Vindictive destructive politics

I’m not going to get into where Simon Bridges or the National Party stands on the issue of donations at this stage – there is still a lack of solid evidence, and the police are looking into it after a visit from Jami-Lee Ross today.

But the overriding sense I get from what Ross has done today is how vindictive, despicable and destructive he appears to be already, with more promised.

‘Dirty Politics’ haas been mentioned, and alongside the apparent involvement of Simon Lusk and the actions of Ross that’s how this looks – an orchestrated assault on Bridges and the National Party.

Ross seems to be trying to claim some moral high ground (after having been involved in what he alleges against Bridges), but his methods and his breach of trust seems to be substantial.

And he seems intent on continuing to keep destroying the party that gave him a political career.

If there genuinely has been corruption and illegal practices in the party then I have no problem with it being exposed, but the way Ross is doing it looks to be as damaging as he can possibly make it.

Does he realise exactly what he is doing? Is he being used by Lusk to split the National party apart? That seems to be the aim.

 

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  1. PDB

     /  October 17, 2018

    The whole donations thing seems to be an ‘in’ to allow more personal smearing of Bridges by Ross who started with the poor travel cost hit-job and has moved onto releasing private conversations where Bridges talks about certain MPs he doesn’t rate and list makeup decisions that speak matter of factly about placement of Indians and Chinese list candidates.

    Lusk being involved with Ross seems to complete the picture.

    I don’t rate Bridges, and I think he will be rolled prior to the next election as he doesn’t appeal to most, but on what we know thus far he deserves better than what Ross is dishing out.

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  2. Blazer

     /  October 17, 2018

    National plumbed new depths in dirty politics and now they’re rewriting the book on internal party intrigue.

    Shows the virtue and ethics of the blue mob.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 17, 2018

      No, it shows what one member is like.

      Do you think that everyone in Labour approves of underage drinkers being left with an open bar and no adults around ?

      Or of the the PM using Air Force planes as taxis at a cost of $100,000 to the taxpayer and charging the taxpayer to have vanity photos taken in the US?

      Or of MPs ripping off would-be immigrants and using them as free labour?

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      • Strong For Life

         /  October 17, 2018

        You left out Minister assaulting a staff member, criminal offence, but just demoted and keeps job. Clare Curran similar situation.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 17, 2018

          Those, too 😀

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 17, 2018

          Yeah, but do you get the feeling there’s something inexplicably more stained, tainted and smelly about this particular situation?

          For some reason I can’t explain this one’s like that X-Factor contestant who totally wows the judges, get’s a standing ovation and finally the Golden Buzzer from Simon (Cowell) …

          This is National’s Golden Shower … (Did I spell that correctly?) …

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      • duperez

         /  October 17, 2018

        What’s the thing about the “PM using Air Force planes as taxis at a cost of $100,000 to the taxpayer”? Is that sort of like John Key using an air force helicopter to ferry him to and from the V8 races so he could make it home in time to change for a black tie dinner? Or the other uses of the Air Force over time by politicians which came to light when Mark Mitchell had his ‘look at me thing’ about Ron Mark being ferried by the Air Force?

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        • Griff.

           /  October 17, 2018

          Meh
          The pilots have to do type hours.
          They fly them no matter…..there is a budget so many hours a year must be flown to keep them operational.
          Attacking the top ministers for using airforce time is just envy.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 18, 2018

          This was when she didn’t want to leave the baby for two days, so decided to have a plane used for her alone. There was no need for it, she could have gone with the others,

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    • PDB

       /  October 17, 2018

      I think you’ll find it was Labour that “plumbed new depths in dirty politics” hence why in that particular election they got their asses handed to them.

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      • Blazer

         /  October 17, 2018

        that must be why they are the Govt!Bol.

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        • PDB

           /  October 17, 2018

          Only after your mate Key had left…even then they needed the 2nd, 3rd and 4th place-getters to scrape together a coalition.

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          • Blazer

             /  October 17, 2018

            winners are grinners…Key is very astute ..he knows when to ..fold em..his legacy…ruined the Kiwi dream..and indebted youth.

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  3. Strong For Life

     /  October 17, 2018

    Ross is clearly deranged. His bitterness has blinded him and he is looking for revenge at any cost. There will be no winners from this unsavoury event but Ross will be the biggest loser of all. He is history, his career politician days are gone and he will have to work for a living.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 17, 2018

      Yup. Snake in the grass. Viper in the nest.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 17, 2018

        In the bosom. Vipers are found in bosoms, where people unsuspectingly nurse them.

        Cuckoo in the nest.?

        Bats in the belfry,..

        Anyone who thinks that MPs DON’T work for a living should spend some time with one., They would very soon see that this is a fallacy. There are odd ones who think that it’s an easy ride, but they tend to be one term wonders when they find out their mistake. I have known a lot of MPs and can only think of one who was obviously in it as an ego trip; she was a rather arrogant woman and only did one term while the other MPs did her work for her, the selfish, lazy tart. I was in a lift with her once, and she gave me that insulting down-up-down look before she turned her back and began talking to someone who was with her as if I was an unwelcome intruder.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 17, 2018

          Haven’t found any vipers in bosoms I’ve been acquainted with thank goodness. But I think I’ll leave it at that.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 17, 2018

            Vanity Fair begins with Miss Pinkerton saying that she has nursed a viper (Becky Sharp) in her bosom (a flat bosom, as I remember it)

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 17, 2018

            It would be a most unpleasant surprise, I must say.

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    • alloytoo

       /  October 17, 2018

      Who will employ him in this country?

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      • Blazer

         /  October 17, 2018

        the Labour Party.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 17, 2018

          Shit they’d have to be bloody careful in every meeting or encounter. Would need to get him to empty his pockets and attend any meetings in a security -cleared room in his undies (or worse). Might be best to employ two journalists to get the necessary deniability distance in case he shafts them next.

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          • Corky

             /  October 17, 2018

            I know you jest. But all political parties will be looking at this. A security-cleared room will definitely be on the cards, and I’m betting a revision of what can and cannot be said over the phone. The CIA have their dome room, basically a Faraday Cage along with a few other measures. That takes care of electronic communications. Next would come a hand held scanner and finally cellphones without the the clipper chip.

            A bit of a pain and expense. But given what National is going through…..?

            I believe the government caucus room is regularly swept for bugs.

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      • Lusk might give him a job as a replacement for Slater.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 17, 2018

          I would be seriously surprised if it came to the image painted of the CIA, as there is no real resemblance between the two. Why not a metal detector and one of those body image machines? Strip searching? CAT scans?

          It’s also surprising that the CIA makes these things public.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 17, 2018

      Strong For Life ……………. National CCPParty media release …?

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  4. Corky

     /  October 17, 2018

    One News was interesting: Jonsey pontificated. Paula went native with pukana eyes. Winston spoke sagely. Peter Dunn was trundled out looking very ancient. Simon did his best, which was nothing.

    We now know a Chinese aces an Indian. List MPs can be hopeless( huge revelation), and there is no proof of electoral wrong doing.

    But I’m betting the knives are being sharpened…and ethnic members of National may want their own caucus to counter supposed racism, and for support.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 17, 2018

      Well, in the audio I heard, the one sounding racist was Jami-Lee. Simon sounded more pragmatic, sensitive, and aware of the other considerations. He didn’t say anything racially derogatory.

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  5. Gezza

     /  October 17, 2018

    I was driving home trying to figure out whether the faux leopard skin suit was the right thing for Paula to wear or not when she carried out her mission to drop suggestions on tv that Jami-Lee’s been very a naughty boy away from home.

    Hopefully someone with some female fashion knowledge might advise on this.

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    • MaureenW

       /  October 17, 2018

      Leopard skin patterns only work on leopards (in my humble opinion).

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      • Blazer

         /  October 17, 2018

        I think she would look good in a sheepskin..she could then be mutton dressed up..as..

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    • Blazer

       /  October 17, 2018

      Bennett lookedalot healthier when she wasa fattie.

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      • Corky

         /  October 17, 2018

        Dressed down a little in a better trouser suit and I’m afraid she has the wood on Jacinda..starting with her modern hair cut compared with Jacinda’s lanky mess. She naturally has a better tan. And better makeup. Paula can easily look stately with a little coaching. Jacinda always looks like a harried mum who has just dropped the kids off at school.

        Sorry to burst your bubble…Blazer.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 17, 2018

          Actually, Jacinda’s got a new cut, I noticed on 1ewes tonight.
          It’s been shaped to fall around her cheeks, blending into still long at the sides and back.

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          • Gezza

             /  October 17, 2018

            Or maybe I spotted it at Question Time. Anyway, whatever, I think she’s got a new hairstyle.

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        • Blazer

           /  October 17, 2018

          the only bubble burst was bubbles Bennett…new improved Paula looks very unhealthy.

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      • MaureenW

         /  October 17, 2018

        Other than losing weight and getting a new hairdo, she seems to have had some other work done that has changed her look somewhat

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        • Corky

           /  October 17, 2018

          Like what, Maureen? She will no doubt need a skin tuck sooner or later.

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          • Blazer

             /  October 17, 2018

            Paula has no respect for privacy except her own…
            ‘Paula Bennett has broken the understanding that MPs do not refer to each other’s private lives. ‘

            Yet when it comes to her wild truckstop waitress days in Taupo…

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 17, 2018

      Gezza, it worked because it was simply cut and there wasn’t too much of the print, so it wasn’t dominating. I am not a fan of animal prints, but this one was all right.

      They can look like Bet Lynch (who put me off them for life) but they needn’t. With Paula Bennett’s hair, makeup and the plain blouse, this look worked for her. Less is more with animal print.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 17, 2018

        Righto. Thanks for that, Kitty. 👍

        I thought it gave her a ready-to-pounce, “means business” look, which in the circumstances was probably very appropriate, especially as I reckon she growled at Jami-Lee a few times.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 17, 2018

          It may have been an unconscious association 🙂

          But she looked nothing like Bet Lynch (shudders)

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  6. Tipene

     /  October 17, 2018

    The key question is yet to be answered: Who benefits?

    Answer: Whomever is funding the hit-job on Bridges.

    Everyone else is just useful idiots in the hit.

    Sun Tsu: “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting”.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 17, 2018

      Mmmm … vely intelesting idea …

      Big time political hitman job …

      Do you think it’s possible any political goof, foul-up or scandal is ever unplanned, like a series of minor blunders culminating in a major one … or just the result of sheer stupidity or egomania or whatever?

      Because to think not – to believe it’s all deviously planned and perfectly executed – is bit like believing that there’s no such thing as an accident …

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  7. Blazer

     /  October 17, 2018

    Mr Bridges..’Bridges said the $100,000 was seven donations from eight people.’

    then reaches for a ‘hat’…’Asked why he didn’t explain that yesterday, he said it’s “because I’m a lawyer”.

    and of course he didn’t really mean this..’ Bridges calling list MP Maureen Pugh “f***ing useless”.

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 17, 2018

    If that’s the only recording Ross has, he’s toast if Bridges sues.

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    • Blazer

       /  October 17, 2018

      Bridges won’t sue.The best is yet to..come.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 17, 2018

        National could take an injunction action against him to prevent further releases.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 17, 2018

          And this would do what for Bridges claim to be honest and have nothing to hide?

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          • Gezza

             /  October 17, 2018

            Have a think about it and get back to me.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  October 17, 2018

            Everyone has private conversations to protect and certsinly all politicians and political parties. There is nothing wrong with enforcing that against malicious and egregious harassment like Ross’s.

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            • Gezza

               /  October 18, 2018

              Actually the more I think about it, the more I think you might be on to something useful for Bridges. He’s being unfairly maligned from what I can see by someone whose own character has been shown to be very malicious. An injunction was a highly successful tactic in his deputy’s case. Even the rumours have disappeared and have never been able to be used to publicly damage her on an ongoing basis.

              Bridges could conceivably suffer less from a successful injunction application than from letting this Ratfink Ross do his worst. I can’t think of anyone who’d like to take Ross on as an employee. I never liked him but now I loathe they guy. I can’t say the same about Bridges. I think he’s naive & not smart or quick enuf to be the leader. But I don’t think he’s nasty and I don’t think he’s crooked.

              Bridges is finished as leader of the opposition regardless though, imo. I don’t know whether he’d want to stay in the game after this.

              I watched Finlayson tell a reporter he wasn’t bothered by what Bridges had said, that he was stepping down anyway; that he’d only come into politics to do a couple of things; he’s done them, he’s looking forward to getting out of the place, and he’s never coming back there. One of Parliament’s nastier pieces of work himself, from what I’ve heard of him.

    • Griff.

       /  October 17, 2018

      Gee Alan
      sues?
      Keeps the fud in the headlines for years.
      Bridges is toast as leader but could be a cabinet member in the future if he plays his cards right.
      Dragging this shite though the courts will destroy what political career he has ahead of him.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 17, 2018

        Might do the opposite if he can get Ross served with a suppression order in the process.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 17, 2018

          Alan they could possibly do all sorts of things but they are still left with the problem that, even though Bridges might pick up a few sympathy votes because Ross is such a totally un-self-aware arsehole, Simon’s feckin hopeless as LOTO, and that’s not going to change. He lacks what it takes to be a PM. Full stop. Goneburger. Just a timing question now. Ross is going to slaughter him and the party hierarchy.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  October 17, 2018

            I agree Bridges is sorely lacking but that is old news. I’m unconvinced that this schmozzle is shortening his tenure rather than maintaining it.

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            • Blazer

               /  October 17, 2018

              when you see Lusk involved you should understand…the push for 2020 is actually for..Mitchell the mercenary.

            • Gezza

               /  October 17, 2018

              I’m not saying it’ll shorten his tenure, just that it won’t change his prospects, which are poor. If this was Ross’s strongest bit of evidence he’s shot himself in the foot though. It looks and smells like entrapment and I suspect anything else that he leaks out will have that smell about it too.

            • Gezza

               /  October 17, 2018

              @ Blazer. Mitchell would be another crash and burn I think.

            • Blazer

               /  October 17, 2018

              Mitchell is relatively new..they can repackage him as a hero..police dog handler,’security contractor’…real man..right wing anti P.C champion ,hard on criminals,and a straight shooter..,..

              The Trump and right wing ,conservative surge against P.C ..’nonsense.

            • Gezza

               /  October 17, 2018

              He seems a bit slow on the uptake and he sounds a lot like Bridges at Question Time. Might pay a bit more attention to him now though. Knowing what his previous jobs were doesn’t tell us anything about whether he was actually any good at them.

            • Blazer

               /  October 17, 2018

              Mitchell became a millionaire ..courtesy of the War on Terror,.

        • Blazer

           /  October 17, 2018

          good thinking Al…:( never mind Crosby Textor…offer your ..services.

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    • MaureenW

       /  October 17, 2018

      Talk about a wrecking ball against Bridges though – what credibility will he have as Leader of National? Not that he has much cred anyway but perhaps his removal is the only goal? Agree with Gezza, he’s toast

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      • Blazer

         /  October 17, 2018

        so what position will Collins give Simon ..After the dust has ..settled?

        Collins will be a caretaker..b4 the next election.

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      • PDB

         /  October 17, 2018

        He was toast as soon as he was appointed.

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  9. PartisanZ

     /  October 17, 2018

    What politics ISN’T vindictive and destructive?

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  10. Tipene

     /  October 18, 2018

    Bridges has lost me on the apology about his comments pertaining to Maureen Pugh.

    To say “she’s f****n useless” in the cold hard reality of what was assumed at the time to be a private conversation with a mate, and then to whine “I didn’t really mean it, Maus – sorry about that” is just disingenuous, and shows a fundamental lack of courage of conviction, and the lack of a backbone.

    He did mean it, it’s probably true, he isn’t really sorry, and Pugh would not have genuinely accepted his apology, because whilst reportedly being incompetent, she probably isn’t stupid.

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