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  1. lurcher1948

     /  October 25, 2018

    We have to stop comparing Trump with Hitler,Hitler served in his countries military,Trump didn’t.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 25, 2018

      You & RED are both looking pretty fit and in fine condition, although dejected, in that photo you posted yesterday, neighbour.

      What’s going wrong at Dog Agility, Lurchy ? How can we help ?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  October 25, 2018

        4 days of dog agility is too much,at my age

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        • Gezza

           /  October 25, 2018

          Ok.

          1. Corky might have some rejuvenation dietary suppliement or mind state ideas to share when he pops in later.
          2. How many actual runs must you do in an event? I mean – do they last 4 days or have you been travelling to different one-day ones? Can you do fewer actual runs until your energy level gets up?
          3. Do you have a younger friend RED likes who can take over the actual competing runs for you. RED’s still your dog. He gets a win, you’re still his owner and principal trainer, you still get the kudos too. If you have no friends can you afford to hire a friend?

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        • Corky

           /  October 25, 2018

          Arginine and Citrulline mix. Taurine and Q10 will shave 20-30 years off your biological age. You will be reborn, Lurchy.

          Next, a Silva Mind Control course to understand the alpha state of mind. If you master the Alpha state you will be able to talk to Red.

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          • Corky

             /  October 25, 2018

            ps- chuck a couple of Hail Mary’s into your alpha state…just in case God and Red are Catholic.

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            • Gezza

               /  October 25, 2018

              Nope, leave the Hail Mary’s out, God’s probably disgusted with the Cathos. Just find a quiet place alone and talk to the universe directly, Lurchy.

            • lurcher1948

               /  October 25, 2018

              Calm down you two and have a cup of dilmas

            • Gezza

               /  October 25, 2018

              Try to help and this is the thanks we get, Lurchy?

  2. lurcher1948

     /  October 25, 2018

    Duncan Garners ponytailed replacement,is interesting,I cannot workout his politics.

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  3. NO CULTURAL ISSUE … NONE AT ALL…IN THE NATIONAL PARTY!!! I TELLS YA!!!

    ““There is no “cultural issue” in the National Party, its leader says.
    Why anyone should believe Simon Bridges, I do not know.

    This week he ordered a review into employment practices within the party. Yes, it is important to ensure everyone feels safe at work. It’s good that a review is being undertaken into workplace conditions within National.
    But for Bridges to say there is no “cultural issue” in National – well, that’s just laughable.
    The past few weeks, it’s as if a light has been turned on in Parliament’s dungeons. We’ve found piles of dirty laundry. Nobody has liked seeing the spiders crawl out.

    In an all-out political war, there have been allegations of harassment, there was a secret recording and a discussion which seriously questioned how much power wealthy political donors hold.

    It’s filthy, it’s despicable, and it’s a major distraction.
    A party-commissioned report into workplace culture will not be able to clear out the toxic sludge that appears to have been festering on Molesworth St for years.
    The National Party needs a full scale clean-out.

    Bridges has stayed on as leader, through what he has described as one of the hardest weeks any political leader has had to face.

    He may have done so because the party’s ranks are critically lacking.

    Deputy Paula Bennett is just as implicated in this war as he is. And Judith Collins, who is just two points shy of Bridges in the latest Colmar Brunton preferred prime minister poll, is hardly clean of controversy.

    She was at the centre of National’s last major scandal, when investigative journalist Nicky Hager dropped his Dirty Politics book. In it, he exposed the role of bloggers and shady political operatives in National Party campaigns. In Hager’s opinion, her connections with the operatives made her “unfit” to govern.

    And what do you know, but in the background of the latest scandal some of those old names have popped up again. Adviser Simon Lusk has reappeared, and so too has Cameron Whale Oil Slater. “

    Read the whole article here.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/108058857/simon-bridges-needs-to-call-the-hazmat-team-and-order-a-full-scale-cleanout

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    • Gezza

       /  October 25, 2018

      Yeah, I think that’s quite a good article, although whoever Glenn McConnell is he’s relying on a few “allegedles” being fact, which have not been conclusively proven, and he seems to have an anti-National bias.

      Despite assertions that there’s nothing untoward going on, anyone’s who’s been watching politics will be left asking: Why trust ’em?

      Perhaps that might more correctly say:
      “Despite assertions that there’s nothing untoward going on, anyone’s who’s Left and been watching politics will saying: Why trust ’em? Because that’s what anyone who’s Left does anyway.”

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      • Gezza

         /  October 25, 2018

        *be saying

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        • robertguyton

           /  October 25, 2018

          You think there are Rightwingers who retain full confidence in National? Actual people who have been following the news who still believe the assertions that there’s nothing untoward going on?

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          • Griff.

             /  October 25, 2018

            Go read Kiwiblog or Whale Robert .
            I know there are.
            Just as there are committed greens who had no problem with their former leader stealing of the tax payer and lying about the income she received from both her family and the father of her child.

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          • Gezza

             /  October 25, 2018

            Yes. I know there are even two Chinese immigrant NZF voters (to my aghast surprise) who don’t trust either Labour or National but who don’t think there is anything they would consider corruption or out of the ordinary going on for a political party. I posted about our discussion yesterday, at length.

            Like me, they await with interest the result of the investigation of the police complaint, but they don’t trust JLR (or Slater) and they expect there’s some dirty laundry and political calculation, activities and frank discussions about who to make candidates of just for the votes of their ethnics that wouldn’t look nice selectively leaked going on behind the closed doors of all the other political parties too.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 25, 2018

        A self-declared social justice warrior: https://muckrack.com/glenn-mcconnell

        Severely short on experience of both life and politics.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 25, 2018

          Taking ma for blood test and some other bizzo matters now. Can somebody else control Sir Alan while I’m away please?

          Sir Gerald

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          • Gezza

             /  October 25, 2018

            Ok, good to see Sir Alan hasn’t been on a rampage – so thanks, whoever it was.

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      • kiwi dave

         /  October 25, 2018

        “Glenn McConnell relying on a few “allegedles” being fact, which have not been conclusively proven, and he seems to have an anti-National bias.”
        Having checked him out, his anti nat bias is obvious, right from his schooling, through his past work, up to his stuff vitriol. About what you can expect from a boy trying to be a reporter. Should have stuck to writing about pop music.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  October 25, 2018

        Glenn McConnell is about 12 years old and has all the righteous certainty of youth.
        His articles are a hotch-potch of woke-ness and airy fairy prognostications which ignore facts, or skew them until they meet his world view. He really has no place in a mainstream media site – maybe a student paper or local rag.

        I guess he plays to a crowd though. The 7%ers like Robert lap it up.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  October 25, 2018

    As everyone knows National and the CCP big money donors are linked at the hip and think 2 more Chinese in parliament to join the CCP former spy is a great idea.The National party probably approves of re-education camps too.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps

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  5. Corky

     /  October 25, 2018

    Leighton interviewed an Australian researcher yesterday about the latest push to introduce an ID card for every Australian. While both he and Leighton agreed digital identity could be a very good thing, the problem is abuse of such a system is very possible. The researcher also said Australia was going about the introduction of digital ID in a haphazard way.

    New Zealanders have to take notice of these events because it’s going to impact on us due to harmonisation laws with Australia. Supplement takers like myself just missed a bullet with attempts to harmonise the supplement market with the Therapeutic Goods Act. The result would have been many fine products disappearing overnight from health shop shelves.

    So it becomes obvious because of travel to Australia that New Zealanders would require an ID card to access services. And who better to harmonise this problem than our PM and her band of merry socialists. The introduction of an ID card is a socialists wet dream; along with gun control and withdrawing hard currency. It’s just a matter of time before we see the headline:

    ” New Zealand And Australia Look To Harmonise Trans-Tasman Digital ID procedures.”

    https://www.innovationaus.com/2017/11/AusPosts-and-the-Digital-ID-push

    Talking of state control, I often get bagged because I support the American right to bear arms. . I have that view simply because a rational review of history tells me the population
    of any country must have a means to fight back against their government. The founding fathers of America bequeathed future generations that gift.

    Unfortunately the Jews.. mirroring the idioticy of modern Liberals, handed in their firearms to authorities. The result was the holocaust was worse than it had to be. Jews denied themselves the dignity of dying on their feet, rather than in a line watching a fellow Jew in front of him take a bullet to the head then drop dead into a pit.

    http://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=8558

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 25, 2018

      That is such rubbish that only a fool would believe and repeat it.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  October 25, 2018

    On a nearby rightwing blog a certain poster always makes me smile, the blog owner NEVER moderates so most posts are a race to the bottom in rightwing hatred, which he likes
    igm
    If the lying crockery-faced maggot was truthful she would repeal the legislation . . . not in this term, or will get a committee to review it. What a POS she and her leeches are!
    as an afterthought, this poster ALWAYS sounds more disturbed than JLR

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    • Gezza

       /  October 25, 2018

      Certainly seems to be someone you wouldn’t want to have a whispered political conversation with at Church during a boring sermon if the pews were full.

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    • Corky

       /  October 25, 2018

      Chill, Lurchy. And stop going there.

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  7. Blazer

     /  October 25, 2018

    why is yournz ‘not secure’…every other site I use does not have that warning.

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    • Corky

       /  October 25, 2018

      Check your firewall.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 25, 2018

        Good suggestion. Not showing as “not secure” here.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 25, 2018

          Also, if nothing needs tweaking in your firewall, maybe check your browser settings, Blazer, and click on any icon with the “not secure” in the url bar and check “site settings”.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 25, 2018

            I don’t have ‘not secure’ anywhere.

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            • Gezza

               /  October 25, 2018

              Good to hear. All your device’s settings must be hunky dory. 👍

          • Blazer

             /  October 25, 2018

            thanks for the advice…still no change ..scan says no threats…must be the GCSB…strange only this site.

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            • Gezza

               /  October 25, 2018

              Ok. Pete’s site IS secure so don’t be too concerned. I have had this kind of problem on rare occasions with perfectly ordinary, normally secure sites, like this one, and even stuff.co. Eventually some quiet background browser or system update cures it and it’s obviously been a temporary glitch of some kind or other caused by a previous silent update.

  8. Gezza

     /  October 25, 2018

    Just watching Question Time. Paul Goldsmith seems to be a right stumblebum, someone who has difficulty reading off a script. I’ve noticed this over the past few weeks. Not an impressive performer.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 25, 2018

      Nothing much that I picked up as worthy of note in Question Time today, either in the Questions or the answers.

      Although admittedly I did often have only half an eye and an ear on it as I was busy stitching the tongues of my favourite pair of black sneakers to the top of one of the Upper flaps of each shoe at the same time. They’re a Warehouse buy – $15, 2 years ago now, but to my surprise they’re wearing well, lasting a long time, and are such tidy, smart-looking, comfortable shoes they’re my Go To choice for all special occasions, like funerals, or specialists visits, or New World when Hinemoa’s working (I check regularly whether she’s considering leaving her husband yet – I’m an optimist these days) or wherever turning up in me gumboots would have ma glaring at me.

      I mostly mentally switch off for government patsy questions because they’re usually mind numbingly boring answers off overwritten-hype scripts, but sometimes you learn something useful you didn’t know was happening or is producing good results from some government initiative.

      Thursdays the leaders are usually not there and there a lot of “on behalf of” replies to supplementaries that reflect that the stand in Minister has no idea so they waffle on or ask for it to be put in a Written Question.

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    • duperez

       /  October 25, 2018

      Goldsmith? I thought it was just me.

      He has the name, he comes from Epsom, he’s written books, he got into the positions he’s been in and is in and he sort of looks the part.

      But he often sounds and acts like he got School C on the 3rd attempt. By 1%.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 25, 2018

        Yes, I haven’t looked in to his background & I initially wondered if maybe he just needs to get an eye test and lens prescription change – but no, he just seems to be a bumbler.

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  October 25, 2018

    David Farrar Nationals attack poodle is chasing his short tail trying to distract everyone from the meltdown of JLR…anything god poor David Farrar actually has to earn his income from the National party, but wait David DOSNT GET PAID, and yes David JLR is coming back to haunt National

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  October 25, 2018

    I feel sorry for the indian female on the national side of the house asking questions in indian English knowing that a CCP spy trainer is worth more than her as anyone knows chinese food is safer than indian food.

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  11. PartisanZ

     /  October 25, 2018

    An opinion piece from Bryce Edwards that I think is well worth considering … although it does seem a bit “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” … not exactly proactively addressing the ‘vested interest’ corporate-political elite funding …

    “New Zealand First and the Greens both obtain decent electoral results from relatively low campaign budgets, while the Act party has spent millions of business funds, only to end with almost zero support. Similarly, the plight of the Internet Party, the Conservatives, and The Opportunities Party show just how inadequate money is to ensure electoral success.”

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/24/289552/state-funding-of-parties-is-bad-for-democracy?preview=1

    “In particular, parties without substantial amounts of finance would be forced to develop alternative means of communication and persuasion – maybe even involving actual party members. Remember the old Alliance Party? They got 18 per cent of the vote in 1993 without any significant funding at all. Instead they mobilised thousands of activists and the public.

    This does not mean that major reform of political finance is not required. The rules around donations aren’t working adequately. However, it would be a mistake to see greater state funding as any sort of panacea.”

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    • Gezza

       /  October 25, 2018

      I think he nails it just in the bits you’ve quoted, PZ. This is why I frequently ask you what system exactly do you want and how do you propose to get there.

      … not exactly proactively addressing the ‘vested interest’ corporate-political elite funding

      It doesn’t have to. If someone can’t sell their ideas and alternative system to enough people to get the votes they need, by finding a way to do it, they haven’t much hope of being seriously able to implement and run a system which in a democracy simply has to get and maintain a high enuf level of popular support for people to want to have it.

      Communication and mobilisation of the critical mass has always been the way to achieve & then sustain any meaningful popular support for governance in a democracy.

      I’m sure there have been plenty of ideas for all sorts of things throughout history that ended up becoming popular and even predominant because someone committed enuf to the idea garnered enuf core supporters and found a way to sell the idea when they started out working against the tide with hardly a brass farthing to their name.

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  12. Corky

     /  October 25, 2018

    Just been to see my nieces and nephews do their cross country. Their school used to have real cross country running but over the years the course has shrunk to basically something even old people could do.

    The fitness of many kids was deplorable ( not all). One of my nephews was in a race with forty kids. He was in the middle of the field huffing and puffing with his mouth wide open.
    I yelled out and offered him some sage advice…something not appreciated by middleclass snowflake parents. They all stared at me. However, my nephew being an intelligent young kid had quickly weighed the options of a decent finish, or me ranting and raving. He crossed the finish line half unconscious in 8th place. I gave him a hug and some hydrogen water to quickly revive him. He now wants ten bucks for finishing in the top ten…something he thought he could never do.

    Sometimes old school is best.

    What wasn’t best: the number of kids crying because of the effort involved .. effort which wouldn’t have equated to a warm-up when I was at school during the cold war.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 25, 2018

      They don’t make em like they used to Corks. Back in the day we never needed no bloody hydrogen water for recovery – and if we only got 8th, we owed our parents 5 bucks. Each.

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      • Corky

         /  October 25, 2018

        True, times have changed for the worst. When I finished my races I had to get in line to slurp water from a snot filled water fountain. My nephew slurped magnetically stabilised hydrogen water from a hermetically sealed pink water canister.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 25, 2018

          Two orange quarters and a cup of raro and a piece of mum’s bacon and egg pie and a ‘Good on ya, boy’ or “you should’ve … (whatever),,,like your brother – where’s your mother’s and my 5 bucks?”

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 25, 2018

            Hydrogen water pills at $65 + GST a bottle seem a bit excessive for a child.

            Oranges probably work just as well.

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  13. Zedd

     /  October 25, 2018

    watching Q-time the last few days.. I thought it was supposedly about; holding the Govt. to account, but it looks more like ‘school yards petty points scoring’ from Natl.

    after 9 loooong years, of ignoring the working folks of Aotearoa/NZ, union bashing & beneficiary bashing, they now PRETEND that they are the ‘champions of the masses’.
    eg several questions about the supposed rise in unemployed by.. wait for it.. 0.2% is a BIG deal. BUT the minister said over & over, that the overall percentage of people on a ‘main benefit’ is effectively unchanged (inc. DPB & job seekers etc.) at 9.4% total :/

    then the drama about fuel taxes; which supposedly is hitting the ‘lowest percentiles’ hardest. Again the minister stated with increases in ‘families packages’ & more assistance to beneficiaries, they are now better off, than they ever were, under Natl.
    The reality is more likely, that the top 10% are slightly worse off, because they are now having to pay a fairer share ?! REALITY strikes 😀

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    • Corky

       /  October 25, 2018

      Snigger while you can, Zedd. National will make sure normal transmission resumes as soon as possible. By that time people will be begging National to deal with unions, petrol prices and across the board increases in the cost of living.

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      • Zedd

         /  October 25, 2018

        ho ho ho hum :/

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      • Zedd

         /  October 25, 2018

        btw; my ‘new avatar’ is items made from HEMP biodegradable plastic. 🙂
        no pipes in site :/

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        • Gezza

           /  October 25, 2018

          Cool Zeddo (affectionately). Why not see if you can find a bigger one of just either of those two figurines – they are both SO you – imo. 🙂

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          • Zedd

             /  October 25, 2018

            I just wanted to include the Hemp leaf too !

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            • Gezza

               /  October 25, 2018

              I think we all mentally take one of those as a given, whatever avatar you use, buddy. 😎

      • Zedd

         /  October 25, 2018

        remind me again.. who did you vote for in 2017 ?

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        • Gezza

           /  October 25, 2018

          😜

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 25, 2018

            The new cannabis laws seem a bit odd; why not let people in pain have them as well as those on palliative care ?

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            • Zedd

               /  October 25, 2018

              I agree.. likely NZF are putting the brakes on ?

              Hopefully; once it gets more established & the ‘naysayers’ realise ‘the sky is NOT going to fall’, then perhaps we will eventually catch up to many other countries that already have regulated med-use & even personal use too: Canada, states in USA & Aust., much of EU, Israel, Sth Africa, Uruguay etc. etc. Only time will tell…… :/

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 25, 2018

              I can’t see the POINT, why some ill people and not others? It doesn’t make sense. It seems a very fiddly, badly thought out law. Just legalise it and have done !!!

  14. lurcher1948

     /  October 25, 2018

    Most Wellingtonans know HDPA goes stupid everyday and shes the best NZME forces on us Larry William’s is another story,the droning voiced William’s is straight out of Fox News,a special class of idiocracy ie If trump says CNN is trump’s enemy and a right winger trump supporter kills CNN staff the rightwinger Williams says why blame trump..WHY IS THIS IDIOT FORCED APON NZs?? who is he targeting ?National party maybe the dying ACT party supporters

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    • lurcher1948

       /  October 25, 2018

      The NZME IDIOT larry williams seems to think there is no bomb threat and is now into conspiracy theories,one reason for 8 more years

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    • Gezza

       /  October 25, 2018

      Personally I think he’s targeting ranters who cant stand him but who listen to him just so they have something to rant about. It’s just a hypothesis at the moment. I’ll need to do some refining and testing before developing a full theory and proofs.

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  15. Corky

     /  October 25, 2018

    Labour caught out big time in parliament today. Just when they were gaining momentum.

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    • PDB

       /  October 25, 2018

      Regarding?

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    • Gezza

       /  October 25, 2018

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      • PDB

         /  October 25, 2018

        Thanks Gezza – Ardern clearly lying about when the regional fuel tax was axed for areas outside of Auckland Council. It’s on record that other Council’s have been encouraged to apply for them until yesterday morning when Ardern & Twyford started the day by making a sudden decision to stop the public rot over fuel costs by saying she has ruled them out for the term of her being PM.

        The first Shane Jones (Regional Economic Development Minister) and the other Councils still in negotiations for their own fuel taxes heard this news was when Ardern announced it in parliament yesterday. Even Twyford said he only found out that morning but then changed his story during the afternoon in support of Ardern’s version of events.

        “”I’ve been fully aware of the Prime Minister’s views on this issue going back to the beginning of this year,” Twyford said.”

        Despite that, he did not inform any of the 14 councils that have expressed an interest in having a regional fuel tax.

        “I’ve communicated to them very clearly that there will be no regional fuel taxes in this term of Government. The Prime Minister has taken that one step further.”

        Twyford has previously encouraged Hamilton City Council to engage with the Minsitry of Transport about a regional fuel tax, and councillor Dave Macpherson said Ardern’s pledge was a kick in the guts.”

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12148656

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        • PDB

           /  October 25, 2018

          When questioned why she had not announced the decision to not have any other fuel taxes under her PMship when she reckons she “clearly” told cabinet at the beginning of the year and 14 Councils were still in negotiations for their own fuel taxes up until a day ago Ardern said: “I hadn’t been asked”….hilarious!

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        • Gezza

           /  October 25, 2018

          Yes but the thing is this government and Jacinda have now learnt the art National perfected under Sir John The Golfer of instantly fixing a serious problem before the Opposition can do anything with it, and in such a way the public doesn’t care whatever bullshit was happening so long as its now fixed. The awkward thing the Opposition is not really scoring off is what I recall is that the Government is managing under Speaker Trev to simply completely evade giving a straight answer to the obvious question – why does your bloody legislation have a provision allowing it to occur if that is not your intention?

          I’ll watch the video.

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          • PDB

             /  October 25, 2018

            Not to mention all the govt hours wasted in dealing with Councils up until a day ago when she reckons she had 100% already knocked the idea of any regional fuel tax on the head on the head around 6-9 months ago. Until the opposition made a story out of it & forced her hand was she just going to continue negotiating with these councils just for fun? It’s so nonsensical even Robert & Blazer would have trouble believing it.

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            • Blazer

               /  October 25, 2018

              politics..Honky tonks said he would not raise GST..you bent over and accepted that…with a smile.

            • Gezza

               /  October 25, 2018

              Yes but all that shit doesn’t matter to joe and josephine public pants. It only matters to you guys becoz you hate the govt. Problem avoided. All good so far as the average punter is concerned. The rest is now just hot air,m whining and troublemaking by the opposition. Government to quick off the mark. Bad luck National. Outmanoeuvred by a classic Key Tactic. Suck it up. Move on.

            • Gezza

               /  October 25, 2018

              But Pants, cheer up – this could yet become a big headache for Jacs & Co:

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/108104331/since-jacinda-ardern-said-consumers-were-being-fleeced-z-energy-shareholders-have-lost-more-than-500m

              So there’s something for Bridges to get someone competent to have on the list of PQ’s next week – unless they get cut off at the knees by the government on that one too by Tuesday next.

  16. Corky

     /  October 25, 2018

    Cool.Kitty isn’t here. Maybe she’s brushing up on her substandard Latin so she can big note to me as usual. 😄😁

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    • Griff.

       /  October 25, 2018

      lingua morsuque sensim fenestram

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      • Corky

         /  October 25, 2018

        Yes, true, Griff. However I don’t blame Kitty.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 25, 2018

          You do talk a load of rubbish at times. You don’t know any Latin but denigrate someone who took it at school and university, You can’t read Latin but pretend to know that quotations from the ancient Romans whosr language it was are substandard as well as things that I write in it,.Neither is true, needless to say. Not that someone who has trouble with English would know if any other language is accurate or nor.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  October 25, 2018

            What does what Griff wrote mean in English ? Is it substandard? No idea? I thought not.

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  17. Conspiratoor

     /  October 25, 2018

    The devil incarnate gets a slap on the hand with a wet bus ticket. Oh well, maybe loki will get the last laugh…

    “[20] On Mr Slater’s counterclaim, I have held that I do not accept that:
    (a) Mr Slater spread lies about Mr Craig; or
    (b) made up allegations about him; or
    (c) gathered information that he knew was fake or untrue; or
    (d) published material on Whaleoil knowing it not to be true.

    [21] I am satisfied Mr Slater is neither a compulsive nor a calculated liar.”

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    • Corky

       /  October 25, 2018

      Just listening to Larry and Graig going to town.

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  October 25, 2018

        And the learned judge said of one of the protagonists…

        “”He espouses principles which include a recognition of the importance of accuracy in reporting facts and of dealing honestly with people who might provide him with information and with his readership”

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        • Yes. That is based on what was put before the court by Slater and by Craig. It isn’t a judgment on Slater’s principles and factualness and honesty overall, so he shouldn’t get too carried away with what that means.

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          • Corky

             /  October 25, 2018

            But he may use it to serve utu on those who have annoyed him?

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            • Bill Brown

               /  October 25, 2018

              Well this is what happens when idiots take defamation cases – should be a warning to one or two others who can now “yard stick” themselves to a simple question. ….. “is my reputation better than Colin Craig’s when it comes to having ones reputation damaged?”

              I laughed when listening to Craig say he’d won – I never knew being labeled with sexual misconduct was a win

            • Conspiratoor

               /  October 25, 2018

              Oh i think you can safely wager your old kuia on that…

            • Corky

               /  October 25, 2018

              ”Your old kuia”

            • Corky

               /  October 25, 2018

              “?”

            • Gezza

               /  October 25, 2018

              This is getting super weird now.

            • Corky

               /  October 25, 2018

              It’s a Conspiracy.

    • Gezza

       /  October 25, 2018

      [21] I am satisfied Mr Slater is neither a compulsive nor a calculated liar.”

      I haven’t read this judgement yet, so there’s missing context. Do you mind my asking c – does your learned colleague go on anywhere else to say that this devil chap lies involuntarily, or occasionally, rather than compulsively – and that, because they are not calculated, his lies are actually terribly & embarrassingly obvious? o_O

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      • Gezza

         /  October 25, 2018

        1ewes just had a brief item on it – “Cameron Slater defamed Colin Craig, and Colin Craig harassed his secretary” was the intro. Went on to say no damages awarded – because the judge ruled Craig had no reputation left to damage n some other stuff I wasn’t really paying attention to.

        (Also it sounds like Parliament has quite a few MPs who were stoners [but a looong time ago, naturally]. Some just admitted it on camera. 😕 )

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  October 25, 2018

        No to the first G and not sure but probably not to the second. Now a question for you. How many involuntary, uncalculated lies did you tell today?

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        • Gezza

           /  October 25, 2018

          Seven and a half.

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  October 25, 2018

            You are the proverbial saint G. Research has shown the average man drops 20 a day on average. Or maybe youre just starved of human company

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            • Gezza

               /  October 25, 2018

              1. As you know, I am not your “average man”, c. Happy to be below average.
              2. I was with ma for two hours. She always knows. They just do. It’s not worth it.
              3. I really do ask Hinemoa at New World if she’s ready to leave her hubby for me yet. Fortnightly. She laffed, as usual, and said No. And she said we’re having 40 Maori at our place tonight, Gez. I won’t go into the details but she’s a honey, she deserves better than that husband of hers. The fucker nearly died on her at age 40. Who needs that kind of worry?
              4. I was also in the bank and there was no point lying in there because they had all the details up on screen.
              5. I never lie to my eels, they don’t even know I’m there anyway.
              6. My pooks have no idea whether I’m lying or not, but they’re always suspicious, so lying to them doesn’t really count.

              I hope this has allayed any residual concerns you might have had for my well-being? 😳

            • Conspiratoor

               /  October 25, 2018

              G, i think your inability to sleep affects your temperament but otherwise you appear to be a fairly well adjusted fellow. Which one of the above wss the half truth?

            • Gezza

               /  October 25, 2018

              Wait here please, c.

  18. Corky

     /  October 25, 2018

    Just watching One News. The Chinese are dealing to Muslims. They are being reeducated to stop fundamentalism. They have huge detention centres to house them. I don’t know what Muslims have done to the Chinese or whether they deserve such treatment. One factor may be the invasion of Europe. No way will China ever have that problem. THEY VALUE THEIR CULTURE.

    Meanwhile…where are Western detention centres for Muslims who disrespect Western culture?

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    • Gezza

       /  October 25, 2018

      Old news on Aljaz tv Corks. NZ tv is way behind the times on a lot of current events. The problem is these people have unacceptable beliefs and ways that do not conform to the approved communist beliefs and ways, and this of course requires correction of the errors.There are some other groups whose ethnicity or political illnesses cause them to think incorrectly and I believe they are provided with similar state assistance to recover.

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      • Corky

         /  October 25, 2018

        So these Muslims are good citizens? It seems that way. No guesses for how they would treat us then.

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        • Corky

           /  October 25, 2018

          * How the Chinese would treat us.*

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          • Gezza

             /  October 25, 2018

            Don’t think it’s likely to be a problem. The PRC just wants to be the respected & acknowledged superpower in its own region & to stop the US pushing it around wherever it wants to be the regional superpower, which is every region. These things take time to achieve balance but eventually they always do. The US Empire will be like all the others and may even self-destruct eventually as many have. The Chinese Empire is simply rising from the ashes again, as they do.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  October 25, 2018

        I suspect that they don’t have to do anything, just be of a particular race or religion,

        Muslims have invaded Europe? Only in some people’s paranoid imagination.

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    • NOEL

       /  October 25, 2018

      Aw come on Corkey the Chinese aren’t particular which religion the target.
      Tibetans and the Gong ones to name just a couple,

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  19. Corky

     /  October 25, 2018

    The West fights back with a wet bus ticket. Bloody liberals and youngins.

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    • NOEL

       /  October 25, 2018

      The law, carried by a 75-30 vote, forbids the wearing of full-face veils such as the niqab, balaclavas, face-covering ski masks, face masks and fake beards.

      Ok to wear a real gruesome Halloween mask and scare all the kids.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 25, 2018

        Yep. Everyone knows they’re just pretend monsters – except really little kids. Just not ok to wear an ISIS, armed offenders squad, or robber’s disguise on the street because it makes people worry – and also because sometimes the buggers break driving laws or whatever and claim in court it wasn’t them, and you just never know who you’re talking to and its weird – this sort of weirdness belongs in Muslim countries, not Western ones. We don’t dress like that and it’s spooky.

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  20. sorethumb

     /  October 26, 2018

    Christchurch convention centre now known as Te Pae . A spokesman said development of the name, logo and associated branding had cost $30,000, of which about $380 had gone to Matapopore.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/104319184/christchurch-convention-centre-now-known-as-te-pae?

    Name gifted to new QEII Park, $18,800 charge for cultural advice
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/104319184/christchurch-convention-centre-now-known-as-te-pae?

    Christchurch’s central library gets a name: Tūranga
    The name Tūranga was gifted by Te Ngāi Tūāhuriri Rūnanga and reflects the relationship with Whitireia, the traditional name for Cathedral Square, council head of libraries and information Carolyn Robertson said.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/97345636/christchurchs-central-library-gets-a-name-tranga

    A waka-themed climbing structure is blessed at the opening of the New Brighton beachside playground.

    You needn’t look far through the Christchurch rebuild to see the hand of the Matapopore Charitable Trust.

    Designs sandblasted onto buildings, poems etched into stone paths, new artworks, native plantings, and te reo names for new buildings all reinforce its work.

    Jointly set up by the Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Authority (Cera) and Ngāi Tahu in 2014, the trust gives cultural advice on the rebuild anchor projects. It has invoiced taxpayers and ratepayers for about $2.5 million of consultancy work since then.
    https://matapopore.co.nz/a-matter-of-trust-iwi-voice-in-christchurch-rebuild/?
    ………………………………………..

    fewer than 500 Maori in Canterbury in 1850.
    121 years later 4300/260200 = 1.65% of population.

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  21. sorethumb

     /  October 26, 2018

    This place was teeming with Ngai Tahu people”
    We now have a wonderful challenge and an opportunity arriving out of this earthquake. So to me we are about to enter the third phase in the development of Christchurch. And it is about returning Ngai Tahu to the city. It’s about returning Ngai Tahu history: the things that are valued by Ngai Tahu the place names, the sites that are really important to us and relocating them here. And I suppose in a way making them visible. Because previously they were invisible. So for me that’s the third phase of the city and that’s why for me it is really exciting, as we progress into what I term a post colonial city. And that is a new Christchurch, post colonial, global city, that acknowledges all it’s communities. Ngai Tahu are the early settlers and their families and new immigrants. That’s the city that we’ve got to create.

    It’s important to celebrate Maori (the NgaiTahu culture in Christchurch) and it should be we celebrate the English settlers because they settled the country and contributed to the establishment of the nation-state. Christchurch and Canterbury’s important today and [ ]’s important today because that’s your foundation for the nation state. But equally there’s heaps of other cultures we need to celebrate in the city.

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