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  1. PartisanZ

     /  October 17, 2018

    ‘National put Chinese businessman up for Queen’s Birthday honour’ – NZHeraldo

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12143435

    • robertguyton

       /  October 17, 2018

      “Explain the primary role of the United Front Work in the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).

      The United Front Work Department of the CCP is an integral part of the Party structure, down to sometimes the lowest levels and coordinated at the very top by a United Front Leading Small Group initiated by Xi Jinping. The Department works to reach out, represent, and guide key individuals and groups within both the PRC [People’s Republic of China] and greater China, including Chinese diasporas. The goals include to have all such groups accept CCP rule, endorse its legitimacy, and help achieve key Party aims. Because United Front Work has officially been extended to those who emigrated after 1979 as well as those Chinese studying abroad, some 50 million or more, United Front Work is now of direct relevance and sometimes concern to an increasing number of foreign governments, notably Australia, Zealand, Canada and the United States. United Front Work abroad is not limited to only these countries though.”

      https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/chinas-united-front-work-propaganda-as-policy/

      • PartisanZ

         /  October 17, 2018

        ‘Kate Hawkesby: Turns out Jami-Lee Ross wasn’t ‘sick’ at all, just plotting’ – Heraldo

        “I actually find myself feeling sorry for the National Party, and sorry for Simon Bridges.”

        Jeeeeezus Kate, I wouldn’t go that far! “Almost” maybe …. but surely not “actually” …?

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12143691

        I feel a mixture of anticipation, regret and burgeoning anger … if I am representative in any way of the people of Aotearoa New Zealand … who are about to find out the true extent of our ‘SALE’ to Chinese interests …

        I’m looking forward to finding out –

        – What part did Tindall and The Big RED Sheds play in this?
        – What are $2 Shops really a ‘front’ for?
        – The true ‘dealings’ of SkyCity?
        – Has the corporatization of our Education system been worth the income?
        – Why didn’t we just ‘Lease’ it all to them rather than sell it?
        – Is there any provision for prosecuting the “used car salespeople” posing as politicians who have sold us out?

        So yeah … mostly anticipation …

        • PartisanZ

           /  October 17, 2018

          I suppose you would “actually feel sorry for them”, eh Kate, if you’d invested so much of your career in defending and justifying them?

          What’s Mikey saying this morning?

          Come in Lurcher?

          • lurcher1948

             /  October 17, 2018

            If a rich chinaman can get an “order of merit” for $100K, how much would an old white pakeha, have to pay to get a knighthood,just asking for a friend so he can start a(give a little)and who in National do i give this bribe/donation to..or do you need to be asian,im white is that a problem

            • Corky

               /  October 17, 2018

              How much would an old white pakeha, have to pay to get a knighthood?

              Why, nothing,Lurchy. Old, stale and white makes you a sitter for such an honour provided you have money and success.

              I would suggest you tell your friend to stick with bingo. 😄😄😄

              However, if your friend is really desperate to big note with a knighthood, try Cobb&Co, Tauranga ,on a Thursday night. You will be given a special menu you can either afford or not. Great cheese cake by the way. However, staff become offended if you ask for cream on top.
              Apparently that is ”so provincial.”

        • Blazer

           /  October 17, 2018

          London is the biggest money laundering real estate market in the world.
          But Auckland has been pretty handy for some time.

        • Corky

           /  October 17, 2018

          I heard Mikey interview Paula this morning. In contrast to Bridges, Paula handled the interview with consummate ease. Anyone not cognizant with NZ politics if asked to listen to these two talk and guess which one was the leader , would in my opinion, pick Paula.

          • Blazer

             /  October 17, 2018

            make my day…please make her leader.She represents everything wrong with…people.

            • Corky

               /  October 17, 2018

              Make your day? No, make my day. Jacinda needs to be put in her place. Only another women can do that.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 17, 2018

              Not one who can’t smile …

            • Corky

               /  October 17, 2018

              Gravitas, Parti old chap. What has National to smile about at the moment? But, according to Maggie Barry, the National caucus had Pizza and Champagne last night to celebrate JLR fugging off. National even bring class to simple things in life like Pizza.

            • Blazer

               /  October 17, 2018

              who is this?looks familiar…

            • Zedd

               /  October 17, 2018

              hey hey paula.. come on down, there is a seat to warm

            • Zedd

               /  October 17, 2018

              some one on ZB said that paula was slowly morphing into Bishp Tamaki
              I dont see it… but watch out for Anna Reksia

            • lurcher1948

               /  October 17, 2018

              POOR OLD Corky did i say POOR, imagine supporting the night of the long knives, in the chinese national party,abusing us every day and smiling why he does it,

          • PartisanZ

             /  October 17, 2018

            Tau toko that Blazer …

            National are toast ….

            National under Paula are burnt toast!

            • Corky

               /  October 17, 2018

              In your dreams, Parti. National may be taking their lumps at the moment, but once a new leader is in place..well, you know the well worn story…
              National will climb to 18, 000 feet, and come in hard to Stuka Labour…again.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 17, 2018

              Horrendously poor analogy Corky … You’re obviously off balance and your guard’s down … (to use typically violent allusions you seem to love) …

              In the age of jets and drones, you’re talking about a screaming propeller-driven, two-seater dive-bomber with swastikas painted all over it …

            • Corky

               /  October 17, 2018

              Yes,very slow. Cannon fodder for our fighters even in WW2. However, times have change. Everything is so much faster. Flash this, flash that. So flash in fact they would over shoot the Stuka because of their stall speed.

              You are right about the swastikas. That would need to be changed to our glorious National logo…otherwise they may be mistaken for a Labour Party drone.

          • Blazer

             /  October 17, 2018

            Maggie said…’National MP Maggie Barry told Newstalk ZB the caucus was happy to see the back of Ross.

            “Frankly nobody is interested in him anymore and we are glad to see him gone.”

            She said the party was in good shape and moving on.

            “We had pizza and a few bevvies in the caucus room and the feeling was lighthearted and relieved.”

            bevvies is not Champagne ..Corky.

            • Corky

               /  October 17, 2018

              Please allow for artistic license and frivolity, Blazer. Concepts you are well acquainted with.

              You must have it bad to scurry off and check up on the facts. Leave that type of prattishness for Kitty. Lord knows, she needs some type of recognition.😄

              However, I’m right. National only drink Champagne in the caucus room. And you can’t prove otherwise.( I’m keeping with the current trend).

              ”Bevvy
              Noun INFORMAL•BRITISH
              Plural noun: bevvies
              An alcoholic drink.”

              I’m down ticking you for feralness.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  October 17, 2018

      2 National MP’s, neither of whom are invloved in the JLR allegations and…one Labour MP (Phil Goff) nominated him actually.
      A bit of a “shock horror” non-story so typical of the Herald these days.
      Jacinda, a PM, was the one who signed off on the honour being given.

      • Blazer

         /  October 17, 2018

        as you know the P.M just rubber stamps those put forward.

        Goff is no longer Labour..hes a Blair clone.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  October 17, 2018

          • Corky

             /  October 17, 2018

            What the…what?!! I smell corruption.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 17, 2018

              Yes indeed … Context is everything …

              A photo op rather than a political party donation op …

          • Blazer

             /  October 17, 2018

            whats the context?Looks like Chinese New Year 2015.

    • Zedd

       /  October 17, 2018

      all the way with ray.. lets do it

  2. David

     /  October 17, 2018

    Interesting day in the US yesterday with Elizabeth Warren probably torpedoed her 2020 presidential run. Trump,s constant niggles at her claim to be part native american when it suited her and dropping it when it didnt has forced “Pocahontas” into getting a DNA test and she came up possibly 1/1024th American Indian which is less than the average American. Also it turns out the comparison DNA was sourced from a Columbian and a Peruvian rather than a native American because they couldnt find one.
    She spun this as proof she was what she claimed and supported by a well produced home video and the support of her local Boston Globe vindicating her…and then they did the maths and some basic research and corrected their story no less than 4 times over the day. The Cherokee Indian people piled in and gave her a serve, Democrat strategists have their head in their hands.
    Ironically its the left who get upset at cultural appropriation if you turn up to a fancy dress party all squaw looking, Elizabeth Warren the great Democrat hope for the lefty SJWs on campus and wimmins heroine appropriated a whole new race.
    Trumps reaction will no doubt be quite humorous and unpresidential.

  3. Blazer

     /  October 17, 2018

    CCP HQ Beijing…

    how are tings in NZ comrade?

    Velly,velly good,we do not need sleeper cell to infiltrate politic there…just wave cash and dogs come…running.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12143435

    • David

       /  October 17, 2018

      I am very uncomfortable with how cosy National got with the Chinese money, Labour were just as bad in Mike Williams era and now in power will benefit again. I just dont like it.

      • Blazer

         /  October 17, 2018

        the blue ‘comrades’ are addicted to chinese money…even after politics..

        $$$$ their sole raison d’etre’.-Shipley,Brash,Key,Collins,Bridges -NZ 4 Sale.

        • PartisanZ

           /  October 17, 2018

          It really is Chris Trotter’s ‘Power & Wealth’ versus ‘Fairness & Decency’ …

          IT REALLY IS!

          It’ll be interesting to see if anybody blames Rogered Douglas? Or perhaps who first blames him?

          Regardless, National’s gonna wear most of this.

          I sincerely hope it transpires that Labour exploited Chinese money whereas Chinese money exploited National …

          Make my decade! Nah … Make my millenium!

  4. David

     /  October 17, 2018

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-threatens-lawsuit-against-horseface-stormy-daniels-3rd-rate-lawyer-michael-avenatti-after-ruling-in-his-favor

    What can you do but laugh, we have a president labelling a porn star “horseface” her retorting about the size of his appendage and reference to bestiality and her lawyer spraying abuse all over the place.
    Avenatti has so far cost Stormy her original hush payment she has to give back to Trumps estranged lawyer Michael Cohen and now she is up for Trumps legal fees and the basis for suing him was completely preposterous. Avenatti, widely credited for assisting Kavenaugh rise to the bench with crazy outlandish claims strikes again this time as a motivator for the Republicans to get out and vote in the mid terms. I hope he gets the Dems nomination in 2020 because the debates would be just amazing, perhaps Stormy could moderate seeing as she knows them both so well.

    • Gezza

       /  October 17, 2018

      Possibly depends to some extent on what bs Trump accepts from the Saudis over the Khashoggi problem & what he does. Aljaz tv said this morning Khashoggi is top trending on Twitter & by far the bulk of the interest is in the USA.

      • David

         /  October 17, 2018

        I am guessing accidental death under “interrogation” and some relatively meaningless temporary sanctions that dont disturb arms sales or oil flow.
        There is a massive amount of pressure on the Americans to do something why not the Europeans who are far more nakedly self interested than America.

        • Gezza

           /  October 17, 2018

          They’re busy with Brexit I guess. Besides, this impacts Trump politically more than them becos of Haley’s hidden genius Kushner who made the Saudis the numero uno Trump relationship declaration and 1st overseas visit. And becos Trump might have “influenced people” in Europe but he probably hasn’t “won friends”.

    • Griff.

       /  October 17, 2018

      Yess
      Trump paid 120,000 to do the deed with a horse face porn star.
      What a loser.

      • MaureenW

         /  October 17, 2018

        But he’s getting a refund – may even double his money.

      • Griff.

         /  October 17, 2018

        He would still be a loser if he done it for free
        Getting paid is even worse.
        Trump the fluffer.

    • MaureenW

       /  October 17, 2018

      Oh sorry, posted on this above, hadn’t seen you’d already done so

  5. Corky

     /  October 17, 2018

    I heard a commentator on the news say the motto of the Saudi Secret Police is: ”a homeland not protected is a homeland you don’t deserve to live in.”

    Wow, the West wouldn’t have a clue what that means.

    Meanwhile our offer to take more refugees from Australia may be back on the table. Let’s hope it’s just an election ploy by the Aussie government.

    • I would far far rather live in the protection provided by New Zealand than that provided by Saudi Arabia. I don’t want to go near the Middle East.

      • Corky

         /  October 17, 2018

        Me neither. But don’t you agree we need that type of mindset, Pete? Technology and the desperation of other nations for natural resources will eventually neutralise our ”moat” defence.

        In fact Indonesia could be knocking on your door by 5pm today if they wanted.

        • Corky

           /  October 17, 2018

          Meanwhile Muslims in Australia are pushing for a Bill Of Rights legislation to protect religions freedoms.

          Australian Muslim Population 604,200 people, or 2.6% of the population as of 2016.

          Right on cue with how Muslim populations act as their population grows.

  6. Missy

     /  October 17, 2018

    I am on my way home after the world premiere of Peter Jackson’s new movie They Shall Not Grow Old at the BFI film festival. It is a powerful film that really gives a new perspective on WWI. If you get the chance to see it then I highly recommend it.

  7. phantom snowflake

     /  October 17, 2018

    Is Te Rangikaiwhiria Kemara the new Nostradamus??

    Rangi Kemara
    ‏ @Te_Taipo
    A national MP will resign shortly for family reasons.
    5:42 PM – 23 Aug 2018

    • Missy

       /  October 17, 2018

      I don’t think you have to be Nostradamus to make that prediction!

      • Corky

         /  October 17, 2018

        Or Old Mother Shipton in your neck of the woods, Missy.

    • PDB

       /  October 17, 2018

      I doubt it as so far no National MP after that date has resigned for family reasons…

  8. David

     /  October 17, 2018

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12143689

    Its ridiculous, have a look at the photo and on what possible level is this even remotely fair for women. Men and Women are different biologically and there is no way of denying it because of science. The end game for these fools is god knows what but if they cared anything for women they would halt this nonsense and the administrators are obviously scared stiff to properly address this issue..why have seperate womens and mens classes at all.

  9. Zedd

     /  October 17, 2018

    enjoy while smokin’

  10. what happened to “Med-cannabis in 100 days ?’
    they still haven’t had second reading.. nearly 365 days !

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 17, 2018

      There’s a grow factory like that waiting to go in Auckland I believe …

      Just waiting for the corporate elites to tell the government what to do …

  11. Gezza

     /  October 17, 2018

    Kweschun Toyme now.
    Probably be boring, in comparison to the other show…

  12. Corky

     /  October 17, 2018

    Rt Honorable Andrew Little:

    Mr Speaker, will the Leader of The Opposition stand down while policed investigate issues raised by JLR?

    Rt Honorable Simon Bridges.

    Mr Speaker, no!

    No points for guessing the next question.😃

  13. Zedd

     /  October 17, 2018

    I just cant stop laughing at Natls ‘new found’ care for the ‘under-privileged’..

    I doubt most would know how to spell it, if it wasn’t in some glossy brochure, with a Big Blue N on the front…. in the pocket of a BOSS suit

    • Zedd

       /  October 17, 2018

      “….’We really CARE’ about the homeless & those living in cars & garages.. struggling to feed out tamariki & keeping warm” after 9 looooong years of creating most of this !

      after 1 year:

      $75/week extra for working families
      winter heating pymt
      increase in public transport
      *Lets do this 🙂

      • Zedd

         /  October 17, 2018

        Your a TOTAL JOKE Natl !

        • Zedd

           /  October 17, 2018

          btw; your A points the opposite way from your nose

      • PDB

         /  October 17, 2018

        Let’s not do this!

        The Guardian: “Jacinda Ardern pledges shelter for all homeless people within four weeks”

        “No one should be sleeping in a car this winter,” said Twyford. “Absolutely,” seconded Ardern. “No one”.”

        The reality, just in volunteer observations in Auckland alone;

        NZHerald: “Goff said the latest data, collected by volunteers walking the streets of Auckland who counted 179 people sleeping rough and 157 sleeping in cars”.

        • Zedd

           /  October 17, 2018

          ‘Let’s not do this!’ sez PDB

          Lets not do what ?
          Run the country for ALL NZers ??
          … dont be silly.. you tories would all being having total breakdowns, not just JLR 😀

          • PDB

             /  October 17, 2018

            When was running the country in favour of Winston running the country “for all NZers”?

  14. Zedd

     /  October 17, 2018

    I see that Natl.. on Mbrs day have got 2nd reading of ‘Lets increase penalties for the Synthetics’… they said were ‘low risk’ & even legalised for a while, but not the herbz

    Now they are putting the TOUGH on DRUGS B-S on this !

    ‘But you cant fool all the people all the time’… A Lincoln said that

    “CUT The Crap ?”.. i said that

    stopignoringtheelephantintheroom

  15. PartisanZ

     /  October 17, 2018

    OMG!!! … Our very landscape is under threat … our spectacular mountains … beautiful beaches and pohutukawa trees … and our livestock … our picturesque sheep … our endangered Kiwi bird is ‘endangered’ … all of them in the grave danger of having a new codified Constitution thrust upon them …

    And such an exhaustive list of protagonists, accomplices and shadowy figures ‘behind the scenes’ …. Who ISN’T part of this conspiracy?

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