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14 October 2018

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  1. robertguyton

     /  October 14, 2018

    Alan Wilkinson on Climate Change
    “People look out the window and figure things are not too bad. They are not wrong. The scary evidence just isn’t there.”
    That depends upon where in the world “the window” is. The location of Alan’s window, and Alan himself, can’t be regarded as typical. Elsewhere in parts of the world that are being hammered or fried as a result of climate change, the view “out the window” is scary.

    • chrism56

       /  October 14, 2018

      You are being fact free swivel eyed loon again Robert. Even the IP{CC (Read the IPCC AR5 WG1) say that they can’t detect a change in the frequency or severity of extreme events. Or are they climate deniers as well? The actual data collected shows this. Look at the cyclone data I posted yesterday.
      There have always been natural disasters – even during the Little Ice Age when the CO2 levels were low. They just killed a lot more people then but people only read about them weeks later. All there is now is wall to wall TV shots of every natural disaster and people intoning it was climate change that did this. It is only gullible people that believe the new age prophets.

      • chrism56

         /  October 14, 2018

        And here is what NOAA has to say on the hurricane/ cyclone subject
        https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
        Note there is a big difference between historical data and model projections. Especially when models can’t even hindcast.

      • Corky

         /  October 14, 2018

        ”Elsewhere in parts of the world that are being hammered or fried as a result of climate change, the view “out the window” is scary.”

        Let’s do some remedial grammar:

        Elsewhere in parts of the world that are being hammered and destroyed as a result of increase earthquake activity, the view out the window is ”scary.”

        Where the the earthquake alarmists?

        • Corky

           /  October 14, 2018

          Where are the earhquake alarmists?

        • Corky

           /  October 14, 2018

          That’s a little weird. Roberts post changed.

          • robertguyton

             /  October 14, 2018

            Try eating something, Corky. Or loosen your neck-tie.

            • Corky

               /  October 14, 2018

              Well, you may be right, Robert. But..so did the copy and past from your post into mine..except someone forgot to remove the exclamation mark from scary. When I get time I will check the Wayback Machine.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 14, 2018

          Nothing looks sillier than someone ‘correcting’ something that was correct, and making it incorrect by doing so, especially when the corrector’s grammar and punctuation skills are extremely limited.

      • robertguyton

         /  October 14, 2018

        Hardly necessary to respond to such a reasonable comment from me with a personal insult, chrism56.

        • chrism56

           /  October 14, 2018

          Your comment wasn’t reasonable as you had no facts to back it up, just your feelings. And if you are scared of what is being shown on TV somewhere else, you really do need help.

          • robertguyton

             /  October 14, 2018

            It was opinion, chrism56. In my opinion, you are 62 or 63 years of age, too old to be as careless a thinker as you appear to be here.

            • chrism56

               /  October 14, 2018

              I notice Robert that you haven’t addressed the main case that natural disasters haven’t increased. Unless you can come up with something to refute the IPCC, you are just acting as a secondhand scaremonger – Your NZ’s Private Fraser.

            • robertguyton

               /  October 14, 2018

              I notice you haven’t explained why you resorted to personal insults.

            • chrism56

               /  October 14, 2018

              Oh you poor thing Robert – no one loves you. Have a concrete pill.
              You cannot complain about others’ behavior on the blog without the stench of hypocrisy. You regularly indulge in squirrel hunting or trolling as PG has pointed out. You are happy to throw around denier, deliberately chosen because of its connection with Holocaust denier.
              Well, as you said what goes around comes around. If you were a good blog denizen, then you would have a justifiable complaint. You ain’t so it isn’t.

            • robertguyton

               /  October 14, 2018

              Still unable to … explain…

            • chrism56

               /  October 14, 2018

              Just like you haven’t explained why you think the IPCC is wrong and extreme weather has increased. Only trouble is I am asking for the science, and you are doing the sulky teenager because I have hurt your feelings.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 14, 2018

      As Chris points out, Robert, you are not looking out the window, you are watching TV which has scoured the planet to find something scary to shout about.

      Go back to tending your fruit trees in peace.

      • If I look out my window every morning through winter in Dunedin I just don’t see the number or severity of frosts we used to get. Over the last five winters here frosts are rare. We had a few snowflakes in the air on Friday, but generally snow on the ground seems to be getting less common here, very little this year and last.

        Changes I also see out my window are daffodils coming up earlier (in late ‘winter’), rhododendrons flowering earlier.

        This is noticeable change. This is similar to other observations around the world.

        • See: Recent changes in freezing level heights in the Tropics with implications for the deglacierization of high mountain regions

          https://www.geo.umass.edu/climate/papers2/Bradley2009.pdf

          • robertguyton

             /  October 14, 2018

            Pete; why, do you think, do these folk cluster here, on your blog? Do they see it as a last refuge; a “safe space” for themselves and their (few) ilk? Do they know they’d be pilloried elsewhere for expressing their views? Have they already been hounded off other blogs (WO and KB excepted) for their eye-swivelling? (There ya go, chrism56, what goes around, comes around 🙂

            • I don’t question nor care why folk cluster here, I just welcome different views and diverse debate. I find that I often learn more from people I disagree with than those who have similar views.

            • robertguyton

               /  October 14, 2018

              What are you learning from the deniers, Pete? You clearly recognise that AGW is real and troubling; what can be gained from reading the desperate scratchings in the sand made by the claws of ostriches?

            • Corky

               /  October 14, 2018

              Seems like a little self disclosure there, Robert. Maybe a Freudian slip?

              ”What are you learning from the deniers, Pete?”

              Maybe that the science isn’t settled either way….except for Green Zealots like you.

            • That “that the science isn’t settled either way” is not a reason to not do science or taken notice of what science has been done already.

              The science isn’t settled on whether there is such a thing as god or gods, or whether men land on the moon, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a distinct lack of scientific evidence for the former and compelling scientific evidence for the latter.

            • Corky

               /  October 14, 2018

              Er, pardon my poor grammar, Pete. The Green Zealot I refer to is Robert.

            • robertguyton

               /  October 14, 2018

              “Er, pardon my poor grammar, Pete. The Green Zealot I defer to is Robert.”
              Fixed.

            • Corky

               /  October 14, 2018

              Most magnanimous of you, Robert. While I think Pete already knew whom I was referring to, it always pays to be clear.

              And no, I don’t defer to you any more than I would a pile of horse manure
              piled uo outside your local Green Party HQ.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  October 14, 2018

          But is it scary? And is it really consistent? Up here this winter started earlier and colder than “usual” but was much drier in early spring than normal. It’s common ground the world is gently warming but there are big fluctuations around that and it has been going on generally since the last ice age and more steadily for the past 150 years.

      • robertguyton

         /  October 14, 2018

        Don’t.Have.TV.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  October 14, 2018

          But you have the internet which just rebroadcasts TV in a multitude of ways.

          • robertguyton

             /  October 14, 2018

            You mean, the internet that you’re using…right…now…that internet??
            You don’t read it…Oh! I see!

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 14, 2018

              I also look out the window and bring my brain to the party, Robert. I don’t assume that a hurricane in Florida is typical of the world’s weather. I’ve also noted that a typhoon in Hong Kong was equivalent to an ordinary afternoon breeze in Welly and that an inch of rain in Adelaide is a flood event whereas here it is just a passing shower.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 14, 2018

      … and many a ‘window’ that doesn’t have glass in it looks out over mountainous seas of garbage … often imported Western waste …

      The more I think about it, the more I reckon using ‘Climate Change’ to redistribute the world’s income more fairly is a bloody good idea …

      Righties and Westerners in general please note my use of the words “more fairly” … Our profound privilege is not at risk …

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 14, 2018

        Climate alarmism does the opposite by increasing costs that the affluent can afford and the poor cannot.

        • PartisanZ

           /  October 14, 2018

          And the poor cannot because the affluent have created and the climate problems and the poor …

  2. Corky

     /  October 14, 2018

    Bad Vibes.

    Went to an open home yesterday. It was a great experience watching the different levels of perception and intuition people have.

    I didn’t like the home from the minute I pulled up with my Cuzzie. I could feel the bad vibes before we even entered the property. Even though the house was less than ten years old and was very well constructed, it reeked of old age.

    Inside were three couples milling around. The vibes were bad enough in the kitchen area, but when we went down the hall things became overpowering. One guy came out of a bedroom and gushed to his wife it was their dream home. I heard a women say the place was rather cold..another women with her concurred..I went down to the master bedroom and stood in the doorway scanning the room.. That seemed to be the nexus of said bad vibes. I could see nothing out of the ordinary until near the bed was a box with what looked like the top of a statue popping out. On closer inspection the box had a statue of the Buddha surrounded by dharma and tantric artefacts. It was clear from the ingrained incense marks at the base of the Buddha that he was well worshipped. However, the artefacts gave a hint that a debased eclectic form of this religion was worshipped. Some Indian dairies will have such religious icons discretely drawn on the door frame leading into their premises.

    A lady came up beside me and asked if I felt anything. I said I did. She said the place was evil. I agreed.

    On our way out we passed what I assume was the real estate agent talking to a group of Chinese people. They could hardly speak English. ” Horry house,” one was saying.. ”No good luck” another said. The real estate lady looked confused. I interjected and said I think they mean the house has a bad vibes and poor Feng shui. Much nodding of heads when they heard the words Feng shui. The real estate ladies confusion continued…what’s Feng shui she asked? What ignorance I thought to myself.

    In the the car my Cuzzie asked me what all this ”bad vibe” bullshit talk was about.

  3. NOEL

     /  October 14, 2018

    I rekon there’s a few Kiwis out there who believe something needs to be done. But why should they make all the sacrifices zero carbon demand when it will havei little impact if the major polluting countries don’t change?

  4. Corky

     /  October 14, 2018

    Honestly..does anyone fucking care? I am always berated about using physical force as a punishment. Well, this mother did. It stopped a snowflake bully in her tracks after two years of abuse. I was about to commend the judge for not convicting the mother of assault. But on second thoughts it once again shows our justice system can’t get its head around the concept of self defence. This mother came to her daughters rescue. In some American states she could have shot the bully .

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12140713

    Here’s another bully who received the type of anti-bully therapy the above mother used so effectively. You can just see the bullies faces laughing..he was probably thinking about the fun he was going to have..until he became confused and semi conscious. 😄😄😄

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 14, 2018

      The answer to the first sentence is ‘No.’

  5. Corky

     /  October 14, 2018

    Wow! Rightie sheila nails it.

  6. Corky

     /  October 14, 2018

    Bad news for Judge Judy fans..she has probably signed her final contract to finish off her show around 2020.

    I say bad news because it’s rare to find someone who can teach people how to think rationally and develop a bs detector.

  7. Conspiratoor

     /  October 14, 2018

    The drought has been broken in the Tron!!

    • Gezza

       /  October 14, 2018

      From the article:
      “WHO ARE THE KING COBRAS?

      New Zealand’s oldest gang, formed by Samoan migrants in Ponsonby, Auckland in the 1950s. They retain primarily Polynesian membership.

      Police seized thousands of dollars, gang patches and synthetic drugs during raids targeting the gang in Christchurch in November last year. Police said at the time they were newcomers to the city’s gang scene.

      In 2013, a King Cobra member was charged with the murder of 29-year-old Daniel Fifita Turner in West Auckland, who died after being shot in the chest. A second man, who tried to drag Turner into a car, was shot in the leg.

      In late 2013, four King Cobra members and associates were jailed for kidnapping and assaulting two Auckland men after a business arrangement turned sour. Joe Tie, Robert Logo, Ross Romana and Ofisa Kopelani were sentenced on multiple charges, including kidnapping, blackmail and wounding with intent.

      In 2003, three King Cobra members stabbed to death 15-year-old Michael Heremaia at a King Cobra tinnie house in Mangere. James Michael Leuluaiali’i, Ofisa Andrew Kopelani and Benjamin Red Tumahai received life sentences for stabbing and cutting their gangmate 37 times. They disagreed with the way the tinnie house was being run.

      Gang leaders have run drug rings from inside prison. In 2011, King Cobra gang leader Ulaiasi “Rocky” Pulete, already serving a 14-year sentence at Paremoremo, was convicted of conspiracy to supply methamphetamine.”

      • Corky

         /  October 14, 2018

        How ironic they are in Canterbury. Causing trouble at a police check point apparently.