Why this much outrage over one journalist death?

I think this is a fair point:

The millions of victims of Saudi Arabia’s genocide in Yemen, dirty war on Syria or internal beheading spree never receive anything near the level of sympathy the elite media class displays here. It took allegations of murdering one of their own to turn on MBS.

Most of those responsible for 911 (15 if 19) were Saudi.

Al Jazeera:  Key facts about the war in Yemen

As of March 26, 2018, at least 10,000 Yemenis had been killed by the fighting, with more than 40,000 casualties overall.

The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), estimates that more than 3 million Yemenis have fled their homes to elsewhere in the country, and 280,000 have sought asylum in other countries, including Djiboutiand Somalia. As reported by Al Jazeera, internally displaced Yemenis often must cope with a lack of food and inadequate shelter. Many Yemenis who have not fled are also suffering, especially those in need of healthcare.

In 2015, Saudi Arabia formed a coalition of Arab states to defeat the Houthis in Yemen. The coalition includes Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Sudan and Senegal. Several of these countries have sent troops to fight on the ground in Yemen, while others have only carried out air attacks.

The US government regularly launches air attacks on al-Qaeda and Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as ISIS) targets in Yemen, and recently admitted to having deployed a small number of troops on the ground. The US, along with other western powers such as the UK and France, has also supplied the Saudi-led coalition with weapons and intelligence.

The Intercept: HOW THE SAUDI-QATARI RIVALRY HAS FUELED THE WAR IN SYRIA

Meanwhile, the Gulf regimes and the U.S. were plotting a regime change operation in Syria, dating from at least 2006.

But these two endlessly recycled narratives obscure a critical cause of the Syrian conflict and the longevity of the war: namely, the intense competition between Saudi Arabia on the one hand and Qatar on the other. The struggle between these two foreign powers has been a crucial dimension of the war — and their struggle and involvement has only been made possible with full U.S. and European Union support, although different Western countries sided more with one side or the other at different periods of the conflict.

Guardian: Saudi Arabia criticised for 48 beheadings in four months of 2018

Saudi Arabia has executed 48 people in the past four months, half of them on non-violent drug charges, Human Rights Watch has said.

The US-based group urged the kingdom to improve what it called a “notoriously unfair criminal justice system”.

Saudi Arabia has one of the world’s highest rates of execution: suspects convicted of terrorism, homicide, rape, armed robbery and drug trafficking face the death penalty.

What has been alleged to have happened to Jamal Khashoggi sounds bad, but so are many many other atrocities.

 

33 Comments

  1. The difference is I don’t give a shit with the Saudi Arabian government does with its own citizens, if they don’t like it they can rebel, same as we did when we created America, and as long as they don’t get in our way when it comes to military operations in the Middle East they can do what they want on that front too, if they don’t mess with us then I don’t care. This journalist however was an American, if he’s dead in the Saudis killed an American, and all the sudden I have a big reason to care. So should the American government, and luckily was Trump in office, he’ll likely do something about it as soon as we have more info to justify action, this kind of stuff, when perpetrated against Americans, is not acceptable and will not be allowed to stand.

    • Apologies for the minor typos here and there in the previous comment, text to talk feature is evil sometimes, doesn’t always work right.

      • Blazer

         /  October 13, 2018

        minor typo..your second name has an S instead of an…N.

      • sorethumb

         /  October 13, 2018

        US will weigh the costs of reaction against the economic costs given it’s reliance on oil?

        • PartisanZ

           /  October 13, 2018

          … and sale of arms …

        • chrism56

           /  October 13, 2018

          How about using facts rather than your prejudices? USA is a net oil exporter. North Dakota now produces more than Venezuela. It does import some crude
          https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6
          but then it exports a lot of refined products

          The US supports Saudi Arabia because its a counterweight to Iran, but that is a totally different matter

          • chrism56

             /  October 13, 2018

            So what you are saying Parti, is you won’t admit you were wrong but want to change the location of the goalposts.

        • In case nobody told you we are now the number one energy producer in the world, even on oil, we beat Saudi Arabia now, thanks to Donald Trump’s energy policies. We have a Reliance on a oil, but not on Reliance on Nations who produce it, because we’re one of them and we’re now the biggest. That no longer has to be nearly as big of a factor when it comes to decision-making on foreign policy.

          • Blazer

             /  October 13, 2018

            Trading of oil in petro(u.s)dollars however is vital to Americas economy and global supremacy.

          • PartisanZ

             /  October 13, 2018

            Jack Sutter … And U.S. decision-making on foreign policy never has an eye on the future, right?

            Chrism56, all of this stuff is interrelated because everything is …

          • Gezza

             /  October 13, 2018

            So if you don’t need their oil any more wtf are you even doing in the Middle East nowadays? It’s obviously got nothing to do with human rights. You guys have screwed the place up royally more than anybody else.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 13, 2018

              That may be debatable Gezza … The British Empire screwed the place up Royally as well, both before and concurrently with the Americans …

            • So what? You expect me to feel bad about that or apologize or something? I don’t, and no apology will be forthcoming. We have interests over there & enemies that require constant attention. Thats why we’re there; not that I always agree, in fact I’d prefer less middle eastern presence, BUT, it’s not like we don’t have several justified reasons roe the presence we DO currently maintain there.

            • Gezza

               /  October 13, 2018

              You’ve got enemies over there because you’re over there. It might as well be a different bloody planet there. What are the justified reasons for the presence you DO currently maintain there? If you weren’t there & you hadn’t funded them in Afghanistan to get the Russians and then dropped them like hot potatoes when they left, you wouldn’t have had the bloody jihadis you’ve got. They’re donkey’s years away from having anything like a Western democracy; you can’t force it on them – you tried that.

            • Gezza

               /  October 13, 2018

              That may be debatable Gezza … The British Empire screwed the place up Royally as well, both before and concurrently with the Americans …

              The British and the French divided it up when they occupied it after the Turks collapsed at the end. They drew lines on maps that suited them somehow, which is how you’ve ended up with some of these multi-ethnic multi-sect countries. The problems since then have been the only stable forms of government have been brutal dicatorships that keep the lid on the various religious fundamentalist and sectarian attempts to gain autonomy. When you try to create a democracy the groups most well-organised and cohesive tend to be religious fundamentalists. How are you going to fix that problem? Answer: by supporting one or other brutal dictatorship?

    • Gezza

       /  October 13, 2018

      He wasn’t an American, he was an American resident according to Al Jazeera.

      I covered this point in World View earlier. Apart from the fact the Saudis have been accommodating to America in the past and are now a key part of their attempts to build an anti-Iran alliance with the Israeli apartheid state – the US want Saudi money. The gen pop, however, has never really been that happy with the Saudis since 911 because the regime’s mudddy hands were inadvertantly involved all over the place – not least with funding some of the jihadis even if indirectly.
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      US President Donald Trump has implied that Jamal Khashoggi, the missing journalist, has been murdered, saying it “certainly doesn’t look like he’s around”, but said he would not cut arms sales to Saudi Arabia even if the kingdom was responsible for Khashoggi’s death.

      The US president suggested he did not believe Saudi Arabia’s claim that Khashoggi had safely left its consulate in Istanbul before he disappeared more than a week ago. “He went in, and it doesn’t look like he came out. It certainly doesn’t look like he’s around,” Trump told Fox News.

      But Trump said he would not scale back US$110 billion (NZ$168b) in US arms sales to Saudi Arabia even if it was proved that the kingdom had murdered Khashoggi, who regularly criticised the Saudi government.

      “I would not be in favour of stopping a country from spending $110 billion, which is an all-time record, and letting Russia have that money and letting China have that money,” Trump said. “What good does that do us? There are other things we could do.”
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      The big problem this time round is that the Saudis have murdered an American resident inside a consulate in another country and been exposed doing it. No country can allow such an outrage to be perpetuated inside their borders, notwithstanding that embassies are regarded as the territory of the foreign state concerned. And no country can be seen to condone it.

      As well, Turkey has been suffering severe economic pain from the punishment inflicted on them by Trump for detaining that fundie pastor they’ve just released – who had contacts with organisations deemed terrorists in Turkey.

      As well both Turkey & Iran have come to the aid of Qatar helping them bypass the blockade the Saudis & Emiratis engineered, and Turkey & Iran are both significant players with Russia in the cleanup currently going on under Russian supervision in Syria.

      According to AlJaz there were reportedly secret negotiations going on and the release of this pastor was due to happen anyway, but now the Saudi regime has revealed itself to be what it is in spectacular fashion, no doubt there is a great deal of negotiations going on between the US and Turkey behind the scenes as Turkey makes a play to increase its own legitimacy as a power to be acknowledged in the region.

  2. sorethumb

     /  October 13, 2018

    Nothing compared to Parihaka.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 13, 2018

      You see Jack … “talk to text” is not a requirement for sometime evil …

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 13, 2018

    Deliberate killing via treachery of a non-combatant in a foreign country while protected by diplomatic immunity is not something the world can or will ignore.

    The question Trump will have to resolve is not whether to take Saudi money but whether he wants these scumbags to have US weapons. He’ll have to think hard about what America First means for that.

    • Gezza

       /  October 13, 2018

      He’s already said, publicly he wants these scumbags to have US$110 billion worth of US weapons because he doesn’t want Russia or China to get their business instead, Al. That’s money and jobs. Take that out of the mix and who else can he sell them to? China maybe, but Russia probably can’t afford them.

      And he’s got it in for China. The beggars would probably figure out how to produce F-35’s more cheaply & start flogging them off in competition – as soon as the yanks have ironed all the bugs out. I think a lot of them are grounded again some fuel pipe problem this time I think I read on Aljaz the other day.

      The UK can’t afford them. Germany can’t even keep its choppers flying. Israel’s probably got more than they need by now. The US has obviously got more than they need now. Every other country is probably gonna be crippled by the tariffs on them. T

      Besides, the US Presidents are the world’s biggest arms dealers & the Saudi deal is a record-setter. You know how he is about organising deal of the century record-breaking biggest bestest everythings. What’s a blimmin Arab who was writing for the WaPo worth to him? Certainly not US$110 billion.

      • Pink David

         /  October 13, 2018

        “What’s a blimmin Arab who was writing for the WaPo worth to him? Certainly not US$110 billion.”

        Given he was no friend of the US, I doubt he would be worth even a single billion. The Us has been very clear in which side of this Islamic civil war they are on.

        • Gezza

           /  October 13, 2018

          Yes. They’re on the Sunnis’ side. It’s most peculiar. The ones who attacked them on 911 were Sunnis, and the ones who are attacking them now – wherever they’re being attacked – are generally Sunnis, probably Salafists or Wahabbis – the Saudis’ religion. So it must be their money they like, because it probably ought not to be their religion, however attractive it might be at the moment to Jared.

          • PartisanZ

             /  October 13, 2018

            But Gezza … Isn’t it a righteous ‘Crusade’?

        • PartisanZ

           /  October 13, 2018

          Really? You mean whichever side makes them the most money while retaining the most influence … ?

          The U.S. Imperialist side.

          • Pink David

             /  October 13, 2018

            Which side did you think they were going to be on exactly? They don’t have the luxury of sitting on the fence.

            • Gezza

               /  October 13, 2018

              If they packed up the troops and bases and went home, they would have.
              Then the Arabs could sort their own shit out without so much bloody interference. Like the US did in its civil war.

            • Pink David

               /  October 13, 2018

              “If they packed up the troops and bases and went home, they would have.”

              Even if they did that, the outcome would still pull them in. Neutral is only an option for countries like Bulgaria, it’s not an option when you are the worlds most powerful nation.

            • Gezza

               /  October 13, 2018

              No, I don’t expect you to feel bad. I expect you to feel American and like you’re making some kind of difference – but the only difference it’s made of any note has been bloody ISIS and hordes of Muslim refugees pouring into Europe. Iraq’s a fecking destroyed mess and the US isn’t going to pay to be rebuild the place. Libya is a shit heap Christ knows who’s in charge of what there. Afghanistan has defeated you for 17 years and made the people’s lives more of a misery than it was before you went in and made it ready for democracy. Your lot are farting about in places you don’t understand killing people and creating situations that produce only more enemies for you. Your “interests” are proving fatal to too many people in other countries. Can’t you get more interested in your own country and leave others to sort themselves out?

            • Gezza

               /  October 13, 2018

              That went in the wrong place. Just ignore. It’s not like Jack’s going to be interested.