Slater threatened retribution for JLR, RNZ delivers

RNZ’s Checkpoint has gone alarmingly low in support of a campaign of retribution.

In the weekend Cameron Slater threatened to go public with dirt targeting people in the National Party, in a knee jerk reaction to the Jami-Lee Ross revelations of harassment of multiple women (at least four and as many as fifteen are numbers mentioned). See:

On Checkpoint yesterday afternoon RNZ delivered what looks like the first shot, publicising details of a text sent from a possible victim of Ross to Ross. This dumped on a National MP on behalf of ‘a supporter’ of Ross.

Whether the text (and reportedly other communications) were supplied to RNZ by Slater or someone else associated with Ross or Slater doesn’t make much difference.

For obvious reasons it has been assumed by a number of people as Slater (there is no evidence of this except for Slater’s threats and his claimed support of Ross over the weekend).

Slater and Whale Oil have a reputation for dishing out dirt. The over the top attacks on Len Brown just after the 2013 Auckland mayoral election is a prominent example, but there are many others.

Ross reacted badly under self inflicted pressure last week. Slater has a long record of acting poorly under pressure, lashing out. Both try to claim they are in fact the victims (they may actually feel they are victims, but their actions and especially their responses under pressure suggest otherwise).

RNZ publicised an “abusive text” “believed to have been sent to Jami-Lee Ross in August” by a woman who had aapparently just ended a relationship with Ross.  RNZ did not quote the text, nor could they give any context, but out of a claimed 61 words they quoted just four – “you deserve to die”.

The text includes a slew of abuse and personal insults about Mr Ross’ appearance and personality.

That doesn’t sound good, but one could presume there was a lot of angst and emotion involved, as there often is when relationships turn sour.

The text sent in August was 61 words long. The message – along with other texts – was provided to RNZ by a supporter of the Botany MP with his permission.

Questions have been asked on RNZ on this.

Like why they are dishing out dirt on behalf of someone who was committed to mental health care on Sunday (now reported to have been released in the care of ‘a friend’), regardless of permission being granted or not. RNZ don’t say what form this permission took. I hope they relied on something more substantial than the word of ‘a supporter’.

And why are RNZ involved in what looks like vexatious utu, after Slater had threatened to do just that in what looks like another attempt to destabilise and trash National. Slater has been running bitter attacks against National leaders, MPs and party officials for years – ever since he was shunned as a part of the Dirty Politics fallout in 2014.

I hope that Lisa Owen and Checkpoint producers and RNZ reflect on what they have become a willing party to, and revise their standards. It is probably too late to undo the damage they have aided and abetted, but they should give some indication that being a sock puppet of Ross and Slater is not a good look, especially for a public broadcaster.

Ross has gone just about as low as any MP has gone.

Slater has a long reputation for attacking and trying to trash people, he is probably widely considered to be the lowest of New Zealand bloggers (he has called himself a journalist but he is more of a agenda, money and hate driven arse).

Do RNZ really want to lower themselves to those standards?


UPDATE: Slater appears to confirm things. he posted yesterday…

It’s going to get worse for National.

…with a link to the RNZ story. Also:

Two sides to every story is what I am seeing here…and now the second side is being told.

The Slater side of any story should always be viewed with a lot of scepticism. He is a self confessed ’embellisher’ and is known to say the opposite of truth and reality.

 

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  2. Loki

     /  October 24, 2018

    Well they have Pete.
    Any mainstream media outlet would have done the same.
    Which is not a defence of Lisa Owen, more a comment on how bad they all are.
    It was Slater who busted him out and who leaked the text.
    I know this because a few of the old team still take calls from Slater. Due mostly to being too scared not to.
    However, they all still talk those of us who cut him out.

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    • Slater seems to agree. He posted a link to the RNZ story yestedray and said “It’s going to get worse for National.” And “Two sides to every story is what I am seeing here…and now the second side is being told.”

      The Slater side of any story should always be viewed with a lot of scepticism. He is a self confessed ’embellisher’ and is known to say the opposite of truth and reality.

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  3. artcroft

     /  October 24, 2018

    Interesting. I assumed JLR was sectioned by the police when they feared for his life. Now RNZ is reporting stories calling for his death. Very foolish.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      I assumed JLR was faking it because he appears to me to be sociopath or psychopath and they are expert when exposed or challenged at turning the situation around to blame their victims and trying to make them appear to be the guilty party.

      This is only an assumption – it is speculation – and I admit that. We don’t know and I’m not a clinician but I’ve been interested in what psychopaths are and what they do ever since Graeme Burton and William Bell put them on NZ radar, and subsequent articles over the years have shown that while the great majority of such individuals are not killers, they more prevalent in the general population than was previously realised and many of us have realised we have likely encountered such personalities at some point in our working or personal lives.

      That JLR has been released from a mental health unit already after much was made of his reportedly being sectioned but the details reported by elements of the media involved speculation and rumour, were generally murky, and seemingly inevitably involved smears against the National Party, and individuals within it, suggests to me that a deliberate strategy to blame and harm the victims of JLR’s narcissistic destruction is being employed by someone who knows how to present as suffering from a debilitating mental breakdown and that doctor-patient confidentiality means that
      a. there is an obvious requirement in the medical / psychiatric profession that someone threatening or claiming to have attempted self-harm MUST be taken seriously
      b. doctor patient confidentiality means any assessment that there are questions over whether this is genuine or a ploy and over what may be prompting the claimed condition cannot and will not be released under any circumstances
      c. it also means there can be no denial of claims made about what the medical advice is – except to a judge these details are sacrosanct in the profession.

      I remain deeply suspicious of JLR and his “friends”.

      It wouldn’t matter to me which party the main players were in the steaming shit pile Tova and JLR have created, I am totally disgusted with several low-rent journalists who have stirred the pile and have now added Lisa Owen to the list of those and their employers who I have think have deliberately sunk to the occasion by indulging in sensationalist gutter journalism for their own nefarious purposes.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 24, 2018

        Fair call, G. While it’s nice for Ross that he has one friend even if it’s Slater, it isn’t for everyone else.

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      • phantom snowflake

         /  October 24, 2018

        There’s been a lot of comment recently about narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths; here’s some more. The terms: Antisocial Personality Disorder, Malignant Narcissism, Sociopathy and Psychopathy very much overlap. The differences are unclear; some professionals have a preference for a particular term, and they are used in slightly different ways by different people. In recent times the terms “Sociopath” and “Psychopath” are often used interchangeably.

        Currently the standard test for determining if someone is a “Psychopath” is the Psychopathy Checklist-revised. (PCL-R) The person is scored on 20 traits

        – pathological lying
        – glib and superficial charm
        – grandiose sense of self
        – need for stimulation
        – cunning and manipulative
        – lack of remorse or guilt
        – shallow emotional response
        – callousness and lack of empathy
        – parasitic lifestyle
        – poor behavioral controls
        – sexual promiscuity
        – early behavior problems
        – lack of realistic long-term goals
        – impulsivity
        – irresponsibility
        – failure to accept responsibility
        – many short-term marital relationships
        – juvenile delinquency
        – revocation of conditional release
        – criminal versatility

        A person scores zero in a category if it doesn’t apply to them, 1 if it partly applies, and 2 if it matches them well. In most countries the cutoff score for someone to be considered a Psychopath is 30. Obviously this isn’t a tool which is meant to be used by we amateurs; still, I find it fun to play around with with various workmates or relatives in mind.

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  4. Blazer

     /  October 24, 2018

    running b/s stories to discredit Labour/ Cunnliffe,vintage letters of 11 years ,donations,paintings etc..is fine,but running stories that reflect badly on National!!=verboten.

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    • I’ve been criticising WO and holding them to account for years on a wide range of hit jobs. I have annoyed them to the extent that they tried to use the courts to take me down.

      So don’t try to smear me with this. It happens to be the topical story.

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      • Blazer

         /  October 24, 2018

        RNZ and Newshub are not WO.
        Commentators like Hooten are selective in their view of the ‘culture’ of these agencies…when it suits..them.

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      • robertguyton

         /  October 24, 2018

        ” It happens to be the topical story.”
        And I choose to broadcast it, aye!

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 24, 2018

      No. Some of us are here because our criticisms of previous Slater posts were censored or banned by the Belt zombie he had running his show.

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  5. robertguyton

     /  October 24, 2018

    What is it they say about wrestling with pigs?

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    • robertguyton

       /  October 24, 2018

      Good grief! National rusts slowly to death and Bridges vows to “hold this govt to account”!
      Deluded and desperate.

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      • Corky

         /  October 24, 2018

        Over leadership I have to admit they are deluded. In my opinion it would be criminal for someone not to be doing the numbers behind the scene.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 24, 2018

        Dear Deluded and desperate

        It does indeed seem that Bridges is dreaming, however in the circumstances, and given the nature of politics, this really is the normal sort of thing that happens.

        And he is certainly not the first leader of the opposition to be personally responsible for tanking their party in the polls and yet continuing to claim they will be holding the government to account (or stinks to to high heaven or words to these general effects) until they are inevitably forced to step down and hand over to some other individual who scores bedda with the public as a communikayda.

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      • Trevors_elbow

         /  October 24, 2018

        “Deluded and Desparate”…. you need to add where your from for that phrase to really work as your by line Robert. Though as it stands it fits you like a custom made glove…

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  7. duperez

     /  October 24, 2018

    Matthew Hooton is concerned about Lisa Owen taking the Newshub culture to RNZ. The inference is that standards have to be maintained. Um, isn’t Hooton a regular on RNZ?

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    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      Yes … but is he a NewShub culturer too?

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    • Pickle Possum

       /  October 24, 2018

      Yes duperez When Matthew H is on RNZ … it is turned off quick smart.
      I think he must be related to Desperate and Deluded that geeza was referencing.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 24, 2018

        Are you related to PickleD Possum, by any chance, young lady? 😉

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 24, 2018

          D and D must be a descendant of Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

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          • Gezza

             /  October 24, 2018

            Posted in wrong place, by any chance?

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 24, 2018

              No, PP made a reference to D & D.

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              Oh, yes. Should have scrolled up. Humble apologies to you, madame.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 24, 2018

              Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells is the generic name for newspaper correspondents in the UK.

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              I sometimes used to be” Concerned mother of 5, Kelburn” at work.

              I’d forgotten that until it turned cited back to me with a smiley face in one of the kind remarks from a female colleague with a GSOH on my farewell card from work.

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              *turned up cited back to me…

  8. PartisanZ

     /  October 24, 2018

    It’sa bit like Jordan threatening retribution on the United States …

    https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/which-countries-hate-america-the-most.html/

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  9. Kitty Catkin

     /  October 24, 2018

    The text is vicious, but Pete explains it away as probably caused by angst and emotion when a relationshio ended, I wonder if excuses would be made had it been from JLR to the woman: probably not.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      What does the text it’s in reply to say?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 24, 2018

        We don’t know thar there was one.

        The fact that his supporter made it public with JLR’s permission would make me think not.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 24, 2018

          The fact that we don’t know, and that I think:

          * it would be most unusual for a person “believed to be” the one stated to suddenly send an apparently self-compromising text like that, completely out of the blue, for no reason and in response to no particular stimulus, and

          * the subversive, leading, misrepresented nature of the surreptitiously-recorded phone call, and the

          * misleading selective texts re donations to the National party

          all provided by JLR – lead me to be suspicious about the true context and story behind anything and everything he does or says.

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    • robertguyton

       /  October 24, 2018

      Quite right, Kitty. Pete is hyper-sensitive about the text. He believes, despite the lack of evidence, the female Nat MP was assaulted by Ross. He assumes (seemingly) the reverse isn’t possible. Paula Bennett made comments about Ross of a similar nature but hasn’t been criticised for that here.

      [A number of false claims here. Stop making things up. PG]

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 24, 2018

        All that I have heard her say was that his conduct was inappropriate for a married man, but assault is inappropriate for anyone.

        Pete does seem to think that accusations against men must be true. I may be doing him an injustice.

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        • robertguyton

           /  October 24, 2018

          outofbed 24
          24 October 2018 at 11:33 am
          “So National party unified eh ?
          One mp wants another one dead
          Leader thinks one more fucking useless
          Leader wants 2 or more to quit
          Leader no respect for Indian mps
          Collins undermines leader ,I would have handled better..
          Dep leader thinks it ok for married female mps to have affairs but not males
          And this is what we know.. dysfunctional party in dissaray .I reckon”

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          • High Flying Duck

             /  October 24, 2018

            You have a great mind for fiction Robert.

            One MP want’s an ex-Nat to F.O. after ending an obviously disturbing relationship – and he has.
            Leader spoke candidly and apologised
            Leader wants renewal in the party and mentioned MP’s who are not returning at the next election of their own accord.
            Leader made no comment about Indian MP’s at all.
            Collins didn’t say that. She said she would not have tolerated JLR’s behaviour. Some took that as a slight, but most rational people saw it as backing SB’s actions in sending him home.
            Deputy leader said no such thing and implied no such thing.

            Otherwise, spot on as usual there Robert!

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            • robertguyton

               /  October 24, 2018

              It’s a quote,. Someone else’s opinion but worth considering, imo.

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              No it’s not – it’s a politically-motivated blatant smear against the National Party and individuals and HFD explains why.

            • robertguyton

               /  October 24, 2018

              Outofbed gave his/her opinion, HFD gave his/hers. Pete loves this sort of to-ing and fro-ing of views. You seem very sensitive to tone, Gezza and that of lively lefties seems to provoke a defensive reaction in you. Nothing wrong with that, just saying’.

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              Opinions on the performance of politicians I happily accept, agree or disagree. Ironical teasing where it’s evident that’s what it is, I’m comfortable with seeing and doing. Blatant smears I generally detest. Pretence that they’re something other than I have a very good radar for.

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              And that smear radar is switched on and gets plenty of use against righties and lefties and any other shade when I think they’re bad enuf, as I’m sure some righties here will unhappily attest to.

              I don’t pretend or claim to be saintly perfect myself, but I try not to smear. If I ever come across as having simply smeared anyone, someone is either missing a point I’m trying to make and have failed at, or they’re being obtuse.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 24, 2018

              Here is a clue for you, Robert. Did outofbed present those as opinions or statements of fact?

              So why did you attempt to pass them off as opinions?

            • “Statements of fact”?
              I read those all the time here, Alan, from you and others. I regard most of them as opinion.

  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 24, 2018

    The Herald reports/confirms Slater is Ross’s new BFF:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12148042

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    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      Both parties will, I assume, through common sense & experience have knowingly recorded their telephone conversation(s) (and Bridges be recording a lot more of his in future), given the potential for selected excerpts which misrepresent entire conversations to be used by Bridges’ enemies and, now, their enablers in the msm.

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    • PDB

       /  October 24, 2018

      Ok – so that pretty much confirms Slater (or his mate) gave the texts to RNZ and they ran the story (that wasn’t really a story – more a lame attempt to paint Ross as the victim in one failed affair/ relationship)?

      If true then you have to seriously question their decision making.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 24, 2018

        To quote Aesop: A man is known by the company he keeps.

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        • robertguyton

           /  October 24, 2018

          Bridges hung out with Ross.

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          • robertguyton

             /  October 24, 2018

            What about..the female Nat MP who kept company with Jami-Lee – will she be known because of that?

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            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              Yes. She already is known for that. I expect it will damage her politically. Women I know who can’t stand JLR or what he’s claimed to have behaved like also think very badly of her.

          • Gezza

             /  October 24, 2018

            Bridges hung out with Ross.

            Did he? Socially, at home? How often? And getting stuck with your colleagues happen in political parties and office environments but I didn’t “hang out” with my workmates. We had Friday night drinks once a month or even weekly sometimes (we paid for the wine and chippies ourselves). I still didn’t exactly “hang out” with them.

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      • PDB

         /  October 24, 2018

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        • Gezza

           /  October 24, 2018

          Surprised at Lisa Owen,
          So was I, but only a bit, when I thought about what she’s been like on The Nation sometimes.

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  11. oldlaker

     /  October 24, 2018

    It’s clear Slater is suddenly influential again through his friendship with Ross after years in the wilderness after Dirty Politics. But his time he’s not on National’s side. He will make them pay for abandoning him. Bridges said this morning “JLR s not my problem”. I think that will turn out very much to be wishful thinking.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      When and where did he say that?

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        • Gezza

           /  October 25, 2018

          Thanks for that, pants. That’s not quite exactly what Bridges said. He said:
          He is no longer, in a sense, my problem because he is not a National MP because caucus unanimously expelled him, and I suppose we will just take every day as it comes with Jami-Lee Ross.

          Quoting our much-revered Silver Fox ( 😉 ) again: “Words matter.” All the words, and often the context & the entire discussion, if one wants to understand their meaning or message.

          Some of the rest is a bit desperately & perhaps unrealistically optimistic:
          “The underlying strength of us comes through very clearly under my leadership in this poll,” Bridges said.

          National had been working against a “pretty hopeless Government”.
          Well, the jury’s still out on that, this poll suggests.

          “It’s the party vote poll that matters and under me, it’s incredibly strong.”
          Now you’re being either silly or deluding yourself. It’s dropped, under you, and most likely because of you. This is what Andy Little did to Labour and I think it’s pretty clear you were having that impact before the JLR shit-storm hit the jet engine.

          Meanwhile, Newstalk ZB political editor Barry Soper told Mike Hosking given the week National is actually doing fairly well. “Considering the opinion poll was taken right in the middle of the storm for the National Party, I think that is a pretty remarkable result.”

          I think that’s true. Although most of their latest popularity rating is core National support that would take a lot of crap to bleed off much more and may recover at the next poll, depending which party is most in the poo for whatever issue is being splashed about in the msm (particularly tv news) at the time it’s taken.

          “It’s a party without a partner, even John Key with all his popularity couldn’t do it on his own, and that is National’s biggest problem at the moment.”

          However, Soper disputed Bridges’ claim that Jami-Lee Ross was no longer his problem. “He will be no doubt turning up to Parliament at some stage and he has got the key to the closet where all the skeletons are. He knows everything about the National Party being the former whip, so I still think he is a problem.”

          Yes, he definitely is. He will be a problem for Simon and for National for quite a long time and has wounded the reputations of Simon and several other National MPs, although nowhere near as much as he has destroyed his own.

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    • PDB

       /  October 24, 2018

      Everything Ross has released so far has been lame – I don’t expect the police will press charges either over the donation.

      If anything the public will be even less likely to be in the JLR camp knowing that he has Slater and co representing him.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 24, 2018

        As far as I’m concerned this remains to be seen. A forensic backtracking of deposits into all related accounts and establishment of their source(s) might yet prove problematic for National or Bridges, and if so, certainly it would for Ross, who arranged them.

        I wouldn’t predict anything, personally. They should just get a move on and announce the result. Surely to hell it can’t take all that long.

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    • robertguyton

       /  October 24, 2018

      Agreed, oldlaker.

      Reply
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