Where to start on Jami-Lee Ross versus Bridges and National?

There is a huge amount of material around after yesterday’s unprecedented developments, where Ross was dumped from the National caucus but resigned anyway and also resigned from Parliament.

This will trigger a by-election in Botany that Ross says he will contest as an independent, saying it will be a vote on the leadership of Bridges. I’m not sure what voters will think of using democratic processes to advance a personal and party feud.

Ross says he will go to the police today after making accusations of corruption (that he says he played a part in). He seems to be trying to portray himself as some sort of principled whistle blowing hero.

Bridges denies everything and he and other National MPs have attacked back against Ross.

It may take some time to unravel the facts of this unravelling of Ross and National.

As Newsroom says, Jami-Lee Ross leaves more questions than answers

Ross denies being the original leaker of Bridges’ travel expenses. The expenses were leaked to a Newshub journalist in August and the PwC report commissioned by Bridges showed no correspondence between Ross and the journalist. The report said the leaker had not been identified “with certainty”, but the evidence pointed to Ross.

Ross has admitted to being the leaker of the text from the person claiming to be the expense leaker (stay with us). The text calling for the leak inquiry to be called off was leaked to a different journalist, from a different organisation. Ross said he passed the details of the text to the RNZ journalist because he disagreed with Bridges’ decisions regarding the leak saga, including his decision to push forward with an investigation despite the leaker revealing they had mental health issues.

So Ross denies being the original leaker but supported that leaker by leaking texts from them.

Ross is also now facing allegations of harassing at least four women. He was confronted by Bridges, deputy leader Paula Bennett, and National chief of staff Jamie Gray about three weeks ago. They said there were complaints from four women, and they were aware of a “pattern of behaviour”. Bridges said the women did not want to take the matter further.

Last night Bennett told Newsroom it was wrong of Ross to claim she and Bridges had raised allegations of sexual ‘harassment’ with him. “We just put to him some form of inappropriate behaviour for a married man. We had a private conversation with him. It was sensitive, but it is him who has chosen to go public about it being around sexual harassment.”

This is very touchy ground for MPs who generally don’t go public on the private behaviour of other MPs. I’ve seen a range of accusations but will wait for substance and evidence.

Ross denies ever harassing a woman, saying he was raised by his mother and grandmother to respect women. He then strangely referenced the Brett Kavanaugh affair in the US, saying a man who was accused of harassment these days found it almost impossible to clear their name. Ross said these allegations led to him having a “mental breakdown” and caused him to take leave. He said he was better now.

Odd, Ross wasn’t publicly accused of harassment. He outed himself, claiming to be the victim of false accusations of harassment.

Ross said Bridges filed false returns for electoral donations. One of those was a $10,000 donation from an organisation called Cathedral Club, which Ross alleged was a front for Bridges’ friend. Bridges said there was a clerical error regarding two donations totalling $24,000, as they were listed as candidate donations, rather than party donations. The return was amended and resubmitted.

Ross also alleged Bridges had received $100,000 from Chinese businessman Yikun Zhang, which Bridges asked Ross to collect and split up so it could be filed anonymously. The outgoing National MP said he would be taking information regarding the alleged “corruption” to police on Wednesday.

But:

So that may distance Bridges from prosecution (National’s party secretary could be in the firing line), but if substantiated it is likely to leave Bridges in political difficulty, especially as a leader.

National Party president Peter Goodfellow said the party could find no proof of Ross’ allegations, which seemed “inconsistent with the donor information we have to date, including information previously supplied by Mr Ross”.

If Ross proves wrongdoing he may be culpable himself.

Bridges’ handling of the leak saga, and his popularity both in and out of the party, have been questioned during the past two months. The leader said the party was united and all 55 MPs had voted to expel Ross. He also said his leadership had not been discussed by caucus but the party was united. He repeatedly referred to Ross as a “lone-wolf MP”, who was “leaking”, “lying” and “lashing out”.

However, this will not be the end of the saga for Bridges, who may now be at the centre of an investigation into alleged electoral fraud. He’s in a stronger position than Ross at this stage but nothing’s a sure thing in politics.

I think it’s too soon to know how this will impact on Bridges’ leadership and on the National Party.

David Farrar is on RNZ right now saying ‘it is bad for both National and Bridges, they only questions are how bad and for how long”.

If the police launch an inquiry that is almost certain to drag things out for some time.

The Botany by-election will drag things out for a couple of months or so if they can fit it in before Christmas.

And Ross seems intent on revealing a lot of information including a recording and communications.

116 Comments

  1. robertguyton

     /  October 17, 2018

    “So Ross denies being the original leaker but supported that leaker by leaking texts from them.”
    I reckon that’s true.

    • I reckon it’s hard to know what is true and what is false at this stage.

      Beware of believing those who simply support your wishes on how this plays out.

      • robertguyton

         /  October 17, 2018

        Okay, thanks, Pete – crikey, I nearly fell for that ol’ trap!!

        • You seem to fall for it quite a lot, but you’re far from alone on that.

          • robertguyton

             /  October 17, 2018

            Beware of believing something that simply supports your wishes, Pete.

  2. Gezza

     /  October 17, 2018

    • Corky

       /  October 17, 2018

      As Errol Flynn said, ”when you are down on your luck put your best suit on and smile.”

      • Gezza

         /  October 17, 2018

        “National Party president Peter Goodfellow says the party can find no proof of the allegations made by Jami-Lee Ross today over its handling of political donations. “The allegations made by Mr Ross appear inconsistent with the donor information we have to date, including information previously supplied by Mr Ross,” Goodfellow said in a statement.”
        . . . . .
        Well, yes, obviously, but that is what he said was arranged. He mentioned the National Party GM too.

        “We understand Mr Ross will be taking his allegations to the police, and we invite him to do so.
        . . . . .
        I wouldn’t expect a Thank You for the invitation. But I guess, the way this is all unfolding, you never know …

        • Corky

           /  October 17, 2018

          Yes, the simple fact Bridges will not commit to to simple yes or no answer regarding donations shows Peter Goodfellow is either spinning..or out of the loop.

          Bridges knows his whole political career is over should he commit to an answer and be found out lying. Not that things can get a whole worse for him then he is currently experiencing

        • Blazer

           /  October 17, 2018

          ‘National Party president Peter Goodfellow says the party can find no proof of the allegations made by Jami-Lee Ross today over its handling of political donations. ‘-quelle surprise!

          try looking in the obvious places.

          • Gezza

             /  October 17, 2018

            The obvious places are in the bag. Sayonara obvious places.

  3. I’ve seen varying claims on how Bridges handled things yesterday. I haven’t taken the time to view everything so I have no idea how he comes out of it, but he has to keep stepping up just to tread water.

  4. robertguyton

     /  October 17, 2018

    “National looks less like a political party and more like a front for Chinese business interests”

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/10/16/national-looks-less-like-a-political-party-and-more-like-a-front-for-chinese-business-interests/

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 17, 2018

      An inter-generational fixation on ‘Power & Wealth’ has obviously led them to a pretty strange and bizarre place … or should I say “marketplace” (which is the only kind of place there is) …

      It’s not the first time though … Remember Massey’s Cossacks …

      Even I … a great proponent of ‘natural balance’ … could never have predicted this …

      This is the Rogerednomics pendulum swinging back at terminal velocity … and it’s gonna fucken hurt!

    • Like the party that looks like a from for unions, and the party that looks like a front for Greenpeace and the Socialist front.

      Chinese make up a significant part of the voting population, and some of them have substantial wealth, so of course parties will nbe interested in donations for them.

      What policies did National implement that disproportionately advantaged Chines business interests?

      Compared, say party that might pander to union interests, or a party that might pander to racing or fishing interests, or a party that may pander to ‘green economy’ business interests?

      • PartisanZ

         /  October 17, 2018

        I never thought of that PG …

        Because Labour and the Greens look squeaky clean by comparison to this!

      • Blazer

         /  October 17, 2018

        ‘Like the party that looks like a from for unions, and the party that looks like a front for Greenpeace and the Socialist front.’…nice try -no cigar…

        try comparing apples with apples.

    • Ray

       /  October 17, 2018

      According to today’s ODT The Invercargill Councils also are linked with the same Chinese businessman
      Robert serves on at least one of those so using the Standard Leftie looney smear technique,obviously Robert must be a Chinese Government tool!*
      *For the record I don’t think this is vaguely likely

      • robertguyton

         /  October 17, 2018

        Look! A panda squirrel!

        • Ray

           /  October 17, 2018

          Does bamboo grow in Riverton Robert, think carefully before answering.

          • robertguyton

             /  October 17, 2018

            I have 15 varieties growing in my forest garden, Ray. They arrived in a cleverly folded brown paper package, anonymously, late one night. Oddly and mysteriously, several hairs from the coat of a large mammal, some black, some white, were trapped by the tape used to secure the package and the return address, which had been partially-redacted with a black marker, appeared to consist of Chinese characters! I planted them regardless of their unknown source.

            • Ray

               /  October 17, 2018

              And rightly so, you have to try these things to see what works.
              Bamboo is so handy as a plant though the mass die-offs when it flowers must be tricky.
              Serious question, not linked to the accusation above, any problems with it being invasive.

      • PartisanZ

         /  October 17, 2018

        Someone had to open the ‘Local Government’ can-of-worms – made from NZ & Imported ingredients – and Lo-and-Behold it’s Ray in a desperate [though qualified*] attempt to get at Robert …

        Expect much desperation from National’s rank and file over the next weeks and months … Those who don’t defect … (although to their discredit they’re a loyal bunch, often from the cradle to the grave. They’re not Corky/sorethumb’s “exhausted majority” by a long shot) …

        If Aotearoa NZ has any top quality investigative journos, and I do believe we have, here’s a Pandora’s Box just waiting to be opened, explored and exposed …

        The Far North District Council would certainly ‘seem’ to be so far in bed with Chinese interests as to have whore-or-less disappeared … (Did I spell that correctly?) … They’ve become a ‘facade governance arm’ or ‘Front’ for Far North Holdings Ltd, as NRC has for Northland Inc …

        I guess when rating increases, procurement savings and borrowing abroad are exhausted, and NZ investors are totally addicted (by government policy) to the ‘alcohol’ of residential & rural capital gains &/or the ‘meth’ of AirBnB … what else can you do?

        And, with one or two notable exceptions, FNDC Councillors, Upper Management, Contractors and Consultants alike are as Blue as Fonterra Milk Tankers and moldy Blue-Vein Cheese …

    • PDB

       /  October 17, 2018

      “National looks less like a political party and more like a front for Chinese business interests”

      Seems to be somewhat hysterical…

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12058818

      An influential United States Congress hearing has been told “one of the major fundraisers for Jacinda Ardern’s party” is linked to the Chinese Communist Party and it showed China had penetrated New Zealand’s political networks.

      • PartisanZ

         /  October 17, 2018

        And the context is …?

        But heck … Ya know … If we’re gonna admit “Yeah, we got Rogered and Ruthanased after all” … and have a good old fashioned Spring Clean … we might as well clean out both the closets …

        • PDB

           /  October 17, 2018

          No context – that is the point – the daily blog can come up with some hysteria about National/Chinese ties but the opposite also applies. A Chinese business group is no different to any other donor grouping (be it unions, sky city etc) in terms of the fact they donate money in the hope the party they donate to have policies more favourable to them.

  5. Now a claim of entrapment.

    • Gezza

       /  October 17, 2018

      Well, entrapment was my automatic assumption from the way Ross was outlining that matter at his remarkable Press Conference yesterday. The question will be – if he did – did Simon fall for it? Jami-Lee certainly seems to think so.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 17, 2018

      Might get really messy in Court …?

  6. duperez

     /  October 17, 2018

    I heard the interview on RNZ with Paula Bennett. As it unfolded I was surprised how not on top of it she was. Just as the words “She’s making a real dog’s breakfast of this” came to me, our big dog outside starting barking. He’s really good at sensing something odd in the air.

  7. Gezza

     /  October 17, 2018

    Odd, Ross wasn’t publicly accused of harassment. He outed himself, claiming to be the victim of false accusations of harassment.

    Perhaps not. The context in which this mentioned by Jami-Lee was, he said yesterday, that this was given by Simon and Paula as the reason he was expected to now:
    – resign from his spokesperson roles
    – take personal leave until the end of December, and
    – return to Parliament in the New Year, but as a backbencher

    He claims these false accusations being used to destroy his career caused his mental breakdown.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  October 17, 2018

      He could just as easily have said they made “false accusations” about him and left out the sexual harassment part.
      He has also said he didn’t have a mental breakdown and that THAT was used as an excuse to get him out of parliament.
      It is an ever changing story, but really it all boils down to:
      Have incriminating recordings = vindication for JLR and destruction for SB.
      Don’t have them = political oblivion and it will all blow over very quickly with JLR looking like a fruit loop.

  8. unitedtribes2

     /  October 17, 2018

    No matter what the answers are I would guess a certain blog will come out in the thick of this. One who has had a relationship with JLR in the past. Seems to have issues with SB. Has lost a lot of political relevance over the past couple of years and would like to see JC run up the ladder. Watch this spot.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 17, 2018

      Yeah, yeah, yeah … JC … So we can totally formalize and embed our complete sell-off to the Chinese!

      JC might fly … at half-mast …

  9. High Flying Duck

     /  October 17, 2018

    For JLR it is definitely all about SB and only SB. He apparently used Simon’s name an incredible number of times in his press stand up (Hauraki edited them all in a row, and it went on for a while…).
    It all seems a brutal over-reaction for being overlooked for promotion.

  10. Zedd

     /  October 17, 2018

    come on down… Paula

    btw; watching this a.m. debate.. the new leader of Natl is plainly obvious.. sitting down front

  11. High Flying Duck

     /  October 17, 2018

    “National MP Judith Collins is said to be panicking after her mind lost all control of one of its host bodies in the late hours of this morning.

    The body, apparently accelerating its programming by several years, went on a 50-minute press conference rampage, accusing leader Simon Bridges of everything from election finance fraud to fabricating claims of sexual harassment.

    In the most extraordinary press conference in recent New Zealand political history, the body – which once belonged to Botany MP Jami-Lee Ross – took a blowtorch to the leadership of the National Party, who simultaneously voted to expel him.

    “Simon Bridges is a big bad, not even smart, not even good, not even going to be Prime Minister kind of a guy,” read Ross’ body from a pre-prepared statement. “He is selfish, dishonest, a bully, rude, possibly a cannibal, and worse, a jerk.”

    He claimed that Bridges had committed “significant crimes” and attempted to fabricate sexual harassment claims against him, even going so far as to hire real women to be involuntarily harrassed by him.

    Ross’ body is part of the Judith Collins Drone MP Programme, a project to utilise the formerly free minds of National Party MPs to exact her will upon her enemies.

    Sources close to Collins say that while the body was broadly following its long-term commands, it was carrying them out “much too quickly.”

    http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/judith-collins-loses-all-control-of-host-body/

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 17, 2018

      Satire has to be short and pithy to work as satire. If it’s longwinded, the impact is diluted and the audience is turned off.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  October 17, 2018

        So Monty Python’s “Life of Brian” was a turn off?

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 17, 2018

          It’s not the same thing; it’s a meaningless comparison. Apart from anything else, the Monty Pythons were among the world’s greatest comedy writers.

          This longwinded piece of writing becomes tedious, it’s trying too hard.

          • Gezza

             /  October 17, 2018

            They had a particular style of humour and some of it has not worn all that well with time. Fawlty Towers (Cleese) is pretty awful & dated quickly.

            The Two Ronnies, and particularly Ronnie Barker. I think that comedy series will stand the test of time.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 17, 2018

              I thought that of FT, but it seems to be better now that it’s even further removed from the original time of making.

              One tends to remember Monty Python as being all as great as The Dead Parrot and The Philosophers’ Song, but there is a lot that isn’t.

              An old man I know was delighted when ITMA was repeated on the radio….but when he listened to it, he couldn’t see why he had found it so funny.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 17, 2018

              I saw a bit of All in the Family recently….it was feeble. The acting was stilted, there were pauses in the conversation to make sure that the audience ‘got it’, the plot was contrived….it had NOT stood the test of time well at all.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 17, 2018

              I meant to say Yes to a lot if the two Rs. Not all, of course, but the Mastermind sendup and the rhyming weather forecast (and others of that ilk) are still brilliant. Ronnie Barker said that it was very difficult to do the spoonerisms because the mind automatically corrects them and then it’s pointless.

              Did you know that his funeral procession had four candles in it?

      • Gezza

         /  October 17, 2018

        No it just has to be funny to a lot of people, Kitty.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 17, 2018

          Not necessarily, satire is not synonymous with humour. Swift’s satire is vicious but not amusing ….satire goes a long way beyond parody or sending up. Have you read much Swift? He pillories people and politics, and some of his is not only cruel, it’s indecent. Nobody would laugh at the dressing-room one (the one that someone else and I had to remove from our collected Swifts, as we were terrified that we would accidentally encounter it again) which is a gross and biting satire upon people whose outward appearance and private lack of fastidiousness are at variance…

          • Gezza

             /  October 17, 2018

            Oh, sorry. I’m not putting forward an argument.
            I’m just telling you how it is.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 17, 2018

              So am I, and the definition of satire is not that it’s comedy or always intended to be amusing.

  12. Zedd

     /  October 17, 2018

    J-L Ross should stand for ACT in Botany by-election ? 🙂

    • Zedd

       /  October 17, 2018

      criticism of Natl opposition: ‘they have No Friends’
      *need other MMP coalition options; ‘the Act party’, not one ‘dirty deal’ in Epsom

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 17, 2018

        No, thank you. He would NOT be welcome.

        • Zedd

           /  October 17, 2018

          sorry kitty I stand corrected.. maybe Judith or Kanwaljit might be better options ?

          • Zedd

             /  October 17, 2018

            methinks that the time of one big party, running the country, is SOOO 20th century & long gone; welcome to MMP folks

  13. Gezza

     /  October 17, 2018

    Stuff.co Live Updates Oct 17, 2018 11:22 AM
    Henry Cooke
    Jami-Lee Ross has an appointment with police at 1pm. He will hold another standup when he gets out – likely a very long one again.
    UPDATED OCT 17, 2018 11:40 AM

  14. Gezza

     /  October 17, 2018

    Oct 17, 2018 12:12 PM
    Henry Cooke
    Deputy leader Paula Bennett told us this morning (see the interview above!) that National may bring in auditors to look into the illegal donation allegation, firing back very hard on Jami-Lee Ross.

    She even suggested he may be the one who is legally to blame.

    “When you step back from it slightly it sounds like he has gone and collected that donation, that he has filed that claim. I’m worried for him as much as anyone else in all this,” Bennett said.

    “I don’t know that by the way.”

    “What the party are telling us at the moment is they can’t find that donation, so I’m not sure which account – if he did collect it – which account he put it into,” Bennett said, saying she had “heard” Ross had separate accounts for donations where “sometimes” the money didn’t go to National.

    “I’ve heard there might be. I don’t know that for a fact,” Bennett said, when asked about separate accounts.
    Read more from the interview here: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107903162/paula-bennett-hints-auditors-could-probe-donation-claim-and-suggests-jamilee-ross-to-blame

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 17, 2018

      They say when you’re caught in the quicksand the very last thing you should do is thrash around …

      Gezza’s wonderful ‘Toast’ jif gets more and more appealing by the hour.

    • robertguyton

       /  October 17, 2018

      Well that’s pretty disgusting from Bennett. How did these people get to where they are? Using those sort of strategies? Probably…

      • PartisanZ

         /  October 17, 2018

        Correct Robert … using those sorts of strategies …

        But see also below … Something tells me we ain’t reached the bottom of the morally bankrupt barrel quite yet …

        • Gezza

           /  October 17, 2018

          Oct 17, 2018 2:20 PM
          Tracy Watkins
          Winston Peters says Paula Bennett has taken Parliament down a dangerous road dragging personal issues into the JLR row – and accused her of “trolling” the MP.
          Last night Bennett referred to complaints about Ross for behaviour that was ‘inappropriate for a married MP’ and has referred to other complaints about his behaviours.

          Peters said Bennett was on “seriously dangerous ground” and he had never seen an MP take personal issues to that level before.
          It was”vicious, uncalled for and “you don’t expect a member of Parliament to act like a troll.”

          “When you see those sorts of tactics it means you’re bereft of any defence.”

          Peters said the National Party was in serious trouble if the allegations by Ross stacked up. The allegations were discoverable “and I don’t think he’s flying blind, I think he’s been well advised by a legal mind”.

          • Corky

             /  October 17, 2018

            Well, Winston needs to do some thinking. National isn’t the only one with problems. Labour has them too, thanks to National. See, the coalition government will have to ace the first opinion poll that comes out after these events or serious questions will be asked of them.

            For National, the dream poll will show little movement in support, and Simon Bridges rating as leader on 1%. That will give National the green light to knife him.

            • PDB

               /  October 17, 2018

              It will be interesting to see if the National supporters see this as a failure of the party or just a nasty spat between two relatively unlikable blokes who once were mates. I’d suggest you could be on the right track – a few % points down with some voters now being undecided until this thing is sorted one way or the other, Bridges to be around 3% for PM.

            • Blazer

               /  October 17, 2018

              ‘ National supporters see this as a failure of the party or just a nasty spat between two relatively unlikable blokes ‘

              So no.1 and no.7 in the National lineup are ..unlikeable…lucky they have Bennett,Brownlee,Adams and Mitchell they all radiate…charisma!

            • Corky

               /  October 17, 2018

              Honestly, Blazer…I would wait until you have something solid to crow about. You know Labours habit of shooting themselves in the foot.

            • PDB

               /  October 17, 2018

              Compares pretty well to Labour Blazer where no 2 – to the end (being charitable to Ardern here) are unlikable.

  15. Gezza

     /  October 17, 2018

    Help may be at hand?

    • PDB

       /  October 17, 2018

      With friends like those….

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 17, 2018

      OMG … stand-up comedy slips into slapstick!

      Seriously!? Election support? From Kim Dotcom? In Botany!!!???

      “Jihadist” is rough though. That’s really rough. They’ve lost the plot. They don’t care who they insult!

      “Bite the other hand that feeds you”

      Something tells me we ain’t seen the bottom of the “morally bankrupt” barrel quite yet?

    • Blazer

       /  October 17, 2018

      what a tantalising twist….the inside info Ross has on the Key Govt can really hurt National.

      Take care Jamie.

      • PDB

         /  October 17, 2018

        Your addiction to John Key shows no sign of diminishing….maybe Labour can send their party president over to Aussie again to see if they can actually come up with some gossip about Key this time?

        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/vote-08/news/695248/Labour-trawls-for-Key-smear

        • Blazer

           /  October 17, 2018

          thats just opinion…this is hilarious….’Mr Key and another foreign exchange dealer, Maxwell Nichols, who worked for Elders 20 years ago, had extraordinarily similar signatures. Mr Nichols said in a witness statement to a Melbourne court in 1994 that the signatures were his. ‘

          Maxwell Nicholls -John Key…yes I can see they would be extraordinarily…$imilar!!

          • PDB

             /  October 17, 2018

            As usual you left out the important bit: “Mr Nichols said in a witness statement to a Melbourne court in 1994 that the signatures were his. At least one of his colleagues gave corroborating evidence.” So similar they were.

            Some signatures are just scrawls or symbols as Key’s is;

            https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_Key_sig.svg

        • Blazer

           /  October 17, 2018

          ‘however, the issue of John Key’s involvement in the near collapse of New Zealand’s currency in 1987 cannot now be overlooked. It appears Key was not where he led us to believe he was, or where he said he was when dealing with Krieger and his raid on the ‘kiwi’ currency – and he may possibly not have been where he said he was when the H-Fee scams were being hatched.’

          Kriegers raid on the Kiwi was an attempt to wreck the NZ economy…

          Keys tenure succeeded in wrecking the Kiwi Dream,but did enrich his Wall St colleagues.

          • PDB

             /  October 17, 2018

            Did you write that blog? If not I think we have somehow found someone more obsessed with Key then yourself!

            • Blazer

               /  October 17, 2018

              Key can never remember what he wants to…forget!

        • Blazer

           /  October 17, 2018

          yes I can see how that is really ..Nicholls…a load of contrived crap.How much $ changed hands.

  16. Patzcuaro

     /  October 17, 2018
  17. lurcher1948

     /  October 17, 2018

    So will simple simon bridges sue JLR the pathetic snake in the grass, never trust a sweaty bulding trougher

  18. Gezza

     /  October 17, 2018

    Here’s the recording Jami-Lee’s released:

    • PDB

       /  October 17, 2018

      OK – listened to it. Seems JLR was really pushing hard during the conversation to get Bridges to say something untoward but instead the only thing of note is Bridges slagging off some of his MP’s (which JLR didn’t need to air as nothing to do with dodgy donations). A bit matter of fact on number of Chinese and Indian MPs as well, but again said in what Bridges thought was a private conversation with a mate.

      Stuff: “It is not clear at this stage whether anything on the tape will really incriminate Bridges in the eyes of the law. But the frank discussion of getting two Chinese candidates and Bridges describing one of his own MPs as “f…… useless” could end up being very politically damaging.”.

      • Gezza

         /  October 17, 2018

        Agree. Finlayson won’t be best pleased with it either. Obviously Jami-Lee wanted that out there. Jesus. What a snake, eh?

        • PDB

           /  October 17, 2018

          The only unclear thing is how was the donation finally recorded? If it was recorded a being from ‘person/s unknown’ then Bridges could still be in the gun as he is saying on the tape he knows who the donation is from.

      • Gezza

         /  October 17, 2018

        I have just met with @MaureenPughNat and unreservedly apologised for my comment…She has gracefully accepted.

        I think we can safely assume he wasn’t dopey enuf to ask if he could count on her support at the inevitable upcoming leadership challenge. Or maybe we shouldn’t assume that?

    • lurcher1948

       /  October 17, 2018

      Calling some useless MPs useless isnt the end of times,well the stupid right might think so, Judith Collins isn’t the national leader yet or ever, Margret Thatcher she ISNT

      • PDB

         /  October 17, 2018

        Just goes to show that as a political party leader you can trust nobody with your inner most thoughts – in that position never say anything to anyone on anything that you wouldn’t say to them directly.

  19. PDB

     /  October 17, 2018

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/10/ross_releases_tape.html

    ” In terms of the donation issue it is a fizzer. He over promised and under delivered.”

    “Here we see the real agenda. A senior trusted MP recorded private conversations with his leader, so he could use them against him later. Such a betrayal of trust.

    Of course the tape recording is embarrassing to Bridges and the MPs. That is why Ross is releasing it. But every party leader has frank discussions with senior colleagues about caucus members and caucus renewal. Not just party leaders. Most of the last year people have speculated on who will go and when.

    And yes talking about the relative value of MPs from different ethnicities happens also. Parties want to appeal to voters from all ethnicities, so they look to have MPs from various ethnic groups. And as the number of places in a caucus is limited, you discuss what is the higher priority. It doesn’t mean it is the only factor. The individual ability of the candidate plays a large part, but the discussions recorded is quite standard in politics.”

    “So the tape is embarrassing to Bridges (and Ross most of all), but is a total fizzer when it comes to the reason he claimed he was releasing it.

    Ross seems bent on the politics of personal destruction. Maybe he also secretly recorded caucus meetings and will start releasing them. But wow is he going to struggle to find many people to talk to him in future, if people think he is recording them fur future leverage.”

    • Blazer

       /  October 17, 2018

      Chinaman gives $100k wants 2 more chinese M.P’s…Indian gives only $100…sounds ..reasonable when you apply the National dictum…money talks…

      • PDB

         /  October 17, 2018

        Don’t forget he said the Chinese had better wine as well.

    • Gezza

       /  October 17, 2018

      29 mins it says

      • Gezza

         /  October 17, 2018

        WHO provided him with the names of the 7 donors for the $100K donation?

        Out of that whole press pack (Jess just seemed to want to know the bits about his private life) did any of them ask him that?

        He keeps saying: “I was provided with the names” to give the National Party etc. I never heard anyone say: “WHO feckin gave them to you, snakeboy ?”

        Did anyone else?

        • High Flying Duck

           /  October 17, 2018

          In the phone call it is JLR who says it is all compliant under electoral law and does not need to be declared as there were multiple entites and individuals who made up the total donation amount. Simon didn’t appear to be too concerned over that aspect, and I’m not sure why he would have been – it’s not like it needed to be hidden.

          Biggest unasked question: How is the Southland Mayor, Gary Tong feeling as he traverses through China with the donor in question on his dime?

          • Gezza

             /  October 17, 2018

            There’ll have to be some police banking forensics I expect. Texts supposedly implication Greg the National GM next I imagine. Plus other damaging remarks about individual MPs and associates or donors. He’ll be poring over whatever he’s got and drip-feeding it out for as long as he can.

            The smart thing to do is say something not quite accurate, wait for the denial, then leak the proof.

            So far he’s got off to a not very convincing start on the corruption thing but you never know what else will turn up. If I was him I wouldn’t be going anywhere without a bodyguard.

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