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  1. Corky

     /  October 24, 2018

    Bridges has just told Mikey he has ”come through the fire stronger.”

    Damn, you have to admire the RIGHT attitude. However, as Mikey said ”perception is everything.” Soper was more poetic saying ”Bridges needs to reflect on his leadership.”

    Great minds think alike.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 24, 2018

      A bit dubious about the last sentence, Corks. Great minds tend to have their own perspectives.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 24, 2018

        Indeed. I do, Sir Alan. Hope this helps…

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 24, 2018

          It’s a cliche, Alan, and the user here doesn’t seem to realise that it’s usually used facetiously.

          ‘Perception is everything.’ is meaningless, of course.

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          • Gezza

             /  October 24, 2018

            Well, no, to be fair that is a common truism of Public Relations of which I have some background, got a merit pass in an 8 week course for, and that particular saying or similar versions that mean the same thing came up regularly.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 24, 2018

              That doesn’t make it mean much, though.

              There’s a perception that all Chinese are good at maths, but they’re not.

              There was a perception that daylight saving faded curtains.

              There are many perceptions that are nonsense.

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              In public relations is means a huge amount Kitty and creating the most favourable perception even when the reality is quite different or the promises made aren’t going to be lived up to is what often determines whether a product or a person or an organisation or a politician “sells” well at least on launch, and recovers well if there has been a disaster..

            • Corky

               /  October 24, 2018

              That’s a good answer, Gezza. I am beginning to see Kitty may not quite understand what is being written; and has had me erroneously thinking she is being ignorantly obtuse.

              She may only have an intellectual understanding of these subjects..and not any real world experience?

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              Righto. Thank you. Where’s my uptick from you then? You’d be getting one from me if it was the other way round. You sometimes score one from me.

            • Corky

               /  October 24, 2018

              Done. My masseur is here. I’m off for one hour of bliss.

      • Corky

         /  October 24, 2018

        You are correct, Alan. To add injury to insult..a not great mind has written it’s usually used facetiously. Well, I never. There’s always something to learn on this blog.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 24, 2018

          The old saying is ‘to add insult to injury’;, not the other way around, which is all but meaningless.

          To someone who thinks that Mike Hosking is a great mind, someone who actually is intelligent must seem unintelligible, beyond their understanding, ergo a subject for jealous insults.

          But one must hope that even you can learn something. (sigh)

          Mit der dummheit kampfen gotter selbts vergabens.

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    • Zedd

       /  October 24, 2018

      oh ha ha corky.. Bridges is DOWN to 7%.. TOTAL LOSER !

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      • Zedd

         /  October 24, 2018

        btw: If the ABs won a match 42-7.. would the losing team still think they are ‘the better team’ ?

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      • Zedd

         /  October 24, 2018

        Bridges/Natl new theme song ? 😀

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      • Corky

         /  October 24, 2018

        Er, Zedd, have you been on the pipe again? That’s good news. It means there is a better chance of a ”spill.”

        Wake up and smell the change of government.

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        • robertguyton

           /  October 24, 2018

          You can smell the National Party, Corky?
          Fortunately, so can everyone else in New Zealand.

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          • Corky

             /  October 24, 2018

            No, silly,…I smell the horse manure regarding our economy coming from Labour.
            Closer to election it will be the smell of voters crapping themselves because they can’t pay the bills.

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            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              That’s as may be, and remains to be seen, but at this juncture, and with latest poll results, grist deliveries to the Government for the 2020 election mill have been temporarily suspended, while a trainload has been diverted to National.

        • Zedd

           /  October 24, 2018

          ‘Er, Zedd, have you been on the pipe again?’ sez corky

          “Er, Corky.. I dont know what you mean !’ sez I&I

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          • Corky

             /  October 24, 2018

            Er, every avatar you use has a pipe hanging out of their gob. And there is only one topic that ignites your passion. Simple maths..1+1=3.

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            • Zedd

               /  October 24, 2018

              then what does your ‘avatar’ suggest ?

              we all have our agendas.. may I also suggest you just get over it ??

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              I don’t think I have an agenda. I just have a gender.

            • Corky

               /  October 24, 2018

              The 4 triangles in the middle represent the four elements of creation. In each corner is the powerful Aryan Thunderbolts of Indra. In between the top and bottom thunderbolts are six symbols that are the reverse of each other. These pay homage to the Hermetic principle of ”as above, so below.” Meaning any action must start on the plane above before manifesting on the plane below.” In other words..in reverse order.

              Not a pipe in sight, Zedd. I’m over your korero.

            • Zedd

               /  October 24, 2018

              ‘I’m over your korero’ sez corky

              “Ditto” sez zedd

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 24, 2018

              ” say I.

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              ;oops:

              Ok.

              I

              😕

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              Is anyone else going to say ‘I’ too – or do I have to do everything around here, including telling Al off, on my own? 😳

            • Zedd

               /  October 24, 2018

              there an old saying.. corky; If you ignore it, it will go away.. BUT If you constantly ‘add fuel to the fire…’ :/

              I wouldnt be too concerned about ‘avatars’.. I doubt Gezza, spends all his time ‘looting & pillaging’ (viking) but I could be wrong

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              Correct Zedd. Total failure at looting and pillaging. Dropped em for 6th form.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 24, 2018

              I said it.

              ” say I.

              Et ego loquit.

    • lurcher1948

       /  October 24, 2018

      Whose this”Mikey”??use his real…name

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  2. phantom snowflake

     /  October 24, 2018

    In the wake of Jami-Lee Ross’s hospitalisation there has been much misinformation throughout the blogosphere regarding the Mental Health Act and its usage to detain, assess and treat individuals. This piece by mental health not-for-profit organisation Changing Minds adds some much-needed clarity.
    https://changingminds.org.nz/being-sectioned-and-other-information-about-compulsory-assessment-and-treatment/

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    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      I’ll have a read of that a little later. I tend to forget that there is still fear, ignorance & prejudice in the community against those who suffer from mental health issues – of which there are many, some of which are easily treatable and some of which are not, or take years of working at it by the individual to be functional and as normal as possible.

      Having wrestled most of my life with genetically-linked anxiety & depression but spent most of it as a well-functioning, even popular, employee with understanding & supportive family and friends, and having known others with similar or worse conditions, I’m quite relaxed about admitting it and talking about it – especially as at this time of my life I am comfortable with accepting that I’m just like that, and it no longer worries me or makes me feel guilty or inadequate – because I’m neither. It’s just how I am and people like me.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 24, 2018

        It isn’t your problems that define you, it’s how you deal with them. Something Ross seems to have yet to learn.

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  3. Corky

     /  October 24, 2018

    Poor old Don Brash. They haul him out when it’s time for Whitey to be given a good kicking.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 24, 2018

      Yeah, I know … Poor Don … especially given he NEVER draws any attention to himself …

      Of Maori med school students: “They’ve gotten there DESPITE discrimination, not because of it”

      And Jesus Corky, if that’s a “kicking around” you must be some kinda Rightie Snowflake!

      Excellent balanced, respectful discussion …

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      • Corky

         /  October 24, 2018

        I’m trying to help you lighten up, Parti. Not working is it?

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 24, 2018

          Correct Corky … your lies are not working …

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          • Corky

             /  October 24, 2018

            What lies..what are you talking about?

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            • PartisanZ

               /  October 24, 2018

              “Trying to help me lighten up” is a damned lie sir …

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              Certainly not a job I’d try and take on.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 24, 2018

              Have a look at Corky’s original ‘Don Brash’ comment Gezza …

              Both of you just don’t GET my humour most of the time … when I choose to use it …

              Not my fault you don’t get it.

              Who wants to have a SoH just like everyone elses?

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              Yeah, I do get yours, PZ – it’s just not as broad as mine. I think I find a lot more things amusing than you do – it’s partly personality and partly genetic perhaps. Certainly my whanau has an impact. God what a pack of fecking clowns we are. Great fun tho.

            • Corky

               /  October 24, 2018

              You are right, Parti. I don’t get your humour. That’s because you have a high IQ only other high IQ people can understand.

              I do my best with what I have. But I try to be inventive:

              Why did the boy throw the clock out the window?

              Answer:

              Because it was broken. ( boom boom..no?)

              https://www.rd.com/culture/dark-sense-of-humor-and-intelligence/

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 24, 2018

              Those jokes are feeble and ancient. The one about the cannibals and clowns has probably been around since cannibals have been. It’s primary school level, and most of the others are, too.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 24, 2018

              I found your description of symbolism in your avatar both interesting and amusing Corky … You clearly have plenty of intelligence …

              Which means there’s a disconnect someplace else … Boom Boom!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 24, 2018

              As Basil Brush used to say.

            • Corky

               /  October 24, 2018

              That hurt , Parti. You are using your high IQ to take the piss..I think?

  4. robertguyton

     /  October 24, 2018

    “Observer Tokoroa 31
    23 October 2018 at 11:58 pm
    Judith Collins – Miracle Worker

    A lot of murmur about this attractive lady. Good connections with Cameron Slater and other unsavoury national stalwarts.

    Always in shot when the TV cameras are around. Shoveling up next to Paula Bennett. Except Paula doesn’t weild a Taser gun.

    A sympathetic visitor (using NZ workers’ money ) to Mao’s Beijing and a selected Businessman. So pleasing to the thousands of Chinese Expats in Remuera and Linked Suburbs in Auckland. Who willingly donate National.

    A true National in failing to support New Zealanders finding affordable Housing or affordable Rental Homes. A winsome way with the NZ Police Force.

    What I cannot understand is that she has done absolutely nothing for New Zealand for all the time she has been in Parliament.

    Judith was first elected: 27 July 2002; Member of the following Parliaments: 47th, 48th, 49th, 50th, 51st and 52nd …

    I think Mrs Boag could get more done – than Judith, 18 years and nothing to show for it ! Crikey !”

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    • Blazer

       /  October 24, 2018

      she has managed to eat her lunch for 18 years….now looking to ‘cut’ someone ..elses.

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    • Griff.

       /  October 24, 2018

      Shhh Robert.
      We like Collins.

      Collins has the support of the social conservatives within national but is disliked by liberals .
      National must get the votes of both social conservatives and liberals to win.

      She is the best person to lead National no mates into glorious defeats for years into the future.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  October 24, 2018

        I like your thinking on this Griff …

        Nah … I don’t think publicity is gonna make any difference for Judith …

        Is she capable of a PR ‘makeover’ do you reckon?

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        • Griff.

           /  October 24, 2018

          If you change a leopards spots is it still a leopard?
          No amount of pr is going to stop Collins sticking her foot into her mouth.
          She can not help herself.
          As leader she will be in front of the press all the time
          Sooner or later an issue will arise and she will react with the conservative “crusher” mindset .

          A new conservative party launched recently.
          https://www.newconservative.org.nz/
          Bad timing with the hoha going on.
          They seem to be Confused as to what they are.
          They have dr Brash and DPF headlining their conference.
          Both social liberals not Conservatives.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  October 24, 2018

            Don Brash is a “social liberal”? Do you mean “libertarian”?

            Can you explain …?

            Don Brash is surely going to play to the Conservative “One Law, English Law, Our Law, White Law” mindset of the Newbies?

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            • Griff.

               /  October 24, 2018

              Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty and equality.

              You are the one who puts race into law.
              It should not be at all.
              We are all equal under the law so race should never be a factor.

              If you can find a better system than a parliamentary democracy, one man one equal vote, responsible for making laws that apply equally to all you better explain it .

              Maori had no overriding law.
              They had utu .
              http://maoridictionary.co.nz/word/8937
              Which resulted in mass genocidal warfare.
              The concept of utu is closer to social conservative’s “eye for an eye” than liberal thinking.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 24, 2018

              Did you watch the Newshub discussion? Have a look from about 12:05 onwards …

              “If Maori had a 200 year head-start I guarantee you we wouldn’t be talking about this” says Miriama

              The obvious danger is tyranny of the majority.

              Maori had a lot more than utu. Theirs was a fairly sophisticated justice system. Muru, for instance.

              I contend that utu or “reciprocity” is actually the basis of our so-called Justice system too … although the ‘muru’ concept of recompense is not very accentuated …

              Utu only led to warfare involving really heavy casualties after the provision of muskets by Europeans and the severe disruption of hapu iwi culture by European contact and influence …

              And, finally, as always, race is embedded in our law via Te Tiriti … Why fight it?

            • Griff.

               /  October 24, 2018

              Oh do fuck off
              Maori had no justice system besides might is always right .
              No amount of glossy eyed revisionism will change that fact .
              They lived in fortified villages because the threat of attack was ever present. The treatys they made lasted as long as ever side did not break them. There was no personal property or justice besides the threat of violence to enforce your will..

              Just because contact with more advanced technology provided a better way of killing does not hide the nature of their society.

              And, finally, as always, race is embedded in our law via Te Tiriti

              The treaty is not the law and it will never be fully a part of our constitutional arrangements .That’s why they have to write” the principles” into law to make it mean anything. We can remove such racism just as easily as idoits wrote it in.

              provision of muskets by Europeans severe disruption of hapu iwi culture by European contact and influence …

              Do you actually know NZ history ?
              The musket wars predate settlement by decades .
              Doing the time of the musket wars Europeans were largely confined to the Far North or isolated parts of the ‘Deep South. The heavily populated interior largely had little or no contact with Europeans before 1840. .The disruption was caused by tribal fighting and had nothing to do with white influence besides inadvertently providing the technology of guns in fact quite the opposite white men were horrified by the indiscriminate slaughter. There was no way to prevent guns being imported as before 1840 there was no sovereign nation responsible for laws in this region of the pacific.

            • Brash seems more “librarian” than anything else.
              (Apologies to any librarians here).

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 24, 2018

              Nice opening there Griff … (I won’t stoop so low) … Do you have sources for any of your claims?

              How you can see through Climate Change denial and yet be a Te Tiriti o Waitangi denier yourself is entirely beyond me.

              While pre-European hapu iwi civilization was certainly a warrior culture, neither leadership nor justice was based entirely on might is right … (as if European leadership and justice wasn’t [equally] based on it too?) …

              If treaties between Maori lasted as long as whichever side didn’t break them then Maori were a lot like Europeans, weren’t they?

              Europeans whose ‘fortifications’ had perhaps been somewhat replaced by standing, conscript and volunteer armies back home in England … but who readily built stockades wherever they colonized?

              When you say Maori had “no personal property” – which they actually did have – do you perhaps mean the European construct “private property” as in ‘God-given Private Property’ …?

              “Principles of the Treaty” is merely a way for the Crown to avoid making Te Tiriti constitutional … and this will eventually change … It’s not racism it’s acknowledgement of racial difference …

              I know a modicum about the history of Aotearoa New Zealand. I certainly don’t rely upon European observers to tell me what pre-European society was like … This being sometime a contradiction in terms … Europeans had to be here influencing it in order to observe it, Right?

              But I guess, as you seem convinced of, Right Brigade revisionism would have us believe Hongi Hika’s visits to Sydney (1814) and England (1820) – where he observed Monarchy in action, the grotesquely iniquitous English class system and early industrial peasant squalor, plus still-legal slavery in all its glory – had no influence on him … nor indeed did either culture’s penchant for trade, which both Maori and Pakeha eagerly pursued …

              … and of course, the provision of muskets and ‘trade axes’ was entirely “inadvertent” … Traders, including Missionaries here to purportedly “save Native souls” didn’t NEED to trade in arms and weapons, did they?

              The White men who were horrified by the “Musket Wars” slaughter must not have been acquainted with any English wars and battles, e.g. The American Revolution or Trafalgar 1805, or any of the earliest contact with indigenous peoples by Europeans all over the globe, which far better qualifies for the name “genocide” …

              You’re Right about one thing, there was no sovereign nation, so Europeans and particularly English … Americans too … behaved just as barbarically as they possibly could here …

              And, I might add, I’m not saying that by modern-day standards some aspects of hapu iwi culture weren’t “barbaric” … They simply were what they were prior to European intervention …

        • Gezza

           /  October 24, 2018

          If you change a leopards spots is it still a leopard?

          Yes, if a dangerous leopard is a black panther, it’s still still a dangerous leopard, and still something no sane person would want to let in to the house.

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    • Gerrit

       /  October 24, 2018

      If you live in South Auckland you will know how much Judith Collins has done for the local constituents. If you live in Southland you wont know what she has done and can only sprout non sense.

      Her constituents (Papakura ward which is nearly the poorest of the poor and hardly the epicentre of the wealthy in Botany) keep voting her back in so in their eyes she is doing pretty good.

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      • Her share of the vote in Papakura:

        2008 59.68%
        2011 59.59%
        2014 46.07% (Dirty Politics year, she can probably blame this on Slater)
        2017 54.73%

        I’m not sure how that compares to the best Green electorate vote, perhaps Wellington Central (James Shaw):
        2011 13.63%
        2014 13.24%
        2017 15.39%

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      • Blazer

         /  October 24, 2018

        tell us what she has done for the locals…doesn’t want to live anywhere near them though…St Heliers if you don’t mind-Carpetbaggers Association.

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  5. PartisanZ

     /  October 24, 2018

    ‘Mainzeal failed while parent (Richina) made billions’ – Newsroom

    “Richina, the Chinese parent company of failed New Zealand construction company Mainzeal, owns assets potentially worth billions of dollars, according to information from the ongoing High Court hearing in Auckland. Investors in Richina, including Mainzeal directors Richard Yan and Dame Jenny Shipley, now have stakes worth millions – on paper at least. Yet despite significant loans from Mainzeal to Richina, no one could keep the New Zealand company afloat, or avoid losses to unsecured creditors of more than $115 million.”

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/23/288481/mainzeal-failed-while-parent-made-billions

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    • Blazer

       /  October 24, 2018

      fairly common M.O…Alan Bond used to play this game.

      He says if Mainzeal hadn’t run out of cash at the end of 2012, “I genuinely believe I would still own Mainzeal today”

      What a breathtaking observation….!..Yan is obviously a ..genius.

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  6. PartisanZ

     /  October 24, 2018

    “University of Otago law professor Andrew Geddis said the basic structure of the law was fine, but the thresholds weren’t … The high party donation threshold ($15,000) and low personal donation threshold ($1500) meant parties took advantage of the gap.

    Sometimes a larger amount of money was taken on as a party donation and repurposed for different uses … Other times, groups of like-minded people, who had similar political leanings and agenda, would donate up to $15,000 in order to remain anonymous.

    Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson said as long as political parties were accepting donations from powerful vested interests, there was a risk of corruption … “It is clear that those vested interests have a tangible influence on the decision making of political parties. This is a threat to democracy and should change.”

    ‘What’s wrong with our electoral laws?’ – Newsroom

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/23/288454/whats-wrong-with-nzs-electoral-laws

    Palmer & Butler have some even better suggestions that Geddis & Davidson, like the government matching small “mom and pop” donations $ for $ to encourage small donations …

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  7. PDB

     /  October 24, 2018

    When your neighbour’s dad turns out to be your father…

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/108055797/an-innocent-dna-test-changed-my-whole-world

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    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      That’s an incredibly touching story. I’m glad she has found peace and joy with this discovery.

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  October 24, 2018

    When you get sick of judges handing out soft sentences, there is a big reason for it…Chris Finlayson and National
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/10/hehir_on_finlayson_standing_tall.html

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  October 24, 2018

    So its true, the National party is the face of the CCP in New Zealand. For a $100k donation, you could get shortlisted as an MP to join the one from the Chinese spy school.
    PS 2 Chinese MPs are more valuable than 2 Indians as the CCP Chinese put you on company boards, good secondary income

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 24, 2018

      No, it wouldn’t matter how much you donated, it won’t make people VOTE for you.

      Anyone with that sort of money wouldn’t need an MP’s salary, they could earn a lot more for less work.

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  10. wooden goat

     /  October 24, 2018

    Interesting site on the (possible) person behind the so-called “migrant caravan” heading to the US (and no, it’s not Soros) –
    https://compassionateconservativesite.wordpress.com/2018/10/23/whos-really-behind-the-migrant-caravan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    – w.g.

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  11. Corky

     /  October 24, 2018

    These residents can kiss goodbye to their peace and quiet. Hello gangs, violence and general scumbaggary.

    This is cultural vandalism. Like state house tenants could appreciate this area.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=12145394

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  12. lurcher1948

     /  October 24, 2018

    Watching [deleted, use proper names for MPs] asking a question,in parliament, bad look behind her,Gerrys head spreading all over his shoulder and the male beside him head back mouth wide open, terrible look those two…not a healthy looking couple

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    • Corky

       /  October 24, 2018

      Lurchy, they might not be healthy..but trust me, their bank balances would ace yours anyday.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  October 24, 2018

        Well im not an obese walking heart attack waiting to happen and yes im older,AND fitter

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        • lurcher1948

           /  October 24, 2018

          So you know the value of my assets,interesting, what is the value of my share portfolio Corky???

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          • Corky

             /  October 24, 2018

            Zero..because you haven’t got one.

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            • lurcher1948

               /  October 24, 2018

              I’m not a nobody like you Corky,repost soon as the library closes soon and they want you off the public computer

            • Corky

               /  October 24, 2018

              Late night tonight..and they have new computers.

    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      Megan Woods seems to have a lot of trouble breathing when she speaks in Parliament and so does Winston & it seems fairly obvious why that is in both cases.

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  13. lurcher1948

     /  October 24, 2018

    Judith Collins the female called crusher by all and sundry who never actually crushed a car, sorry PG and she will NEVER become PM Corky

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  14. robertguyton

     /  October 24, 2018

    Aaron (of TS)
    24 October 2018 at 2:53 pm
    “Thankyou! – finally a blog that discusses that fact that the National Party vote represents the entire right wing vote and only looks big because there are no other viable right wing parties to shave their vote.”

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    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      Aaron hasn’t had much of a look around, obviously. That’s been a fairly common observation here on many occasions.

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  15. robertguyton

     /  October 24, 2018

    Trouble breathing in the House?
    Toxic fumes (the stench of moral decay) emanating from the Opposition side.

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  16. Corky

     /  October 24, 2018

    Damn..finally it clicked. Everyone is going on about how Paula and Jamie crossed the line regarding speaking of extramarital affairs in Parliament. But…remember bovver boy Trevor Mallard saying to gentleman, Don Brash,.. ” talking of affairs?”

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    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      Labourdidittooisms are acceptable to punters here, but please stay on this path and try not to stray into whataboutisms which, broadly speaking, are not.

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    • Ray

       /  October 24, 2018

      You know the rule, it is different when the Left do it.
      I know Trevor couldn’t take the high ground when it comes to morals but that just proves the point.

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  17. Corky

     /  October 24, 2018

    Our supermarket sometimes sells cheap imported American pork. People lap it up. They can’t believe their good fortune. I walk straight past such pork with my nose in the air. American beef and pork…not for me sir!

    https://www.rd.com/food/fun/burger-chains-antibiotic-free-beef-report/

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 24, 2018

      And vice versa, one imagines.

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    • Blazer

       /  October 24, 2018

      how can you tell its American pork?
      My understanding is most imported pork is Canadian?

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      • Corky

         /  October 24, 2018

        American flag on Label with the words ” Imported American Pork.” They may have Canadian pork at other supermarkets. I have never seen American pork outside my local supermarket.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  October 24, 2018

        Corky is the pork colored orange? in respect of the brightest most honest, smartest president in the universe, the pork celebrates the presidents face color ORANGE as his brilliance bursts out in orange

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  18. PartisanZ

     /  October 24, 2018

    Just arrived from a dear friend of mine … ‘Some Further Words’ by Wendell Berry.

    “Neither this world nor any of its places is an “environment.” And a house for sale is not a “home.” Economics is not “science,” nor “information” knowledge.
    A knave with a degree is a knave. A fool in a public office is not a “leader.” A rich thief is a thief. And the ghost of Arthur Moore, who taught me Chaucer, returns in the night to say again: “Let me tell you something, boy. An intellectual whore is a whore.”

    The world is babbled to pieces after the divorce of things from their names.
    Ceaseless preparation for war is not peace. Health is not procured by sale of medication, or purity by the addition of poison. Science at the bidding of the corporations is knowledge reduced to merchandise; it is a whoredom of the mind, and so is the art that calls this “progress.” So is the cowardice that calls it “inevitable.” …

    And just as tenderly to be known are the affections that make a woman and a man their household and their homeland one. These too, though known, cannot be told to those who do not know them, and fewer of us learn them, year by year. These affections are leaving the world like the colors of extinct birds, like the songs of a dead language.”

    Full poem – http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfa/poemquot/berry.html

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  19. Gezza

     /  October 24, 2018

    Ok, so, I spoke today to my other Indian dairy owner friend and asked him if he was offended by what Simon Bridges had said in that phone call set-up by JLR.

    “What did he say?” he replied. “You haven’t heard it??”. “No, what did he say? What’s it about”. I gave him a quick summary of the circumstances but another customer came to the counter and I said “Look never mind, my friend. I can’t describe it all to you here but if you want to google when you go home, it’ll be easy to find and listen to”, and I said goodbye.

    But, just as I was about to leave to go to NW and the Chemists (I had some “owes” to collect), my two middle-aged Chinese neighbours walked by my open garage door with their dog, returning from its walk. We haven’t chatted for yonks so we took the opportunity to have a good yack about the whole thing.

    They were both very well up with the play. To summarise:

    *neither of them believes Bridges is dishonest; both believe both Labour and National have various ways to legitimately disguise donors and donations and do so, and that this is regrettably how politics works in many countries & NZ is no exception

    * both think JLR is a “disgusting man” a narcissist, and thoroughly untrustworthy, and until some evidence or the police investigation prove that anything he says is true, and is understood in its entire full context with any other side of the story known, they simply don’t believe his allegations of corruption, except insofar as he has clearly acted corruptly himself and clearly also tried to entrap and possibly blackmail others he hates

    *I thought although he works in Finance he had indicated previously that he was a Labour voter, & when I asked him how he voted last time – he said: “New Zealand First.” I said: What ??” Even with the way he regularly stirs up anti-Immigrant sentiment just to get votes from bigots and rednecks??”. “Yes”, he said. “Why??”, I asked, incredulously.

    “Yes, I know what Peters is like, Gez. I don’t like him or trust him. But there was no other option.” His wife said she voted for NZF too. I said I hope you didn’t vote the way he told you to. They burst out laughing. (There’d been a lot of smiles & eye-rolling in this conversation.) “No” she giggled. “I vote how I want to, not how he wants me to. But we talk about this and I agree with him.”

    * on whether he was offended by anything anyone has said about Chinese buying votes etc, he said, more or less, as I remember: “Gez, I’m Han Chinese. The province my ancestors come from in China, when we visit, say awful things about people from other ethnic groups in China, and those people say equally awful things about us. Believe me, what is said about Chinese immigrants in New Zealand is nothing compared to what is said by Chinese people about each other over there. It doesn’t worry us in the least, Nobody has ever said anything like that to our faces and if they did I’d find out why and talk to them and see if I could change their mind.”

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    • Corky

       /  October 24, 2018

      They think clearly. A product of an education focused whanau?

      Did you see the One News survey re petrol prices? Strange that so many Asians are affected by petrol price rises ( 50% if I remember correctly).

      Big problems for Labour come election time.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 24, 2018

        They think clearly. A product of an education focused whanau?
        Yes and no. He’s very focussed. Their eldest daughter is doing Commerce. Their youngest daughter was being picked up after school from age 15 by a 28 year old part-time chef 8 years ago. The first they heard of it they told her to stop it and the first we knew of it was when there was a massive scene outside our lounge window when the prick turned up with his low-rent parents to get their approval for the relationship. Mum was a wild child when younger (she used to cut my wife’s hair and we chatted away fine) went right off the rails, she said, and was not allowing that to happen to their daughters. They gave her the choice in front of me – tell him no or never ever come home again – if you come home with a baby we don’t want to know you. It was her, not dad who insisted. The girl left with the waster and has never been back. So I don’t know what has become of her.

        Did you see the One News survey re petrol prices? Strange that so many Asians are affected by petrol price rises ( 50% if I remember correctly).
        Yes. In bits and pieces as I was also watching out for predators as one of my pooks turned up and they’re very scared now when they do that. Can’t say I picked up that they were mostly Asians but I remember one of the Foodbank guys saying things were bad and getting worse and some stats showing people have less to spend on food and other essentials.

        Big problems for Labour come election time.
        Yes, I think so. Part of the problem is that Labour MPs haven’t lived it hard, almost none of them, so they have little real idea whether their giveaways & min wage increases & other tinkerings they say mean there’s no problem for the poor are actually how the poor see things. But on the other hand National never looks kindly on the poor either and that won’t change and their tax cuts wouldn’t do much for the working and lower middle class voters either.

        Still time for Labour to produce the goods. They’re starting to appear competent in some areas now as their inexperienced Ministers show some grasp of the difficulty of the tasks they have. National are in Shit City, Arizona still and Bridges can’t really pull them out of this.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 24, 2018

          I’ll add, even ignoring the current shit storm – the natural tendency of the tv msm – by and large – is to rubbish the opposition leader (Andy and his predecessors always looked stupid or like whiners, they always presented them like that) Simon’s failure to fire on the teev and in Parliament has, as I was predicting before all this this hoohah, started to drag the National Party vote down in the polls, like Andy did, anyway..

          A different leader and Jami-Lee Ross bagged and booted will be needed – they know this. Everybody does, in my opinion but first they have to see Bridges exonerated by the Police. Bridges needs to refuse interviews and questions from Tova and Lisa because of their fake news and gutter journalism.

          It won’t be a problem. They will always just gun for him anyway so no loss. If he got boycotted by any other journos (they’re sharks who’ll happily feed off competitor’s carcasses imo, so this is unlikely) then the simple solution is for him to set up a Trump and Jacinda system and communicate via video clips and other electronic means (where they can control the message and the quesitons and the comments allowed to appear) via a Bridges Twitter and a National Party Facebook page.

          The msm will work with those but there they can control what the media has to work with and correct any lies or slurs with simple links to anybody interested to check.

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  20. lurcher1948

     /  October 24, 2018

    Petrols dropped at our local BP $2,40 ltr 91…and Dorkland moans,the tossers pay less than WGTN even with their fuel levy

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    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      Corky’s just said he was off to do something blissful with some masseur for the next hour, Lurchy (probably best not to speculate further here).

      You both look dejected but appear in pretty good shape to me. What went wrong?
      9.10pm

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  21. robertguyton

     /  October 24, 2018

    “An admisison of guilt (I/S)

    Over the weekend, former National MP Jami-Lee Ross was “sectioned” to a mental health facility. The police and health system respected his privacy, and didn’t talk about it – in fact, the reason we learned of it at all is because the National Party gloated publicly about it and talked about “seeking advice from medical professionals and involving police wherever necessary to ensure support is made available to Mr Ross.”

    This naturally led to suspicions that National had had him detained in order to silence him. National Party leader Simon Bridges was explicitly asked about that this morning – and dodged the question:
    Simon Bridges is staying tight-lipped on whether the National Party was involved in Jami-Lee Ross being sent to a mental health facility over the weekend.

    “I’m not going to comment on the details, and I’ll tell you why: I only learnt about it after the event,” Mr Bridges told The AM Show on Wednesday.

    “I have some second hand accounts of what has happened, but the reality is I don’t know for sure, so I’m not going to engage in that.”

    The idea of a political party weaponising mental health and engaging in Soviet-style tactics to silence their critics is one that most kiwis would find utterly abhorrent. Given how damaging the allegation of National involvement is, if Bridges could truthfully deny it, he would. The fact that he refused to speaks volumes.”

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    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      in fact, the reason we learned of it at all is because the National Party gloated publicly about it

      Link showing anyone in National gloating publicly about it please,

      The idea of a political party weaponising mental health and engaging in Soviet-style tactics to silence their critics is one that most kiwis would find utterly abhorrent. Given how damaging the allegation of National involvement is, if Bridges could truthfully deny it, he would. The fact that he refused to speaks volumes.”

      I have seen nothing that confirms any of those accusations made that IS smear job you reproduced there (can’t you just post a link so as not to pollute this blog with this stuff?) and it seems to me it is IS weaponising mental health and engaging in Soviet-style disinformation tactics to attack & attempt to discredit their political opponent here.

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