What are Kiwi values?

When NZ First said they were considering a bill requiring immigrants to comply with undefined ‘Kiwi values’ it raised the obvious question – what are Kiwi values?  We are a diverse bunch.

AMP/Stuff are doing a survey to try to find out what values matter to us.

WHAT IT MEANS TO BE KIWI: New Zealanders loved Kiwiana and it helped define us on the world stage. Tell us what you think are the values, old and new, that define 21st Century New Zealand, in the AMP/Stuff Survey of Values.

I encourage everyone to contribute to this survey.

It would also be good to discuss some of this here.

Which values do you MOST STRONGLY associate with Kiwis / New Zealanders today?

PRAGMATISM – Down to earth and practical, we get things done

PUNCHING ABOVE – We love an underdog, we back the little guy

WORK LIFE BALANCE – Enjoying the 40-hour work week and good quality family time

SPORTING EXCELLENCE – passionate players, coaches, supporters and fans

TEAM SPIRIT – Working together to solve problems / win

EQUAL OPPORTUNITY – Equality for everyone in health, education, housing, social status etc

CELEBRATE DIVERSITY – Of other cultures, life choices, religions

OUTWARD LOOKING – Embracing the world beyond our shores

ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT – Courageous, give things a go, we have a sense of adventure

NATURAL ENVIRONMENT – Looking after and enjoying our natural environment

MODESTY – Not blowing our own trumpet

SAFETY & SECURITY – Safe from crime, corruption, nuclear war

COMMUNITY SPIRIT – Looking after one another and helping one another

KINDNESS – Being kind to one another, supporting and forgiving

INCLUSIVENESS – Accepting and respecting one another

INDIVIDUAL CHOICE – Challenging, making our voice heard

INNOVATION – Number 8 wire mentality, thinking differently and creatively

NONE OF THESE

Any others?

What about sense of humour?

We are really good promoting how modest we are and how we don’t blow our own trumpets.


Update: I am just doing the survey and I am very disappointed in this:

Which ETHNICITY do you most associate with?
NZ European
Maori
Pacific Islander
Chinese
Indian
Other Asian
Other European
Other Ethnicity

In a survey in Kiwi values the ethnicity that I value is not an option! I had to put ‘other ethnicity’ as the least inappropriate.

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66 Comments

  1. robertguyton

     /  October 22, 2018

    Gezza – a message for you, from Pete! Over at The Standard, Pete George wrote:
    “In rushing to pile on to political opponents people seem to forget that people are involved, and in many cases they are being unfairly attacked and put under stress.”
    I immediately thought of you and your unpleasant attacks on Metiria Turei where you gratuitously rehashed the criticisms of someone who’s no longer in Parliament. Pete wants to remind you that Metiria is a person and was under enormous stress then and doesn’t need to be further stressed at this time by anyone.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 22, 2018

      Exactly. This is what you need to be thinking when you’re doing it.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 22, 2018

        I can’t see that she was under enormous stress. Her child had one set of well-off grandparents who were, it seems, generous to them. Her own parents were supportive, and she seems to have had a pleasant life at other people’s expense.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 22, 2018

          She tanked the party in the polls and exposed her family to intense scrutiny by those determined to find out who the father was and what her circumstances are. The explosion of unintended consequences that burst from another of the biggest cynical political miscalculations in nz political history must have caused immense personal and family stress, Kitty. Be fair.

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          • PDB

             /  October 22, 2018

            Turei was more than happy to be treated like some sort of martyr by far-left wingers for coming out and saying she had to commit benefit fraud just to survive so when the truth came out that she had no need to commit benefit fraud & had lied about her living circumstances/ income she could hardly then complain about the criticism she got from a large majority of New Zealanders.

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            • Gezza

               /  October 22, 2018

              I also remember the disgraceful expulsion of two principled members who objected to her lack of ethics as the party hierarchy piled into them for not buying in to their bs excuses that members and supporters were expected to accept & parrot. Shameful.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 22, 2018

            I meant when she was a single mother. Her account would have had us believe that she had to commit fraud or starve !

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            • Gezza

               /  October 22, 2018

              Yes I know, and I don’t want to be seen to be persecuting her when she has paid a heavy price for the extent of her deception & questioning of her ethics being exposed – but when supporters of the Greens choose to bring up past sins of other parties ad nauseum as though they prove their current unworthiness and dishonesty, they should expect to be reminded of their own party history.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 22, 2018

              Exactly…and that was a crime for which she could have found herself in prison.

              The gratuitous lies were an idiotic move that drew attention to the real story.

  2. sorethumb

     /  October 22, 2018

    Kiwi values

    Parr (2000) writes “[T]he views of New Zealanders are not conducive to the population of New Zealanders becoming more diversified globally.”
    From localism to globalism? New Zealand Sociology, 15(2), 304-. 335
    ………………………………………………………………….
    The Social Psychology of Social (Dis)harmony: Implications for Political Leaders and
    Public Policy
    Luisa Batalha, Katherine J. Reynolds & Emina Subasic
    Australian National University

    This work thus suggests that for multiculturalism to succeed identities need to be transformed. And, importantly, as Kymlicka suggests, this transformation applies not only to the minority but also to the majority. Indeed, perhaps the major identity transformation is required from members of the majority as their attributes are, as a rule, the same as the ones that define
    the national identity. Minorities need to be written into the self-definition of the national identity
    such as to imbue them with existential legitimacy as citizens in parity with the majority.

    Another means is through initiating a public debate about what it means to be, let us say Australian, where representatives of the citizenry are given a voice. The UK is an case in point where political figures have initiated a debate about the meaning of Britishness (Uberoi & Modood, 2013)

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 22, 2018

      Oh jeez, imagine initiating a public debate about it … perhaps concurrent with building a new Constitution … ?

      This would take it out of the realm of ‘Blog & Troll’ and put it on a much more sensible, reasonable footing, where relatively impartial facilitation can occur and politiking is at least more identifiable … ie Right Brigade “cloned submissions” …

      They’ve got you already though PG, if you think that being Kiwi excludes any ethnic identification … Mission accomplished …

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  3. Blazer

     /  October 22, 2018

    Kiwi values historically are’ Rugby,Racing and Beer.’…all 3 are under attack…from competitors.

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    • Zedd

       /  October 22, 2018

      stole my thunder.. 😀

      I still remembering hearing ‘Soccer is a poofs game’ (at high school).. & ‘If you dont like it here.. then piss off back where you came from’.. a very welcoming ‘Kiwi values’ catch-cry ? :/

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 22, 2018

      Damn that “level playing field” eh Blazer?

      Rugby’s gone professional, racing’s gone to the dogs … and beer’s gone boutique …

      And in the age of ‘free market’ competition, racing’s gonna be bailed out by the government!

      Go figure …

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  4. PartisanZ

     /  October 22, 2018

    Survey – “Do you have any comments or thoughts to add on how you think Kiwi Values have changed overtime?”

    PartisanZ – Yes, since the 1970s so-called ‘Kiwi’ values have been significantly informed and influenced by Maori activism and cultural rejuvenation – what Pakeha misguidedly call ‘the Maori renaissance’ – an expression of racial difference – while concurrently there’s been a move by some Kiwis to have the word “Kiwi” identified with retrogressive anti-Maori, reactionary propaganda, much of it racist.

    Hence the word ‘Kiwi’ has become culturally ‘borderline’. This survey does nothing to dispel this and indeed probably falls slightly on the ‘reactionary’ side of the fence upon which ‘Kiwi’ sits today.

    The other way so-called Kiwi values have changed is due to the enviegling upon this country by stealth, allure, manipulation and indoctrination of a ‘neoliberal’ economic paradigm – Rogerednomics & Ruthanasia – of fierce individualism, Darwinian ‘jungle economics’, so-called ‘free market’ globalization, “level playing fields” and government austerity offset by Charitocracy.

    A list of comforting words and phrases, many of them empty concepts today – like the lawns we no longer mow – is simply not going to cut the mustard.

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    • Pink David

       /  October 22, 2018

      I’m surprised you did not finish that post singing the Internationale.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  October 22, 2018

        Not my kinda song Pink David … but I did write one about it back in ’93 …

        “Say farewell … to a way of life we knew
        User Pays … and still pay your taxes too
        Say “Good As Gold” to a way of life now lost
        Some of you’ll be counting money … while the rest will count the cost …

        Bid your last, felt so good, felt like plenty …
        Now the width’ll be a good deal thinner and … forget the quality

        Say farewell, no point making demands
        Remember we’re in God’s Own Country
        Except we’ve …. forgotten … God’s … Commands.”

        I’m not a religious person either. I just couldn’t resist the juxtaposition …

        What would the Rightie equivalent of singing the Internationale be?

        Oh yeah … I remember … There isn’t one … Culture doesn’t matter second only to ethnicity in Neo-Zealot Land … “One Law for All” … provided its the Right Law …

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      • PartisanZ

         /  October 22, 2018

        And I’m surprized, Pink David, that you didn’t post this as an alternative song –

        I wonder if all the people depicted in this video gave their permission A) for their images to be used … and B) for Kiwi F*CKING FrontLine to use it as their theme song!!??

        I must ask Sam Neill and Kiri Te Kanawa …

        Kiwi Values need to be and I think are being redefined …

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        • Zedd

           /  October 22, 2018

          does anyone still remember the OUTRAGE of Hinewehi Mohi singing the NZ anthem in Te reo (1999 ?).. I was in Aust. at the time, but it made Intl news too

          things may have moved on, but I still hear that some ‘kiwi rednecks’ think that it was & still is unacceptable to demand we use ‘the Maori language’ in NEW ZEALAND !! :/

          “Nga mihi ki a koutou” 🙂

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          • Corky

             /  October 22, 2018

            Yes, I remember it well, Zedd. John Banks interviewed her just after a Maori caller had rung and told ”Banskie” he would ‘do him’ if he came up to Whangarei again.

            Of course ”brown necks” and white sycophants like you would never allow a programme like Bansksie had to ever be broadcasted again.

            Mores the pity.

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            • Zedd

               /  October 22, 2018

              oh how sad…

            • Corky

               /  October 22, 2018

              In more way than you will ever know.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 22, 2018

              It defies belief that Righties in Nouvelle Zeal Land can talk about ‘Kiwi’ Lefties as though they would ever be the type of Lefties who shut down talk-radio stations which cater to relatively minuscule Right Brigade audiences …

              Is that what Radio Hauraki fought its pirate radio war against?

              Doh!

              In fact the only actual occurrence of interference in broadcasting was Righties’ jamming of Uncle Scrimm just prior to the 1935 General Election

              … Uncle Scrimm, Colin Scrimgeour, was a Methodist Minister …

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Scrimgeour

        • Pink David

           /  October 22, 2018

          “And I’m surprized, Pink David, that you didn’t post this as an alternative song –”

          Likely because its something I have never heard of. I’m really not one for national songs comrade.

          “Kiwi Values need to be and I think are being redefined ”

          how can you have something called ‘kiwi values’ in a multi-cultural society, especially when some of those cultures stand fundamentally opposed to others?

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          • PartisanZ

             /  October 22, 2018

            Good question … or are you saying that Kiwi values are fundamentally White English values?

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          • PartisanZ

             /  October 22, 2018

            The period when Kiwi values were or were perceived to be White English values have passed …

            Today the question is: What values can all the cultures which make up New Zealand either agree upon or be lawfully bound by?

            Hence … redefined …

            If we had the public discussion … if we did the mahi … we might agree that “family values” was best encapsulated by the word “whanaungatanga” …???

            I don’t know. But it sometimes seems as though stuff like “Christian Family Values” is the thing most opposing progress in this area … just saying …

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  5. Zedd

     /  October 22, 2018

    Ethnicity in Aotearoa/NZ.. seems the traditional; Maori & Pakeha are losing their traction. I now prefer ‘Tauiwi’ (other tribes), which anyone can use, especially us, who were not born here 🙂

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    • I’m happy to be known as ‘Tauiwi’ – far better than ‘European’, which I have no empathy for.

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      • Zedd

         /  October 22, 2018

        with Brexit about to be ‘implemented’ ?
        Brit-kiwis will also, no longer officially be NZ-Europeans.

        do ‘white folks’ from USA, Canada, Sth Africa or Aussies who have come to NZ, relate to being called pakeha or even NZ-Europeans.. I doubt it

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      • Corky

         /  October 22, 2018

        Pete, I see your surname could either be German, Scottish or Irish. In fact you have a family coat of arms for the Irish and Scottish ”George.” If this is correct would you mind being called ”Irish” for example instead of Tauiwi?

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        • I’m not aware of any German, Scottish or Irish ancestry.

          My ancestry is Woodend, Bluff, Queenstown and Clyde, with a number of connections to Dunedin.

          In the distant past that I have had virtually no contact with it’s English and Wales. As far as i kn ow (very little) the George name travelled through the generations through Wantage, Reading, Liverpool, to Woodend, Invercargill, Bluff Dunedin, Clyde and Lowburn. Like many Kiwis I have a wandering heritage.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 22, 2018

          I’m perfectly happy to be a pakeha kiwi or a 4th generation native-born new zealander of long-distant Irish and Norwegian ancestors.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  October 22, 2018

        Yep – there’s nothing quite as welcoming as being called “other”. Very piquant.

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    • Zedd

       /  October 22, 2018

      when I lived in Aust. a few maoris told me, that they try to avoid the whole ‘maori/pakeha’ thing & preferred to just be NZers/kiwis.

      “All that ‘racial stuff’ was left back in Aotearoa” (paraphrased) 🙂

      One Aussie, once asked me ‘What do they called those ‘Abos’ in NZ ?” 😀

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  6. High Flying Duck

     /  October 22, 2018

    It’s all a great discussion these “Kiwi values”, but hasn’t Clayton Mitchell already shown that Kiwi Values are whatever your donor’s tell you they should be?

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 22, 2018

    Obviously put together by a journo/academic rather than a business man or woman.

    Left out the most important and valuable: trustworthy and reliable.

    Clueless.

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    • sorethumb

       /  October 22, 2018

      What about patriotism?

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      • phantom snowflake

         /  October 22, 2018

        Patrotism: “The excuse used by Hitler to effectively turn democracy in Germany into a dictatorship after he took office in 1933”. Nice ‘Godwin’, huh?!

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        • sorethumb

           /  October 22, 2018

          Patriotism makes societies work within national boundaries. You have no alternative example other than airy-fairy notions.

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          • phantom snowflake

             /  October 22, 2018

            Patriotism is the delusion that one’s nation of birth is superior simply because one was born there. A collective, national narcissism I reckon.

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            • Corky

               /  October 22, 2018

              Yes, but look at the alternative…look at the West. Imagine if Obama was still in office. How would he deal with that horde of refugees heading for America? Trump will probably handle them differently. These refugees want little of that Americana patriotism..

            • sorethumb

               /  October 22, 2018

              Patriotism is the delusion that one’s nation of birth is superior simply because one was born there
              ……….
              In the same way that everyone’s mother is superior and everyone’s son or daughter is superior.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  October 22, 2018

              Corky: As Gezza has covered quite well, previously, this “horde of refugees” would be much much smaller if Patriotic America didn’t conduct its proxy wars in so many countries!

            • Corky

               /  October 22, 2018

              I didn’t see Gezza’s posts. I think that excuse is too glib. The fact is American interference or not, these people just want a better life. Why head for the The Great Satan if America is so bad? And what of Mexico?

            • phantom snowflake

               /  October 22, 2018

              Ha! A bit of the old “bait and switch” eh? Refugees suddenly become Mexican migrants. I think I’ll leave you to it.

            • Corky

               /  October 22, 2018

              ”Refugees suddenly become Mexican migrants. I think I’ll leave you to it.”

              You tapped out too soon. Migrants. Refugees ..what really is the difference in this situation? Both want ‘in’ to America illegally. And I doubt American imperialism has anything to do with.that.

            • Gezza

               /  October 22, 2018

              Just on that issue, this horde of Central Americans known as The Caravan that are bursting thru borders on their way to bust their way into the US is outrageous. No matter what their motivation is that’s an invasion threat. No country can be expected to just let that happen, it’d be the vanguard. So if Trump puts troops on the border to stop it I’ve got no problem. The governments of the countries they’re fleeing from deserve the opprobrium of the world, not the US.

            • Corky

               /  October 22, 2018

              Do you think Trump will also face problems from within to let them in? The world will be watching. It could be a shit storm for Trump.?

            • Gezza

               /  October 22, 2018

              Oh yes, he definitely WILL face a shit storm from within, and without, but that doesn’t mean it’s not the right thing to do. If Americans want to have no immigration controls, no criteria over who they admit to their country, and to allow anyone who wants to decide THEY have a right to live in America because they hate where they are living now, then they need to get on with loudly proclaiming they will only vote for politicians who pledge to make no border controls their policy. Same for every country that criticises them.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 22, 2018

        Patriotism is a horrible delusion, on a par with religion, used to control the gullible.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 22, 2018

      @ Sir Aland

      Left out the most important and valuable: trustworthy and reliable.

      Left out the most fundamental one, in my opinion – honesty. Have we simply abandoned that now?

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      • Gezza

         /  October 22, 2018

        * Sir Alan

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 23, 2018

        I think honesty is a prerequisite for and a component of my two, Sir Gerald. Though you could have a trustworthy and reliable crook or killer they would only exhibit those traits selectively. But I agree it is another notable omission.

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  8. sorethumb

     /  October 22, 2018

    I voted twice, I suppose Action Stations will be telling it’s members to Celebrate Diversity and we will the wowed with the results.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 22, 2018

      Au contrere sorethumb … I suspect the NZCPR-KiwiFrontLine network will be fully ablaze composing “cloned” emails and letters-to-the-editor for people to send from their retirement villages and geriatric hospital beds …

      That ActionStation has picked up on the technique for use by their 200,000+ members, as opposed to Muriel and Don’s 1100-odd, is merely a testament to ActionStation …

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