Slater threatens to continue Ross attacks on National

A hope that Cameroon Slater gets a chance to step back and reflect on what has been a tumultuous week for Jami-Lee Ross, whose attacks on Simon Bridges and National led to him being sectioned into mental health care.

In the heat of the moment yesterday Slater threatened to continue attacks on National this week. This could put his own situation under further stress.

Slater:

Not after developments today, where it will come out that he ignored medical advice and hounded a man to make an attempt on his life. He’s done, and I will make sure he never leads anything ever again,Paula Bennett is toast too.

Stop being heartless. It is very serious, i have been working on this since the early hours of the morning. I am rather humourless after finding out what I have found out about how National ignored medical warnings. So by all means joke about mental health but you won’t stay long.

They are. They are callous. They will do whatever it takes to stop him revealing all their rooting

It was never ‘rooting’ that was the problem. It was alleged harassment.

That disgusted me utterly knowing a few more details than what they are letting on.

Bridges and Bennett were well aware of the issues and implications and yet both decided to throw Ross under the bus. Moreover they lied about what they knew when and in fact orchestrated the Newsroom story with at least on of the first four being inveigled by Bennett more than a week before the hit job ran.

They very nearly had blood on their hands.

Watch what comes out over coming days.

It got very ugly when Ross was under extreme pressure. Slater could continue that ugliness in attempted retribution.

The part he has played in the attacks on Bridges, Bennett, Goodfellow and National is unknown, but now he has shown he is closely involved with Ross in the weekend at least there is a risk he will replicate the self destruction.

People who have been supporters and associates of Slater in the past appear aghast at what unfolded over the last week. Slater could isolate himself even more.

Slater has made it clear since ‘Dirty Politics’ broke in 2014 that he holds a major grudge against National, against John Key, Bill English, Paula Bennett and since he became leader, Simon Bridges.

He has given indications over the last few days that he wants them and National trashed. He risks further trashing what reputation he may have remaining, and potentially, like Ross, his own health.

I hope Slater is getting good support, and also good advice. Whether he can heed good advice is another matter.


Update: in a new post this morning Slater has confirmed what I think he had denied – that he has been working “to help Jami-Lee Ross” – National’s hit job puts JLR into care

Yesterday was a rather stressful day for me. I and a good friend have been working constantly over the last few days to help Jami-Lee Ross, who was to us clearly in distress. On Saturday night things took a turn for the worse and we received a text message at 0400 that indicated he was in care and not by choice.

National has zero concerns, they were told what might happen and they went ahead anyway. They had the hit locked and loaded.

The truth will come out. There are too many moving parts for it not to come out and people are going to be appalled. Not all those stories are true, they just used the #MeToo smearbook to get Jami-Lee Ross.

Slater then makes some allegations and insinuations.

That doesn’t pass the sniff test. What we have witnessed here is a continuation of the nasty way in which National rinses someone that is a risk to the leadership. It goes back years.

Right now I am more concerned about my friend who is hurting.

Other media are following the trail of destruction that the leadership of the National party has overseen. Let’s hope that sunlight is indeed the best disinfectant. I’m just picking up the information from what they are saying and asking me. It seems they are asking the right questions.

Answers from Slater have proven to be unreliable in the past. He has clear destructive motives when it comes to National – much like Ross.

Slater in comments:

I’m also not blaming National for Jami-Lee Ross’s actions. He has to own those. But I do blame National and their leadership for creating the monster. Someone had to reward him for his work, promote him for his work and enable him. Those people were the senior National party leadership from John Key, to Bill English, to Paula Bennett, to Steve Joyce, to Simon Bridges.

He didn’t get to where is is today without enablers.

And:

Nice sentiment, but he didn’t learn his behaviour all by himself. Yes he is responsible for his own actions but his enablers over the years need to also be held to account.

You realise you’ve fallen into the position National want you to. JLR is scum because he did these awful things…nothing to see here…JLR is scum.

They want you to believe this so they can continue sailing on wrecking peoples lives.

This seems highly hypocritical given that Slater and Simon Lusk enabled Ross to win selection for a safe National seat.  And it’s unlikely that’s where their ‘enabling’ ended.

And given both Slater and Lusk being on record as saying they enjoy the thrill of wrecking people’s lives.

Again:

You know not which you speak of. Just wait and watch what happens this week.

Slater seems intent on continue the Ross train wrecking attempt of National.

I wonder how much of Slater’s emotion is due to the failure of the Ross (and possibly Lusk) plan to set bridges up and oust him.

 

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112 Comments

  1. Bill Brown

     /  October 22, 2018

    National from this point forward to find itself as Labour did with blood letting and then failed leader after failed leader due to deep issues in the party ??

    Me thinks so.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 22, 2018

      The deep issues being Lusk, Ross and Slater? What are you smoking?

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      • Bill Brown

         /  October 22, 2018

        I don’t smoke anything – but thanks for the concern as it’s really touching

        My point is when Labour’s woes started it was continual blood letting both internally and externally – media of course playing a part

        Bridges is not the man to take National forward long term, and I’m not sure they even know themselves who is the best option

        9 years of Key, just like 9 years of Clark leaves a big gap between the top contender and the rest being pretenders

        Labour saw plenty of pretending before Jacinda Mania kicked in with the help of Winston (and his dislike of English & Joyce) – I’m simply saying Bridges and a few others with be an interim play for National

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  2. Blazer

     /  October 22, 2018

    who are the contenders for the safe Botany seat?

    Imagine if it was a Lusk/Slater favourite!

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  3. Until recently Slater appeared to be mostly out of the loop on the Ross strategy to dump Bridges.

    Now he is suddenly in the thick of it. Has Lusk turned to him to continue the damage now that Ross has been disabled?

    Is it an emotional reaction off his own bat?

    Or is it an opportunistic attempt to trash Bridges and National when they are vulnerable?

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    • PDB

       /  October 22, 2018

      I think you are seeing what happens when your planned ‘hit-job’ massively backfires for the two people using JLR to push their own agenda by blaming the National party for what they themselves did to JLR. The sick thing is that even after being admitted they continue to try and use him in such a way.

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      • Blazer

         /  October 22, 2018

        The players on this stage-Slater -father was National Party President.
        Lusk was National Party insider re electorate candidates selection strategy and worked with National M.P’s.
        Bridges…Nationals LOTO.
        Bennett National caucus no.2.
        Goodfellow National party president since 2009.
        Jami Lee Ross National M.P for Botany…

        now who or what can we blame for this National catastrophy?

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        • PDB

           /  October 22, 2018

          How is who your father was or what someone ‘used’ to be relevant in this situation?

          Slater and Lusk do their own thing and hate the National party, Bridges – Goodfellow & Bennett at this stage have not done anything wrong and only Jami Lee Ross has been shown to possibly be of unsavoury character with nothing to back up his claims of corruption & the only one to have provable lies thus far.

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          • Blazer

             /  October 22, 2018

            Slater is an advocate for National M.P Judith Collins…everything in that post is factual.Lusk advises JLR sitting Nat M.P.
            whats the ‘used to be’ ref?

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          • Mm

             /  October 22, 2018

            hate the national party or hate what National has become ?

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            • Gezza

               /  October 22, 2018

              National or its predecessors have a pretty long history of being quite nasty, as I recall when I read No Left Turn a few years back.

            • Gezza

               /  October 22, 2018

              But that’s not to say the Labour (or more usually their supporters) haven’t been pretty nasty at times too. And the Greens or their supporters haven’t always covered themselves in glory either. As for NZF their leader’s notoriously nasty if you check out his history of unsupported allegations and inflammatory statements.

        • God you hatred is putrid, rancid and deeply rooted isn’t it? The operative word you used was ‘was’…..as in past, as in no longer really welcome,

          Isn’t it time to grow up BOL? ….. silly question if you lose your hatred for National there will be nothing much left inside you….. empty wee thing aren’t you BOL…

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  4. robertguyton

     /  October 22, 2018

    National are being eviscerated. They’ll be feeling gutted 🙂

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  5. robertguyton

     /  October 22, 2018

    “It has not been a good week for the National Party. It has revealed a craven history of enabling alleged harassment and bullying, making it unfit for governing.

    Jami-Lee Ross is now in a mental health facility, getting the help he clearly needs.

    I’ve read columns on whether this whole episode has been good for Simon Bridges, whether he’ll emerge from this in a stronger or weaker position. Which is a weird way to look at it. If you come out stronger when it’s revealed that a key member of your senior team is accused of repeated harassment and your party covered it up and then promoted him after the events occurred then I think we need to take a look at the culture of the organisation.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12146400

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    • PDB

       /  October 22, 2018

      Had to laugh at that nonsense when I read that opinion piece last night from the left-wing supporter – the hypocrisy is breath-taking, especially in saying about the National party: “They don’t seem to care about people”.

      Compare and contrast;

      *National deal with an alleged harassment issue by getting the two people together to discuss the issue and from that the person alleging the harassment says she is very happy with how the issue was handled and all the National party did for her.

      *Labour attempt to bury allegations of sexual assault at one of their youth camps & don’t even tell their leader (supposedly) what has occurred or even the parents of the accusers. Nothing is then done to address the matter. Some of the accusers then go on record that they are very unhappy that nothing has been done and the story later leaks out and becomes big news. Andrew Kirton who should take all the blame for this disgrace soon leaves the party with Labour Party president Nigel Haworth saying that Kirton was “a first class general secretary and he will be deeply missed”.

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      • Blazer

         /  October 22, 2018

        ‘The Mental Health Act says that a compulsory treatment order needs to be heard and determined by a Family Court judge. If an MP is subject to such an order, the Speaker has to be notified under the Electoral Act.

        The Speaker then asks the Director-General of Health and a medical practitioner to assess the MP, and they inform the Speaker whether the patient is “mentally disordered”.

        If so, a further assessment is carried out six months later. If the patient is still mentally disordered, the Speaker informs the House of Representatives and the MP’s seat is vacated.

        The Mental Health Act defines “mentally disordered” as someone who suffers from “an abnormal state of mind … characterised by delusions, or by disorders of mood or perception or volition or cognition” that poses a serious health risk or renders that person unable to take care of themselves.

        Speaker Trevor Mallard told the Herald he had yet to receive a notice of a compulsory treatment order, and if he did, he would seek advice and weigh up privacy matters, public interest and mental health concerns in deciding whether he should notify the House or the public.’=NZH

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  6. robertguyton

     /  October 22, 2018

    “The accusations of bullying and harassment were brought to the attention of the top-brass of the National Party. And what did they do with that information? Did they get rid of the alleged abuser and make sure he wouldn’t be in a position of authority so he couldn’t do it anymore? Did they get him support or help if he needed it? No. They allegedly made the complainant sign a non-disclosure agreement so they wouldn’t be able to go public. Then Ross was allowed to be re-selected for his Botany Electorate Seat. Then he was promoted to the front bench after Bridges became leader.”
    ibid

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    • Ray

       /  October 22, 2018

      Robert it seems clear you have no idea how the National Party works, hint it is a democratic organisation, which means head office just can’t de-select a standing MP on a whim.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  October 22, 2018

      Given the actual complainant completely disagrees with the “allegedlies” in that article and has said she was very happy with how it was handled and was not forced to sign anything, you can safely file that particular piece of partisan hackery under the fiction / bullshit file.

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  7. robertguyton

     /  October 22, 2018

    “Now Ross is receiving treatment. But this doesn’t mean the National Party should be excused for a culture where this allegedly happened, was reported and got covered up.

    It’s a demonstration of the National Party having no real internal value sense other than power at any cost.”

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  8. Ray

     /  October 22, 2018

    It worries me that these clearly “disturbed ” people think they can destabilise the workings of our democracy just for the thrill of it.
    This should be sternly rejected and judging by their past efforts to destabilise Bridges ( with the help of media personalities, looking at you Dova) or give a flagging Labour the Govt seats ( Nicky Hager over wrought books just before an election ) don’t pass them voting public sniff test.
    Never underestimate the sensibilities of real people, something these clowns always do!

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    • Blazer

       /  October 22, 2018

      terrible jumble of observations peppered with inaccuracies and false logic.
      Not your best..Ray.

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  9. MaureenW

     /  October 22, 2018

    Popcorn and crocodile tears. No one comes out of this with clean hands – all looking out for their own interests. The National Party, the media, JLR’s strategist and media mouth – all playing the same game. Blame and cover-up, cover-up and blame for political points-scoring.
    The Life of Brian scene “ Bring out your dead” comes to mind.
    Time to move along.

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    • Blazer

       /  October 22, 2018

      not to mention the denouement…’always look on the bright side of…life’!

      Quite fitting eh M…a brighter future…and all! 😉

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  October 22, 2018

      Fake news Maureen – it was Holy Grail that that scene was from. Fittingly it also had the Black Knight scene, which aptly describes the battle to find anything actually incriminating in the JLR saga:

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  10. The coalition Government has handled this debacle very well indeed – all credit must go to Jacinda Ardern for her effective and subtle management of the Government MPs – very impressive and in stark contrast to the idiotic claims made here about her lack of experience or ability. Jacinda has set the bar for these matters and the bar is way, way over the heads of the Nat MPs who have featured in the sordid business that’s still festering, in fact, growing more and more heated as the result of their poor management.

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    • PDB

       /  October 22, 2018

      Maybe if you keep telling yourself that enough times Robert it may actually become….true?

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  October 22, 2018

      As the song says, Robert: They say it best best when they say nothing all.
      Unfortunately they always open their mouths in the end and ruin it.

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  11. artcroft

     /  October 22, 2018

    Just pointless reading Robert’s posts. It’s always the same bulls**t with no regard to facts. Stop spamming the site Robert and go plant some trees.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 22, 2018

      Exactly. Robert lives in an Alice in Wonderland world where the facts are anything he wants them to be. God knows how Environment Southland operates unless they have a playpen to put him in while they meet.

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    • robertguyton

       /  October 22, 2018

      I’m pasting commentary here from across the mediasphere, so that one-eyed Righties get to see something other than the inside of their own eyelids. You bristle at the views that don’t consolidate your own nothing-to-see-here myopia.

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      • artcroft

         /  October 22, 2018

        You made your point the first time repeating it ad nauseam is just trolling. Their’s nothing to learn from your posts, it’s just the same sh*t served in different bowls. All it does is generate long dull threads. BORING

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 22, 2018

        No, I just know mindless drivel when I see it and boggle at how your fellow councillors put up with you.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 22, 2018

          Only one person here indulges in such violent language and images. I can’t imagine Artcroft beating someone around the face with a pistol butt, either figuratively or in reality; or even seeing the image as acceptable.Nobody deserves that.

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          • Thank you, Kitty.

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            • Corky

               /  October 22, 2018

              My, it looks like you have a friend, Robert. Good luck with that. Maybe if you READ Arty again, you may find some guidance?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 22, 2018

              It’s gratuitously nasty, and totally uncalled for. One can disagree without such violent imagery. It’s becoming a little disturbing, really; this is by no means the first such image.

  12. Patzcuaro

     /  October 22, 2018

    Day of the Triffids

    Allergic to sunlight

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 22, 2018

      Another Lefty wishful fantasy from you, Patz. You have an endless supply. Reality must be a nightmare for you.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  October 22, 2018

      It has been fascinating to see how many journo’s and left commentators have projected the actions of one unwell individual onto the party, despite the fact he was expelled from the party for his actions.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 22, 2018

        It’s curious that the police – who could confirm the texter was not JLR if it wasn’t – haven’t.

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  October 22, 2018

          The police are in an interesting position on this.
          I’m not sure under what basis they can release the information as it was not a criminal matter; there is mental health involved; and I assume there are privacy rules to abide by.

          That said, I strongly doubt the police could confirm the texter was not JLR even if they could release the details.

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          • Gezza

             /  October 22, 2018

            There was no need for them to issue a statement denying scurrilous rumours they were investigating Clarke Gayford either. It wasn’t a criminal matter. I think the statement was issued as a matter of public interest.

            This is easily on a par. This is a matter of huge public interest and speculation. If they know who it is – as reported – then they know who it isn’t. Privacy requirements would cover them not saying who confessed to doing it if it’s not a criminal matter.

            Privacy requirements would surely not apply to them saying someone didn’t confess to doing it. And even if by a stretch they argued that they do, then surely any innocent person in this situation would waive privacy in this one respect only.

            All we have is an investigation which confirms that it has NOT been conclusively proven who leaked the travel details. And Bridges stating that (a) it was not him, and (b) his calls to the Speaker were in fact responding to the Speaker who incorrectly called him, and (c) his calls to a police area commander were about another matter entirely to do with a local police officer – where again, the police could confirm whether this was so without giving any details of individuals.

            That fact that none of these things has been done by the police and that no reporters or supporters have actually pursued these matters with the police I find very odd and very unprofessional of both the police and journalists.

            I don’t believe JLR personally, in the absence of any police statements along these lines. But I think this is a gaping natural justice hole in the process of his conviction by allegation, when he has given testimony that could be corroborated or refuted by our Police with nothing appearing to me to stop them and the public interest and natural justice seeming to require it.

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            • Gezza

               /  October 22, 2018

              I also find it curious his strongest attack dog supporters don’t seem to be pursuing this point either. Or are they doing so? If not, and they maintain he is innocent, why aren’t they?

      • Blazer

         /  October 22, 2018

        yes what a kind and caring party..not vindictive,supportive and…concerned..thats National all ..over.

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  13. david in aus

     /  October 22, 2018

    Who knew that Slater had such a caring and compassionate heart? Almost as if, he was talking about Israel and Soft-drink companies.

    Has he been asking for money?

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  14. Chuck Bird

     /  October 22, 2018

    I heard Peters on the radio recently say that for National to invoke the waka jumping law 75% of National MPs would have to vote yes. I thought the fraction was two thirds. I have not been able to find the law online. Does anyone know the fraction?

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  15. FarmerPete

     /  October 22, 2018

    More than a little of topic, but I walked into a Silverdale takeaway restaurant with my 18 yr old son maybe two months ago and Cameron Slater was sitting on the side with a woman. We placed our order, waited and left, all the while under Slater’s baleful gaze. My son said, ‘Dad did you see that guy staring at us all the time? He looked evil’. I had to agree there was a malevolence that projected from him.
    My guess is that his personal struggles are manifested it his outpourings. No one would give a lunatic a gun- maybe they should take their pc’s away as well!

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  16. Loki

     /  October 22, 2018

    There is some good news in all this.
    Our hero is trying to push himself into the centre of things, with no realisation that he and his weird nameless “father figure” actually helped to create the JLR monster.
    Skaters hatred for the Nats is as wrongheaded as most things he cries about.
    He blames them for his Dad being overlooked for plum roles when it is actually his own ruined reputation, character and behaviour that caused his dad to be cut off.
    The second thing is his pathetic grievance about being cut out after dirty politics.
    What would you expect? Family holidays with John and Branagh to happen after being exposed as a crayon for hire!
    And now for the Good news.
    Our hero mentioned his “father figure” is assisting in the support of JLR.
    And the media now know all about him and will be shining some of Slaters beloved sunlight in him.

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  17. robertguyton

     /  October 22, 2018

    Didn’t John Key enjoy a close relationship with Cameron Slater? The photos of them together had them looking very chummy and there was that late-night text-thingy going on…

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 22, 2018

      Fact free as usual, Robert. Congrats on the consistency.

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      • Blazer

         /  October 22, 2018

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        • PDB

           /  October 22, 2018

          Photo at a large function they both happened to be at……sure sign they had a ‘close relationship’ – not.

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          • Blazer

             /  October 22, 2018

            ‘John Key denies he has lied about his contact with blogger Cameron Slater, but admits to a “handful” of text message exchanges in recent months.’

            yes having the P.M’s phone number would imply they are strangers..I suppose you had Keys number…too.

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            • PDB

               /  October 22, 2018

              No, but I do have many phone numbers on my phone of people that ain’t ‘strangers’ by aren’t close friends either.

            • PDB

               /  October 22, 2018

              *but*

            • Blazer

               /  October 22, 2018

              do you have photos of those same ‘not close friends’ of you and them joined at the hip too?

              How do you classify them…acquaintances,distant friends,formerly close friends,speights drinkers,….they say you can pick your friends but not your…relatives.

            • PDB

               /  October 22, 2018

              See photo below, Ardern ‘joined at the hip’ with Chinese business man but I’m not suggesting they are ‘close friends’ – to do so is foolish.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 22, 2018

        And congrats on having Blazer dribble in support. That should be the final kiss of death to integrity.

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    • Loki

       /  October 22, 2018

      No, Slater is a shameless self promoter.
      And Key was hopelessly and as it turns out stupidly polite.
      A few innocuous text messages.
      Slater was always a long way down the line and mainly was a recipient of info and gossip from press monkeys in the cabinet.
      Plus the hotline to crusher of course.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  October 22, 2018

      They texted rarely, and were photographed together at a National Party function. Devastating stuff alright.

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      • Blazer

         /  October 22, 2018

        yes its quite clear they weren’t even nodding acquaintances…where are their other…arms?

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        • PDB

           /  October 22, 2018

          Based on that logic…where are their other arms here? His fingers appear on her opposite shoulder…

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          • PDB

             /  October 22, 2018

            *opposite arm*

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            • Blazer

               /  October 22, 2018

              so predictable…’Labour did it too’.

            • PDB

               /  October 22, 2018

              Nonsense reply Blazer as not a whataboutism – my post simply says that for you to be correct about the arm thing then Ardern and Yikun Zhang must be very close friends….you’d agree then?

            • Blazer

               /  October 22, 2018

              no would not agree ..context is everything..and no evidence to suggest Ardern has texting dialogue with Z.

            • PDB

               /  October 22, 2018

              No evidence she hasn’t text/called Z either. Context is everything Blazer hence your silliness over the Slater/Key photo.

            • Blazer

               /  October 22, 2018

              there is no evidence that you know what you’re talking about..either.

            • Gezza

               /  October 22, 2018

              I don’t like saying it either but this one is a definite win to PDB Blazer.

            • Blazer

               /  October 22, 2018

              I can accept your ruling G…but it is totally reliant on a subjective interpretation of…’close’.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 22, 2018

          Where are their other arms? In the same place as yours; on their shoulders.

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  18. Yes, two-thirds is correct, Chuck. (See section 55D(c), here: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2018/0039/15.0/DLM7514004.html.)

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    • Chuck Bird

       /  October 22, 2018

      Thanks very much Steve and Pete. I listened on playback. Peters said three-quarters. So it looks like he does not know the amendment he took so much trouble to be law.

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  19. PDB

     /  October 22, 2018

    A few home truths dished out by Blazer’s good friend Hamish Price to Mrs Whaleoil…..

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  20. Blazer

     /  October 22, 2018

    the track record of psychiatrists is not good …at all…

    ‘First published in 1968, DSM-II (the American classiifcation of mental disorders) listed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In this, the DSM followed in a long tradition in medicine and psychiatry, which in the 19th century appropriated homosexuality from the Church and, in an élan of enlightenment, transformed it from sin to mental disorder.

    In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) asked all members attending its convention to vote on whether they believed homosexuality to be a mental disorder. 5,854 psychiatrists voted to remove homosexuality from the DSM, and 3,810 to retain it.

    The APA then compromised, removing homosexuality from the DSM but replacing it, in effect, with “sexual orientation disturbance” for people “in conflict with” their sexual orientation. Not until 1987 did homosexuality completely fall out of the DSM.’

    Electric shock treatment was practiced for many years and cured….no one.

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    • Corky

       /  October 22, 2018

      Scientology agrees with you, Blazer.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_psychiatry

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 22, 2018

      It was still used quite recently as an effective counter to depression when drugs failed. It would be good if you could try to be accurate once or twice a day, B.

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      • Blazer

         /  October 22, 2018

        produce some evidence….you need a jolt.

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        • Griff.

           /  October 22, 2018

          https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/electroconvulsive-therapy/about/pac-20393894
          Overview

          Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) is a procedure, done under general anesthesia, in which small electric currents are passed through the brain, intentionally triggering a brief seizure. ECT seems to cause changes in brain chemistry that can quickly reverse symptoms of certain mental health conditions.

          ECT often works when other treatments are unsuccessful and when the full course of treatment is completed, but it may not work for everyone.

          Much of the stigma attached to ECT is based on early treatments in which high doses of electricity were administered without anesthesia, leading to memory loss, fractured bones and other serious side effects.

          ECT is much safer today. Although ECT may still cause some side effects, it now uses electric currents given in a controlled setting to achieve the most benefit with the fewest possible risks.

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          • Corky

             /  October 22, 2018

            Griff…ECT is just a modern version of an exorcism. It doesn’t cure mental illness. It cures people whose mental disease is caused by spirit possession/attachment.

            Read the book ”Thirty Years Among The Dead.”

            Author:

            Dr. Carl A. Wickland, (1861-1945) was a member of the Chicago Medical Society, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the chief psychiatrist at the National Psychopathic Institute of Chicago.

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            • phantom snowflake

               /  October 22, 2018

              “National Psychopathic Institute”?? National = Psychopathic Institute!!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 22, 2018

              ECT cures depression, not evil spirits. It’s not exorcism. It has been proved to work. Psychiatrists are not exorcists.

              National Psychopathic Institute??? I didn’t know that there was such a thing. Who’d admit to being a member, forsooth?

            • Corky

               /  October 22, 2018

              OSS- CIA.

            • Corky

               /  October 22, 2018

              Dr. Carl A. Wickland.. exorcist.😃😃.

              The ignorance of people who comment on what they no nothing about.

              What spirit should be shocked out the auric sheath of this patient?

              In this case ”pride.”

            • Griff.

               /  October 22, 2018

              CORKY
              1861-1945.?
              It is 2018 mate .
              licking the window again.

            • Corky

               /  October 22, 2018

              Translation: problem solved. This is 2018. Spirits are so yesterday. Lick.

              Of course that date is very interesting- 1861- 1945. In those day you could actually experiment..and state what you actually believed based on your experience. Medicine was still becoming organised during that time.

              Nowday you lick to the FDA, insurance companies, hospital boards, corporations and university grants..you name it.

              In your own words explain how you think sending a electric current through someones brain helps them…given the brain has its own very delicate electrical current. The body can be healed by electricity..but only in minute quantities. That’s why roughly 5000 Americans die each year from the use of paddles to restart the heart.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  October 22, 2018

          I’ve lived with people who have experienced both the unsuccessful and the successful usage of it, B. I don’t need any more evidence than extensive life experience but if you bothered to search you could find it.

          Reply
          • Blazer

             /  October 22, 2018

            quite..shocking..for a scientist..psychiatry is uncharted waters…

            Reply
            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 22, 2018

              How little you know, B.

            • Blazer

               /  October 22, 2018

              tell me about it…what you think you know and what you know are entirely…different…non conformity= madness ..which is…insane!

            • Gezza

               /  October 22, 2018

              Alan and I both know people personally who have been treated with it. It is a last resort treatment these days but still has some clinical indications when nothing else has been effective in severe cases of depression.

  21. Reply
    • Loki

       /  October 22, 2018

      No mention of who the “friend” is.
      But it won’t be family.
      He hasn’t spoken to his wife since before the Melanie Reid story broke.

      Reply
      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 22, 2018

        Tova O’Brien must have a hide like a rhinoceros.

        Reply
        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  October 22, 2018

          It may not be her only thick organ, Kitty.

          Reply
          • Blazer

             /  October 22, 2018

            you been drinking..Al?

            Reply
          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 22, 2018

            Her brain is probably thick as well, I agree…unless she’s a damned good actress, she doesn’t look as if she ‘gets it’.

            If I was a reporter and someone had offered me the expenses story that was going to be on the news legitimately a few days later, I’d have turned it down for fear of dropping myself right in it, if nothing else.

            Reply
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