How Jami-Lee Ross stands in Parliament now

On Tuesday Jami-Lee Ross stated that he intended resigning from the National Party and from Parliament (he said ‘on Friday’). He has since reneged on that commitment. What is his current position in Parliament?

Sitting date: 16 Oct 2018

SPEAKER’S RULINGS

Jami-Lee Ross

SPEAKER: Under Standing Order 35(1)(c), I have been advised by the senior Opposition whip that the National Party’s parliamentary membership has changed and that Jami-Lee Ross is no longer a member of the National Party for parliamentary purposes. Accordingly, under Standing Order 34(5), Jami-Lee Ross is, from 16 October 2018, regarded as an Independent member for parliamentary purposes.

Another seating plan: https://www.parliament.nz/media/5252/house-seating-plan-as-at-17-october-2018.pdf

While that is at the far back of the Opposition side Ross may sit uneasily beside and behind his ex-colleagues. He must be just about the least trusted MP ever.

Officially he still seems to be on two select committees. He lost most of his responsibilities when he went on leave at the start of the month.

Ross has been removed the National Party ‘team’ website page.

Presumably he is still theoretically operating as an electorate MP, but he may be isolated there too.

I don’t know how Ross will be able to function in Parliament or as an electorate MP.

Added:

Newsroom:  National mulls party-hopping action as Ross clings on

National says it is considering its options – including whether to use the controversial “party-hopping” law – following rogue MP Jami-Lee Ross’s decision to cling on to his seat in Parliament.

Earlier in the week, Ross had said he would resign from Parliament on Friday and contest a by-election in his Botany seat as an independent.

However, in an interview with Newstalk ZB and subsequent remarks on Twitter, he said National had “changed the rules”, alleging the party’s involvement in a Newsroom investigation into his conduct towards women, and said he would stay on as an MP and “continue speaking out about the internal operations of the National Party”.

Ross’s decision has now raised the spectre of whether National and its leader Simon Bridges will use the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Act, legislation it has opposed bitterly, to force their MP out before he does further damage.

Electoral law expert Graeme Edgeler said under the legislation it was up to Bridges and the National caucus, not Speaker Trevor Mallard, to determine whether Ross had distorted and would continue to distort the proportionality of Parliament.

If the caucus voted by at least a two-thirds majority in support of using the party-hopping legislation, after Ross was given the required 21 working days’ notice to respond to his potential expulsion, Bridges could then deliver a letter to Mallard which would trigger Ross’s removal from Parliament and a by-election in his Botany seat.

There will no doubt be more said about what Ross may be allowed to do.

 

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59 Comments

  1. Blazer

     /  October 20, 2018

    go to the back of the ..class..wheres the dunce hat.?

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  2. PartisanZ

     /  October 20, 2018

    Forget waka jumping …

    Jamie-Lee Ross speaks out, “There’s a lot of bed-hopping in Parliament” …

    ‘Volatile but not abusive: National MP Jami-Lee Ross speaks out about affair with fellow MP’ – NZHeraldo

    ” … his behaviour was no worse than many others in Parliament … Half the Beehive were having inappropriate relationships, he said, but until now, that aspect of political life had been off limits.

    … he wants to expose the “rotten, awful things” that have happened in the National Party – including “hits” against those who got off-side with the leaders, he said.”

    OMG … this guy’s out to destroy the very fabric of democracy as we know it!

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 20, 2018

      Looks more like Monty Python’s limbless knight still mouthing off as he goes down.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  October 20, 2018

        Good analogy Alan …

        But, to extend it, he’s still perceived as being a Knight of the Blue Round Table … if you get my drift?

        Hack away National!

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  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 20, 2018

    How often does he have to turn up to keep collecting his salary? Will he actually get any speaking rights?

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    • Gezza

       /  October 20, 2018

      I dunno how the General Debate works but I expect he has a right to speak in those debates and also on any legislation and that’s probably the time to slip in the poison. Journos would be detailed from the Parliamentary Press Pack in shifts to monitor him.

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  4. David

     /  October 20, 2018

    Be great if he dished the dirt on all withing the parliamentary precinct, including journalists. Far too many politicians and journos spouting holier than thou messages over the years so it would be fun to expose the moral cesspit.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 20, 2018

      Couldn’t agree more David … The moral cesspit we elect to govern us!

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  5. Gezza

     /  October 20, 2018

    From my quick scan of the Electoral Integrity Act last night Bridges should just trigger it with an appropriate notice to the Speaker and his seat becomes vacant. As I’ve said before, the delicious irony will cause a few grins and sneers from the usual suspects but I reckon Bridges would have near universal support for kicking this rat Ross out of the place.

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    • I think most MPs and parties (Peters and his toadies a possible exception) would fully support National getting Ross chucked out. A few journalists too.

      What Ross doesn’t seem to understand is the breadth and depth of dislike of what he has done and what he is threatening. He has managed to suck the media into playing his game so far, but if the media feel threatened – as they should – that may quickly change.

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    • I doubt Bridges will do any kicking. His party and mass of advisers might however. Bridges is a bit player, as you’ve noted previously (in other words).

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      • Some people rise to big challenges. Bridges may do that (or may not, too early to tell).

        And I think it’s fair to mention others here – Ardern rose to a huge challenge and came out successful and looking much better. In comparison, Turei fell at her first big challenge as a party leader, and that was self inflicted.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 20, 2018

          Neither Ardern’s nor Turei’s challenges really compare though do they PG?

          They didn’t try to take their own party down with them …

          IMHO, the real danger is that important issues of Electoral Law Reform and Chinese influence will get lost amid puerile sex scandal …

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          • Gezza

             /  October 20, 2018

            I’d be a bit concerned if I was JLR that someone in that Chinese community knows someone who knows someone.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 20, 2018

        Botany deserves a functioning MP.

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        • Blazer

           /  October 20, 2018

          functioning…’Viagra it won’t make you Jami-Lee Ross,but it may make you….roger moore.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 20, 2018

            BLAzerrr.…that’s a terrible pun. (makes mental note to use it)

            Was it you who gave all the ways to save money on petrol ? I couldn’t find them again.

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  6. Blazer

     /  October 20, 2018

    SEX…you can’t hide from the it….hardwired in men and women..all done in the best…possible taste.

    Humans are naturally polygamous.
    The construct of the nuclear family,the american dream represses natural instincts.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 20, 2018

      The excuse of serial rooters everywhere. Might work on Muslim women but plenty of women are naturally not happy to learn their bloke has been having it off with someone else, especially if they haven’t because the deal was they both wouldn’t.

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      • Blazer

         /  October 20, 2018

        that may well be the ‘deal’….the average woman has 37 sexual partners apparently.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 20, 2018

          Where was that survey done? Sounds like California?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  October 20, 2018

            Might be a distribution where the average is some distance from the median in that two rather different life-style populations are being sampled.

            That said, these self-reported case studies may suggest that those populations are merging: casualsexproject.com

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 20, 2018

      Excellent point Blazer …

      It’s possible that sex is NOT a measure of moral compass, except in [powerful] religious doctrines inimical to life?

      So whether any political party or even so-called Western democracy as we know it is a ‘broad church’ or not, I broadly blame the Church …

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 20, 2018

        Ross is just trying to use sex as a distraction from his abuse. And abusing more people in the process.

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        • robertguyton

           /  October 20, 2018

          National is just trying to use sex talk as a distraction from the revelations about them JLR has made and is still to make. Every attempt to discredit him will be made, and sex is the easiest to catch the public’s attention with.

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          • What has National said about the sex aspect since Bennett’s ‘married’ comment early in the week?

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            • robertguyton

               /  October 20, 2018

              Their people will be fanning those flames furiously. Paula Bennett certainly didn’t hold back, did she.

            • Actually I think she did hold back in the main. I don’t know what you saw.

          • Gezza

             /  October 20, 2018

            Well why not? It’s become perfectly obvious Ross from those conversations and texts already leaked by Ross that he’s been at it for months trying to entrap people within his own party, not just the leader, for the purposes of blackmailing them to do what he wants.

            While people these days aren’t really all that concerned learning that someone has had affairs (most of us know couples who’ve split over them, & plenty of cases where people have been assaulted & even murdered over them), when someone’s married that involves a promise to forsake all others.

            Unless it’s been or become a mutually accepted “open marriage”, an affair is breach of trust. And what Ross has done is numerous & gross breaches of trust. So it’s just one more nail in his coffin with the public.

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            • robertguyton

               /  October 20, 2018

              Ross has broken trust with his wife? Should that be news? If so, should every politician in the same position be exposed?

            • Gezza

               /  October 20, 2018

              No – but I don’t particularly care if they are. I’m also quite keen to know who the journos are. Why should only Trump & his bimbos get all the praise & attention? There’s nothing like a bit of home-grown sex-scandal to get the public more in interested in “politics” and integrity.

              One of the many reasons I never considered politics was there are things in my background that if they ever surfaced might just wreck my political career. People who enter politics need to seriously consider that before they jump into those high salaries and expense accounts.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  October 20, 2018

            There haven’t been any revelations about National except that they and Bridges seem to have been scrupulously honest. All of Ross’s allegations have evaporated and proved to be baseless lies. You seem to have a lot of difficulty with the truth, Robert.

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            • robertguyton

               /  October 20, 2018

              Your views are cute, Alan.

            • PDB

               /  October 20, 2018

              Stuff.co.nz: “The texts and recordings released so far by Ross have failed to prove any of his claims of electoral fraud. The reverse, in fact – they exonerate National and Bridges.

              But political donations are a murky pool. Some of the mud will stick over his allegations of dodgy donations and big money in politics.

              No one knows how many more recordings and texts there are. But having failed at dragging Bridges down, it is clear the next round of releases from Ross will be uglier and even more personal.”

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/107971088/the-jamilee-ross-saga–dirty-ugly-nasty-politics-with-no-end-in-sight

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 20, 2018

              Polygamy and adultery are quite different.

              In polygamy, the wives know about each other and the husband has to keep them all – and all the children.

              In adultery, the person is married to one person and bonks people to whom they are not married.

              37 partners sounds an awful lot.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 20, 2018

              Hogamous, higamous, man is polygamous,
              Higamous, hogamous, woman’s monogamous.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 20, 2018

              I think that may have been disproved, Kitty.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 20, 2018

      It’d be weird. He’d have to vote with National on everything at the same time as he’s dishing out made-up dirt. Then argue that because he was voting with them he wasn’t changing the proportionality of Parliament. Or something. I expect the Courts might give this one urgency. Unless he’s got something on the judge too. Meantime he’s probably going to have to put up with looking over his shoulder all the time for reporters & people suddenly stopping and examining cracks in the pavement or admiring lamposts or shrubbery, and folk with telephoto lenses and long range mics. His life must absolute shit at the moment and it won’t get any better, whatever he does.

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  8. Zedd

     /  October 20, 2018

    ha ha ha… suffer Natl, in total disarray..
    after all their over hyping about Clare & Meka !

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    • Gezza

       /  October 20, 2018

      That avatar’s not a member of the Saudi royal family is it Zedd?

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      • could be ‘any man’.. maybe even ‘Zedd’ ? 😀

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        • Gezza

           /  October 20, 2018

          Could be MBS. Briefing somebody in a dark room. Hard to say from that angle. Up to you but If I was you I’d change it.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 20, 2018

          Ah good – a wise decision, Zedd. Much better.

          Let’s just both ignore the Saudi who downticked me.

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    • robertguyton

       /  October 20, 2018

      They sure did make much of Clare and Meka, Zedd, all of which has blown away with the bitter winds of a National Party internal holocaust.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 20, 2018

        No, it hasn’t blown away. That’s all still good useable munitions in the ammo box. And the Wally Haumaha thing is still looking like a volatile unexploded bomb that will go off in the NZF caucus room. How on earth did a guy whose Mrs is a crim get to be a police deputy commissioner? The gloves are well and truly off now. NZ politics has got positively toxic and vicious. I will be very disappointed if no bed-hopping journos are revealed. Journos are the ones who’ve happily engineered and profited from all this sleazy shit being flung about.

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  9. Bill Brown

     /  October 20, 2018

    Drum roll………

    It’s [no evidence, no names]

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  10. High Flying Duck

     /  October 20, 2018

    Not a bad write up by Danyl from a “left leaning perspective”. Disagree with his conclusions, although he may not be wrong:

    “…for professional politicians ‘values’ are mostly just a form of marketing: the current government talks about transparency and open democracy but is obsessed with secrecy and cosy with lobbyists; National is supposed to be the party of conservatism and family values and their married-with-kids MPs are having ‘brutal misogynistic sex’ with each other while the president of the party covers up allegations of harassment.

    Most politicians have a strong streak of arrogance. That’s not a bad thing: they need to have confidence in themselves to inspire confidence in others, and that confidence needs to be robust because the political system can be very bruising. Lots of us lose sleep over conflicts at work: imagine if your most vicious critic got to attack you via the national media for several nights a week whenever you did anything wrong. It takes a certain type of person to survive and thrive.

    It’s not unusual for MPs to drift over the line from healthy self-confidence into the oncoming traffic of delusional narcissism. In many ways the parliamentary and party systems incentivise some of the harassment and toxic behaviour Jami-Lee Ross has been accused of. Almost everyone who works for an MP is on an events-based contract, meaning they can be sacked without notice or cause; serious incidents can be settled with confidentiality agreements negotiated via payments from the leaders’ funds; it’s in everyone’s best interest – the MP, the party, the unfortunate staffer with a future career to consider – for everything to be settled quietly. Whichever party you support has or had toxic MPs who were protected by the leadership.

    What makes (JLR) so uniquely terrible?

    Firstly, Ross is really high-functioning. When two of the Green Party’s backbench MPs quit the caucus during last years’ election campaign, they didn’t know how to send a press release or log on to social media, or when the tv deadlines were. Ross, by contrast is a media-trained front-bencher for a major party, and it shows. He dominated the news cycle for three solid days, outperforming his leader during his standups and making plausible accusations against Simon Bridges which – if true – would destroy his leadership, and now look as if they probably aren’t true but might destroy him anyway.

    Second, politicians usually fall out with their rivals, not their confidants. No one really knows if Simon Bridges can survive this because no one’s ever seen a leader of a major party fight a deathmatch against their own former numbers man and senior whip. They’ve never seen it because the consequences of such a thing would be so terrible any leader would do anything they could to avoid it.

    Ross has more tapes of Bridges and – allegedly – his colleagues; he’ll have text messages, emails, maybe screenshots of private social media exchanges. Who knows! Ross’s behaviour is so unpredictable there’s no way to know what he’ll do next or will happen with any of it, but an extended campaign of terror in which he releases bombshells during every National AGM or whenever Bridges makes a policy announcement seems simply unsurvivable. And this isn’t because Bridges is outstandingly flawed: no leader can survive having their conversations with their close advisors made public. That’s right, readers of The Spinoff. Not even her.

    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/20-10-2018/the-uniquely-damaging-betrayals-of-jami-lee-ross/

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 20, 2018

      I don’t rate much of that. All politicians go down eventually unless they die in office. Enoch Powell had it right. Trump has so far survived innumerable private conversations with his advisors made public.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  October 20, 2018

        Trump has survived because he is the anti-politician. That is what upsets his opponents so much – they could never survive a 10th of what has come out about Trump.
        Look at what took down Clare Curren for example.

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  11. duperez

     /  October 20, 2018

    Taking teams away on trips you had to manage who was with whom and why and when, and who were not to be together. Those for best performance advantage and personal need as well as avoid things.

    The discussion in making the seating positions must’ve been fun given the revelations yesterday.

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  12. Gezza

     /  October 20, 2018

    I couldn’t believe the bastard’s only 32. Nature is certainly hitting hitting him hard. Karma, I guess.

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  13. Gezza

     /  October 20, 2018

    1ewes gave it pretty light coverage, focussing on Simon trying to rescue his reputation at a Diwali celebration with his Indian/Asian MPs (one Sikh person-in-the-street not too happy with Simon’s comments, but didn’t seem like he wouldn’t vote National because of it) and then doing some person more in the street interviews in Botany – all obviously loathing Jami-Lee & but still intending to vote National’s new candidate). The angle was National may invoke the waka-jumping law (of course they should) and Simon said he “was considering all options”. They still look pretty safe in Botany. Ross is so reviled now – if the material he’s released so far is his strongest evidence of his allegations it’s backfiring big time.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 20, 2018

      I’m going to hold my nose and see what that little ratbag Tova’s crew do with it on NewShub’s plus one channel. Btw why are all the “comedians” on that channel totally unfunny?

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    • Blazer

       /  October 20, 2018

      l can tell you that staunch Indian supporters of National are incensed by the revelations of Mr Bridges dialogue with Ross.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 20, 2018

        Fair enuf I imagine the National-voting Indians would now all talk to someone as anti-National as you. I must find out what my two Indian dairy owners think. I’ll let you know. We talk politics. One of them’s voted National, the other’s probably a Nat voter too, but obfuscates like Ardern, Peters & Bridges.

        Tv3 gave it a very brief, once-over-lightly, similar sort of coverage – slightly less time actually, but then they’re crappy with a pathetic news set that doesn’t let them do funky 3 D Hologram-like presentations around their news presenters like 1ewes anyway.

        They did have a weird 2 sec clip of David Collings saying that Ross rang up either him or others (that wasn’t clear, because they’re so crappy) and said “in a Darth Vader-like voice”: “I can’t believe you’re willing to throw your political career away”.

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