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  1. robertguyton

     /  October 12, 2018

    “Finance Minister Grant Robertson said he was “deeply saddened” to see how much confidence business owners had lost over the last year, and the Government wanted to do something to help.

    “We can’t be sure why business owners have lost so much confidence,” he said. “Maybe they’re really bad at their jobs, maybe their businesses are failing and it’s completely their fault, maybe they’re a waste of space, but during Mental Health Week, it would be negligent for us to leave the problem unaddressed.”

    Robertson said the Government would target business owners with the lowest confidence for a “full round” of counseling sessions, and set up a helpline for any other business owners not feeling optimistic about either themselves or the long-term fiscal outlook of the nation’s finances or economic growth.

    National has scoffed at the plan, but also said some things about it.

    “Really I think most people see this as a bad joke,” said National Party leader and that one wedding guest you can’t quite place Simon Bridges. “It’s not a coincidence that business confidence has fallen since this coalition was formed.”

    Bridges said business owners were “feeling sad” because the Prime Minister and others had said “mean things” about them and “made them feel bad about themselves.”

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 12, 2018

      Top!

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    • Gezza

       /  October 12, 2018

      Looks a bit like Fake News, robert?

      Is this from TS ? o_O

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      • Blazer

         /  October 12, 2018

        learn to recognise …satire.Did you get school C? 😉

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        • Gezza

           /  October 12, 2018

          (Yeah – I know it’s satire Blazer. It’s bloody good satire too. Don’t tell robert I said that. 😀 )

          Actually, no, I didn’t get School C ! Well, I got less than 50% of the total for all 5 subjects and only two subjects over 50%. So I don’t think I got School C. But I got UE.

          I never figured out how that was even possible, but I wasn’t going to turn down being allowed to go into 6th Form without having to repeat 5th form with the thickos.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  October 12, 2018

            You were a special case Gezza … 😉😆😆🤣🤢

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            • Gezza

               /  October 12, 2018

              Probably. The chaplain used to take religious class once a month and get into debates with me because I was an atheist by 6th form and gobby about it. Luckily he was a young chap with a GSOH.

            • Gezza

               /  October 12, 2018

              Actually, just thinking about it a bit more. I never did anything they could expel me for. Maybe they just a had a get together and decided to try and should me through the forms as fast as possible and out of there rather than inflict me on themselves for an extra year?

            • Gezza

               /  October 12, 2018

              *shoot me through the forms

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 12, 2018

              Well … the same slightly adapted axiom applies mate …

              When Injustice becomes Canon Law: Resistance becomes our Duty.

              RESPECT Gezza.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 12, 2018

              Poor Gezza ! that must have been painful.

            • Gezza

               /  October 12, 2018

              They used pea shooters Kitty.

        • Gezza

           /  October 12, 2018

          Ah, yes, just checked – I thought that article had a The Civilian feel to it. 😀
          http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/government-will-provide-therapy-for-business-owners-to-help-them-feel-more-confident/

          I like Ben Uffindel’s work. I also like this one:

          Praise has been ubiquitous for the inanimate carbon rod
          http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/water-whirler-doubles-in-value-after-beaning-titanic-douchemonger/ 😎

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          • robertguyton

             /  October 12, 2018

            Way better than anything I could pen. I ought to have provided the link, but figured it was obvious where it came from. I used ” ” these guys, but if in doubt, I always copy a chunk and Google it…

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            • PartisanZ

               /  October 12, 2018

              Robert … It’s as if you’ve broken some unspoken rule … which nobody else on here abides by much either …

              You, however, are a Greenie, Goat-like Warlock living in a Food Forest …

              Row 2 down in the shooting gallery.

            • robertguyton

               /  October 12, 2018

              Perhaps if I was more discrete … a pseudonym perhaps? “Pancreass? I once used “Hugh Manatee” – any good? At the height of my powers, I posted as “Greenfly” and was really annoying!

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 12, 2018

              Nah … extra credits and kudos from Alan for using your real name on here …

            • Gezza

               /  October 12, 2018

              Quite like “Hugh Manatee”

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 12, 2018

            Hugh SEACOW?

            The satire was a little longwinded and lost some of its point because of this.

            Gerry Attrick is a nice name.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 12, 2018

              So is Hugh Mann-Behan.

              I made that one up.

    • Gezza

       /  October 12, 2018

      One for robert, from the same reputable news source:
      http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/just-how-much-of-the-2-billion-kiwibuild-fund-has-phil-twyford-spent-on-fortnite/

      On the left is one thing we’re talking about. On the right is another thing we’re talking about. You see them here juxtaposed. You are now informed.

      “One Auckland mother is reportedly furious and distraught after finding her finances several million dollars short due to purchases in the video game Fortnite by one of her ministers.

      The minister, 55-year-old Phil, has reportedly racked up untold numbers of cosmetic purchases on the mother’s account without her knowledge, and the wider family has been left to pick up the pieces.

      The popular new game has proved dangerous to children all over the globe, entrapping them with the use of fun and a distraction from the increasingly undeniable pointlessness of existence. The game has become popular enough that it has forced media to cover it, causing headaches for journalists who are young enough to know plenty about video games but with an old enough audience they still have to write like they’re imbeciles.

      The game has apparently captured the imagination of Housing Minister Phil Twyford, who has allegedly spent “millions” of the $2 billion fund on the video game. But Twyford says the amount he’s spent on the game is negligible “in the scheme of things.” Later asked to clarify what was meant by the “scheme of things,” a written response from the minister’s office read “Things generally.”

      But privately, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Finance Minister Grant Robertson are fuming, and a loud argument took place on Wednesday in Twyford’s bedroom, which he has refused to come out of since.

      “What are these?” growled Ardern, waving a series of bank statements.
      “Hats,” said Twyford.
      “HATS!?”
      “For my character.”

      To meet his targets, Twyford needs to complete 1,000 houses by July 1st next year, 150 of which were meant to be built in Minecraft. But Twyford has been spending relatively little time on that video game, instead racking up hundreds of hours in Fortnite, which he tells Ardern and Robertson is “much more fun.”

      “Minecraft is boring!” he screeched at them. “You can’t kill anybody, it’s just placing blocks for hours, and I have no idea how we’re going to insure them against creepers.” Twyford said it was going to be “extremely difficult” telling new homeowners chosen in the Kiwibuild ballot that their house was “just a Minecraft house.”

      “They will not be pleased,” he said. “Especially because, six of them, I didn’t even know how to access the stone blocks, so they’re just wood blocks, and also one of them’s next to a big pool of lava.” “One is made of dirt,” he added. He was also quick to point out that you can “build stuff” in Fortnite too, though he wasn’t sure whether weaponised fortresses counted towards the targets.

      The Government has been in contact with Epic Games, the makers of Fortnite, to try and seek a refund on Twyford’s purchases, but a spokesperson for the company said it was “up to parents” to police the spending habits of their 55-year-old housing ministers.”

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      • PartisanZ

         /  October 12, 2018

        Great stuff …!!!

        As talk and action separate completely, fact and story, news and narrative, come together …

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 12, 2018

          The President becomes an actor – Reagan – or a TV game show celebrity – Trump.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 12, 2018

        Once again, too longwinded and it loses some of its sharpness because it goes on too long. It needs impartial editing.

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  October 12, 2018

    Off doing dog agility with RED this weekend,fun,fun fun, where petrols cheaper

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 12, 2018

      Does anyone else bother to enter when they hear that RED (Old Velvet-Ears) is competing? What would be the point ? He’s brilliant.

      When’s he coming to the Waikato?

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  3. phantom snowflake

     /  October 12, 2018

    Speaking of “agility”, check this out. Chilling to say the least.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 12, 2018

      The soldiers and policemen of the New World Order …

      Dentists? Truck drivers? Gynecologists? Early Childhood Educators? The person-with-a-mild-disability who collects all the trundlers from out in the supermarket carpark … ?

      I won’t say “local supermarket” because many people don’t shop locally nowadays … or eat of locally-grown ingredients … or dress locally-made … or buy anything much locally …

      I remember as a child going on a long car trip from Mt Albert to Pakuranga, Mum’s first ever supermarket shopping adventure at one of the first to open in Auckland … maybe New Zealand … (Pakuranga was a model middle-class suburb back then, if you went East it meant you didn’t need public transport) …

      Supermarket shopping was amazing (even with the limited selection that Welfare State ‘Socialism’ allowed in those days). A different galaxy compared to Mum walking us up the road every coupla days wheeling a trundler … or having a box delivered on bicycle by the grocery boy …

      Day off politics and fighting today … probably belongs in General Chat along with Major Rock.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  October 12, 2018

        Here he is anyway … Robot Rock …

        So add “musicians” to the list of future ‘occupations’ ( … get my drift?)

        Mmmm … that’s one way to depopulate the world of human beings …

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      • Gezza

         /  October 12, 2018

        Happy days, those. Similar experiences growing up in New Plymouth. I remember the first supermarket that opened in our suburb. Mum got a job in their fruit and vege department when we were old enuf to be left at home alone. Mum and dad used to own a dairy and tea rooms when we were little. She wound up working in the supermarket under the grocer who used to have a fruit and vege store across from their tea rooms so they got on well.

        She got me an interview for my first after-school job there.

        I remember the grocery delivery boys. They had special bikes with a small front wheel and a big box-carrier atop it.

        The first supermarkets were owner-operated. Then most of them expanded, opening more supermarkets in other suburbs. I remember they were great to shop in, but then slowly over time all the local dairies & fruit and vege shops started to close because they couldn’t compete. Local butcher shops were probably the last to go.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 12, 2018

          Yep … I think there were three or four IGA or Four Square grocery stores within spitting distance of our place … so it was a matter of personal preference, service standards and often personal acquaintance who you shopped with …

          Young blokes would leave school at 15 to do a Grocery apprenticeship … with a view to eventually opening their own store or taking over their employer’s shop upon his or the family’s retirement.

          Some proprietors were on a kind of business ladder or cycle of improvement, sale, purchase and improvement …

          Employed a lot of people that system did … with Wholesalers as another tier of the operation …

          Good old ‘socialism’ eh?

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          • Gezza

             /  October 12, 2018

            Actually I think it was good old social democracy – regulated capitalism.

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            • PartisanZ

               /  October 12, 2018

              Yes, #metoo … but we can smear and besmirch it’s name by calling it ‘socialism’ and, if need be, referring to Stalin as though he has any relevance whatsoever to Aotearoa New Zealand …

            • Gezza

               /  October 12, 2018

              We walked or biked everywhere, swam & jumped off cliffs into the Waiwakaiho (mind you even then we knew not to swallow the water – it’s dairy country). No malls. We had the main drag in town. You could talk to the cops on the beat, have a joke and a tease with them. Duck out of the pubs when you saw them come in the front door – never duck into the loos that was the first place they looked for the under-agers.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 12, 2018

              Yes, I guess pubs did have the advantage of providing “containment” for the drinkers, didn’t they …

              The driving home was a bigger problem though …

            • Gezza

               /  October 12, 2018

              We used to walk home or take the bus.

            • Gezza

               /  October 12, 2018

              Mind you there would be plenty of drink drivers too, and these days most would be unlikely to get a pissed as many did then. There was a slack attitude to drink driving and no breathalysers back then.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 12, 2018

          The first supermarket was in the 1950s. One brilliant piece of thinking was the parking. This must have been quite innovative, using land just for that.

          I have never seen a delivery bike in use.

          My laundry basket is an old wheeled basket that probably dates back to the 30s. It was found in a shed and now adorns my bathroom. The modern, boring one went to the opshop.

          The received wisdom when I was a teenager was that underage drinkers were the best-behaved. We, er, they probably were, too. The idea was not to draw attention to yourself, even if cops walked in.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 12, 2018

            Breathalysers came in in 1969 in NZ.

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            • Gezza

               /  October 12, 2018

              Breathalysers came in in 1969 in NZ.
              That surprises me Kitty. They weren’t much in evidence around our way, although there wasn’t such a strong focus on drink driving then.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 12, 2018

              I thought it might have been earlier.

            • Gezza

               /  October 12, 2018

              You’d get pulled over and tested if you were driving in a manner that suggested DUI, I think. I don’t remember the kind of police campaigns of a booze bus nearby and a squad of officers stopping all traffic and testing all drivers that we get now.

          • PartisanZ

             /  October 12, 2018

            Oh fuck yeah, devoting precious land to parking cars all at ground level is a stroke of bloody genius!

            My adventure to Pakuranga would have been in about ’62 or ’63 I reckon …

            I guess “new” depends on when you find out about the supermarket’s existence?

            We were pretty insular in the suburb of Mt Eden, which had its own shops, professional rooms … Borough Council … everything really …

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          • Gezza

             /  October 12, 2018

            @ Kitty

            Also known as a “bicycle truck” it seems:

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 12, 2018

              I have only seen those in displays, not being used.

            • I’ve ridden one. And a penny-farthing. Tried a unicycle but couldn’t do it. My son’s excellent on his.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 12, 2018

      I’m glad you’re looking at them Blazer …

      Brilliant article … fucken impressive actually! And that’s coming from a ‘Looney Leftie’ …

      “There are two decision-makers. How Fonterra runs its business is for its 10,000 farmer-shareholders to decide … However, the regulatory constraints within which Fonterra operates are for the Government to decide. Not surprisingly, the interface between the two is blurred in politics.

      Fonterra is poorly adapted to its purpose. It is time for its members and Government to shed deeply ingrained beliefs and look at things with a more open mind.”

      It’s a “cooperative” FFS! … How can an essentially ‘socialist’ model ever succeed in the capitalist arena? “We’re a ‘social enterprise'” wail the farmers …

      “List, List, List” the farmers chant … “Then Fonterra can afford the CEO we really deserve!”

      Inject those missing ‘extra ingredients’ of massive investment and quantum risk into the primary sector’s iconic consortium … the fabric of the nation …

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      • PartisanZ

         /  October 12, 2018

        Thinking about that again … the nation’s vital organ …

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 12, 2018

        Yet another failed monopoly created by a socialist government.

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        • Blazer

           /  October 12, 2018

          all the farmers and executives,merchant bankers ,lawyers and investors that supported the concept…are clearly all Communist,left loonies AL…good spotting…as usual.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  October 12, 2018

            “You took the words right out of my mouth … ”

            Whoops … better not go on with that allusion …

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            • PartisanZ

               /  October 12, 2018

              We can all be “ourselves” here … can’t we?

              It’s a safe-place … right?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  October 12, 2018

            How many grabbed the money and ran, B? When you see a big fat failure of a monopoly you can be sure a government maintains it.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 12, 2018

          Which socialist government created Fonterra?

          Oh yeah … Fifth Labour … They were about as ‘Red’s Under the Bed’ as governments come!

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          • PartisanZ

             /  October 12, 2018

            I’m surprised we didn’t “do a Venezuela” under Fifth Labour …

            They’d well and truly lost sight of the genuine Labour vision of Rogerednomics.

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  4. High Flying Duck

     /  October 12, 2018

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  5. PartisanZ

     /  October 12, 2018

    This requires careful consideration IMHO –

    “Why, after not being paid properly, and not having much help from the Labour Inspector, do you stay here? Is living in New Zealand that much better than life in the Phillippines when you’re treated like that?”

    Viloria laughs heartily, and shakes his head as he starts talking.

    “First of all, even if they don’t pay me properly, my dreams of going abroad really happened here in New Zealand. Even if I had a bad experience with Roderick [Laus] and even if I wasn’t paid, it’s okay for me.

    “In the Phillippines, even if you work properly, you don’t get paid properly. My children love it here too – they think it is more safe to live here and a better environment compared to my country.”

    Does the above warrant a headline: ‘No pay in NZ still better than life in the Philippines’?

    Who’s that headline aimed at?

    I guess Newsroom are also in “the business of news”?

    I can see why people like Arnold Toynbee talked about “a middle way between capitalism and socialism”

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  6. PartisanZ

     /  October 12, 2018

    ‘Revealed: Where NZ ranks to live and work’ – NZHeraldo

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12140971

    Lemme get this straight. It’s a survey of ex-pat Kiwis about what New Zealand is like to live in … ?

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