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19 October 2018


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  1. PartisanZ

     /  October 19, 2018

    Ahhhh … Labour Weekend … the Southern Hemisphere’s equivalent to … Easter …

  2. PartisanZ

     /  October 19, 2018

    Watched last 2 episodes of ‘UNcharted’ on Prime, Sam Neill ‘In the Wake of Cook’ …

    An indigenous academic expert ‘Keeper of Traditional Hawaiian Knowledge’ describes the good Captain as “a tubercular, syphilitic racist” …

    Based on Episodes 5 & 6 the show seemed quite balanced to me.

  3. PDB

     /  October 19, 2018

    Not sure if discussed on here previously but apparently in the health sector only a Maori can help a Maori…


    During the hearings, over 50 witnesses will testify – but they will have just 15 minutes to state their case with a few exceptions. All will argue the system needs Māori values to fix inequity and improve Māori health.”

    “Royal plans to push for either a national Māori DHB or a standalone Māori hauora or health system based on matauranga or Māori knowledge.
    “Those solutions need to be Māori led, adequately resourced, supported by government,” says Royal.”

    • Corky

       /  October 19, 2018

      What Maori need is to take responsibility for their own health. That Maori can only benefit from a Maori focused health system is bs.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 19, 2018

        I found it impossible to believe that Maori babies are not revived because of racism as someone claimed.

        Ambulance drivers don’t ask what colour the person is before they help them, nor do hospitals.

        When I was last in hospital, the Maori woman in the ward had the same treatment as everyone else….this happened when I was in the time before that. There was no better treatment for Pakehas.

        Two systems would be unworkable. Where would my former neighbours go ? The children are bi-racial.

        • PDB

           /  October 19, 2018

          Obviously if they have some Maori blood Kitty they go to the Maori hospital staffed by only Maori practising only Maori medicine (no written language of course to be found on site which makes things a little confusing and no organ donations occur so instead of a new kidney you have to have something made out of flax inserted instead) -otherwise if they go to an ordinary hospital they are more likely to die or at very best be racially abused by the staff.

          Simple choice really.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 19, 2018

            That sounds most inviting and would be sure to be very popular.

            A local kaumatua and a man who is on the Health Board were totally unimpressed when they heard that the only meningitis warning posters that I saw at Waikato Hospital were in Maori. They both said much the same thing; that this was too serious an issue for PC and that the warnings should be in a language that everyone can understand.

            As a former student nurse, I never saw any racism among the Pakeha staff towards Maori patients. Nor was their treatment inferior.

  4. The Consultant

     /  October 19, 2018


    Global CO2 emissions from energy in 2017 grew by 1.6%, rebounding from the stagnant volumes during 2014-2016, and faster than the 10-year average of 1.3%.

    Bloody Yanks and their capitalism, hunger for profits and … oh wait!

    The largest increase in carbon emissions in 2017 came from China (1.6%), a reversal from the past three years when the largest increases in emissions came from India. China’s emissions in 2017 were 0.3% higher than the previous peak in 2014. China has had the world’s largest increments in carbon emission every year this century except in four years – 2000 and between 2014-16.

    The next highest increment came from India where emissions rose by 4.4%, though lower than its 10-year average (6% p.a.).

    Together, China and India accounted for nearly half of the increase in global carbon emissions.EU emissions were also up (1.5%) with just Spain accounting for 44% of the increase in EU emissions.

    I guess that’s why a recent report from the Climate Action Network Europe found that EU emissions cuts were “nowhere close enough” to meet the goals of the Paris accord. More windmills and solar panels: that’s the ticket.

    Meanwhile in the land of rapacious greed:

    …the U.S. led the world in emissions cuts for the ninth time this century,…
    … Based on data from more than 8,000 large facilities, EPA found greenhouse gas emissions, mostly carbon dioxide, fell 2.7 percent from 2016 to 2017. Emissions from large power plants fell 4.5 percent from 2016 levels, according to the EPA….
    ….Earlier this year, the Energy Information Administration reported that per-capita greenhouse gas emissions hit a 67-year low during Trump’s first year in office.

    Amazing what productivity and technology can do when they’re pushed by capitalism. We won’t get the chance here in NZ but if you meet a Fracker today, give them a hug and say thanks for helping.

    BTW – the poster child of virtue signalling, Germany, recently announced that it will miss its 2020 emission reduction targets. They’ve pushed them back to 2030.

  5. Corky

     /  October 19, 2018

    I was talking to a midwife last night. Out of the blue I asked her if midwives had problems with Muslim women giving birth. She said for some of them they did. Some Muslim women refused to wear appropriate clothing. That made the midwives job difficult. Husbands could also be a problem. In one incident a husband demanded his wife not scream. Another husband was in the birthing suite but refused to see the baby come out.

    For balance I provide this PDF. But even this document that’s supportive of Muslims shows unintentionally the problems Muslims bring to the West. For example this document covers prayer rooms, food and women doctors to name a few headings. Problems that shouldn’t even be a considerations especially when you are receiving free medical care.

    Meanwhile, Indonesia shows its appreciation to Australia for their half billion dollars of aid money. When will Infidels learn… Muslims want your country and chattels..but they don’t want you.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 19, 2018

      Yet more sensationalist distortions from Corky. These articles don’t say that at all, needless to say .At one point the first one says that women prefer women doctors regardless of their religion, and that Muslim women accept it when they have to see a male doctor….and so on….

      The embassy story is not what it is made out to be, either.What a surprise.There is nothing about Muslims wanting ‘your country and chattels…but (not you)’

      I have yet to hear a Muslim use the word infidel (lower case, it’s not a name like Catholic or Mormon)

      • Corky

         /  October 19, 2018

        Excerpts I forgot to highlight from the report.

        ”However, most Muslim women felt that being treated by male
        health professionals was profoundly upsetting and
        contradicted hiya and purda.”

        ”The health professionals in our study said that the attendance
        of a female doctor was one of the most frequent requests
        made by Muslim parents. However, some felt that Muslim men
        were more opposed to having a male doctor than Muslim

        “It is quite uncomfortable because it is not like a lady, it is a
        man and you are wearing the hijab and then you have to get
        your tummy out for a man… It is uncomfortable… It is just the
        feeling of it.”

        That’s what the midwife also told me.

        ”Some women said they had requested a separate room as
        part of their birth plan but that the request had been ignored. ”

        ”However, most thought the halal food they were given was
        extremely poor quality and that Muslim women were given
        little choice:
        “The halal food is not really edible. I found there is more
        choice in a school dinner. ” moment..let me get a chef.

        ”Once my husband asked about praying. Again it is a matter
        of ignorance, you know, they don’t know I asked and they
        said, ‘Yes, down the stairs in the chapel. ‘It is just a matter of
        introducing it because now in the university they have praying
        rooms. ”

        Demand..Demand.. Demand.

        “I had issues regarding bleeding and when I was meant to be
        praying … Is this postnatal bleeding or menstrual bleeding?
        From what she [her sisler-in-Iaw] told me I was able to decide
        to pray or not. If I had asked someone who was not Muslim, a
        doctor who was not Muslim, they would be wondering why I
        am asking these questions.”

        Correct. Nobody else does. No doubt this women would want to live in a Muslim conclave.

        • Corky

           /  October 19, 2018


          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 19, 2018

            Mendires ergo cortex est.

            Request and demand are not the same thing for most people.Distortions as usual.

            I didn’t read any demands, simply opinions and requests such as many people make; there;s no harm in asking. If someone asked here, as I did, if they can stay in A & E until morning, that’s a request, not a demand.

            I would be very surprised if your midwife exists in real life.

            • Corky

               /  October 19, 2018

              Apologies. As you know I don’t reply to trolls. My mistake posting to you.
              What you believe is none of my business.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 19, 2018

              You are a troll, and to you anyone who dares to disagree with your warped views is a troll. As few people agree with you, I suggest that the troll is you, not other people;

              The fact that something is none of your business has not restrained you in the past.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 19, 2018

          At no point did anyone demand a Muslim prayer room (needless to say) Prayer rooms/chapels are for everyone (again needless to say)

          There is no evidence that nobody asks about postnatal bleeding and its nature. I find it very hard to believe that this woman is the first to ask this question. Your ignorance of the reason why a Muslim or Jewish woman would want to know this for religious reasons is showing.

  6. PartisanZ

     /  October 19, 2018

    What will be the long-term and ‘ultimate’ costs, and possible unforeseen consequences of “a billion trees”, especially if 90+ percent of them are Radiata Pine?

    And now this – ‘Billion trees drive could threaten mānuka industry’ – Newsroom

    “The creation of hybrid mānuka, bred primarily for honey production, has been championed by the industry and government. De Lange fears hybrids could breed with wild mānuka and the potency of wild mānuka’s properties could be compromised.”

  7. Blazer

     /  October 19, 2018

    this is what lifes all about…an achievement/success ..a life in..sausages..

  8. Corky

     /  October 19, 2018

    Good to see Anti Vaxxers fighting the decision that saw their billboard taken down.

    The simple truth is far too many parents take health authorities word as gospel that vaccines are well tested and safe.

    In fact the billboard was about vaccine ingredients and wasn’t anti vaccination per se. Although to be fair, that is the only logical conclusion one can come to if you believe the billboard.

    However, once again we have a freedom of speech issue. What next.. climate change deniers being shut up? That has already been suggested by one climate change scamming journalist.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  October 19, 2018

      The billboard, like all the anti-vaxxer arguments was full of shit and needed to be taken down. Simple as that. These people ignore science and put children at risk.

      • Corky

         /  October 19, 2018

        Bullshit. You miss the point. I dealt with this when I dealt to Griff. It’s about science. I don’t care what these people do..or what you do. I care about parents being fully informed. All parents, no matter their stance on this issue must live with their choice.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 19, 2018

      It seemed to be carefully worded to give a misleading impression without actually saying that the ingredient in vaccinations are dangerous. It was very disingenuous indeed.

      It was placed near a hospital, I suspect not by chance.

      It is difficult to see how someone can be anti the ingredients and not anti the product.

  9. Kitty Catkin

     /  October 19, 2018

    I hear that Labour are going to allow non-registered ‘teachers’ to….teach. Just what they condemned the Charter Schools for doing. The teaching will be limited (I suppose that they would let me teach literature, languages and history but not maths and science) but I can’t see it being too popular with the teachers’ unions. What if the unregistered ones demand the same pay as the registered ones?