Jami-Lee Ross “taken into mental health care”

This isn’t surprising. A bit sad in a way, but …

NewstalkZB: Jami-Lee Ross taken into mental health care

Jami-Lee Ross has been taken into mental health care

Newstalk ZB can confirm the rogue National MP was taken in by police.

He was taken to a facility in Auckland.

A spokesperson for the National Party said in a statement: “Over the past several weeks the National Party has taken seriously the mental health concerns raised by Mr Ross and the medical professionals he has been involved with.

“That has included seeking advice from medical professionals and involving Police wherever necessary to ensure support is made available to Mr Ross. It would not be appropriate to comment further.”

When he talked to media on Tuesday and Wednesday, he said that his doctor had cleared him and he was feeling healthy. He rejected comments from National deputy leader Paula Bennett that he was suffering from mental health issues, saying that his doctor had called Bennett to tell her that he was healthy.

It is unclear if Ross was admitted under the Mental Health (Compulsory Assessment and Treatment) Act, which means that someone can be admitted to a safe place and given treatment against their will if their safety is considered at risk.

Something like this seemed kind of inevitable as things spiralled out of control for Ross, politically, personally, credibility-wise – his life had become a real mess.

I hope he gets the care and support he needs.


Update: Andrew Geddis had posted at Pundit on what National’s options were with Ross remaining in Parliament, but he has updated his post after this latest development.

[Update: According to media reports, Jami-Lee Ross has been taken into mental health care (i.e. has not voluntarily committed himself for treatment). This has two consequences for my already written commentary on the party hopping law (which remains in place below):

One, it means that National will almost certainly not use the party hopping law in relation to him. Not because Ross’ commital changes my original legal analysis at all, but rather because no political party is going to force an unwell MP who is undergoing treatment out of Parliament. They just aren’t.

Two, it brings the Electoral Act 1990, s 55(1)(i) into play, in that Ross’ seat automatically becomes vacant “if he … becomes mentally disordered, as provided in section 56.” I am not knowledgable enough regarding mental health law to comment in any detail on this possibility, so I’ll reproduce s 56 here for you to see:

(1) Where a member of Parliament is, or is deemed to be, subject to a compulsory treatment order made under Part 2 of the Mental Health (Compulsory Assessment and Treatment) Act 1992, the court by which the order is made shall, as soon as may be, give a notice to the Speaker of the making of the order.

(2) Where a member of Parliament is received or detained in a hospital in accordance with an inpatient order made under Part 2 of the Mental Health (Compulsory Assessment and Treatment) Act 1992, the person in charge of that hospital shall, as soon as may be, give notice to the Speaker of the reception or detention.

(3) Where the Speaker receives a notice under subsection (1) or subsection (2), the Speaker shall forthwith transmit the notice to the Director-General of Health, who, together with some medical practitioner named by the Speaker, shall without delay visit and examine the member to whom the notice relates, and shall report to the Speaker whether the member is mentally disordered.

(4) If the report is to the effect that the member is mentally disordered the Speaker shall, at the expiration of 6 months from the date of the report if Parliament is then in session, and, if not, then as soon as may be after the date of the commencement of the next ensuing session, require the said Director-General, together with the said medical practitioner or some other medical practitioner named by the Speaker, again to visit and examine the member; and, if they report that he or she is still mentally disordered, the Speaker shall forthwith lay both reports before the House of Representatives, and thereupon the seat of the member shall be vacant.

So, in essence, if Ross gets committed into compulsory mental health care by a Family Court Judge, and if he’s still in that care six months from now, then his seat becomes vacant at that point.]

Ross, Bridges and the party hopping law (updated for recent developments)


Update 2 – NZH  Jami-Lee Ross ‘sectioned’ to mental health facility in Auckland

Jami-Lee Ross has been sectioned to an Auckland mental health facility, following a tumultuous week in which he traded insults and allegations with the National Party and came clean to his wife about extra-marital affairs.

Ross was taken in by police on Sunday afternoon, and a source close to Ross told the Herald that Ross was “not in good shape” and “had been sectioned … people who go willingly aren’t sectioned”.

Under the Mental Health Act, a person can be sectioned to a safe place against their will and given treatment if their safety is considered at risk.

But the source told the Herald that the National Party was warned about pushing Ross too far on Monday, when Bridges and Bennett met with Ross about the PwC inquiry into Bridges’ leaked travel expenses.

Concerns were raised about Ross’ mental health three weeks ago, when Ross took leave from Parliament for “personal health issues” and later said he had a mental breakdown over being accused of inappropriate behaviour towards women.

Ross’ doctors were in contact with Bridges and Bennett and, the source said, “were told if any more pressure or stress was headed his way, there was a real likelihood of this incident [being sectioned] occurring”.

“Two weeks later, when they confronted him about the report of the leak, the medical advice was reiterated. And they said they were going to release the information in half an hour.”

A very difficult thing for National to deal with. They are likely to get hammered no matter how they dealt with it.

 

 

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131 Comments

  1. Kitty Catkin

     /  October 21, 2018

    I hope he does.

    Mental illness is ghastly for all involved.

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  2. artcroft

     /  October 21, 2018

    Not going to be a short stay either.

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  3. Ray

     /  October 21, 2018

    I definitely hope he does, everything he has touched and said this last wee while have not looked like the things someone does if they are in control
    Over on Twitter apparently the Lefties think it is all Nationals fault and they should have seen the signs and known how to deal with this breakdown .
    Or it is their fault and they have sectioned him, using the police to do their dirty work, and shut him up ( like the Russians used to ).

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    • Corky

       /  October 21, 2018

      Since when have the comrades ever cared about a Tory? Oh, that’s right..when it suits their purpose. As for Jamie himself…surplus to requirements after they have made their point.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 21, 2018

        We don’t have Tories in NZ, they are the UK Conservative Party,

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  4. PDB

     /  October 21, 2018

    Lusk will be disappointed………he’ll need to find some other unfortunate to ruin.

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    • Blazer

       /  October 21, 2018

      no doubt he will be the first one there offering help and support.

      Did anyone notice any signs of mental distress in his behaviour at media standups?

      National will be very sympathetic and give him support and best wishes for a speedy ..recovery.

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      • PDB

         /  October 21, 2018

        His convincing standups when he actually had no evidence to back up his claims, his sense of self-importance/ entitlement & his previous behaviours all seem to point to a distinct personality type.

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 21, 2018

    No quick solution for this self-inflicted personal crisis. Should have actioned his resignation from Parliament first. Has managed to screw up everything he has contact with.

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  6. PartisanZ

     /  October 21, 2018

    He could be clinically insane as far as I’m concerned … and still be saying pertinent, sensible things about Chinese influence, our political system and this so-called ‘democracy’ …

    The two are not mutually inclusive.

    Interesting to see the “He was a Leftie sleeper agent all along” story finally emerge from Ray of all people …

    So the long march through institutions includes Party Political institutions? No National politician is above suspicion of actually being a Leftie now!

    Why would the Leftie ‘Central Committee’ or whoever you think is the baddie here Ray, why would they want to shut him up?

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    • PDB

       /  October 21, 2018

      JLR obviously got very bad political advice which played on his poor mental state and need for revenge on those he blamed for his own self induced problems. The people he turned to for advice/ support appear to have attempted to use him to settle their own old scores with the National party without any regard for the mental state of JLR.

      There is zero evidence produced by JLR to date to back up his extravagant claims – wanting and actually getting seats on a party list are quite different things. JLR is still yet to admit he was the leaker with the fragile mental state & what he said was evidence of wrongdoing instead showed people within the National party doing things as you’d expect. The one woman who took her complaint of harassment regarding Ross to National says she was very happy with the way the party handled the issue.

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      • Blazer

         /  October 21, 2018

        So why are the Police now involved?

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        • PDB

           /  October 21, 2018

          Not sure Blazer – self harm risk? Give them a call and let us know what they say.

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          • Blazer

             /  October 21, 2018

            still not a Police matter..send medics.

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          • Blazer

             /  October 21, 2018

            so he has been sectioned…who made the diagnosis?

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            • Corky

               /  October 21, 2018

              Come on, Blazer. Obviously a doctor would. Oh, the Tories paid the doctors off and Key offered said doctor the use of his Hawaiian hideaway.

              I’m this Blogs conspiracy theorist. Best leave that type of stuff to me.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 21, 2018

              Get with the program Corky … Ross was a Leftie sleeper-agent activated by some insipid, shadowy (and apparently wealthy) ‘Commie’ group to expose Commie interference in the National Party … their best chance to govern …

              Ah … shit … runs out of sense …

              Anyway, it’s part of the Long March through Institutions … because its not enough for it to be Ross’s own fault … It has to be the Left who’s to blame …

            • Corky

               /  October 21, 2018

              You are yawing away from reality, Parti. Pull sideways on the joystick and cut your throttle.

          • Blazer

             /  October 21, 2018

            ‘“Anyone who believes that a person may be suffering from a mental disorder may at any time fill out an application form asking the Director of Area Mental Health Services for an assessment of the person.”

            Call 111..hey Roy..someones at the..door.

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      • Ray

         /  October 21, 2018

        PDB I think you have absolutely (to quote our PM) nailed this.
        The poor beggar has been running in ever decreasing circles, hopefully he will get some good help.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 21, 2018

      Mutually EXclusive, Parti?

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    • Ray

       /  October 21, 2018

      PartisanZ I was quoting the Lefty Bomber and a couple of others, who was floating the idea that the Nats had Ross Sectioned á la Russia

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  7. Blazer

     /  October 21, 2018

    So its a Police matter now…hope they’re not taking him to an Embassy.

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  8. Gezza

     /  October 21, 2018

    I hope he gets the care and support he needs.

    I do too, if it is a genuine breakdown – but I also hope this is not a ploy. I don’t want to sound callous but this is a common strategy from some destructive people with a certain type of personality that includes narcissistic traits but also others – one of which is to engineer sympathy and make victims look & feel guilty for their own dreadfully destructive behaviours when challenged or exposed.

    I heard and seen enuf of what Ross is like. I am reserving judgement. I’ve suffered mental breakdown and know plenty of others who have too. He bounced back to full function and cognitive clarity far too quickly from the last claimed episode for me not to be suspicious about this.

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    • PDB

       /  October 21, 2018

      Stuff.co.nz: “Stuff has been told by a source close to Ross that the MP was taken to a mental health unit in Auckland late on Saturday evening after police visited him at his Botany electorate office.

      It is understood that Ross does not have his phone but Stuff was told he has been in contact with friends to say he was carrying on his fight against the National Party.”

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      • Blazer

         /  October 21, 2018

        ‘friends’!

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      • Gezza

         /  October 21, 2018

        Sounds right.

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      • Blazer

         /  October 21, 2018

        ex Police man and Lusk client…

        ‘Checkpoint
        19 October at 17:47 •
        National MP Mark Mitchell says Jami-Lee Ross’ decision making is completely erratic and he’s concerned about his mental health and stability.

        “It just appears to me Jami-Lee has pushed the self-destruct button on himself …” – this follows Mr Ross pledging to remain in Parliament, admitting to having an affair with a married MP and releasing a second secret recording:’

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    • Corky

       /  October 21, 2018

      It’s entirely possible. I know a person who talked his way out of prison. He had an overpowering personality. I was with him when he bought an early dos computer ( early 90s)
      He shaved $100 of the price; had a printer and paper added free,too. He went on to sell Kirby vacuum cleaners and was area manager within a month. He suddenly left the area late one night and asked me if I wanted his dog.

      Who knows what Jamie is, or isn’t, capable of?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 21, 2018

      @Gezza, my missus had the same suspicion. I’m not sure. Could be bipolar highs and lows.
      Those can swing pretty fast.

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      • It can be very tricky. Mental health problems can swing drastically and can be terrible to deal with for those who are suffering and those close to them.

        But some people with mental health issues can be very manipulative and mask things and play seriously risky games as well.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 21, 2018

        @ Alan -I think the manipulative behaviour is too dominant and consistent, & there seem to possibly be lies & misrepresentations specifically aimed to discredit or control others – not a feature of bipolar in my experience. What does she think?

        Bipolar in my whanau. Overwhelming egoism is there and unrealistic expectations too but there are no reports of previous depressive episodes for this guy & in the bipolar sufferer I know best he functions best slightly hypomanic – which is annoying but tolerable if you understand it and preferable to his full on manic episodes or the depressive crash. Lies when manic are to evade hearing he is manic and avoid treatment because he’s doing fantastic everybody says so you don’t know what you are talking about. Not to manipulate. He’s disappeared off the grid once to avoid MH workers.

        This guy? Sociopath possibly, they’re difficult to separate from psychopaths I understand – the first is caused by circumstances, the second you’re born with. Background events can cause sociopathy. Would be interesting to see school reports.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  October 21, 2018

          Still think bipolar is entirely possible. Doesn’t excuse his actions though.

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          • Gezza

             /  October 21, 2018

            Ok but to my mind his crash was too mild or non-existent and his recovery tio high functioning too quick. But I accept I’m no expert and it’s a complex disorder. I think I’m quite likely bipolar but I’m fortunate that the crashes are years apart and it’s mild.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 21, 2018

              We don’t really know the timescale of that recovery. It might be far longer than you are assuming.

            • Gezza

               /  October 21, 2018

              There are features of his reported behaviour that I don’t find in the diagnostic material I’ve read as they go back some way but let’s face it neither of us is a clinician and these days with each new edition the DSM is getting more and more complicated with concurrent and overlapping disorders being frequently diagnosed.

            • PDB

               /  October 21, 2018

              The issue that really muddies the waters in this regard is the influence of Lusk who has no limits in terms of how low he would stoop in order to ‘win’. All this could just as easily be a Lusk ruse to blame National (specifically Bennett and Bridges) for making Ross contemplate suicide and the like, something Lusk’s mate Slater was very quick to push as soon as the news of Ross being admitted to hospital broke.

  9. PDB

     /  October 21, 2018

    I think it obviously that Slater and JLR have the same personality type…

    Cameron Slater on Whaleoil an hour ago talking about Simon Bridges: “Not after developments today, where it will come out that he ignored medical advice and hounded a man to make an attempt on his life. He’s done, and I will make sure he never leads anything ever again,Paula Bennett is toast too.”

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    • So he’s claiming it’s all National’s fault. But we know he has a strong anti-National and anti-Bridge agenda.

      It was an extremely difficult situation for National to deal with. I have no idea whether anything they did was inappropriate along the way, or anything inexcusable, but taking Slater’s word would be one of the last things I would do. He is so compromised.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 21, 2018

        Has anyone asked Tova for comment? I don’t watch tv3 on account of being too mentally stable at the moment.

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      • PDB

         /  October 21, 2018

        NZ Herald is going the same route: “Ross was taken in by police on Sunday afternoon, and a source close to Ross told the Herald that Ross was “not in good shape” and “had been sectioned … people who go willingly aren’t sectioned”.

        Under the Mental Health Act, a person can be sectioned to a safe place against their will and given treatment if their safety is considered at risk.

        “But the source told the Herald that the National Party was warned about pushing Ross too far on Monday, when Bridges and Bennett met with Ross about the PwC inquiry into Bridges’ leaked travel expenses.

        Concerns were raised about Ross’ mental health three weeks ago, when Ross took leave from Parliament for “personal health issues” and later said he had a mental breakdown over being accused of inappropriate behaviour towards women.

        Ross’ doctors were in contact with Bridges and Bennett and, the source said, “were told if any more pressure or stress was headed his way, there was a real likelihood of this incident [being sectioned] occurring”.

        “Two weeks later, when they confronted him about the report of the leak, the medical advice was reiterated. And they said they were going to release the information in half an hour.”

        The National Party has been approached to further comment.”

        So Ross tells everybody he is fine and then publically throws all sorts of shit at National and National should have just done/ said nothing?

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      • robertguyton

         /  October 21, 2018

        ” I have no idea whether anything they did was inappropriate along the way”
        Goodness me! The naivety is … breathtaking!

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  10. Added to the post:

    Jami-Lee Ross has been sectioned to an Auckland mental health facility, following a tumultuous week in which he traded insults and allegations with the National Party and came clean to his wife about extra-marital affairs.

    Ross was taken in by police on Sunday afternoon, and a source close to Ross told the Herald that Ross was “not in good shape” and “had been sectioned … people who go willingly aren’t sectioned”.

    Under the Mental Health Act, a person can be sectioned to a safe place against their will and given treatment if their safety is considered at risk.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=12146405

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    • david in aus

       /  October 21, 2018

      The National party should do Ross and NZ a favour by triggering a By-election. This guy cannot represent the people of Botany and should be looking after his own health.

      The right thing to do is to remove him from self- inflicted ‘toxicity’ of politics. That is what “Compassionate Conservativism” is about.

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      • david in aus

         /  October 21, 2018

        For the police to be involved, Ross must have threatened to harm himself. It would highly unlikely that Ross would have a Compulsory mental health order against him. The hurdle for this is high, a judge would have to decide that he so mentally disordered that he can not make decisions for himself and order him to be forcibly hospitalized and treated typically with anti-psychotics by injections.

        This should not stop National from forcing a By-election. They can say they do this for his own good. The cover of Mental Health problems is not enough to stop them from doing the right thing.

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  11. “Slater is claiming Ross tried to commit suicide because Bridges drove him to it!! Slater is vowing vengeance on Bridges and Bennett saying that he personally will make sure neither Bridges nor Bennett ever ‘lead anything again.’”

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    • And what weight do you put on what Slater says?

      He has been vowing to deal to Key, Joyce, English, Bennett, Bridges and others for years.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 21, 2018

      Where’s this from?

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      • Thread here:
        https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/10/whaleoil-backchat-1687/#comment-4155145770

        Slater “Watch what comes out over coming days.”

        Is he picking up where Ross left off?

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        • robertguyton

           /  October 21, 2018

          “Muttonbird 37.1
          21 October 2018 at 7:06 pm
          Well. He was a threat to others – the National Party.

          Not any more though.”

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          • Some of the allegations and insinuations on this at The Standard are disgraceful.

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          • robertguyton

             /  October 21, 2018

            ““But the source told the Herald that the National Party was warned about pushing Ross too far on Monday, when Bridges and Bennett met with Ross about the PwC inquiry into Bridges’ leaked travel expenses.”

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            • robertguyton

               /  October 21, 2018

              “He also told how, when allegations were made against former MP Todd Barclay, he was the one sent around to be his “mate” and to push him towards leaving quietly.

              This week, he said, National MP Mark Mitchell visited him with what he alleged was a similar offer.

              “There was a point where I was in my apartment in Wellington laying on the couch … and I realised the same thing was happening to me,” he said.

              “It dawned on me, ‘I know this script, I helped write this script.’”

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 21, 2018

              Pity his doctors didn’t section Ross before he burned down his house and all his bridges if they had his best interests at heart. Not sure why anyone else should have to.tolerate his lies and false accusations in lieu of proper and necessary mental health treatment.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 21, 2018

        What was a happy typo, Alan?

        Laying on the couch? Laying what – eggs, bricks or charges?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  October 21, 2018

          PG fixed it too quickly. I typed “Robery” by accident but then liked it. Seemed to be an appropriate allusion to our
          furry friend’s slippery nefarious contributions.

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          • robertguyton

             /  October 21, 2018

            Everyone else gets [Deleted} – well done, Alan!

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            • It was a fairly obvious typo, y is beside t on the keyboard. I quite often fix obvious typos and on request via a following comment or email.

              How often do you see [deleted] Robert?

            • robertguyton

               /  October 21, 2018

              What was/were the word/s you deleted, Pete? “Unicorns”? “Dead people” “Acts of bravery” Laughing gnomes”?
              It was a very strange question to ask, Pete!

            • I have no idea what you’re getting at here.

              If you’re referring to Alan’s edit I changed Robery to Robert.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 21, 2018

      Slater megalomaniac in chief sounds like he will be joining Ross soon.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 21, 2018

      If true and genuine, artcroft picked it correctly.

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  12. duperez

     /  October 21, 2018

    On one site the nastiness directed towards Ross carries particular venom.

    The perpetrators of daily childish tirades on Jacinda Ardern (who they see as beyond awful) and her despicable, hopeless, government (who they see as beyond awful) temporarily have another target.

    I suppose they’ll settle down and normal transmission will resume with them lamenting the decline of mankind because Ardern is not married and has given birth. The choruses about Ardern being the pioneer of lying while in the Prime Ministerial office and chanting that she has yet in her life to tell the truth will rise quickly enough I suppose.

    Low-lives being the bastions of high morals is quite a spectacle.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 21, 2018

      Low-lives being the bastions of high morals is quite a spectacle.

      Entirely normal. Especially in religious countries.

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  13. robertguyton

     /  October 21, 2018

    ” why was he, and essentially his family, attacked so readily if he is genuinely unwell. ”
    Kiwiblog

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    • Gezza

       /  October 21, 2018

      He wasn’t – he attacked; nobody knew what his problems were about until he held a calculated press conference with a faultless delivery off an incredibly long script supposedly written the night before that a tv series scriptwriter would’ve struggled to put together in that time and said it was false allegations – and they demonstrably weren’t.

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  14. robertguyton

     /  October 21, 2018

    “MrTips

    The Herald are reporting that a “source close to Ross” has told them Ross has been sectioned and its National’s fault, despite the fact Ross’ doctors had told National he could perhaps come back to work.

    We’ll never know who the “source” was but that sounds suspicious to me.”
    KB

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  15. robertguyton

     /  October 21, 2018

    “KJT 22.1.2.2.1
    21 October 2018 at 9:14 pm
    Yep. The real problem is the dishonest vote sellers in National, will now claim it is all “the ravings of the unhinged”. And their authoritarian followers will believe it.”

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    • Gezza

       /  October 21, 2018

      Another mass mind reader? Christ – that site’s full of them. Are they making money at village fairs and town hall appearances?

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  16. robertguyton

     /  October 21, 2018

    “Ffloyd 22.1.2.3
    21 October 2018 at 8:40 pm
    Why is JLR being treated as having mental issues because he is shining a light on the National Party that needs to be shone. Someone mention Key??? Something is rotten in the State of Denmark. We are in murky waters. We need the truth.”

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    • Gezza

       /  October 21, 2018

      We need the truth from every bloody politician about every bleeding cover up and obfuscation but the odds of this happening are pretty fracking slim, imo.

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    • PDB

       /  October 21, 2018

      Surely it wouldn’t be down to being a good organisation and adhering to NZ health and safety regulations that require organisations to provide the best possible care & help in such circumstances…nah!

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  17. robertguyton

     /  October 21, 2018

    “Anne 22.1.2.1.1.1
    21 October 2018 at 7:04 pm
    Well, he and some of his fellow National parliamentarians made the situation a hundred times worse this week. I don’t approve the extent of Ross’ philandering one little bit, but I do know how many politicians get trapped into this scenario and have done since time immemorial. What he did is no worse than many pollies before him.

    It doesn’t absolve him from cheating on his wife, but all the signs are that National have been using it to maximise distraction from the real issue which was their past gerrymandering of donations to evade having to declare them. That is the real scandal to come out of this mess.”

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    • “all the signs are that National have been using it to maximise distraction”

      That’s a fairly way out claim. I think there are more signs that National has struggled to deal with an unfolding train wreck driven by someone with obvious mental health issues.

      Trying to pin political hits on this without any evidence is petty. Some may see some of it as dirty, but at times it is probably more partisan bias.

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      • robertguyton

         /  October 21, 2018

        Or it could be someone (me) adding balance to the discussion here by pasting comments from around the traps; something you claim to support, Pete.

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  18. robertguyton

     /  October 21, 2018

    “Anne 22.1
    21 October 2018 at 6:18 pm
    +100 TFG.

    National showed its true colours this week. They knew (far better than the rest of us) JLR was having a break-down but instead of staying calm, they went out there and made it a thousand times worse. When it came to the crunch they were all about themselves and didn’t give a damm about JLR.

    Watch them change over the next 24hrs. All of a sudden they’ll be expressing compassion and maybe even pretentious support… having publicly expressed the most vicious language towards him as was possible.

    And who was primarily responsible? Simon Bridges.”

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    • PDB

       /  October 21, 2018

      If we wanted to read all the crap they write there Robert don’t you think we’d all be over there reading it?

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      • Gezza

         /  October 21, 2018

        Robert’s purpose is to come here and paste as many smears as he can then attempt to portray himself as virtuous. Guess who that sounds like?

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        • robertguyton

           /  October 21, 2018

          Smears? Not at all. Opposing views aren’t smears, Gezza. Balance, Pete’s favourite act and my pleasure to provide.

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          • Gezza

             /  October 21, 2018

            Several of those are blatantly speculative smears. You might be deluding yourself they’re opposing views but you’re not deluding anyone else..

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      • robertguyton

         /  October 21, 2018

        I know you take a regular sneaky peek, PDB, only you’ve a seriously huge blind-spot that I feel honour-bound to remedy. No need to think me; I do it for love.

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        • PDB

           /  October 21, 2018

          Actually I occasional hold my nose and read what Bradbury has to say for himself on his blog (also Trotter etc) but I never go to The Standard as the place is full of spiteful loonies, some of which stink this place out.

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  19. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 21, 2018

    Robert, why do you feel entitled to come here pasting endless drivel from sites most of us wouldn’t be seen dead bothering with?

    Can you not construct a sensible comment by yourself?

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    • PDB

       /  October 21, 2018

      I think it’s Robert’s way of bringing his funny little friends to this site with him………for back up, assurance & support.

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      • “Stuff has been told that National assigned a senior MP and former police officer, Mark Mitchell, to support Ross, but Ross cut off all contact the day before his expulsion from the National caucus on Tuesday.”

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        • robertguyton

           /  October 21, 2018

          “National were warned by the Mental Health Foundation for their use of insensitive language, but the insults and character assassinations just continued.

          Newshub 16 October 2018.

          https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/mental-health-foundation-slams-national-mps-for-insensitive-language.amp.html

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          • PDB

             /  October 21, 2018

            No doubt using the word ’embarrassing’ was wrong by Bridges but repeating inaccuracies in their article such as Bridges said his mental health issues were ’embarrassing’ when it is obvious to most now that Bridges was referring to JLR’s womanising ways does them no favours.

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            • robertguyton

               /  October 21, 2018

              Oh, PDB – how disingenuous of you! The article linked to also says:
              “But Mr Bridges wasn’t alone in his questionable choice of words. Former party president Michelle Boag described Mr Ross as “irrational”, and others in the party were quick to insult their colleague recovering from a breakdown.
              “We’ve got an MP that’s going rogue,” said Louise Upston.

              Mark Mitchell called him “disloyal” while Judith Collins went a step further and said he was “delusional”.
              The war of poorly chosen words has mental health experts calling out the party’s politicians.
              “I don’t think it’s acceptable to use shaming words around mental distress and mental health issues,” said Mr Robinson. “We’re looking to our political leaders to set an example.””
              but you neglected to mention any of that, as it doesn’t fit your “story”.
              Pretty feeble, PDB. And transparent.

            • PDB

               /  October 21, 2018

              Now you’re getting desperate Robert – those comments were made by people after Ross said on TV he was mentally fine, appeared confident and sure of himself with no inkling he was on the verge of a mental breakdown/ suicide whatever. People like Boag & others would have no idea on what was happening inside JLR’s head, none of us did. If he was in such a very poor mental state why did his doctors not get him admitted earlier?

              Hindsight is a great thing but this is disingenuous.

            • Gezza

               /  October 21, 2018

              No doubt using the word ’embarrassing’ was wrong by Bridges but repeating inaccuracies in their article such as Bridges said his mental health issues were ’embarrassing’ when it is obvious to most now that Bridges was referring to JLR’s womanising ways does them no favours.

              No I don’t think Bridges was referring to JLR’s womanising ways. I think he did something classic for Bridges and bumbled out something he thought was reasonably innocuous and would persuade the media not to dig into it because he didn’t want to discuss it.

            • PDB

               /  October 21, 2018

              Didn’t the phone call between Bridges and Ross regarding Ross going on leave only refer to the female complaints (the 15 or so women comment) hence it had to be regarding that? No mention on that regarding mental health issues.

            • Gezza

               /  October 21, 2018

              Was that a phone call or was he recording a meeting? I haven’t heard the full conversation – only a couple of sentences embedded in an article. Was there a recording of the full conversation somewhere?

  20. robertguyton

     /  October 21, 2018

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    • PDB

       /  October 21, 2018

      Obviously you are one of the huge 197 twitter followers of this account that mainly re-tweets Guardian posts as if they are fact? So what’s the problem with the wording?

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      • robertguyton

         /  October 21, 2018

        Oh, PDB – how disingenuous of you! The article linked to also says:
        “But Mr Bridges wasn’t alone in his questionable choice of words. Former party president Michelle Boag described Mr Ross as “irrational”, and others in the party were quick to insult their colleague recovering from a breakdown.
        “We’ve got an MP that’s going rogue,” said Louise Upston.

        Mark Mitchell called him “disloyal” while Judith Collins went a step further and said he was “delusional”.
        The war of poorly chosen words has mental health experts calling out the party’s politicians.
        “I don’t think it’s acceptable to use shaming words around mental distress and mental health issues,” said Mr Robinson. “We’re looking to our political leaders to set an example.””
        but you neglected to mention any of that, as it doesn’t fit your “story”.
        Pretty feeble, PDB. And transparent.

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        • PDB

           /  October 21, 2018

          Now you are repeating yourself – my answer to your nonsense is above as I won’t be doing the same.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 21, 2018

      There was no mention of mental health when he went on leave that I can recall. I thought he had an issue with his waterworks or something physically awkward to get sorted out.

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      • PDB

         /  October 21, 2018

        Not only that but Ross says he is mentally fine in his stand-up, comes across in control and also states that he isn’t the leaker with the major mental health issues.

        Now we are all meant to attack anybody who said anything detrimental about him during the period he went all gung-ho on the National party because they all should have known he was mentally on the cusp. Doesn’t make sense.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 21, 2018

          I’m getting very discombobulated. How could Ross have leaked the texts and not been the texter? Has he now said he IS the texter?

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  21. PDB

     /  October 21, 2018

    Interesting…

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  22. Gerrit

     /  October 22, 2018

    Irrespective if it was Ross’s handlers or the National party, Ross has been effectively silenced.

    Nothing he will say n the future will be taken seriously.

    With him sent to Coventry, will the implications be that he is removed from parliament and the good people of Botany get to elect a new representative?

    What are the legal ramifications if someone is found to be mentally unable to conduct the duties as expected from a electorate representative and MP?

    And who makes the ruling if Ross is found to be incapable to be a MP, the speaker?

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    • See the part of the post referring to Andrew Geddis, he discusses how it can be handled.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 22, 2018

      This is not going to be able to be tidied up until the police have completed their investigation – into the alleged funding rorts and either exonerated or charged those involved. These should not be forgotten. Given the significance of this situation – it affects the government of New Zealand, in so far as Parliament is part of the system of government – they should be on to this like robber’s dogs as thoroughly and as quickly as possible.

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