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    • lurcher1948

       /  October 26, 2018

      Idiots support idiots I have noticed

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      • Corky

         /  October 26, 2018

        No, Lurchy. Informed idiots support people who DO SOMETHING!

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        • Griff.

           /  October 26, 2018

          That wall will be built any day now .

          Obama care will be repealed any day now .

          Trumps modus operandi
          Sell high once you have them who cares
          It is in his book .
          Yet still the loons fall for it.

          About the only thing he has done is give billionaires tax cuts
          Financed by borrowing money which has some interesting effects like rising the usa finance rate and so the dollar
          Most of the reason why we are paying more for gas here in NZ.
          Trumpies are to blinded by love of the ape to see it instead blame our government.

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          • Corky

             /  October 26, 2018

            No milk for your cornies..Griff?

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            • Gezza

               /  October 26, 2018

              Definite diversion there. Have to call that one a win to Griff, Corks.
              Sorry. :/

            • Griff.

               /  October 26, 2018

              I dont eat cardboard.
              I also hate the mouth feel of mushy wet food. It’s an Aspie thing.
              So no milk on cereal of any sort for the last 55 years.
              Home made bread ,wholemeal with lots of nuts and seeds. toasted then smeared with butter for breakfast followed by a strong coffee blond and sweet,,,,,,,

            • Corky

               /  October 26, 2018

              No need for a reply. Griff can say what he likes. Fact: the American economy is booming. Why waste time on what Griff thinks.

              Just one example. Lowest unemployment rate since 1969.

              https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-unemployment-rate-falls-to-lowest-level-since-1969-1538742766

              Like I told you..I keep things very simple. Excessive narrative like Griffs shows a paucity of logical thinking… and talking of diversions!!?

              You disappoint me, Gezza. I must downtick you this time..sorry!

            • Gezza

               /  October 26, 2018

              Very uncharitable of you, Corks, but the losers always blame the ref.
              You did your best so I’m not going to downtick you, any downticks you might have got are coming from someone who doesn’t like you. I quite like you, sometimes.

      • Gezza

         /  October 26, 2018

        Indeed. And they usually have no idea they’re idiots, Lurch.

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    • David

       /  October 26, 2018

      I see Trumps approval ratings are now higher than Obama,s were at the same point in the cycle..obviously not covered in NZ media.

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      • Are you cherry picking polls? 538 still shows a Trump deficit, albeit closing.

        https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

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        • David

           /  October 26, 2018

          Didnt say he was over 50% just that he is higher than Obama which is quite remarkable considering the 93% negative press coverage.

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      • Griff.

         /  October 26, 2018

        Donald Trump’s approval rating higher than Barack Obama at same …
        Newshub-22/10/2018
        Donald Trump has a higher approval rating than Barack Obama did at the same point in his time as president, according to a new poll

        Something about those who just make up shite makes me laugh.

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      • Corky

         /  October 26, 2018

        That’s to be expected from our lickspittal media, Dave.

        I was analysing Trumps speech patterns the other day. Compared with Obama, he uses a very limited vocabulary. But he uses that vocabulary in a very creative,repetitive and forceful way.

        For example:

        Obama: ”The enemies of America are bent on bringing tyranny to our economy…misery for the American people.

        Trump: ”These are bad people…very bad people. People America doesn’t want around. I will stop that…my legislation will stop these bad people.”

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        • Gezza

           /  October 26, 2018

          *lickspittle
          Just saying.

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          • Corky

             /  October 26, 2018

            Griff thanks you.

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            • Gezza

               /  October 26, 2018

              Tell Griff there’s no need for thanks it’s a purely impartial call and in another situation the decision could just as easily have gone the other way.

        • duperez

           /  October 26, 2018

          You reckon the speech pattern thing is an indication of the audiences?
          Trump’s lot mightn’t have heard fancy words like ‘tyranny’ or know what they mean.

          Maybe ‘bad people, hugely bad people, hugely bad people who want to do bad things,” is right up their IQ and emotional alleys.

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          • Corky

             /  October 26, 2018

            ”You reckon the speech pattern thing is an indication of the audiences?”

            I don’t know. It may be. Although I’m inclined to think it’s Trumpy’s natural way of thinking.

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  1. David

     /  October 26, 2018

    A year into this coalition government, apparently the first proper MMP government albeit one that dare not mention its own composition lest some old curmudgeon gives us a glimpse of how vain and thin skinned he is.
    I digress but my thoughts are they are fine as long as they dont try and do anything because as soon as they do its been a bit of a disaster for them. So generally hopelessly incompetent but the settings in NZ are world class so we get on with things despite them, we should be grateful for the baby Neve keeping our PM distracted and her deputy being a 100 years old hardly wants to make the effort either.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  October 26, 2018

      I thought Hosking got it pretty much spot on. Despite a few hiccups the coalition has held together and functioned very well, and have been implementing their policy platform at a good clip. Jacinda is an excellent leader and people manager to be able to herd two such different coalition partners through the quagmire of government.
      The policy platform is where opinions divide very strongly.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 26, 2018

        That’s a good summary, I reckon.

        Someone in National, maybe the junior whip, should be keeping separate lists of the obvious untruths and 180° turns but. instead of going on and on about them for days when they’ve been outmanoeuvered as with the regional petrol tax thing, when Joe & Jo public don’t much care they should just pull them & list them off at key points where they get caught out in lie the media get onto.

        But other than this, there’s still plenty of time for various government policies and intiatives to start producing some of the predicted good results and the inexperienced Ministers are now hitting their straps at Question Time and in understanding how to run their departments and properly use the information their departments can provide in answer to the right questions.

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  2. Corky

     /  October 26, 2018

    The letter bomb saga has become interesting. Apparently the maker of these bombs has made many mistakes for law enforcement to follow. From spelling mistakes to using the same postage method.This MO points towards rural Trump supporters.

    However, these supposed mistakes may be decoy countermeasures to send authorities on a wild goose chase and spread their resources thin.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 26, 2018

      It might be a false flag, but imo the signs are good it is a rural Trump supporter & if this does indeed turn out to be the case it will probably one from a family in which there’s been quite a bit of inbreeding but there’s still the odd well-functioning one with a laptop and internet capability.

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  October 26, 2018

    TRUST in RED an honest toiler running intermediate last weekend at Mansfield Feilding, FAR more honest than Donald Trump and naturally tanned not sprayed
    https://scontent.fpmr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44805172_10156787438894158_6276453919753240576_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fpmr1-1.fna&oh=c9b0a6cf3ab225e21fee34c9e599a17e&oe=5C882D21

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  October 26, 2018

    66,948 replies 36,864 retweets 127,480 likes
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    Donald J. Trump

    Verified account

    @realDonaldTrump
    8h8 hours ago
    More
    Brandon Judd of the National Border Patrol Council is right when he says on @foxandfriends that the Democrat inspired laws make it tough for us to stop people at the Border. MUST BE CHANDED, but I am bringing out the military for this National Emergency. They will be stopped!
    The orange living god called POTUS #45 is stopping the caravan using the power of CHANDED and the army to stop women and children,our lord called donald trump

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    • Corky

       /  October 26, 2018

      The deviousness of the liberal mind to scheme, eh, Lurchy. Trumpy’s in a no win situation. In such a scenario he must go with his rhetoric on this issue from his past.

      It just takes one trigger happy Montana bred trooper to ‘get them illegals” and it will be a blood bath( Americas version of the Sharpeville massacre)

      That probably wont happen…but I don’t think people get the very dangerous situation that’s building.

      It needs to be remembered independent border patrols patrol Americas borders. While they have always acted legally, that may change under pressure.

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  October 26, 2018

    If they were fat white South Africans with racist apartheid views who could join the good old white patriot nazis would be welcome by trump and the GOP, skills in firearms is an asset and the ability to make pipebombs is an asset, not those BROWN immigrants.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  October 26, 2018

    Maureen W I’m fascinated how the right leaning folks here dote on everything USA, everything its orange leader does, but then there’s a counterpart in Miami stressing out about NZ,swings and roundabouts

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    • MaureenW

       /  October 26, 2018

      Not sure what you’re getting at there – with the Miami comment.

      Reply
      • PartisanZ

         /  October 26, 2018

        Dote on the American written Constitution … “All men are created equal” … but they don’t want a written Constitution for Aotearoa New Zealand …

        What’s the difference?

        Over there they’ve successfully bypassed and can forget their indigenous people …

        We can’t.

        Reply
        • MaureenW

           /  October 26, 2018

          All Constitutions are bullshit, that’s why they have them. Same with mantras, guiding principles, mission statements etc
          Have they forgotten their indigenous people? I thought they were all running casinos on reservations somewhere.
          Our world is full on countries that invaded other countries – it’s been going on forever – it’s not Donald Trump’s fault, ok?
          All men are created equal? Possibly, but we all know that’s not the way in which humans and societies work is it? Grow up a bit.

          Reply
          • PartisanZ

             /  October 26, 2018

            You should send that speech to Donald Trump Maureen … I’m sure he’d be extra-super-popular saying, “Hey, folks, our Constitution is bullshit!” …

            Reply
            • MaureenW

               /  October 26, 2018

              Is the rule of law applied to all citizens equally?

          • PartisanZ

             /  October 26, 2018

            Just because it hasn’t been equally applied historically doesn’t mean it can’t be done … especially when you’ve got a Constitution that says it should and must be done.

            Reply
        • Richard

           /  October 26, 2018

          Aotearoa New Zealand? No such place……..made up babble.

          Reply
  7. lurcher1948

     /  October 26, 2018

    What i meant is the right stress for the USA, does anyone stress for NZ in the USA in simple terms

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    • MaureenW

       /  October 26, 2018

      Only that the US is rather more influential in global terms than NZ, hence the added interest. Personally I think you’ll find New Zealand gets most of its orders from outside of this country – we are but just a little fish.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 26, 2018

        I’m pretty much fed up with hearing from various worthies how we’re always “punching above our weight” at this that and the other thing of relative unimportance to anybody like Muscovites, Macau casino owners, Sudanese fisherpersons, NIgerian millionaires – and steel worker Pennsylvanians who are only vaguely aware of where Canada is exactly.

        I even googled a couple of weeks back when Jacinda was spouting this overcompensatory self-congratulations for summat or other to see if I could find out how much New Zealand actually weighs. I got nowhere with that but I remember thinking ok if nothing is what we weigh then our punching above it doesn’t amount to anything.

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  October 26, 2018

    Asking for a friend, whats the brand of orange face spray does trump use and what is the orange shade called??

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  October 26, 2018

      Some cheap face powders do that, or used to.They;d look all right at first…

      I remember a self-tanner that turned people orange if it was left on too long; QTol or a name like that.

      Reply
  9. lurcher1948

     /  October 26, 2018


    After being whacked with a CHANDED

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    • Corky

       /  October 26, 2018

      YOU LOOK AT THESE LIBERALS…THEY ARE LIKE…YEAH, THAT LOOK… LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN INVITED TO HILLARY’S THANKSGIVING. DON’T LET THAT LAME PUPPY DOG LOOK FOOL YOU..THESE ARE BAD PEOPLE..VERY BAD PEOPLE.

      😄😄😄

      Reply
  10. Blazer

     /  October 26, 2018

    Key flips another property….ANZ Chairman John Key has sold his beach property in Omaha to David Hisco ANZ C.E.O.

    Done well at propertY ‘investment has..Sir J.!

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    • Corky

       /  October 26, 2018

      No one has ever stop you from trying, Blazer. If they have please tell us who.

      Reply
      • Blazer

         /  October 26, 2018

        bit rich when you’re the politician who allowed runaway property inflation and then capitalised on it yourself!

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  October 26, 2018

          He slowed down property inflation from what it was when he came into power.
          Property prices were inflating in major centres all over the world – was that his fault too?
          What you miss is it was the quantitative easing and austerity that John Key / Bill English went against that has led to the flood of money looking for places to go – shares and property being the major benefactors.

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          • Blazer

             /  October 26, 2018

            What you miss is, it was the effect of Q.E (a world awash with ‘money’)and the fact that foreigners could buy up property in NZ virtually unrestrained.
            Tell me how’ he slowed down property inflation’-should be…good.

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            • High Flying Duck

               /  October 26, 2018

              I don’t know HOW he did it. But I do know that the rate of house inflation was lower during the Key years than it was under the Clark years.
              Very few countries have any restriction on overseas buyers of property.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  October 26, 2018

              Also:
              (From May 2017)
              “Adjusting for inflation, the gains in house prices in the past four years are actually nothing special when viewed over a full 50+ year timeframe”

              https://www.interest.co.nz/property/87961/adjusting-inflation-gains-house-prices-past-four-years-are-actually-nothing-special

            • Blazer

               /  October 26, 2018

              of COURSE YOU DON’T…neither would that wrecking ball!!

            • High Flying Duck

               /  October 26, 2018

              Doesn’t change the fact housing inflation was lower after Nat’s got in, and affordability was better with lower interest rates as well.

              But you’ll be pleased to know, the ultimate housing solution is underway and there will be houses for all as per this glowing write up:

              “KiwiBuild: a ‘community trainwreck’
              A year after the coalition Government took office, its flagship housing plan KiwiBuild is barely off the ground. At this year’s Bruce Jesson Memorial lecture, Monte Cecilia Housing Trust’s Bernie Smith argued KiwiBuild’s flaws not only perpetuate housing unaffordability, but cause further intergenerational social problems.”

              https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/25/291004/kiwibuild-a-community-trainwreck

            • Blazer

               /  October 26, 2018

              get your head around the reality …which is affordability…from 3-4 times the average salary to 10 times to buy an average house.

              You are talking nonsense.

      • Blazer

         /  October 26, 2018

        pure drivel-‘Very few countries have any restriction on overseas buyers of property.’

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  October 26, 2018

          Most of Europe, Japan, South America, USA, South Africa. Some countries have stamp duties or other mild taxation on foreign owners, but almost none restrict foreign buyers from ownership.
          India, China, Fiji and the Philippines all have leasehold sales, but long term, cheap and easily renewed leases.
          I mis-spoke with “any” restriction, but very few places – in fact none that I can find completely exclude foreign ownership in the manner NZ has introduced.

          Reply
          • Blazer

             /  October 26, 2018

            more nonsense …there are over 200 nations in the world…your handful of examples are not accurate and now you bring leasing into the discussion.

            Just one example-Australia restrict foreign ownership and have done for years.

            Reply
  11. PartisanZ

     /  October 26, 2018

    “If introduced, the model wouldn’t be unique to New Zealand. German tenants already enjoy strong rental security, with indefinite tenancy agreements that only allow for eviction under certain conditions … This increased security means that leasing tenures in Germany are 11 years on average, compared to only 2.5 years in England or about 12 months in New Zealand (between 2010 and 2017).

    Robert Whitaker of grassroots tenants association Renters United said he was in favour of such an approach because of the security it offers the renter … He used the analogy of employment agreements, saying employers have to give reasons for terminating employment and that a similar approach should be used in the rental market … He questioned why landlords should be able to evict tenants without giving legitimate reasons.”

    How does NZHeraldo get from this ‘information’ to a headline reading –

    ‘Tenants for life? Open-ended tenancies suggested in wide-sweeping rent law reform’ …?

    How? Because a Landlord said “tennants for life” … that’s how …

    “Andrew King, executive officer of the NZ Property Investors Federation, said this morning, proposals being floated by the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development alluded to open-ended tenancies which would restrict landlords’ rights … The change would mean renters could not be removed when places are sold and that they would have the right of renewal in their favour … “Tenants for life is a possibility,” King said.”

    And it’s such a Left-leaning newspaper!

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12149059

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    • Corky

       /  October 26, 2018

      So, remind me who owns the flat. Landlord or tenant? Seems like we are heading for a communist state. A wet dream for you, Parti.

      Reply
      • Blazer

         /  October 26, 2018

        so you must be against the 2.5 billion the taxpayers pay to subsidise landlords.

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        • Corky

           /  October 26, 2018

          Please explain?

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          • Blazer

             /  October 26, 2018

            is that you …Pauline?

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            • Corky

               /  October 26, 2018

              One fish and a scoop, mate. I will listen to your korero while I wait.

            • Gezza

               /  October 26, 2018

              @ Blazer – That one’s definitely up there, bud. 10/10 👍

              @ Corky – so’s that reply. 9/10. 👍 (Would’ve got 10/10 but you’ve down-ticked me somewhere else so can’t award full points this time.)

      • PartisanZ

         /  October 26, 2018

        Are you referring to ‘God-given Private Property’ Corky, by which you mean the Western European, capitalist, socio-economic construct ‘Private Property’ or ‘Property in the Soil’?

        (A derivative of Divine Right of Kings and the Noble-Peasant relationship?)

        ‘God-given private property’ whereby theoretically a rental house in Auckland can sit empty and untenanted awaiting speculative capital gains while 10 families sleep in cars at an adjacent park?

        Have you ever thought that at least SOME of the problems landlords encounter with tenants is due to the weak and flimsy nature of rental tenure in this country?

        What incentive have tenants got to think of the place as their ‘home’ when they know they’re merely paying the landlord’s expenses on a ‘house’ until the landlord decides to liquidate for low tax profit …

        … and when they know that every DAY they remain a tenant the dream of home ownership slips further away …

        Time for a tenant boycott maybe? See how landlords feel about ‘ownership’ then …?

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        • Corky

           /  October 26, 2018

          Tell you what..when you can sign the ”rights” of your home away to someone else, without batting a eye, give me a call. I think your attitude would change big time if I had a say on how your property was managed; what you could or couldn’t do etc.

          ”Time for a tenant boycott maybe? See how landlords feel about ‘ownership’ then …?”

          How landlords feel would be their problem…and tenants sleeping in cars and under bridges would be the tenants problem.

          I personally believe people like you are a danger to society..and the sad thing is you are in the majority. The sooner we have a constitution enshrining property rights the sooner I will feel better about the future society we bequeath to future generations.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  October 26, 2018

            Phantom argument … I’m not offering my property up for rent to anyone Corky …

            Might surprise you to learn I believe what we currently call ‘private property’ is a useful form of tenure … [although its inheritance is more highly questionable than the construct itself] … if perhaps an interim one?

            However, for a society to give private property’s numerous and sometimes dubious formulas precedence over housing their own people is an ethical atrocity … an act of ‘economic’ depravity … where the ‘economic’ and social are arbitrarily divided in a wealth generation-and-accumulation fantasyland …

            Long-term renewable or even lifelong, tradeable leases from the State might be better than so-called private property … and might better control inflation too … ‘housing’ wouldn’t need to be removed from the CPI to cover up its grossly skewered effects on people’s lives …

            Just thoughts, ya know … We might explore other ways to better include everyone in our society … Try and be humane as well as human … eh?

            I very much doubt I’m part of many majorities Corks, probably none!

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            • Gezza

               /  October 27, 2018

              No I think you raise good salient points in that comment PZ and ones worth thinking about. I’m sure people would mull that over at least. The thing that most springs to my mind now though is the infamous british and wgtn council estates and state housing areas (apart from when they were first started) where long term housing has been generally available and because it’s available a lot are unkempt and many of the residents less than savoury. It’s a reality that means if we were going to have more state housing we have to have more amenities and to find ways to prevent them becoming unsafe or unsavoury places.

  12. Zedd

     /  October 26, 2018

    here’s an oldie but a goodie.. must be time for a beer or three

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    • Gezza

       /  October 26, 2018

      My favourite of many from them. If you’ve ever found their Rock of Ages concert album, Zedd. Have a listen to their greats on that, done live with some of the best horn and brass players in NY. I still pull it up on YouTube when I’m the mood.

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  13. PartisanZ

     /  October 26, 2018

    More classy commentary from Chris Trotter –

    “The parliamentary journalist who made a habit of holding Cabinet Ministers to genuine account; or who successfully uncovered secrets she or he wasn’t supposed to expose; would not only be guilty of writing about matters that nobody else was writing about (a cardinal sin) but, even worse, would be provoking increasingly bitter complaints to their bosses from ministerial press secretaries (former parliamentary press gallery journalists for the most part) along the lines of: “What the hell does so-in-so think she’s doing? You tell her that unless she plans to stay on the salary she’s receiving forever, she needs to pull her bloody head in!”

    It usually works.

    But this poses a real problem for those who assume that the purpose of the “Fourth Estate” is to “keep the bastards honest”. If the true function of a parliamentary press gallery journalist is act as the glove into which power inserts its steely hand, then their formal democratic role is nothing but a sham.”

    http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2018/10/too-close-for-comfort.html

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  14. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 26, 2018

    It was reinforced for me yesterday just how badly the RMA has impoverished NZ when I did a little search for a cheap block of land for a friend yesterday. In Northland’s million plus hectares of much under-utlised and unproductive land there is bugger all for sale.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 26, 2018

      Do you mean the 88 listings on Trademe of Lifestyle Bare Land under $250K Alan …

      Or the 200 listings in the same category with ‘any’ price …?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 26, 2018

        Yep. How many under $150 anywhere near Keri/Waipapa?

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 26, 2018

          What’s to live there for?

          A new roundabout …

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  October 26, 2018

            So much land, so few places for people to live. Madness by Government.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 26, 2018

          Alan, there hasn’t been any bare land available around there for under $150K since about 1999 …

          That figure is so … last millenium …

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  October 26, 2018

            That is entirely the consequence of the RMA and consequential “planning together”. How many young people in Keri can afford to pay $280 for a piece of land and then build an approved house on it?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 26, 2018

              $280k

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 26, 2018

              And without the RMA cheap houses would be everywhere, right?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 26, 2018

              Without RMA you wouldn’t have to pay $250k+ for a piece of land to put a building on. Without making bureaucrats responsible for quality and durability you wouldn’t havrbto pay $2k+/m2 to put a house on it.

    • PartisanZ

       /  October 26, 2018

      Have your input Alan …

      https://letsplantogether.org.nz/

      Reply
      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 26, 2018

        Planning together is the recipe for doing nothing. That’s exactly what the RMA has already implemented and achieved.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 26, 2018

          Plans made in haste, time and money waste …

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 26, 2018

          I just made that up …

          It sounds like a famous person’s quote eh? Or like a line from Shakespeare …?

          Reply
          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  October 26, 2018

            Bureaucrats can only plan not to do things and to stop others doing anything. That’s what they do. It’s called planning together.

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  15. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 26, 2018

    Idiot govt/ltnz to build another two lane road where a four lane one is needed so slow trucks and tourists don’t hold up traffic and cause accidents:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12147969

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  16. Corky

     /  October 26, 2018

    Oh, goody, goody.. let’s sock it to those nutty Christians.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12149401

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