Ghahraman reveals domestic violence, gets abused

In an interview Green MP Golriz Gahraman has revealed she has been the victim of domestic abuse – ‘I got strangled’ – and has again been the victim of reprehensible abuse on Twitter.

In an interview with Vice, the Green MP discussed the disproportionate amount of threatening messages she receives online – more, she says, than politicians much more powerful than her.

She said she’s had first-hand experience with how verbal abuse can quickly spiral into physical violence because she was once in a deeply unhealthy relationship.

“I’d go out with my friends, there’d always be a massive fight,” she said.

“I couldn’t turn on my phone because every time I’d turn it on I’d just get a barrage of messages that would just be something like, ‘slut-slut-slut-slut-slut,’ or ‘bitch-bitch-bitch-bitch-bitch-bitch’. And I’d just be like, ‘oh well I’ve got to turn my phone off’.”

The relationship got worse and worse, to the point where her partner began hurting her.

“Eventually, it got really physical. It was just like pushing and shaking and whatever. And then it got to a point where a couple of times I got strangled.”

This is awful, but if you follow court news in New Zealand you will know that this sort of abuse and violence is not uncommon (and gets worse than as described here).

Here is the full interview:

Some of the responses:

It wasn’t just on Twitter. SB at Whale Oil: Great News: Social Justice Warrior & virtue signaller extraordinaire may quit

It seems that the Green list MP we love to hate for her mistruths, incompetence, general stupidity and activism has finally seen the writing on the wall. However, given this nobody list MP’s penchant for the limelight I suspect that she has zero intention of actually quitting. 

In the article, the criticism and the facts revealed by critics were dismissed as baseless trolling likely fueled by racism. Golriz is portrayed as a poor widdle immigrant who just wants to be loved. A  fragile figure, who needs protection from the harsh reality of life and who seems astounded that her words and actions have consequences in the real world. Why can’t everyone just be nice?

The article also reveals another reason why we should be sympathetic towards a woman who spent her time as an intern helping defending violent and murderous men. One of her previous relationships was with a violent man and she is a survivor of domestic violence.

Atkins quotes the Vice account of the domestic abuse she has been subjected to and responds:

Her lying by omission and the role the Green party played in the deception is explained.

Given how much ‘lying by omission’ and deception Slater et al have been involved in this is hypocritical, and also sick.

And highly ironic given his recent post playing the victim and seeking sympathy and donations.

In comments, Nige:

She describes anyone who asks her about her past as a right wing troll.

Given Nige’s prominence in supporting and promoting Whale Oil as  self described ‘super-blog’ and still claiming to be ‘the fastest-growing media organisation in New Zealand’ perhaps it’s time to starting asking questions about his past.

There are a number of typically nasty comments, with blog manager Spanish Bride joining in (in reaction to “Is she predicting the Greens will be wiped out at the next election?”):

If she and her fellow Gunts keep up with the economy wreaking and activist behaviour it just might happen ( fingers crossed).

She is deeply involved in an activist blog often intent on political career ‘wreaking’ (sic). There are a few fingers crossed that Whale Oil may be wiped out before the next election (I think it may survive in some form).

The Whale Oil post became a part of the Twitter attack on Ghahraman:

This is a crappy indictment on social media and political blogging in New Zealand, albeit just an extreme portion of it.

I expected some nasty comments on Kiwiblog, but there are no posts and no comments I can see in General Debate – perhaps David Farrar is moderating on this topic. If so, good on him, it should happen more there.

I’ve been critical of Ghahraman as an MP, and I have my doubts she will succeed in politics unless she learns from her mistakes and improves somewhat.

But I think there is no excuse for the levels of abuse (the latest being just more of the same old crap that has been thrown at her) that she has inflicted on her.

Domestic abuse is a huge problem in New Zealand. There are many victims scattered across all demographics. Abusing people who publicly reveal the abuse they have suffered is despicable, and with an MP it is dirty, dirty politics.

It is difficult to stop individual cretins using via social media (confronting and standing up to them is one way that may help).

‘Media organisations’ and blogs that join the fray – and lead the baying bullshit – should also be confronted for their crappy behaviour and their promoting of crappy behaviour.

 

88 Comments

  1. FarmerPete

     /  October 12, 2018

    My family were domestic violence survivors – I mean real life and death type violence, so I generally don’t offer any comments on others. However, my instincts tell me there is a narrative being spun here. If I have that wrong I am sorry in advance. If I don’t its disgraceful.

    • If there is a narrative it is that more and more people are now prepared to go public over abuse and violence they have suffered from. In think this is a good thing. For too long violence in New Zealand has been swept under rugs. Prominent people haring their bad experiences is a positive step towards confronting the depth and breadth of the problem.

      I see no reason whatsoever why Gharaman should be doubted on this.

      • Alloytoo

         /  October 12, 2018

        “I see no reason whatsoever why Gharaman should be doubted on this.”

        I disagree, Gharaman has a history of twisting the narrative (sometimes 180 degrees) to suit her purposes.

        Her story is a one sided narrative which requires considerable scrutiny, until we see something ressembling evidence, then I see no reason to believe her now.

        • PartisanZ

           /  October 12, 2018

          She hasn’t named anyone … She’s shared a personal story …

          So I guess the issue is: Do I believe what she says?

          Now let me think of the names of other politicians whose utterances I tend not to believe …

          Now, let me think of the names of other politicians who share personal stories from their lives …

          • Corky

             /  October 12, 2018

            Why not think of Christine Blasey Ford? And how bs can muddy the waters so accuses can walk away without consequences.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 12, 2018

              Pete, she has alleged it. Revealed it would surely imply that there is some proof.

              I am rather sceptical, it all seems a little too opportune.

      • Blazer

         /  October 12, 2018

        ‘more, she says, than politicians much more powerful than her.’

        How can she substantiate this?

  2. PartisanZ

     /  October 12, 2018

    “This is awful, but if you follow court news in New Zealand you will know that this sort of abuse and violence is not uncommon (and gets worse than as described here).”

    Always this kind of ‘qualification’, every single day … at the YNZ ‘Leftie Shootin’ Gall’ry’

    I shot her through the hand, while it was raised. She was taking the oath of allegiance … but it could have been worse … I could have blown her arm off …

    It’s subtle this, like the subtle or ‘everyday’ racism I mentioned late last night.

    • I’m not sure what you are meaning here, but to clarify – it gets worse because some (to many) don’t survive domestic abuse. Some suffer horrendous abuse over years, over decades. I didn’t intend to diminish Golriz’s story, what she describes is bad, but there are worse outcomes for many, especially those who can’t escape the cycles of abuse.

      • PartisanZ

         /  October 12, 2018

        I can’t claim to be an expert or particularly ‘woke’ person Pete … as many a fellow commentator on here will no doubt shortly testify …

        The use of that word “but” though …

        I try to ask myself nowadays, “Why am I using that word … instead of “and” … or at all?”

        • Corky

           /  October 12, 2018

          You think ‘too’ much , Parti. Keep it simple. When Gezza tells you your posts are ”too simple,” like he’s explained mine are, you will know you’re on the right track.

          • PartisanZ

             /  October 12, 2018

            No Corky … when you’re on my tail like RIGHT NOW … I know I’m on the right track …

  3. PartisanZ

     /  October 12, 2018

    There’s a lot of garbage and *shit* floating ’round on the surface of Aotearoa NZ’s ‘clean green’ image-pond …

    Makes it look more like a milking-shed cesspool sometimes …

    It’s like a competition: Take pride in displaying your lack of compassion … See how far you can go … How truly dishonourable you can become … The Right Brigade will respect you for it …

    Parent’s must teach their children this *SHITE*?

    Toxic … like much of our social, cultural, political and natural environment …

    And what do we do?

    Pour more poison on it.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 12, 2018

      It’s not a question of compassion, this is someone who has made so many false claims that she is automatically doubted when she makes any claim that can’t be proved.

      Do you believe that she is the Minister of Defence?

      Her refugee status seems to change constantly to suit the situation.

      It’s highly possible that she is a fantasist.

  4. Blazer

     /  October 12, 2018

    did Golriz report the strangling to the Police?
    Shew should have of course to set an example that assault should not be tolerated.

    • Corky

       /  October 12, 2018

      I’m more interested in who strangled her? The partner who ‘allegedly” assaulted her could tell us much about her discernment and judgement of the human condition. It may reinforce or detract from the commonly held perceptions of Ghahraman as an individual.

      • robertguyton

         /  October 12, 2018

        You want to hear from the alleged strangler? You’re interested in the alleged strangler’s views on Golriz’ judgement and discernment?????????????????????????????????????????
        “The partner who ‘allegedly” assaulted her could tell us much about her discernment and judgement…”
        Corky???

        • Corky

           /  October 12, 2018

          Good back to pruning, Robert. It’s repetitive and doesn’t require much brain power.
          Oh, look,a rabbit running across the orchard..wow! Hold on, has it been in the garden?????

  5. Ray

     /  October 12, 2018

    Well Golriz has been shown to be, what is the weasel word, “economical with the truth” or was it “misleading by omission ” in the past but I don’t see why everything she says should be attacked.
    Examined closely, questioned, yes but attacked, no.
    Was it reported to the Police is a good question.

    • robertguyton

       /  October 12, 2018

      Why is “did she report it to the police” a “good question” or any business of ours?

      • Corky

         /  October 12, 2018

        Because like Metiria, she has put it out there in the public domain. Are you worried Golriz may go the same way as Metiria,and possibly Marama, at a later date? I hate to say it, Robert…but Labour and the Greens have ethnic problems.

        • Gezza

           /  October 12, 2018

          I’m a bit dubious about that claim that you hate to say it?
          Are you sure you hate to say it, Corks?

  6. robertguyton

     /  October 12, 2018

    “I expected some nasty comments on Kiwiblog…”
    There are now. In any case, you’ll get them here, Pete. In other posts you’ve written on Golriz certain commenters here haven’t shown their compassionate side to any noticeable degree.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 12, 2018

      And sadly it is actually possible they might not have any compassion to notice …

  7. Spanishbride

     /  October 12, 2018

    FAKE news Pete. In one post you claim Slater is no longer writing posts because of the court case and now you wrongly attribute a post I wrote to him and this is not the first time that you have deliberately lied about who the author of an article was on Whaleoil. We have multiple authors as you well know. Why is the truth not enough for you Pete? Your obsession with ‘getting’ Cam is bad for your blood pressure I am sure.

    • Good to see you taking responsibility, sort of. You haven’t addressed the nastiness of the post though.

      • Spanishbride

         /  October 12, 2018

        You are right, I am ignoring your complaints but then I ignore the ‘nastiness’ of your posts about my husband and Whaleoil every single week. I suggest you grow a thicker skin and accept that not everyone shares your world view. Golriz is your equal and does not need protecting from criticism as if she was a fragile little flower. It is sexist to expect the gloves to be off just because she is a woman. She has shown herself to be less than honest on many occasions. You can choose to ignore her history if you want to.

        • I don’t post about WO every single week, nothing like that. Most of the time these days there is nothing of note to comment on.

          Perhaps you could consider your own advice on growing a thicker skin. You put yourself out there as major media, just recently I think you were saying how other media notices and reports on you, you often criticise other media, but you have a thin skin to any criticism.

          You seem to have fragile little flower syndrome yourself.

          • david in aus

             /  October 12, 2018

            I am glad you allowed Spanishbride to post, very classy and magnanimous of you. We all know WO bans anyone very quickly, if you have alternative points of view or if you expose their hypocrisy.

            However, don’t feel obliged to report on WO, so we don’t need to.

            No one cares.

  8. Corky

     /  October 12, 2018

    ”Given Nige’s prominence in supporting and promoting Whale Oil as self described ‘super-blog’ and still claiming to be ‘the fastest-growing media organisation in New Zealand’ perhaps it’s time to start asking questions about his past.”

    Now that may possibly be great reading for a rainy day.

  9. Missy

     /  October 12, 2018

    Pete, if those examples are the ‘reprehensible abuse’ she received on twitter then our language is slowly being diluted. There are a couple of those examples that are reprehensible, but on the whole most were (if not in the most diplomatic way) questioning what she said. Considering how economical with the truth she has been it is understandable some will question her now, and wonder if she is exaggerating her experiences.

    We should definitely call out those who were truly abusive, but it seems more and more those that question a particular viewpoint or experience are being accused of being abusive.

    This post could have looked at her interview and claimed experiences, but instead you seem to have got caught up in this idea that anything that questions a woman’s claim of being mistreated is abuse, this is as bad as those that do throw abuse, you are infantilising and victimising a woman by claiming she is the victim of reprehensible abuse, when mostly she is the victim of is having her integrity and credibility questioned.

    She received some reprehensible abuse, but to categorise it all as such is just overreaction and hyperbole.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 12, 2018

      She is finding out that known liars tend to be disbelieved. This is the woman who publicly claimed to be NZ’s first female Minister of Defence when she is not and wouldn’t be anything like the first woman to hold the post even if she was.

      The ‘abuse’ seems to be mainly understandable scepticism of anything that she says, given her track record of exaggerated and untrue statements.

      I agree that it infantilises women to assume that we are incapable of lying, as if we were small children. Two of the worst liars I have ever known were women (one being the self-seeking hag who claimed that the Marty Palmer who was killed in Pike River was her son , later changed to grandson when it was found that the victim was the son of the man named at first)

      Strangled really means being killed; I don’t know why people began using it wrongly to mean being choked but not murdered.

      • PartisanZ

         /  October 12, 2018

        Wow! What can one say …?

        You could give Don Brash masterclasses …

        Who was the other worst liar who was female?

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 12, 2018

          Her friend who, among other things, claimed that her grandfather was a famous engineer called Sir Francis Spring…who didn’t have any children. He was married once and his wife died when they were both old. He left India, where he had done great things in old age and lived in Jersey, alone.

          The liar gave him a non-existent second wife when it was obvious that his real one couldn’t possibly be her grandmother, had him burying the family silver to hide it from the Germans (although he died in 1933, six years before the War began) and would have people believe that her mother came to NZ alone, with nothing but one pound in money, a sheepskin and a rifle. She became a drover, and drove animals over the Auckland Harbour Bridge….decades before it was built.

          The grandmother had a pet black panther….one Indian friend asked sarcastically if she’d been a Maharanee.

          The liar repeated some stories that I told her unlucky 3rd husband about my mother’s schooldays in the UK at a very prestigious school….repeated them to me, as if they had happened to her.

          She owned a ‘big flash Art Deco house’ whose location changed (liars need good memories) from Wairoa to Napier to somewhere else, although it kept the same street address, and sold it for $450,000. This had happened some years before, and was a most unlikely price for a house then….especially as 4 XXXXXXXX St was (a) a factory in an industrial area (b) a small old house that was obviously a workingman’s dwelling (c) a new subdivision (according to the town in which it was).

          She backed up the matron of dishonour in the Pike River claims.She knew the victim.

          Her daughter and son are supposedly academics at Auckland and Canterbury. Neither of them is, but her son is a technician. We were told that he was doing a PhD and that his exam marks were all As. Exams in a PhD??? Not in any university I know of. It’s not a good idea to lie to people who have degrees and know what a PhD is. No, Mrs Liar, it’s not ‘a degree in philosophy’.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 12, 2018

            She also went to several schools at the same time, in NZ and the UK*, and instead of having set texts to read, they were shown films of the books that were in the curriculum 😀 Yes, that would really work as a substitute. The pupils were also given the answers to the exams that they were to do that year….the ones set by Education Department, like School C. The teachers at the school where this happened somehow knew what the questions were going to be.

            * she later let out that she didn’t have a passport and had never left NZ

            The Bridge story was so stupid that you’d have to wonder who’d be idiotic enough to tell it.

            Mrs Lying-Bitch made her husband buy a cemetery plot and put a headstone on it as a memorial to dear mama….there’s hardly a word of truth on it. I don’t know why Sir Francis Spring was chosen for the honour of being Mrs L-B’s grandfather. She must have been furious when my old man found an obit of him and showed it to her. Grandma was first the real Lady Spring (until it was obvious that she was an old woman when mama was born) then it was an extra-marital affair (until Mrs L-B must have realised that this would mean that mama’s name would be wrong) and lastly the second wife, who didn’t exist.

  10. Pink David

     /  October 12, 2018

    Gahraman has no credibility and plenty of form for Trump-like exuberance in her claims. I can’t help but think she has a strategy of whipping up the storm for her to protest about. She is at least one side of the same coin.

  11. Blazer

     /  October 12, 2018

    the accompanying video is hardly an ‘interview’….camera, ready,action,roll for take 2…Golriz promo…video.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 12, 2018

      Fair comment …

      I wonder how many interviews are really ‘interviews’ though?

      I gather many and perhaps most TV interviews of politicians are ‘prescribed’ to some extent?

      I think that’s why some people who shall go unlabeled hate Morning Report et al on RNZ … often very real and spontaneous …

  12. PartisanZ

     /  October 12, 2018

    I want a judicial system that doesn’t involve legal representation for the defense too!!!

    I want that …. and I’m all for ‘free speech’ and the rule of Law.

  13. Gezza

     /  October 12, 2018

    This is a problem that doesn’t get talked about as much.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 12, 2018

      … Gotta agree … #Happens2MentooStreet offramp

    • Corky

       /  October 12, 2018

      Toughen up, son. We are Kiwi men. Problem solved.

      • PartisanZ

         /  October 12, 2018

        Middle-eastern, female, lesbian defence lawyer – “Objection! Objection!”

        Judge Whiteright – “Objectionable sustained” …

        • Blazer

           /  October 12, 2018

          ‘lesbian’!!….is that ‘fella’ Guy Williams…a trans gender?

        • Gezza

           /  October 12, 2018

          Lesbian? Parti you haven’t made one of your classic incorrect assumptions here, have you?

          • PartisanZ

             /  October 12, 2018

            Guys … keep your tin hats on … I wasn’t referring to anyone in particular … no specific individual …

            • Blazer

               /  October 12, 2018

              should have realised that…the context…’Middle-eastern, , lesbian defence lawyer’…gave you..away.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 12, 2018

              Oh no! BUSTED!

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 12, 2018

              Actually … Speaking of Jono, Ben and getting axed …

              Guy Williams was the only ‘brief spot of relevance’ in their show.

              Relevance is ‘second fiddle’ nowadays.

            • Corky

               /  October 12, 2018

              ”Speaking of Jono, Ben and getting axed.”

              ”The cancellation, announced during Thursday night’s episode, comes after the show’s TV ratings dropped to an all-time low last month, with an average audience of 61,000 viewers (25-54) tuning in.”

              61,000,eh, Parti. I wouldn’t want them on a jury if I was going up before Judge Bula Lutako Allah. That lot would need a guide rope just to find the rest rooms.

  14. Rickmann

     /  October 12, 2018

    Why do you continue to give publicity to such news hounds as Lizzie Marvellie and Golriz Ghahraman especially, as has been pointed out so many times, so much of what they say/post is absolute rubbish ? Having recently come back to NZ I am very mindful of how violent a culture it is and how much of it, especially domestic violence, is due to alcohol and other drugs, but we now have a culture of complaint the feeds on attention.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 12, 2018

      A culture of complaint that feeds on attention comes from being neglected, emotionally abused and bashed around too much …

      Now ……… which one to deal with first?

  15. duperez

     /  October 12, 2018

    Gahraman has no chance. She’s a politician. That immediately categorises her as someone as deserving loathing. She is in the Green Party. Venomous loathing. She is in a Government which sees the favourites of many in opposition. The way that exercise happened was unusual. Scope for anger.

    As a young woman in the position she is in, she is an outlier, part of a tradition breaker. She is not the daughter of 8th generation Wairarapa farmers. Chances don’t look good for her.

    She says things. Bloody cheek. People don’t ignore her, can’t ignore her. Gahraman plays the media game the way that Slater and Trump and Farrar and Collins and Ardern play their own games. Bitch. In certain weathers it’s called ‘propaganda.’ And the sensitive Niges of the world are distraught that the woman resorts to cheap labels!

    So, a magnetic target, standing, saying, knowing that all the steely tipped weapons are pointed her way.

    Social media gives malcontents, the irrational and the hypocritical their say. That’s great. Also it sometimes ignites the reflection on the adage of us getting the government and politicians we deserve.

    Trouble is some of the lunatic reactions suggest that a look in the mirror would have some viewers mistaking a meathead for a genius.

    • robertguyton

       /  October 12, 2018

      You nailed it, duper.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 12, 2018

      “Now s/he’s planning … the post of the Century … Oh what will it be?” – Super Tramp

      That would be “hypercritical” my friend …

      Ain’t a single avatar-person on here suffers from hypocriticality*

      YES! * new word # 179

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 12, 2018

      Why not just use the existing word, hypocrisy?

    • Corky

       /  October 12, 2018

      Great summation, Duperez. Why don’t you email that post to her. Help her understand the futility of her situation, allowing her to make a quick exit from politics.

  16. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 12, 2018

    If you can’t stand the heat, …

    The world is full of idiots you have to ignore and avoid. The trick is to make sure you are not another one.

    • Blazer

       /  October 12, 2018

      I hope you master that art ,sometime soon….Al.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 12, 2018

        Haven’t quite managed to ignore you yet, B.

        • Blazer

           /  October 12, 2018

          I was almost tempted to give you an uptick for that Al…then I remembered..’I can resist anything except..temptation’..so I did.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 12, 2018

      @Alan – “if you can’t stand the heat …”

      What I really want, aside from the removal of defense representation in all jurisprudence, including international war-crimes, is to have members of parliament representing me who are cold, lifeless, hate-media riven Zombies with political PTSD …

      Mmmm … That’ll be why we loved the dildo throwing incident so much!

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 12, 2018

        I didn’t love it. It was childish attention-seeking.

        • PartisanZ

           /  October 12, 2018

          I meant our media and much of the public “embraced” the dildo Miss Kitty …

        • PartisanZ

           /  October 12, 2018

          This has gotta be the place where getting off-topic has reached a state of exemplary near perfection …

          I love it!

  17. sorethumb

     /  October 12, 2018

    Ant update on Marama’s alleged rape threats Robert? I understood an arrest was imminent?

    • robertguyton

       /  October 12, 2018

      An “Ant” update, sore thumb? Here it is …. … …… .. .. .. ……… ….. . … . …… .. . . .
      Geddit?

      • Pink David

         /  October 12, 2018

        Robert, are you comfortable that a green party member knows an actual rapist, yet takes no action to bring him to justice? Somewhat at odds with the parties views is it not?

      • Gezza

         /  October 12, 2018

        That ant looks injured? Seems to have a limp?

    • Gezza

       /  October 12, 2018

      It is kind of odd that nothing further has been reported.

      The police stating twice that they had had nobody come forward with evidence to back up Anihera’s claim of her husband’s pedo ring was reported.

    • sorethumb

       /  October 12, 2018

      Not the answer I was looking for Robert? Have the police got closer to Marama’s *alleged* rape-threat individual?

      • robertguyton

         /  October 12, 2018

        “Not the answer I was looking for Robert”
        Really? What answer were you looking for?

  18. Col

     /  October 12, 2018

    Media organizations should be held to account for promoting the ramblings of MP’s like Ghaharman without seeking proof of the many unfounded accusations she makes. You list the post by Gentle Breeze as abusive. Would you like to tell us what is abusive about it?

    • Gezza

       /  October 12, 2018

      When they start doing it to Winston they’ll have cracked it.

      • sorethumb

         /  October 12, 2018

        Are the police closer to capturing the person who *allegedly* threatened Marama with rape etc?

        • Gezza

           /  October 12, 2018

          I don’t know. They haven’t emailed me to say they are yet. Nothing posted on my Facebook page, no iMs and no Messenger posts from them either.

  19. David in Aus

     /  October 12, 2018

    Females can be as deceitful and bad as any male. Extolling females as the fairer sex is as damaging as misogyny.

    Your sex does not determine your moral fibre.

    I am not sure how Don Brash came into the conversation for lying. Did he do something to you personally, PartisanZ? Or Is anybody you disagree with is the worst of the worst?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 12, 2018

      Women like Golriz complain about everything and everyone. Then they complain men don’t take them seriously.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 12, 2018

      David in aus, Don Brash didn’t come into the conversation for lying …

      The topic isn’t about Golriz being a liar …

      Nor is it about extolling females as the fairer sex or as being incapable of lying.

      My comment about “masterclasses for Don Brash” was about Miss Kitty’s ‘Ghost’ argument, based on the incorrect assumption (conclusion) that Golriz is a known liar …

      I don’t know this. Miss Kitty believes it, that’s all.

      A series of equally incorrect statements follow, based on this incorrect premise, rather like Brash & Co’s proclamations based on the assumption that Chief’s ceded their sovereignty at Waitangi and subsequent signings of Te Tiriti …

      Miss Kitty’s “I agree that it infantilizes women to assume that we are incapable of lying, as if we were small children” is very similar to the Right Brigade’s oft used argument “It is belittling for Maori to have Maori seats”

      Anyone can get a lot of mileage out of this kinda spin, except it has nothing to do with Golriz’s revelations of domestic violence … (just as Maori seats have nothing to do with either lauding or belittling Maori … only representing them)

      How exactly does one get from revelations of domestic violence to defending one’s self against phantom people one believes are assuming that women – and by implication ‘me’ – are angelically honest and innocent like small children … ? It’s quite bizarre …

      Aside from anything else, small children aren’t innocent and honest …

      There must be a name for what I’m describing (not very clearly) … Lying by ‘partial amplification’ or something …?