World view – Friday

Thursday GMT

WorldWatch2

For posting on events, news, opinions and anything of interest from around the world.

23 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  October 12, 2018

    Aljazeera tv midnight news

    Elizabeth Puranam (New Zealander) presenter

    Kashoggi:

    President Trump has said he won’t stop arms sales to Saudi Arabia to avoid damaging the American economy.

    The Saudis have apparently rescinded their permission for Turkish authorities to examine their consulate?

    • Gezza

       /  October 12, 2018

      Update:
      Turkish investigators have heard testimony from a source who was inside the Saudi consulate at the time of Khashoggi’s disappearance who claims to have heard sounds of a struggle, according to Al Jazeera’s Jamal Elshayyal, reporting from Istanbul.

      “I have learned earlier that, among the evidence with the investigation is testimony from inside the consulate at the time that Jamal [Khashoggi] was there, which includes hearing sounds of loud screams and shouting, as well as calls for help and the sound of a struggle and then sudden silence,” he said.

      Turkish foreign ministry sources denied to Al Jazeera that Saudis rescinded their authorisation for Turkish authorities to search the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

      The ministry’s remarks came after some media outlets claimed that Saudi Arabia cancelled an offer to allow Turkish authorities onto the premises after Turkish state-owned media published a list of the 15 Saudi nationals who allegedly arrived in Istanbul on the same day Khashoggi disappeared.

      (In a facebook video from salah newspaper associated with the Turkish government, among other things it is reported all Turkish consulate staff were given surprise leave & sent home before Khashoggi arrived.)

    • Gezza

       /  October 12, 2018

      Turks tell U.S. officials they have audio and video recordings that support conclusion Khashoggi was killed

      The recordings show that a Saudi security team detained Khashoggi in the consulate after he walked in Oct. 2 to obtain an official document before his upcoming wedding, then killed him and dismembered his body, Turkish officials said.

      The audio recording in particular provides some of the most persuasive and gruesome evidence that the Saudi team is responsible for Khashoggi’s death, the officials said.

      “The voice recording from inside the embassy lays out what happened to Jamal after he entered,” said one person with knowledge of the recording who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss highly sensitive intelligence.

      “You can hear his voice and the voices of men speaking Arabic,” this person said. “You can hear how he was interrogated, tortured and then murdered.”

      A second person briefed on the recording said men could be heard beating Khashoggi.

      The existence of such evidence would explain why Turkish officials were quick to accuse Saudi Arabia of killing Khashoggi. But Turkish officials are wary of releasing the recordings, fearing they could divulge how the Turks spy on foreign entities in their country, the officials said.

      It’s not clear that U.S. officials have seen the footage or listened to the audio, but Turkish officials have described their contents to their American counterparts.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/turks-tell-us-officials-they-have-audio-and-video-recordings-that-support-conclusion-khashoggi-was-killed/2018/10/11/119a119e-cd88-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d64b3b48520b

  2. Gezza

     /  October 12, 2018

    Aljazeera tv news:
    The White House is accusing the Maduro government of involvement in the death of a Venezuelan opposition leader and called on the regime of President Nicolas Maduro to release all political prisoners.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/10/white-house-condemns-venezuelan-regime-death-oppos/

    • Gezza

       /  October 12, 2018

      Wait a minute … wtf? What about the bloody Saudis? Why aren’t they calling on the Saudis to release all political prisoners?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 12, 2018

        The Saudis have over-reached and will now be universally condemned as a vile pariah state.

        • Blazer

           /  October 12, 2018

          sure they will….!!…:(

        • Gezza

           /  October 12, 2018

          Except in Trump Tower, Mar-a-Largo, and the White House, where they will be described as “fine people”, who are Trump’s “very good friends”, who are buying a lot of US arms and creating lots of jobs for Americans. lots of jobs, the most jobs ever, period. And Jared will be described as a foreign policy genius.

        • Gezza

           /  October 12, 2018

          Saudi Arabia has a criminal justice system based on a hardline and literal form of Shari’ah law reflecting a particular state-sanctioned interpretation of Islam.

          It is usually carried out publicly by beheading with a sword. A recent report by the European Saudi Organization for Human Rights (ESOHR) shows that the number of beheadings in the kingdom during the first quarter of 2018 rose by over 70 percent compared to the same period last year. Occasionally they can be performed by shooting.

          A public beheading will typically take place around 9am. The convicted person is walked into the square and kneels in front of the executioner. The executioner uses a sword known as a sulthan to remove the condemned person’s head from his or her body at the neck. After the convicted person is pronounced dead, a police official announces the crimes committed by the beheaded alleged criminal and the process is complete. The official might announce the same before the actual execution. This is the most common method of execution in Saudi Arabia because it is specifically called for by Sharia law. Professional executioners behead as many as ten people in a single day.

          Crucifixion of the beheaded body is sometimes ordered. For example, in 2009, the Saudi Gazette reported that “An Abha court has sentenced the leader of an armed gang to death and three-day crucifixion (public displaying of the beheaded body) and six other gang members to beheading for their role in jewelry store robberies in Asir.” (This practice resembles gibbeting, in which the entire body is displayed).

          In 2003, Muhammad Saad al-Beshi, whom the BBC described as “Saudi Arabia’s leading executioner”, gave a rare interview to Arab News.[10] He described his first execution in 1998: “The criminal was tied and blindfolded. With one stroke of the sword I severed his head. It rolled metres away…People are amazed how fast [the sword] can separate the head from the body.” He also said that before an execution he visits the victim’s family to seek forgiveness for the criminal, which can lead to the criminal’s life being spared. Once an execution goes ahead, his only conversation with the prisoner is to tell him or her to recite the Muslim declaration of belief, the Shahada. “When they get to the execution square, their strength drains away. Then I read the execution order, and at a signal I cut the prisoner’s head off,” he said. Wikipedia

      • Blazer

         /  October 12, 2018

        • Gezza

           /  October 12, 2018

          Soz. Meant to post above wiki and photo below this one.
          Fine people.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 12, 2018

            Crucifiction doesn’t mean public display of bodies.

            People were beheaded in France within living memory, and the execution methods in the US are pretty grim. An executioner who knows what he’s about will have the head off in an instant. The US executions take excruciating minutes which must seem like hours.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 12, 2018

              France only stopped the guillotine in 1981, I thought that it was longer ago than that.

  3. High Flying Duck

     /  October 12, 2018

    A very good write up on Trump reality vs coverage – not fawning and not vilifying. Written by a Democrat who turned off the media:

    “Like most Democrats, I reacted to the stunning 2016 election of Donald Trump with a combination of confusion and dread. After all, Hillary Clinton was the favorite and, to Democrats like me, a Trump victory seemed to portend certain economic disaster, nuclear war, and pretty much the end of America as we knew it.

    But now nearly two years into his administration, Trump has presided over a “winning streak” that includes a booming economy and stock market, an unemployment level at a nearly 50-year low, two Supreme Court appointments, no new foreign wars or domestic terrorist attacks emanating from abroad, a significant degree of progress on trade relations with Canada and Mexico, a “needed reset” on the China relationship, and the prospect of peace on the Korean Peninsula.

    Perhaps it is time that even his opponents reconsider Trump. Does Trump have a strategy that we can describe? Is Trump a return of Richard Nixon, of Ronald Reagan, or of something else entirely? After several months of watching the news without gaining any answers, I finally canceled my cable subscription and sought out other sources. I found some insights in unexpected places.

    Trump’s presidency marks a return to realpolitik and great power politics. No one knows what goes on in Trump’s mind or if even he believes he has a strategy. What matters is what Trump does, so this essay looks at his actions, considers the bias of his critics, and seeks a new way to understand his policies. It considers the possibility that Trump has a method to his madness.”

    https://warontherocks.com/2018/10/trump-and-the-end-of-smugness/

    • Blazer

       /  October 12, 2018

      good read.Thx.Makes alot of sense.
      Winning the presidency itself showed that Trump was not only underestimated but had a good understanding of prevailing sentiments and how to appeal to them.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 12, 2018

        I wonder how much of the strong economy etc are because of him. One person can’t do all that, surely.

        He and Kanye West are a pair of blowbags. West could have had the courtesy to take his hat off indoors. How rude is that? He also loves the sound of his own voice. What an oaf he is.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 12, 2018

        Had to give you an uptick for that, B. The article articulates a lot of what I sensed about Trump and the incompetence of most of his critics.

    • Corky

       /  October 12, 2018

      His greatness is yet to be realised, even by his most ardent supporters.

      • Gezza

         /  October 12, 2018

        Fortunately his greatness has not been missed by him. I actually like it that he is practising realpolitik. The other world powers have been & will continue to do so. Trump has declared economic wars rather than military ones. In the end this could be a good thing. The US has dominated the world economy for too long and now he has declared America First and that anyone who threatens America’s interests can expect punishment this should be questioned – because America’s interests are not the same as everyone else’s – and much of the strife in parts of the current world – and the pushbacks – are the end result of America pursuing its interests in the mistaken assumption other countries look up to them for being THE global superpower.