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  1. Gezza

     /  17th October 2018

    Khasholggi problem update
    Istanbul, Turkey – Turkish authorities have an audio recording which indicates that missing Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, a Turkish official has told Al Jazeera.

    The official, who spoke to Al Jazeera on the condition of anonymity, said the audio originates from a different source than the Apple Watch that the journalist was reportedly wearing when he entered the consulate on October 2.

    Separately, the Reuters news agency on Monday reported that Turkish police were in possession of an audio recording that indicates Khashoggi was killed in the consulate, citing two anonymous officials.

    Saudi Arabia has strongly denied killing Khashoggi, a critic of the kingdom’s policies. Its interior minister has described the assertion as “lies”. Saudi officials have said he left the consulate shortly after entering it.

    Jamal Khashoggi was last seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on October 2

    One of the Turkish officials told Reuters that evidence showing that Khashoggi had been killed was being shared with countries including Saudi Arabia and the United States. “Evidence has been conveyed to all sides very clearly,” the security source said. “Now we are at the stage of collecting concrete evidence at the consulate.”

    The security official that Al Jazeera spoke to said the recording obtained by Turkish police has 11 minutes of audio. Technical voice analyses conducted by police identified three male voices who are believed to be Saudis, in addition to the voice of Khashoggi, the official said, adding that the journalist was assaulted immediately after he entered the consulate.

    The official also said that consulate staff were dismissed early on the day of Khashoggi’s disappearance, at 11:30am, having been told that there would be a meeting at the consulate that day.

    The Saudi embassy in Ankara did not respond to requests for comment.
    Al Jazeera
    . . .
    Summary of other developments – Al Jazeera
    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan raised the possibility that parts of the consulate had been repainted since Khashoggi disappeared. “The investigation is looking into many things such as toxic materials and those materials being removed by painting them over,” he told reporters.

    A Turkish security official said no conclusive evidence emerged from the overnight search that indicated Khashoggi was killed in the consulate. “However, there are some findings and they are being worked on,” he said, adding that painting may have damaged some evidence. “These can’t be fully erased after all, so the teams will continue to work on this.”

    Erdogan also said he hoped a reasonable opinion would be reached as soon as possible, Reuters news agency reported.

    Home of Saudi Arabia’s consul in Istanbul to be searched
    An official from the Turkish Foreign Ministry said the home of Saudi Arabia’s consul in Istanbul will be searched as part of ongoing investigations into the Khashoggi case, AP news agency reported.

    [Aljaz tv reports this morning that Consul-General has left Istanbul for Riyadh – possibly he’ll be being told he’s to be a fall guy? Also, that the Turks want permission to examine all the vehicles, not yet granted.]

    UN rights chief calls for lifting of immunity
    The United Nations human rights chief Michelle Bachelet called on Saudi Arabia and Turkey on Tuesday to reveal all information on the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi. “Two weeks is a very long time for the probable scene of a crime not to have been subjected to a full forensic investigation,” Bachelet said in a statement.

    “Under international law, both a forced disappearance and an extra-judicial killing are very serious crimes, and immunity should not be used to impede investigations into what happened and who is responsible,” she added. [Commenters on Aljaz have said snowflake’s chance in hell – or words to that general effect. No country would agree to this; it opens up their diplomatic staff for prosecution.]

    • Gezza

       /  17th October 2018

      NY Times: Saudi to blame ‘incompetent’ spy for Khashoggi killing
      The New York Times reports the Saudi royal court will soon put out a narrative that an official within the kingdom’s intelligence services – who happens to be a friend of Prince Mohammed – carried out Khashoggi’s killing.

      According to that narrative, the crown prince approved an interrogation or rendition of Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia, but the intelligence official was tragically incompetent as he eagerly sought to prove himself. He then tried to cover up the botched handling of the situation.

      CNN earlier reported a similar story. Both reports cited anonymous people said to be familiar with the Saudi plans.

      Trump said he could not confirm such reports. “I’ve heard that report but nobody’s knows if it’s an official report. So far it’s just the rumour, the rumour of a report coming out,” he said.

      The Times reported the theory was widely dismissed among Khashoggi’s friends, human rights defenders, and some US politicians.

    • Gezza

       /  17th October 2018

      Warning: Graphic content

      A source has claimed Jamal Khashoggi was butchered alive in a brutal seven-minute execution after reportedly hearing audio of the missing journalist’s horrifying last moments.

      The anonymous source, who claimed to have heard a recording captured on Khashoggi’s Apple watch, said in an interview with Middle East Eye that Khashoggi was killed after entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on October 2.

      According to the source, the tape reveals that Khashoggi was dragged from the Consul General’s office to a table next door in a study where he was surgically dismembered.

      Audio recording is said to have captured the missing journalist’s dying screams before he was “injected with an unknown drug” and fell silent.

      “There was no attempt to interrogate him. They had come to kill him,” the source said.

    • Pink David

       /  17th October 2018

      It was the Saudi Prince,
      In the embassy reception room,
      With the chainsaw.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  17th October 2018

        This is real life, not Cluedo.

        There’s nothing amusing about torturing someone to death.

  2. Gezza

     /  17th October 2018

    As he so often does, US President Donald Trump falsely declared on “60 Minutes” North Korea and the United States were going to war before he stepped in to thwart it.

    Interviewer Lesley Stahl was having none of it. “We were going to war?”

    Trump immediately retreated to safer ground, expressing a view rather than trying to assert a fact: “I think it was going to end up in war,” he said, before moving on to his “impression” of the situation.

    The 26-minute-long interview was typical Trump – bobbing and weaving through a litany of false claims, misleading assertions and exaggerated facts. Trump again demonstrated what The Washington Post has long documented: His rhetoric is fundamentally based on making statements that are not true, and he will be as deceptive as his audience will allow.

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  17th October 2018

    Arab States nervous about Trump supporting anti-OPEC legislation after Khashoggi, high oil prices and possible Saudi retaliation to US sanctions: