Four women claim harassment by Jami-Lee Ross

On Tuesday Jami-Lee Ross claimed that Simon Bridges had confronted him with claims that four woman had made allegations against him. Ross suggested he was in a similar situation to Brett Kavanaugh.

Paula Bennett was criticised for saying that Ross had acted “inappropriately for a married man” – Paula Bennett stands by claim Ross acted inappropriately for a married man, during tense interview with Jack Tame

National Deputy leader Paula Bennett stands by saying Jami-Lee Ross acted inappropriately for a married man but denies accusing him of sexual harassment.

Yesterday, as part of the extraordinary hour long stand-up in which he levelled a number of allegations at Simon Bridges and the National party, Mr Ross accused Ms Bennett of trying to scare him off with anonymous sexual harassment allegations.

Ms Bennett defended herself today, saying Mr Ross has mischaracterised a meeting they had.

“Well he came out yesterday and he said we’d made claims to him of sexual harassment and he likened himself to (US Supreme Court Justice) Brett Kavanaugh, which I found extraordinary in itself,” Ms Bennett said.

Ms Bennett said she stood by telling media Mr Ross had acted inappropriately for a married MP.

At his media conference yesterday after making a complaint to the police about his allegations of corruption (against Bridges) Ross said:

“Well I’m the one here in front of a police station who’s just spoken to three senior sergeants about my concerns around the Electoral Act being broken, so

“I’ve said that I’m comfortable with all of my conduct, I’m comfortable that I am somebody who is standing up and doing the right thing.

“I know that there’s smears about me at the moment: what I think has always been something in New Zealand politics that we leave personal lives and family out of this.

“I’m comfortable with what I have with my wife – if the way in which we’re about to play politics, when a political party and the leader is under pressure, if they want to start lifting the bedsheets on everyone that works in that building, you guys and MPs, then I think there’ll be a lot of people concerned – even those that are throwing allegations now.”

But four women have indeed made claims, according to Newsroom – Jami-Lee Ross: Four women speak out

Over the past year, Newsroom investigations editor Melanie Reid has been looking into the background and behaviour of former National MP Jami-Lee Ross. She has talked to a number of people who have given detailed accounts, recordings and documents of their close working and personal relationships with the controversial politician.

So this is not just a reaction to this week’s events.

Some felt manipulated and intimidated by the way he goes about his politics and his social interactions. Others felt pressured not to speak out.

Today Newsroom presents, on the condition of anonymity, the stories of four women and the relationships which they now believe saw them variously groomed, used for access to information and power, and abused.

Each saw the MP speak out on Tuesday denying his leaders’ allegations of “harassment”, saying he was raised to respect all women.

Yesterday Ross, who is married with children, told journalists he was happy with how he had conducted his personal life and warned against anyone in politics trying to “lift the bedsheets”.

However, each of the women interviewed below wanted to speak out, now, to set the record straight.

Profile of a narcissist

A woman who moved in the same political circles as Ross says he targeted her for a relationship which evolved into controlling behaviour, “incoherent rages” and “brutal sex”.

The woman, who described herself as the ‘primary supply’ for Ross’s narcissistic tendencies, says she was manipulated during a time of personal vulnerability.

A close friendship developed into an affair after consistent and repeated pressure. She described it as “her biggest mistake”.

“It was very clear to me his political motivation was a lust for power and control.”

She saw her opportunity to get out after noticing him seeking ‘supplies’ in other women.

Playing the long game

Another woman says she “absolutely regrets” having an affair with Ross and now believes he manipulated her for information about key National Party figures.

What started as a work friendship at Parliament became sexual after Ross initiated back-and-forth messaging – often late into the night.

The woman told Newsroom that while the encounters were consensual, she felt Ross had “100 percent groomed her” in order to seek information about National Party members she had access to.

During this time Ross had suggested she sleep with other men in the workplace – including MPs who were married – and made many other inappropriate comments.

“He said things like ‘You’re going to go out tonight and pull’.”

The woman said her reaction to Ross’ claim he respected “all women” was to “laugh out loud”.

Threats and harassment

A National Party member who says she was on the receiving end of Ross’ abuse, says she was “completely floored” by his claim he had never harassed a woman.

“I watched as Jami-Lee Ross looked reporters in the eye and told the nation that he, ‘to the best of his knowledge, had never harassed a woman’.

“He was calm. He was collected. He was every bit the master of deception.”

He went on to say that “he was raised by his grandmother to respect women”.

“Well, during the past two years, I can assure the public that my dealings with Jami-Lee Ross have never left me more harassed and disrespected as a woman in my whole life.”

“This man is a narcissist. He absolutely turns on people when he doesn’t get his own way. He is a master manipulator and a deceitful liar who has no problem looking somebody in the eye and outright lying.”

A pattern of behaviour

A woman who worked in close quarters with Ross says he “nearly destroyed” her.

“Not only was he rude and arrogant, he falsely accused me of things I didn’t do. He really didn’t treat me fairly.”

The woman had a history of many years in Parliament, and says she has never experienced anything like it “before or since”.

Ross continually undermined her and her work.

“He was setting me up and I knew I hadn’t done the things he said I had.”

The stress and anxiety became so bad she had to seek medical help.

“I didn’t even feel like I could enter the building afterwards … he destroyed me as a person.

“It makes me shake, just thinking of him.”

Ross didn’t respond to Newsroom requests for a response.

 

104 Comments

  1. So that’s the women’s vote under threat for Ross, on top of the national vote and the Chinese vote and the Indian vote.

    • Corky

       /  October 18, 2018

      That leaves the gay vote…I’m sure all ten will walk.

    • Ray

       /  October 18, 2018

      The one good thing about this business is that NZ Corp has dodged a bullet, Ross could have ended up running the country and judging by his actions this year not well.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 18, 2018

        They began as consensual affairs, so could hardly be described as harassment.

        Anyone who has an affair with someone they work with is asking for trouble when it goes wrong, and it will. Not inevitably, but usually.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  October 18, 2018

    I wonder if the weasel JLR videoed the affairs,and if he will drip feed the videos as punishment…some of his lovers and his wife will be worried, thank god we have our PM Jacinda Adern who is far above the weasels on the opposition benches

    • artcroft

       /  October 18, 2018

      At least Bridges and Bennet can now say he was confronted about his behaviour and no one can doubt that is true. Positive news for Bridges.

      • Corky

         /  October 18, 2018

        Too true, Arty. A little light down a very dark tunnel. But ultimately the best thing that could have happened to National. Given the media was already onto Ross, imagine all this one year out from the election.

        • robertguyton

           /  October 18, 2018

          “the best thing that could have happened to National
          I’m beginning to admire your complete and utter disconnect from the real world, Corky. You’re like some sort of shaman for the hard-right community, visiting the outer-reaches of reality where down is up and white is black, so that others don’t have to go there. It’s a dangerous place, Corky and most never return. All the best. Stay safe.

          • PartisanZ

             /  October 18, 2018

            It’s an ‘event horizon’ Robert …

            Like SFL, various forms of National CCPParty ‘press release’ …?

          • Corky

             /  October 18, 2018

            Will do, Robert. I have complete faith in Labours mantra:

            Have Gun.
            Have Foot.
            Fire!

            Time, Robert..just a matter of time.

            • Blazer

               /  October 18, 2018

              settle down…stumpy!

            • Corky

               /  October 18, 2018

              Stumpy? What will you be like when you are losing..the mind boggles?
              Control your nasty communist streak, comrade.

              Just a matter of time.

            • Blazer

               /  October 18, 2018

              all the real comrades prefer…National..

        • PartisanZ

           /  October 18, 2018

          I know! We don’t want any kind of ‘justice’ to prevail … only time for National to recover.

          • Corky

             /  October 18, 2018

            Correct, Parti..trim the yaw.. zero the pitch. Justice has nothing to do with politics.

        • Blazer

           /  October 18, 2018

          well Ross will have plenty more ‘best things’ for National….been close to power for quite some…time.

          • robertguyton

             /  October 18, 2018

            Spilling the beans: has-beans, might’ve-beans, coulda-beans.

  3. artcroft

     /  October 18, 2018

    Wow.

  4. NOEL

     /  October 18, 2018

    My guess it will be treated as dirty politics by many. The primary tatgets for distain will be towards Bridges and e as pecially Bennett for using it.

  5. Tipene

     /  October 18, 2018

    That’s also the permission Ross needed to return serve.

    One of those profiles reads very much like a female journalist.

    And we all know what happens when one of them gets rejected by a politician, don’t we?

    The “bed sheets” have now well and truly been lifted.

    I’m picking quite a few people will now be fronting up to their wives, husbands, and partners before the SHTF over the coming weeks.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 18, 2018

      There might not be a big enough fan …?

      • Gezza

         /  October 18, 2018

        See what Melanie Reid has said below. A jet engine couldn’t process the shit coming JLR’s way fast enuf.

  6. Gezza

     /  October 18, 2018

    Melanie Reid is saying right now on the AM show that there are more women than the two in the article who have had actual affairs with Jami-Lee. At least 5 that she knows of, but there are more than that.
    7.45am

    • Gezza

       /  October 18, 2018

      She said those she has quoted all fear he will exact revenge.

    • Blazer

       /  October 18, 2018

      oh that irresistable aphrodisiac called …power!

      No wonder Ross was always dozing off in the…house!

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 18, 2018

        These women knew that he was married with a family, knew what he was like as a person, must have known what the probable result of having sex with someone they worked with would be…..what are they complaining about?

        I’d be keeping quiet about being the sort of person who sleeps with a married man, not broadcasting it.

        It’s a bit late to be crying victim, I fear.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  October 18, 2018

          If you read the article, they all say he turned out to be a completely different person to who they thought he was. His behaviour changed and he became more and more nasty. This is a sentiment echoed by those previously close to him in the party.

          • Gezza

             /  October 18, 2018

            What’s your theory? Sociopath rather than psychopath?

            • High Flying Duck

               /  October 18, 2018

              I have no theories – it has all become too bizarre to get my head around.
              He seems to have gone off the deep end, with the only plausible motivation to date being that SB promoted him to No 9 on the front bench instead of No 4. (Quelle horreur!)
              I strongly suspect he has some life issues he is going through, but I’m not going to speculate on mental health or sociopathic tendencies.

            • Gezza

               /  October 18, 2018

              Well, I’ve read enuf about his history already to be able to pick someone with a ruthlessly ambitious streak, an inflated ego, slick charm, & few scruples.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 18, 2018

            I did read the article.

            It’s incredibly stupid to sleep with someone you work with, under any circumstances. It’s bound to end in tears,

            If you know that the man is married, then the more fool you if you sleep with him. You are betraying his wife. Sisterhood, schmisterhood,

            • High Flying Duck

               /  October 18, 2018

              All of which is a different argument to “these women…knew what he was like as a person”.
              Whatever the morals of the relationships, he turned out to be abusive and manipulative (if the women are to be believed). This is what they are upset about.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 18, 2018

              Well, he’s a married man, he wants a bit on the side….he’s obviously not a loyal husband. What did they expect from a married man? He’s shown that he’s a dirty dog already.

        • MaureenW

           /  October 18, 2018

          Agree – anyone can say anything about anybody under the cloak of anomymity. I’d have some respect for them if they named themselves.
          Like you Kitty JLR is probably a can of trash – but that’s hardly news.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  October 18, 2018

          It appears two of the four women were bullied workmates that didn’t have an affair with him.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 18, 2018

            My mistake, but the only person who can do anything in these situations is you, as the other person won’t.

  7. Blazer

     /  October 18, 2018

    ‘brutal sex’…our own Donald right here,right here.

    • MaureenW

       /  October 18, 2018

      I haven’t heard any stories related to Donald Trump where brutal sex was mentioned – surely you’re thinking of bubba Clinton?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 18, 2018

        Yes, there are. Ivana Trump’s account makes it seem as if he thinks that being married to someone means anything goes, and it was convincing.

      • Blazer

         /  October 18, 2018

        not sure how you define ‘brutal’ sex….how would you…M?

        • MaureenW

           /  October 18, 2018

          Your comment – you explain the word as it relates to Trump

        • High Flying Duck

           /  October 18, 2018

          Try a google search – let us know how you get on!

        • Blazer

           /  October 18, 2018

          I thought it meant he was old fashioned and used Brut …after shave..to make women go all dizzy with desire. 😉

          • MaureenW

             /  October 18, 2018

            Good to see you’ve got some and hope it works. $11 worth of hope and promise

            • Blazer

               /  October 18, 2018

              no I stick with…Old Spice…works a …treat.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 18, 2018

              I imagine that brutal sex is where the man is rough and crude and uses a woman in a way that makes it clear that he IS just using her. Fucking her, not making love. Treating her like ‘a hole between two legs’ , in other words, not a partner .Using her with contempt.

  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 18, 2018

    An evil sod, isn’t he? How long before he is in court like Slater?

  9. Gezza

     /  October 18, 2018

    The odious Tova O’Brien was just on the AM show hypocritically complaining about so much dirty politics going on,

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 18, 2018

      Tova is the feminine of tove, as in slithy tove.

      • Gezza

         /  October 18, 2018

        She’s certainly been a slimy tova, & gyred and gamboled in this wave.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 18, 2018

          Twas brillig, and the slithy Tova
          Did gyre and gimble in the Beehive.

          Gyre – spin around, gimble – make a hole like a gimlet. A tove is something like a badger, something like a corkscrew and something like something I’ve forgotten.

          Her parents must have known !

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 18, 2018

          I forgot to say that as slithy means lithe and slippery/slimy, that is also very apt.

          Dear Lewis Carroll ! What a gift to Lit. and Lang. he was.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 18, 2018

            Get a grip, PDTs.

            Wankers Anonymous is waiting for you to get in touch.

  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 18, 2018

    More Maori in Parliament, anyone?

  11. duperez

     /  October 18, 2018

    I heard Melanie Reid on RNZ, read her article and read a couple of other reports with the latest revelations.

    One inevitability has already shown itself. There are some over a couple of years who strenuously defended anything to do with Donald Trump’s behaviour when it came to dealings with other people. Any women making claims were ‘making stuff up.’

    In more recent times some of the same people have strenuously defended Brett Kavanaugh. Any women making claims were ‘making stuff up.’

    Now Jami-lee Ross. He has wronged his political party, which is supported by those defenders of Trump and Kavanaugh against any allegations.

    They have, and will have, any allegations against Ross as 100% factual. Their conclusions will have him to be an unfit person for any role anywhere let alone one in public office.

    The sweet realities of politics.

    • PDB

       /  October 18, 2018

      “They have, and will have, any allegations against Ross as 100% factual.”

      Nothing is factual unless proven to be so. For instance in the case of having a consensual affair – does that automatically constitute ‘sexual harassment’?

      What we do know is that JLR has a pattern & history of behaviour that suggests he has some major issues to deal with.

      • Tipene

         /  October 18, 2018

        “Nothing is factual unless proven to be so. For instance in the case of having a consensual affair – does that automatically constitute ‘sexual harassment’?”

        Ummm……………….it seems to depend on who you ask.

        A consensual affair meeting the threshold for sexual harassment was the “honey trap” for Cameron Slater, Jordan Williams, and John Stringer, who (without evidence) accused Colin Craig of sexual harassment against Rachel MacGregor, and who now all continue to suffer for illegitimately doing so.

        It did for Rachel MacGregor, who (without evidence) is quoted as standing “concrete strong” behind her (unproven) allegation of sexual harassment against Colin Craig.

        But it didn’t (and doesn’t) for any of the High Court Judges (and Supreme Court Judges) who heard the multiple cases (and all the available evidence) or the Human Rights Commission (who made no finding on the claim), or Colin Craig’s wife, or the multiple staff who worked with and were intimately acquainted with Craig & MacGregor.

        In the age of #metoo, a woman doesn’t NEED evidence, she just needs to flip up a victim card and make an allegation, for no other reason then she feels rejected and pissed off – the subsequent witch hunt usually takes things from there.

        It is no secret that a woman ashamed of her behaviour after the fact is capable of pressing the cognitive “control, alt, delete” button in her brain, and then re-writing her narrative to fit her “innocent” script.

        • MaureenW

           /  October 18, 2018

          Wonder if the #MeToo movement should change it’s name to #WalkAway? In my opinion the women are as bad as Ross, all knew he was married yet still wanted to jump on the power-train and became “victimised” when they realised they weren’t being offered an exclusive seat.

          • Blazer

             /  October 18, 2018

            he may have told them his marriage was an unhappy one,that he never had sex with his wife anymore…..and he was going to leave her….

            • MaureenW

               /  October 18, 2018

              Gullible and desperate then.

              We’re not talking teenaged girls here -who cares what he told them? They’re as bad as each other.

            • MaureenW

               /  October 18, 2018

              Lol, never has sex with his wife anymore .. she probably doesn’t like him .. understandable.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 18, 2018

              …the marriage is just there for the children’s sake…

          • Blazer

             /  October 18, 2018

            pssst ….he also has a new name…Jami-Sleeze Ross.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  October 18, 2018

            I don’t care he had sex with them, only about his motives and treatment of them. Both seem a pattern far worse than Trump, duperez.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 18, 2018

              His wife doesn’t understand him, it’s a marriage in name only, it’s for the sake of the children….yeah, right, then the wife has another baby, as like as not. Ooops.

              If you have an affair with a married man, don’t whine and ask for sympathy when it goes wrong.

  12. duperez

     /  October 18, 2018

    Melanie Read’s work and Paula Bennett’s efforts have pointed the way forward.

    As well as the Register of members’ interests, or even included as part of it, could be a Register of Personal Relationships. Details could be itemised by the level or degree to which the relationships have developed.

    Whether they’re sexual, in the grooming stage, being used for access to information and power or are part of a process of manipulation would be good to know.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 18, 2018

      Why do you think that adult women are ‘groomed’ like children who are ‘groomed’ by paedophiles, being used or manipulated? This makes women seem like helpless victims of men, and not clever enough to make decisions about having sex with a married man for themselves.

  13. “And yet Bridges promoted him to the front bench!

    National Party = toxic waste pond.”

    Muttonbird@TS

    • PDB

       /  October 18, 2018

      For a change you raise a good point of sorts – the Bridges leadership ticket heavily involved JLR who was his ‘numbers man’ and a close friend. We now know JLR didn’t have the best of reputations within the party and was somewhat of a dodgy character yet Bridges somehow was voted as leader (though only after a 2nd vote).

      If anything the National MP’s have had a wake up call as to how misplaced their vote for leader was, especially if you take into consideration that Bridges was obviously missing vital ingredients to appeal to the general public & his chances of winning a general election very low.

      • robertguyton

         /  October 18, 2018

        If anything, PDB?
        If anything???
        I’d say there’s great deal more than “a wake up call for National MPs” in what’s unfolding in the heart of their party. This ugly business is the natural result of their ugly business and threatens to ruin the lot of them. In any case, if you really believe this is but a wake up call, care to explain why they were … asleep? And why you support a party of somnabulists?

        • Gezza

           /  October 18, 2018

          And yet Bridges promoted him to the front bench!

          Didn’t the Greens promote a benefit fraudster who’d refused to name the father of her child to theirs?

          • robertguyton

             /  October 18, 2018

            Whaddaboutwhaddaboutwhaddabout!
            Pretty low, Gezza; unnecessary and adding nothing to the discussion. If, as you are keen to say and support others for saying, Jami-Lee Ross is a ‘duplicitous, dishonest, conniving, feral little scumbag’, surely Simon Bridges’ elevating him to such a high position in the National Party is cause for comment, with out the need for gratuitous whaddaboutism like yours.

            • Gezza

               /  October 18, 2018

              There’s nothing gratuitous about it. I don’t approve of what Metiria did and neither did many people, including some Greens. So don’t expect to post things here effectively claiming the moral high ground by damning another party for harbouring people who are are obviously liars. Both these individuals we are discussing were no doubt extremely charming con artists.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  October 18, 2018

          Wasn’t Taito Phillip Field a minister in the Clark government?
          (Field was found guilty of 26 charges at the High Court in Auckland. The ten member jury found Field guilty of 11 of the 12 bribery and corruption charges, and 15 of 23 charges relating to attempting to pervert the course of justice.
          On 6 October 2009, Field was jailed for six years on corruption charges, with the sentencing judge saying his offending threatened the foundation of democracy and justice).
          And the young ginger MP who skipped country under a whiffy cloud of sexual misadventure was tipped to be a Labour star at the time…
          Bad apples exist across all political stripes Robert.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 18, 2018

      Muttonbirds are greasy, oily and taste foul.

  14. Strong For Life

     /  October 18, 2018

    This is starting to resemble a Shakespearean tragedy. Jamie-Lee Ross is Iago… a manipulative, jealous, bitter and dangerous man who will stoop to anything for revenge. There will be more blood-letting to come in this saga.

    • robertguyton

       /  October 18, 2018

      Key was Shylock (That’ll fire Kitty up something awful!)

    • Blazer

       /  October 18, 2018

      its spelt…Ego.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 18, 2018

        The Shylock comment was pathetically obvious and not worth being annoyed by. Witless antiSemitism by witless antiSemites is….witless.The crackling of thorns beneath a pot.

        It was also obviously made by someone whose knowledge of the play is non-existent, or all but, and who doesn’t know that the two people are in different plays.

        Shylock, as anyone who has read the play will know, was driven to act as he did.

        ‘Signor Antonio, many a time and oft
        In the Rialto, you have rated me
        About my money and my usances,
        Still have I borne it with a patient shrug,
        For sufferance is the badge of all our tribe.
        You call me misbeliever, cut-throat dog,
        And all for use of that which is mine own.
        Well, then, it now appears you need my help,
        Go to, then; you come to me and you say
        ‘Shylock, we would have moneys.’ you say so;
        You that did void your rheum upon my beard,
        And foot me as you spurn a stranger cur
        Over your threshold: moneys is your suit.
        What should I say to you? Should I not say
        ‘Hath a dog money? Is it possible
        A cur can lend three thousand ducats?’ or
        Shall I bend low, and in a bondsman’s key,
        With bated breath, and whispering humbleness
        Say this:
        ‘Fair sir, you spit on me on Wednesday last,:
        You called me dog, and for these courtesies,
        I’ll lend you thus much moneys?’

        His reason for the pound of flesh that was the bond for the loan….

        ‘ To bait fish withal; if it will feed nothing else, it will feed my revenge, He hath disgraced me, and hindered me half a million; laughed at my losses, mocked at my gains, scorned my nation, thwarted my bargains, cooled my friends, heated mine enemies; and what’s his reason? I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, cured by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same summer and winter as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we shall resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be, by Christian example?
        Why, revenge. The villainy you teach us, I shall execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the example.’

  15. Gezza

     /  October 18, 2018

    Has there been any comment from Lucy?

  16. Gezza

     /  October 18, 2018

    Mikey Hosking gives his carefully balanced assessment of the situation.

    Jami-Lee Ross a ‘duplicitous, dishonest, conniving, feral little scumbag’
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12144416

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 18, 2018

      It is more explicit than my ” evil sod” but possibly unnecessarily limited. Likely also brutal, bullying, selfish, sexist and ruthless. So I’ll stick with my two words.

      • Gezza

         /  October 18, 2018

        Sod’s a bit soft, I thought. Marama’s reclaimed word ran through my mind but I dismissed it almost immediately.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  October 18, 2018

          Dunno, sod is a word you can spit as well as snarl. It’s got depth.

          • High Flying Duck

             /  October 18, 2018

            How the hell do you manage to spit the word Sod? Sod is about as strong a word as duffer. Feral scumbag is cliche’d but accurate.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 18, 2018

              Ok, maybe hiss more than spit. Ross is the sort of sod that gives decent feral scumbags a bad name.

            • Griff.

               /  October 18, 2018

              Sod?

              sod
              noun

              1British vulgar slang An unpleasant or obnoxious person.

              1.1with adjective A person of a specified kind.

              1.2 Something that is difficult or causes problems.

              2derogatory, dated A homosexual man.

              Word origin of ‘sod’
              C19: shortened from sodomite

              https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sod
              Even if few are aware of its roots and implied meaning it is not benign .

  17. Rickmann

     /  October 18, 2018

    The Fire That Must Be Fed

    Last night I watched a video interview with Alec Baldwin of SNL fame in which he talked about the #MeToo movement becoming “a fire that must be fed” in that one of his previous female co-stars called him to warn him that she had been getting calls to ask if he had ever been “guilty of sex crimes” with her or other members of the case, and anecdotally, it seems we have a minor industry in the making.

    • MaureenW

       /  October 18, 2018

      My friend follows the #Metoo movement in India, she tells me it’s been turned into a money-making machine. No surprise really.

  18. Zedd

     /  October 18, 2018

    birds of a feather; Bridges & Ross

    • Zedd

       /  October 18, 2018

      one just has a few more ‘feathers’.. but the rest is much the same 😀

  19. Whatever the strategy, it fizzled today. The promised texts with the National Party general manager were released this afternoon and delivered far less than yesterday – approximately nothing in fact.

    The National Party also released the same texts.

    • Gezza

       /  October 18, 2018

      1ewes’s angle was that all four texts released by the National Party showed that they were determined to ensure they complied with the Electoral Finance Act. Ross is just flushing himself down the dunny now.

  20. Gezza

     /  October 18, 2018

    I’ve watched an interview of Simon Bridges about the allegations of the four women on the 1news website.

    So … the view I’ve formed at the moment is that.

    1. Simon Bridges has done nothing wrong. In fact he was at pains to ensure nothing was done wrong.

    2. Simon Bridges had no idea who the leaker of his travel details was. He wrongly suspected an external leaker. He had no idea who the “mental” texter/leaker was. But then he knew it was internal.

    3. Simon Bridges did not suspect Jami-Lee Ross because he trusted him, because he’s fundamentally honest (for a politician) & he trusts most other people, and especially mates, are too, generally. But possibly others had told either Paula or Simon they suspected him.

    4. Melanie Reid leaked to Paula she’d been investigating him & what had been established. This really was news to Paula and Simon. It really was something they wanted dealt with on the spot. By now he was a suspect (I would think the enquiry included some update briefings) and this was the opportunity to give Ross a threat and an out.

    5. Simon and Paula knew Reid and the women would “go public” with the allegations before Ross could return at Christmas, by which time he would be neutralised.

    6. Ross thinks he can talk his way out of the allegations as no one will come forward. He thought he had nothing to lose. Someone was telling him he didn’t. It was what he wanted to hear.

    7. Jami-Lee has been white-anting & setting up Bridges and his supporters at Party HQ for months and is now universally reviled for being a morally bankrupt arsehole (which he wasn’t actually expecting) from which there is no way back.

    8. Simon has been made to look naive as well as ineffective and while he has sympathy from his caucus colleagues they know he cannot lead them into the next election. And he will soon realise that too, because he might be slow but he’s basically loyal to the party and he will accept the inevitable advice that they can’t win with him. A rat has brought him down.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 18, 2018

      Agree with all except the last sentence. The polls will break him or save him – nothing else. Will have to wait for them as we would have had to anyway.

      • Gezza

         /  October 18, 2018

        I think he will get a sympathy fillip in the polls but if 1ewes’s “person-in-the-street” interviews were anything to go by it won’t last long. He was failing to come across as anything but a shallow moaner (like Andy) every time he got a sound-bite and his deadpan delivery and continual obfuscations on interviews were chronically suspect – he was just being super-cautious because they had no policies yet – but it made him seem shifty.

        He would have to completely revamp his style to be able to recover permanently in public polls and I don’t think he can do it, Alan. I haven’t voted National & I haven’t concluded the current government coalition will crash yet so I’m not wedded ideologically to the idea they must, like you.

        I think he’s a risk the Nats may decide is not worth taking but he can bow out & stay on with his dignity intact.

        • Gezza

           /  October 18, 2018

          Ross implied in his “stand up” outside the cop shop yesterday that he could “lift the bedsheets” on some reporters, but he wouldn’t stoop that low. Now that we know how low he can stoop, it might be delightful irony if he was able to lift a bedsheet on Tova.

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