Whale Oil at further risk over JLR fallout

Whale Oil is risking a further slide from influence and credibility in the fallout over the Jami-Lee Ross saga, with Cameron Slater threatening to run an attack campaign against Simon Bridges and national MPs and party officials. This is a continuation of a bitter war Slater has waged since he was ostracised and isolated from the party.

Whale Oil has slumped in influence, and it has also been sliding in support. This latest hissy fit is likely to drive more people away from the blog, at a time that Slater is trying to raise donations and revenue to pay for what be large and growing legal bills as a result of past campaigns of attack that have resulted in defamation actions against Slater.

Whale Oil grew to be the biggest political blogging and social media presence in New Zealand, peaking in 2014 before two major changes – first due the purges of commenters through the middle of the year to try to impose control and threats over messaging, and then the publishing of Nicky Hager’s ‘Dirty Politics’ in August.

WO has stumbled and fallen since then.

Most of the time now Slater seems barely interested or involved, posting a couple of token cut and paste moans a day. Most of the blog is now dominated with click bait filler, apart from the fund raising advertisements.

It is hard to know what WO site statistics are doing but they must be waning. A slump in the number of comments is noticeable, which suggests the support base is dwindling.

As well as being a shadow of his former blogging status Slater has kept annoying his base. He raised eyebrows and ire with his campaign against National through last year’s election campaign.

Slater was frequently questioned and criticised for his support of Winston Peters in what must be one of the most remarkable switches in support in New Zealand politics. Prior to this Peters had been a frequent target of Slater.

It seemed that Slater saw a rise in NZ First as the best way of dumping on National. It also coincided with Slater being represented in his defamation trial versus Colin Craig by Winton’s lawyer.

Since last year’s election Whale Oil has been reinvented as a multi author magazine style site with a bare minimum input from Slater. Numbers that matter seemed to be down but it chugged away with some remaining community support.

But last week on the bck of the Ross saga Slater re-emergence as a bitter opponent of Bridges, Paula Bennett, John Key, Bill English and just about everything National. He tried to distance himself from what Ross was doing, but has given contradictory signs of how closely he has been involved there.

In the weekend when he threatened to revive his war against National this week there was noticeable opposition in comments (there was some support but some of that at least looked like manufactured sock puppet support).

A slump in comment numbers suggests that WO support has taken another hit.

This isn’t good timing for attempts to boost site revenue that appears to be required to foot the growing legal bills. The Craig v Slater judgment is still not out (but lawyers tend to want their bills paid). Slater was back in court early this month after he ran out of delaying efforts in the defamation case Matthew Blomfield took against him.

Indications are that this didn’t go well for Slater and his company (Social Media Consultants are co-defendants). Slater has been publicly quiet about the outcome, which is a sign that things didn’t go well. The pre-trial confidence of ‘Bill Brown’ has dissipated. The trial was set down for 4-6 weeks, but it appears to have been over in about a week. These are all signs that the legal stress has ramped up.

So annoying remaining supporters is going to make things tougher, especially as more of them wake up to the bullshit and lies Slater has been spinning.

On Kiwiblog yesterday David Farrar suggested the opposite to Slater in Maybe time for media to pause also but more telling were some of the comments that would not be allowed on WO:

“However, Cam Slater has promised that there will be more action this week. I hope this is just his usual empty bluster.”

“I hope they pause today and realise nothing good comes of what is now looking like Slater’s personal vendetta against National with JLR as his and Lusk’s mouthpiece.”

“Yes, WhaleOil seems determined to bring down Simon Bridges. My opinion of Slater has sunk further after this sorry saga.

“As has mine and also that of his wife, who I used to think of as the sensible one in the marriage. After her weekends efforts on Twitter I see she is just as bad.”

“As an avid supporter of WO for a long time, I will not be contributing, or reading it again either.”

“I used to be a regular WhaleOil reader and considered Slater to be trustworthy and politically astute. I came very close to donating money to him. However, various things slowly turned me off. The final straws were the insane UN Resolution 2334 campaign and the NZ First endorsement.”

“When key left and Collins was not nominated as leader he just went into meltdown for no other reason that English was in the party when his father was kicked out, it has moved from an actual right wing political site to a more left wing site of ‘lets show the bastards I’m not to be ignored’ anti national site. And the site commentators dare not tell him him he is wrong or they will be banned. His site is quickly slipping into irrelevance.”

“WO must have got up this morning and sucked on half a dozen lemons because hes back at it this morning slagging off the National Party.”

“I for one will no longer give his rants my eyeballs and thus the clicks he so desperately desires.”

“Blinded by Utu – regardless of whether there was proximate cause several years ago is still blinded.

Slater has lost my respect – and I am someone who funded his court case and put a couple of hundy his way to help the blog a year or so back.

Maybe I am a slow learner and he was always a vicious nutter, but I thought he was a refreshing antidote to the PC bollox on the MSM.

Maybe he will be again one day, but this third rate attempt to create an Iago to take down National is just cretinous.”

“Yes and their Leader blubber is trying to turn it into a cult with his lies and innuendo, you only have to read the dozen or so posts on backchat by this idiot to see how most of the deluded followers jump in behind and praise his demented agenda. How the NZ Media can take comments from a person like this just show how immoral corrupt they are.”

Most of the media now ignore Slater, but he may have got some utu support from RNZ – see Slater threatened retribution for JLR, RNZ delivers.

But this is likely to help drive WO into irrelevance.

Yesterday Slater posted another anti-National moan: Of course they won’t use the waka jumping law, they’d confirm what a bunch of hypocrites they really are

Typically ironic Slater says in comments:

Amazing how quickly one can sell out their principles isn’t it?

Another commenter:

I don’t think journalists will be digging up much in the forseeable future. There’s total silence in the msm while Mr Ross focuses on his recovery. And it would be inappropriate for National to take any action while Mr Ross is resolving his own issues.

That’s ironic given Slater’s promise to dig and dish dirt. Another commenter:

Why would anyone want to do a`deal` with a person who has the propensity to wake up one morning and throw all the toys out of the cot, destroy his family due to his weaknesses and show neither trust or integrity in both personal and professional life? You sure as hell would not want someone like that standing behind you in the trenches.

Slater responded:

You really don’t know what you are talking about. You are only going on information that was fed tot eh media, designed to push people like you into a place where you only believe what you have read, Why don’t you pause and work out why it is that someone would have gone nuclear. Perhaps they had no more choices, they knew they were being lined up and did whatever it took. Think about that for a minute.

Trying to claim Ross is a victim with no choice but to lash out. But Slater has a long record of claiming the opposite of truth and reality.

The numbers say quite a bit. That looks like Slater’s main post on JLR yesterday. 42 comments.

The Kiwiblog JLR post had 171 comments.

Uncharted Waters at The Standard, 174 comments.

Even on this little blog Jami-Lee Ross ‘improving’, uncertainty over future has 78 comments.

In inverse proportion to the level of Slater whining Whale Oil was already waning. They may survive, at least until a defamation judgment hits them financially, but the Whale is sliding into further irrelevance as they annoy even those supporters who held on for years.

Slater on Whale Oil had already largely become Wail Oil, but now seems more like Whimper Toil.

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48 Comments

  1. Blazer

     /  October 24, 2018

    use proper names…please.

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  2. PartisanZ

     /  October 24, 2018

    Their “credibility and influence” can slide FURTHER!?

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    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      Understandable reaction. I think there’s still scope for deterioration, PZ.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  October 24, 2018

        Yep, I guess there’s no knowing how low you can go ’til you get there eh?

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        • Gezza

           /  October 24, 2018

          Will be one of those to whom this famous and oft-quoted performance review summary would apply, I should think:

          “Since my last report, he has reached rock bottom and started to dig.”

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  3. Tipene

     /  October 24, 2018

    You have got to hand it to Slater on his photo juxtaposition though:

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/10/despicable-text-sent-to-jami-lee-ross-by-female-mp/

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  4. Saving grace with the WO website is that he doesn’t completely restrict his other authors from a editorial line that contradicts his.

    I’ve seen a fair few anti NZfirst/Winston posts from people who aren’t Cameron Slater. Usually less shrill.

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  5. Sunny

     /  October 24, 2018

    I agree about your analysis. Whaleoil is toxic and would be great to see his influence lessened even further. While I personally like Kiwiblog and this blog it’s more for those interested in politics, Whaleoil does fill a different niche. More populist , more pics, more videos and more simple populist analysis of media (like calling out fake news on people playing victims in the news) and also an Auckland based blog that covers council issues. Would be good to see a new blog come up (Spinoff for the righties) that had a more Auckland, magazine type style that could maybe take Whaleoils place.

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    • That’s interesting. bridges called Slater, then presumably made it known to media that’s what he’d done.

      Slater seems to thrive on shitting on people from a distance. He doesn’t handle being confronted with a different reality so well. It will be interesting to see if he refers to this in any posts tomorrow now that Bridges has personally made his part in dealing with Ross clear.

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  6. robertguyton

     /  October 24, 2018

    Muttonbird 7.2
    24 October 2018 at 9:34 pm
    “Pretty scary that yet another National Party leader is now in phone contact with Cameron Slater. Why on earth do they do it?”

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    • PDB

       /  October 24, 2018

      I’m not sure if you regularly posting other people’s comments from crap blogs is an effort to make yourself look a bit better because they are some dumbass comments – Bridges called Slater (and let the media know) as Slater is now JLR’s mouth piece & the only way to find out how JLR is doing. I’d be more concerned that RNZ (that left-wing paradise) is running hit-job articles based on select texts Slater and co have given them without saying they are dealing with Slater and co.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      Got me intrigued too. Assuming they all know they are recording each other it will be interesting to see what comes out of this. Prosecutor vs tricky devil.

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  7. robertguyton

     /  October 24, 2018

    “…despite being close to many of its MPs at one stage and a text confidante with former Prime Minister Sir John Key.”

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  8. robertguyton

     /  October 24, 2018

    “It puts the blogger back in a prime position of influence after years in the political wilderness following the 2014 publication of Dirty Politics”
    Better watch out, Pete!

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    • Gezza

       /  October 24, 2018

      Why?

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      • robertguyton

         /  October 24, 2018

        The Leader of the Opposition is calling him?
        Has he called you?

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        • robertguyton

           /  October 24, 2018

          Oh! Why should Pete worry? He’s been badmouthing Slater since forever. Publicly.

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        • PDB

           /  October 24, 2018

          I’d be far more concerned if you called me Robert – at least Bridges is relatively sane.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 24, 2018

          Pete hasn’t been called by the Leader of the Opposition, as far as I know?
          What the fuck are you banging on about? 😳

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          • robertguyton

             /  October 24, 2018

            Exactly! Slater’s somehow contrived to have the Leader of the Opposition call him. Pete hasn’t.

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            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              Of course he bloody hasn’t you idiot! Why the hell would Pete want to contrive to have the Leader of the Oppositon call Slater?

        • Gezza

           /  October 24, 2018

          Has he called you?

          No. Why the hell would Pete be calling me for god’s sake? How many hours sleep have you had?

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          • robertguyton

             /  October 24, 2018

            [Deleted – don’t try to say what I would think or say or do. That’s for me to say, not you. And you are often quite wrong. I don’t know if this is deliberate or not, but there does seem some malice or intent to disrupt involved. If you keep doing this I’ll just delete whole comments in which you have done this. PG]

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            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              How could you possibly know what Pete might call me in private conversations you are not a party to? You have nothing to back up that statement.

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              Anyway, it’s late enuf. I’m signing off. I don’t want to end up getting so short on sleep that I end up bizarre & crazy stuff late at night like what I’m having to reply to.

            • Gezza

               /  October 24, 2018

              I’ll just redo that.

              Anyway, it’s late enuf. I’m signing off. I don’t want to end up getting so short on sleep that I end up posting bizarre & crazy stuff late at night like the bizarre and crazy that I’ve just been replying to.

  9. slinkypress

     /  October 25, 2018

    There is comment on WO backchat that politicians are trying to kill people, seriously.

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