What sort of truce could National and Ross have?

There have been some calls for some sort of a truce between National and Jami-Lee Ross. After what has happened this week what sort of a truce would be possible? Could Ross be trusted anyway?

And some scepticism is warranted given who is calling for a truce. Ross has little if anything to negotiate with, and national would be taking a huge risk if they gave anything to Ross now.

Cameron Slater: Farrar follows my lead and calls for a truce, pity is the party appears to want to destroy itself

The other day I suggested a truce, or the intervention of a third party to sort out the mess inside National.

National would be wise to get someone to broker a peace treaty with him before they lose most of their front bench.

Now David Farrar has suggested the same thing:

National has no good options in dealing with JLR. The question is which is the least bad option.

Of course the best way out would be a truce. If somehow JLR and National can find a way forward that would be a good thing. But the problem is that JLR has so damaged himself I’m genuinely not sure what National can do to reverse the harm he caused himself. But if he has a proposal, then it should be considered.

Sadly, it appears that National wants to burn itself to the ground.

It seems to be Ross who is the one lighting fires and pouring petrol on them.

Paula Bennett, it seems, is behind the spreading of the lurid smears to Newsroom.

Actually it seems to be Slater who is trying to spread lurid smears, including about Bennett, someone he has been trying to discredit and smear since she became deputy leader and longer.

Newsroom have made it clear their year long investigation into Jami-Lee Ross was independent – and if Ross hadn’t gone ‘rogue’ their revelations when they published them would have put a lot of pressure and responsibility on National and Bennett,

Wise heads in National need to prevail. They should take up David Farrar’s suggestion and my suggestion and start talking to each other instead of past each other.

But Ross has backed himself into a very tight corner. He would presumably want something from a truce, but what could National offer? It would be extremely damaging to the party if they did anything but act strongly against what Ross has been doing and says he will continue to do.

If Bridges compromises now in his approach to Ross I think his leadership will become untenable. Perhaps that’s what Slater is trying to manipulate.

Slater wanted Bridges to fail in his leadership bid, and he has tried to discredit and smear Bridges since he became leader.

He is as trustworthy as Ross.

Proposing a truce between Ross and National should be viewed with a lot of suspicion. If it is a genuine attempt to broker a deal it suggests that Ross has few other options but to try to negotiate a truce, or keep digging the bloody great hole he has dug for himself.

But National would be taking a huge risk if they are seen to be doing anything to help Ross.


There’s quite discussion on this at WO. A number of comments point out the obvious risks to National of any compromise with Ross.

2eyesee:

I feel that JLR is such damaged goods that any form of truce would be even more damaging to National. Such a truce would publicly legitimise JRL as part of the National Party, and I don’t think National can afford that association.

If they can’t cut JRL loose, the next best option is for him to remain a pariah. Each new conversation release is attracting less and less interest, and he’ll become largely ignored before long.

spanishbride/Slater’sBride:

Really? Every single unfaithful politician and journalist is sweating bullets right now. They broke a long standing rule of politics which was to NEVER report on affairs. Forget the political revelations, if they do not make peace with him he can return the favour and do to them all what they did to him.

2eyesee:

Extramarital affairs between consenting adults is not the issue here – it’s JRL’s abuse of power and bullying behaviour. If National came to a truce with JRL it would be legitimising that behaviour, which would be very damaging for National.

spanishbride/Slater’sBride:

A truce does not mean taking him back. It means a quiet behind the scenes exit

And trust Ross, who has already shown he is willing to record ‘quiet behind the scenes’ conversations and use them to threaten and make false claims?

I think that spanishbride may have been sucked in by someone here into promoting a truce that is likely to be an attempt to compromise bridges even more than he is now. If any secret scheme to try to silence Ross came out Bridges would be right where Slater wants him, out of the leadership.

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34 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 21, 2018

    Slater wants s truce with National since he now has no friends except those who are also friendless. Ross is just his proxy.

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  2. Blazer

     /  October 21, 2018

    if they could find a job for Sabin…they can find something for…Ross.

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  3. Corky

     /  October 21, 2018

    The poll results will decide how much pressure National is under… and what direction they will take.. hopefully they will be out this week. These results will either be a socialists wet dream..or their worst nightmare.

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    • Blazer

       /  October 21, 2018

      I expect little change in Nationals over all support.
      Their P.R/marketing arm has been successful in framing them as sound economic managers ,despite overwhelming evidence to the…contrary.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 21, 2018

        Enjoy your plungiing dollar and soaring fees and taxes, B. You voted for them.

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        • Blazer

           /  October 21, 2018

          as if those things have got anything to do with Govt.
          You really are an economic illiterate Al.
          Go and play with your beaker and your sufuric…acid…and stop drinking it…FFS.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  October 21, 2018

            Tsk, tsk. Temper, temper. You know you are reaping what you sowed. Suck it up.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 21, 2018

        I think National will take a hit in the polls. What happens to Bridges rating interests me more.

        This is all very fortunate for Labour because although Ross is so despicable only female journos are sent to interview him Bridges was caught out being disloyal and that money thing is a bit smelly, even if it turns out to look ok on the official records.

        Godsend to the government & Jacinda, and their rankings will also be interesting this time round because I was expecting a bit of a decline there until this absolute shit heap started exploding all over everyone.

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        • PDB

           /  October 21, 2018

          I’d expect the undecided vote to rise at the expense of National whilst this mess is sorted and the leadership question answered. The govt is also a mess and I doubt many of these people would see much salvation there.

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          • Gezza

             /  October 21, 2018

            The polls will tell. Swing voters are caught between a rock and a hard place at the moment. The government and the opposition look dodgy.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 21, 2018

          The important thing is not to lose sight of Chinese influence and Electoral Law Reform …

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          • Gezza

             /  October 21, 2018

            Yes. There’s clearly not as much requirement for disclosure as there needs to be. Maybe an independent body through which all donations must pass for before being passed to the parties would be best – but that would never get passed by Parliament.

            The Chinese influence is an interesting conundrum. Was watching The Coming War With China on Aljaz last night. A young Chinese political commentator it
            featured was pointing out the difference between US & Chinese capitalism. He said in the US the capitalists control the government, but in PRC the government does not permit the capitalists to control the government. The two are kept quite separate.

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    • Blazer

       /  October 21, 2018

      does this man look worried?

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  4. David in aus

     /  October 21, 2018

    National has little to lose and everything to gain by destroying Ross. He is considered lower than an earthworm.

    Because he is so toxic, being soft on him may backfire and make them look weak.

    I have changed my mind, force a by-election and invite Ross to contest. As an electorate MP, a by-election is the perfect way to claim legitimacy for National and stem bleeding.

    The humilation should diminish Ross’s residual narcissism. Every time he speaks, just remind him of the result. Once a politician is out of parliament and if they don’t have a constituency, they are invisible.

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  5. Zedd

     /  October 21, 2018

    perhaps they should all listen to this ?

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  6. PartisanZ

     /  October 21, 2018

    They could make a ‘Treaty’ …

    Reply
  7. robertguyton

     /  October 21, 2018

    “When the National Party has become little more than a front for Chinese Business interests with an alleged spy inside their caucus and Jenny Shipley, Don Brash, Ruth Richardson and Chris Tremain Director’s of the China Construction Bank, Judith Collins interaction with Chinese Officials to help her husbands Chinese Company, Oravida, to gain more Chinese money and Maurice Williamson’s love affair with Donghua Liu seeing him become Liu’s personal handyman when doing up Liu’s batch and heavying the Police to drop domestic violence charges it is more than fair to start demanding far more scrutiny and public debate towards China’s power over our economy and political system, especially when the academic who is highlighting this influence is being intimated and having her house broken into by Chinese agents.”

    Read the whole article here.

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/10/21/why-the-media-and-politicians-are-so-silent-on-chinese-influence-in-nz-and-what-you-need-to-do/

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  8. PDB

     /  October 21, 2018

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/jami-lee-ross-taken-to-mental-health-care-facility-by-police.html

    Rogue National MP Jami-Lee Ross has been taken into a mental health care facility.
    Newstalk ZB has confirmed the MP was taken in by police.
    He was taken to a facility in Auckland.

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  9. Blazer

     /  October 21, 2018

    the safest exit/solution is a reccurrence of mental health issues that need to be treated with kid gloves ,given the risk of…suicide.

    A nice tidy resolution for all..involved.

    Reply

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