

          Billy T left them all in the dust.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  October 11, 2018

            Yep, Billy T was ground-breaking … A self-and-race-deprecating Maori comedian that White Kiwis could feel comfortable with …

            I’m a bit disappointed Gezza … I thought you were gonna say, “God you talk some shit on here sometimes!”

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            • Gezza

               /  October 11, 2018

              Yeah he was great. My kuia friend loved him. She used to bring his vids around to our place to watch. He could take the piss out of any character brilliantly. Pakeha Maori Mexican – you name it. He’d do a great job on you I reckon. Why would I need to say “God you talk some shit on here sometimes?”

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 11, 2018

              You’re an agile bugger … I’ll give you that …

              I’d never have even thought of that, much less spotted it coming.

              Time for the Mike Smith and Tame Iti show I reckon … with guest appearances from Titewhai and Hone Harawira …

            • Gezza

               /  October 11, 2018

              Well I’d be quite interested to see them in a televised comedy show. They no doubt have senses of humour. It would be interesting to see if it appealed to both Maori and Pakeha like BIlly T could. Anika Moa does great comedy.

          • PartisanZ

             /  October 11, 2018

            … “who” White folks could feel comfortable with … “who” … not “that” …

            It can get awfully subtle … and acknowledging it can get awfully hard … quite personally confronting …

            If anyone here understands what I’m saying … giv’us an uptick will ya!?

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            • Gezza

               /  October 11, 2018

              Thing me and whaea B liked about Billy T was he could read people and mimic them perfectly cos he had a sense of humour & the ability to spot the ridiculous.

            • Blazer

               /  October 12, 2018

              I liked Billy T …because he was…funny.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 12, 2018

              I disagree … I have no doubt some people did not find him funny …

              I can’t say “he was funny”, I can only safely say “he made ME laugh” …

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 12, 2018

              My brave attempts to hijack the thread … or keep it on track …

              All for naught!

            • Blazer

               /  October 12, 2018

              I was talking for myself…hence ‘I’ found him funny…whether others did is of no consequence to…me.
              Sometimes I find things…’funny’..but I don’t necessarily…laugh.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 12, 2018

              Good point …

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