Jami-Lee Ross ‘improving’, uncertainty over future

Jami-Lee Ross is said to be improving after surviving a “very real situation” on Saturday night and being sectioned and admitted in mental health care, but it will likely take time to find out what impact this will have on his future as a now independent electorate MP after the National caucus ejected him last week.

The Mental health Foundation is disappointed in how Ross’ mental health situation has been described and discussed in media including social media, and says it is necessary to separate political decisions from mental health problems – but this may not be simple given that Ross’ political decisions have been obviously influenced by his mental health situation.

NZ Herald – Jami-Lee Ross improving, getting the mental health help he needs – friend

Botany MP Jami-Lee Ross is improving but remains in the mental health wing at Middlemore Hospital, after surviving a “very real situation” on Saturday night, a friend says.

Concern for Ross’ health has amplified since he was picked up by police on Sunday and sectioned to a mental health facility.

“He’s a bit rough at the moment, but getting the help he needs. He’s in good care. Staff are wonderful,” said the friend, who did not want to be named.

“This was definitely not attention-seeking. It was a very real situation he was in on Saturday night,” the friend added.

It could take some time before we know what will happen from here.

Ross will continue to hold the seat of Botany unless he resigns, National leader Simon Bridges uses the waka-jumping law (a process that takes at least 21 working days), or Ross is deemed unfit due to mental health reasons (a process that takes at least six months).

The friend said there had been no discussion about whether he might resign, as Ross had “more important things” to think about at this stage.

Following Ross’ admission to hospital, several steps need to occur before Speaker Trevor Mallard would be notified that an MP was the subject of a compulsory treatment order.

Mallard said he had not received any such notice, but constitutional lawyer Graeme Edgeler said informing the Speaker was the last step in a process that could take weeks.

It was standard practice to take five days to make a mental health assessment, Edgeler said.

“But if the five days isn’t enough, it can be extended to 14 days. If those have happened and they still wish to compulsorily treat someone, they then ask a Family Court judge.

“If the judge makes a compulsory treatment order or an equivalent order, at that point the court notifies the Speaker.

“It would be exceedingly unlikely for a court to be involved at this early stage.”

If the court issued a compulsory treatment order, the Speaker would then ask the Director-General of Health and a medical practitioner to assess if the MP was considered “mentally disordered”.

If so, a further assessment would follow six months later. If the patient was still unwell, the Speaker would be obliged to inform the House and vacate the MP’s seat, triggering a by-election.

So unless Ross resigns the uncertainty looks like extending well into next year.

Early last week Ross said he intended resigning from Parliament on Friday, but on Friday he said he had changed his mind and would remain in Parliament.

It’s hard to see how Ross could function effectively now as an electorate MP, and he is likely to have lost a lot of support in Botany. Even if he recovers mental health-wise he would also have difficulty operating alone and discredited in Parliament.

Also uncertain is whether Ross will resume his threatened attacks on National and whether he will try to ‘uncover the bed sheets’ in Parliament. He seems to be confusing consensual promiscuity, which appears to be common amongst some MPs and associated staff and journalists, and the harassment and abuses of power that he has been accused of.

Cameron Slater, who has been giving mixed messages about his involvement with Ross before he was committed to a health facility, has threatened a number of times over the weekend to reveal some sort of information – “Just wait and watch what happens this week.”

One might think both Ross and Slater have enough problems to deal with already without lashing out further – they both may have little more to lose politically given how toxic and isolated they have both become, but as has been demonstrated in the weekend they are at personal risk from the pressures they create for themselves.

 

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  1. David

     /  October 23, 2018

    I think Bridges should use the Waka jumping legislation, its unfair to have Ross remain in the high pressure role as an MP for his own safety. The people of Botany are now without a local MP and given his behaviour when he returns he can hardly be effective in a place which is generally collegial.
    I doubt Ardern would say much if Bridges did, she does have some class and it will only be the scummy lowlifes of NZFirst who the media will flock to.

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 23, 2018

    Lucky to have a friend after this. Hope it is a real one and not a political axe-grinder.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 23, 2018

      I remain suspicious.

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    • As someone said on Twitter. “ If Slater and Lusk are you mental health support team, you’re in trouble”

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 23, 2018

        If it’s attention seeking, he is attracting the wrong kind of attention.

        I don’t think that it is. The medical staff would know a real maniac from a put on one.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 23, 2018

          I am beginning to think he might not be clever enuf to pull off such a scam, and he has certainly succeeded in bringing his whole world and reputation crashing down around him, but we must await more details of his state of mind and in the absence of those I’m not automatically buying it.

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  3. Blazer

     /  October 23, 2018

    what a friend Mitchell is to look after JLR and make sure he gets the best of care.

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  4. robertguyton

     /  October 23, 2018

    His colleagues have certainly shown their warm, compassionate side toward him thus far, lovingly choosing their words and sensitively refraining from worsening his condition.

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  5. robertguyton

     /  October 23, 2018

    “The National Party has released this rather strange statement:

    “Over the past several weeks the National Party has taken seriously the mental health concerns raised by Mr Ross and the medical professionals he has been involved with.

    “That has included seeking advice from medical professionals and involving Police wherever necessary to ensure support is made available to Mr Ross. It would not be appropriate to comment further.”
    TS

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  6. robertguyton

     /  October 23, 2018

    “And there are still so many other questions:

    Why did National partition the Yikun Zhang donation and will there be a response from the authorities?
    Will there be a repercussion for the Cathedral Club donation entry in Bridges’ electoral return?
    Will Simon Bridges see a further support fall for his clearly bad decision to proceed with a full blown investigation?
    Why did National try and hide the situation from the public for so long?
    What will Cameron Slater blog about next? His latest revelations have been brutal.
    Will National use the Waka jumping law? And if they do how will they justify their hypocrisy?
    When will Paula be deposed? And when will Simon’s time be up?”
    TS

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    • Gezza

       /  October 23, 2018

      Yes I agree those are all good questions. I had another two or 3 good questions over this dung heap explosion yesterday too. It remains to be seen whether the 4th estate or political opponents will pick up any of those and pursue them. Investigative journalism – or even bothering to do some research and fact-checking – isn’t something many of our print and especially tv editors and reporters are notable for.

      I personally would now like to know who all the bed hoppers are in the 2nd and 4th estates. Once I wasn’t all that interested but now I think that might be as valuable for the public to know as where these parties’ secret donations are coming from.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  October 23, 2018

      1. There is no evidence National did partition any donations. Ross said he had received $100,000 through 8 separate donations from different entities.

      2. No, there is a grace period given for all returns (unofficial) and National corrected the return very quickly on filing. This is not uncommon apparently. Graeme Edgeler has written on this and says even if it was prosecuted it would fail.

      3. Unknown on the support, but the investigation was clearly justified as the absence of it would have meant a predator remaining ion parliament.

      4. They didn’t.

      5. Who knows, depends what his typewriter says next…

      6. I doubt it.

      7. Like professional coaches, all positions are temporary.

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      • Blazer

         /  October 23, 2018

        ‘ Unknown on the support, but the investigation was clearly justified as the absence of it would have meant a predator remaining ion parliament.’

        so was that an unintended but fortunate consequence?

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  October 23, 2018

          On the face of it the inquiry unearthed a destructive influence in the party. It is hard to determine whether the leak investigation was a catalyst for the harassment claims because they were made before the report was released.
          The leak itself, however innocuous, was part of what was to be an ongoing larger destabilisation campaign, so finding the leaker was absolutely the right thing to do.

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          • Blazer

             /  October 23, 2018

            October 3rd -Duncan Garner…’Duncan Garner believes Simon Bridges has breached Jami-Lee Ross’ privacy by using the word “embarrassing” when announcing Ross’ personal leave.

            Botany MP Jami-Lee Ross is stepping down from National’s front bench and taking leave from Parliament to deal with personal health issues.

            ‘Bridges got stern during the chat when he said Ross isn’t the leaker of his travel expenses and this is not some kind of manufactured cover up in advance of the investigation,” Garner added. “He almost pleaded with me to believe that.”

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            • Gezza

               /  October 23, 2018

              I’ve not seen any evidence that contradicts Bridges if he simply said this personal leave of Ross’s was not to be taken as suggesting Ross was the leaker of his travel expenses, or that he didn’t believe it was Ross.

              That last paragraph is reportage, and there has been plenty of misquoting or out of context or incorrect summations of what people have said in the reporting of these events.

              Do you have a link to the actual interview or a transcript? I’d like to see what was actually said by each of them.

            • Blazer

               /  October 23, 2018

              G-https://www.radiolive.co.nz/home/on-demand/the-am-show/2018/10/simon-bridges-breached-ross-privacy-with-glaring-mistake–garner.html

            • Gezza

               /  October 23, 2018

              Yes, thanks. As I thought. Garner is giving his summary characterisation of what he claims Bridges said during a phone call and I don’t imagine it would be word for word accurate so it is virtually worthless evidence.

              I noted while listening that they have even inaccurately quoted what Garner says in the bits of transcript in the article beneath the video where they say Garner said that Bridges … “whet the appetite of a line of waiting political journalists who naturally wanted to know what embarrassing actually meant”

              They left out “a conger line of”. Need to hear the full telephone conversation because Garner talks too fast and that may be to distract the viewer away from some bullshiting.

              As Winston Peters has famously said recently: “Words matter”. All the words.

            • Gezza

               /  October 23, 2018

              But thank for the link, Blazer. Appreciated.

            • Gezza

               /  October 23, 2018

              Bugger. *thanks.

              I’m gonna go feed Eli. I’m too sloppy with my proof-reading this morning. Feeding eels is a good way to slow down.

        • PDB

           /  October 23, 2018

          The decision to find the leaker was the right one – Ross flushed out for his underhand ‘recording ways’ which would have only continued, Ross flushed out for his treatment of women, and Ross flushed out as needing his mental health looked at.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 23, 2018

        Here’s my quick take on your answers:

        Why did National partition the Yikun Zhang donation and will there be a response from the authorities?
        1. He said individuals, not entities, National’s GM said we need real, traceable names. Have the donations been traced back to real individual people and their source accounts been investigated for deposits for these amounts from one or more other accounts held by a single individual. The police should possibly be investigating this?
        Will there be a repercussion for the Cathedral Club donation entry in Bridges’ electoral return?
        2. Good answer.
        Will Simon Bridges see a further support fall for his clearly bad decision to proceed with a full blown investigation?
        3. Good answer.
        Why did National try and hide the situation from the public for so long?
        4. They might have tried to hide the Ross abuse and philandering situation from the public if they thought it had been dealt with once discovered -but if so, the reasons are understandable, no one has sought to prosecute him for this, and those criticising National would be expert at finding reasons why Labour or NZF or the Greens would be justified in doing it too if it were to happen in their parties. In fact all the Maori MPs are doing so with Meka. And the Greens maintain they were right to persecute Kennedy Graham and David Clendon.
        What will Cameron Slater blog about next? His latest revelations have been brutal.
        5. Correct answer.
        Will National use the Waka jumping law? And if they do how will they justify their hypocrisy?
        6. Because now it looks like something that no one in National or other parties had considered might happen gives a good reason for doing so, If they did use the waka jumping legislation, everyone with a working brain and no strong anti-National bias would smile at the irony, but support them doing so. They possibly won’t need to.
        When will Paula be deposed? And when will Simon’s time be up?”
        7. The correct answer is “eventually”. These things take time & are unpredicable. Look how long it took Labour to get it right with their underperformers.

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  October 23, 2018

          On 1 – I have heard Hamilton is a stickler for the rules, so if the donations were kept,. the names must have been found. The texts released make it clear that he was pushing for this to happen. I guess it will be looked at, but would be very surprised if this was not the case.

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 23, 2018

    Mildly amusing to see the media blaming National for giving Ross a hard time when they ran the publicity that did it. A pack of arseholes aren’t they?

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  8. Blazer

     /  October 23, 2018

    the bar must be high…

    “The father of a mental health patient who died is asking how a fake psychiatrist was able to treat patients for six months before he was stopped.

    Mohamed Siddiqui has admitted using false qualifications to work as a psychiatrist in 2015.

    He pleaded guilty in Hamilton District Court yesterday to four charges, including using forged documents, obtaining a licence by deception, and receiving a salary and expenses while working as a psychiatrist for Waikato District Health Board.

    DHB member Dave Macpherson, whose son Nicky Stevens died while under the care of the DHB’s mental health services, said it was worrying Siddiqui was a member of a mental health crisis team seeing people in vulnerable and dangerous situations.”

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  9. Zedd

     /  October 23, 2018

    Natl’s Politics 101; dig up as much dirt as possible, on your competition.. even personal & health-related issues, so it seems ? :/

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    • Zedd

       /  October 23, 2018

      lets NOT do this..

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  October 23, 2018

      What are you going on about? Ross put his own doctors in touch with National to “prove he was well”. He obviously is not and is now getting help.

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      • Blazer

         /  October 23, 2018

        why did he have to prove to National he was ‘well’…who diagnosed him as ‘unwell’?

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      • Zedd

         /  October 23, 2018

        ‘What are you going on about?’ sez HFD

        Its called offering an opinion; do I care if you or others agree, mores the point… watch this space.. 😀

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    • Corky

       /  October 23, 2018

      Or send someone to Aussie to dig dirt like Labour did.

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  10. robertguyton

     /  October 23, 2018

    Are we to believe that Ross’ claims are invalid or wrong because he is suffering mental illness?

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    • Gezza

       /  October 23, 2018

      No. Are we to believe they are right because he is claimed to be suffering mental illness.

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      • robertguyton

         /  October 23, 2018

        Agreed.Ross’ claims need to be tested for truth. I don’t understand your question. I think there are those who would have us beleive Ross’ state of mind is reason to dismiss his claims. I wonder if any National Party MPs were involved in sectioning Ross?
        “ScottGN 15
        From newsroom

        “Bridges said he had not found out about Ross’s admission for treatment until after the fact, although he would not comment on the role of anyone else in National.”

        https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/22/288592/national-seeks-independent-advice-after-ross-allegations

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        • Gezza

           /  October 23, 2018

          I don’t understand your question.
          There seem to be some who think that any questioning of the validity or otherwise of any of Ross’s allegations (some of which were shown to be incorrect) should be suspended forthwith for fear of harming his mental state.

          That is not so. He is in the right place to be as insulated from the inevitable and understandable discussions as is medically necessary or otherwise if he prefers. Nothing seems to be stopping him commenting via a friend.

          On whether any other National MP’s were involved in his being sectioned, as a matter of privacy, given what has occurred, I think it must be entirely up to Ross to say whether anybody else was involved, whether through a friend or directly himself. I don’t know that what has happened to him prevents him from making any public comment. He doesn’t appear to be unable to communicate – and I wasn’t when I was suicidal and severely depressed.

          It is entirely possible Bridges didn’t know.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 23, 2018

      That’s the charitable interpretation. The less charitable one is that they are wrong because he is an embittered narcistical liar.

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  11. High Flying Duck

     /  October 23, 2018

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  12. High Flying Duck

     /  October 23, 2018

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  October 23, 2018

      That one is applicable to Robert mostly.

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      • robertguyton

         /  October 23, 2018

        Hamish Price? Who, HFD, is Hamish Price and why do you pay heed to his or Liam Hehir’s biased proclamations?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  October 23, 2018

          Slightly amusing coming from you, Robert.

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          • robertguyton

             /  October 23, 2018

            My question is to HFD and asks why he pays heed. I haven’t criticised him for doing so. I’d like to know why he does. Is that “amusing”?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 23, 2018

              Yep, considering all the rubbish you post.

        • robertguyton

           /  October 23, 2018

          Hamish Price said: “JLR’s increasingly baseless attacks on the National Party”
          So Hamish somehow knows whether or not there is any substance to Ross’ claims; talented man! Does he pimp for the National Party? Is that his “thing”?

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  October 23, 2018

          Hamish was just pointing out a fact. Liam pointed out the nauseatingly self-unaware posts of people such as yourself.
          Do you disagree with the statement? Its accuracy is pretty self evident.

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          • robertguyton

             /  October 23, 2018

            That’s good,HFD. All you need to do now is copy/paste one of my “nauseatingly self-unaware posts” to show that you are making sense. I’m ready and waiting…
            What was Hamish’s “fact” – he made more than one claim?

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            • High Flying Duck

               /  October 23, 2018

              Hamish’s fact: ” @NewshubNZ staked out JLR’s mental health facility to get comment from his visitors. On getting nothing, they ran anonymous smears on the National Party from Cameron Slater.”

            • High Flying Duck

               /  October 23, 2018

              And take your pick of cherry picked “quotes” you peppered this post with:

              https://yournz.org/2018/10/21/jami-lee-ross-taken-into-mental-health-care/

              Offering ‘alternative points of view’ by pasting the same obnoxious un-self-aware view over and over by different posters at the TS.

            • robertguyton

               /  October 23, 2018

              Oh, I see! You mean the quotes I’ve provided are “nauseating”!
              Pete provides similar quotes from the likes of Cameron Slater et al when he’s posting on all sorts of issues – do you therefore regard his views as “obnoxious” and ‘“nauseatingly self-unaware”? If not, why not?

  13. robertguyton

     /  October 23, 2018

    That might well be a fact, though I wonder how smears from Cameron Slater can be anonymous – aren’t they from Cameron Slater? Lazy journalism, I guess. That said, so what? You pay heed to him because he wrote a fact? I’m still waiting for you to prove your “nauseating” claim…

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  14. robertguyton

     /  October 23, 2018

    “Unattributed, but from him.”
    ???

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    • Gezza

       /  October 23, 2018

      Please stop taking up space with petty trivialities.

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      • robertguyton

         /  October 23, 2018

        There’s a limit to “space” on Pete’s blog? In any case, you might not care if someone calls your comments “nauseatingly self-unaware” but I at least am challenging HFD to prove his slight. He hasn’t, btw. Is that called, “spray and walk away” or “hit & run”?
        As to “please stop taking up space with petty trivialities”, I’d have thought you’d have used that to respond to Corky’s “Or send someone to Aussie to dig dirt like Labour did.” But no.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 23, 2018

          That’s better.

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          • robertguyton

             /  October 23, 2018

            Off to a meeting in the city – our low carbon future or some such. I’ll read HFD’s response when I get back.

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            • Gezza

               /  October 23, 2018

              Me too. Although your original question might have been more appropriately addressed to Hamish Price. I tsimply ook it that he means Cameron Slater has been citing one or smears from other unidentified individuals.

            • Gezza

               /  October 23, 2018

              *I simply took it …

        • Gezza

           /  October 23, 2018

          I don’t see Corky’s post as trivial. Zedd is suggesting that National’s policy is always to dig up as much dirt as possible on your competition. Corky is reminding him that’s been a Labour tactic too. Let’s not even go there with NZF. Not sure if the Greens have done it yet but I’ll check that out later.

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  15. This is highly questionable of RNZ to be conducting an attack on a possible victim by someone other than JLR.

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    • duperez

       /  October 23, 2018

      Is that Hamish Price person someone who’d be likely to think that anything at all that keeps the pot simmering is deeply irresponsible?

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  16. Blazer

     /  October 23, 2018

    discharged from hospital..friend looking after him.

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  17. Mary-a makes a good point:
    “mary_a 6
    23 October 2018 at 8:09 pm
    Seems today Jami-Lee Ross was discharged from hospital and is now staying with a friend. According to the report, he’s no longer in Auckland.

    Sectioning resulted in a two day stay in a mental health unit! Obviously not a danger to himself or others then.

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018668007/female-mp-sent-abusive-text-to-jami-lee-ross

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  18. robertguyton

     /  October 23, 2018

    Ankerrawshark makes some interesting observations:

    Ankerrawshark 20
    23 October 2018 at 8:56 pm
    Some things that I think are curious.

    Rum our has it that mark Mitchell called the police to section Ross. Ross had already rejected Mitchell’s offer to “help”…… what the hell was he doing there, assuming there was the electorate office.

    Also radio NZ reporting they have a text that the female mp sent to Jamie in August which they describe as abusive about Ross personality and appearance ending with “you deserve to die”. It’s apparently a long text. This fits more with Jami-Lee description that it was a volatile relationship, rather than she was intimidated by him. I am sorry but imho that is not a text you send to someone you feel intimidated by”

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    • Gezza

       /  October 23, 2018

      1. Rumour has it? Who started this rumour?

      2. What is the full background and context of that text?

      3. What texts preceded that text and what replies if any were sent to that text?

      4. Is that text actually from who it is “believed to be from” and what evidence is there that it is?

      5. Who is the source of this information and text supplied to Lisa Owen (who should be shunned for any future interviews by any politicians)?

      Can you see what you can find out about these questions robert and paste the factual answers (not speculative ones) from wherever you’ve seen them?

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