Politics and Kiwibuild

The Government used the first couple take possession of a KiwiBuild house in a publicity promotion for their policy.

Then an uproar erupted over criticising KiwiBuild, using the couple as an example.

Judith Collins got involved, which attracted a lot of criticism. and so it goes on.

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  1. robertguyton

     /  October 31, 2018

    Collins was made a fool of in the House over this issue. Winston had a field day.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 31, 2018

      Hang on, I’ll have a look. Don’t think it’s wise to just go on your say so.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 31, 2018

        Winston actually made a fool of himself having to be told his questions weren’t even proper, relevant questions and to have to start again with one, and the some totally irrelevant nonsense about there not being 204 countries in the world, the clown.

        Judith’s got the capacity to be – and come across as – something of a bitch (colloquially speaking) and she seems like demonstrating this as frequently as possible. I think it just gets up people’s noses to be honest. Nobody likes a nasty cow. Shouldn’t be Simon’s replacement, in my view, that could backfire bigly in the lead-up to the next election because she’s bound to go full-on pit-bull then and get herself and her party in strife with media and Jacinda and Winston and their various apostles.

        Jonesy would have a field day.

        Nevertheless, her point’s been made and sunk in to the public mind. Twyford makes his point well enuf, that the biggest group of people who have ended up being unable to afford houses are the middle classes and they are catering to them in particular, but it has probably sunk into the public mind already that the first couple who get trumpeted as lucky enuf to get to win the one-armed bandit jackpot and get into an “affordable home” are a couple of pretty well-off Yuppie Dinks, not quite who the public were expecting to be those at the bottom end of the income earners.

        I can’t stand Collins but Twyfor irritates me too & Labour have got a helluva long way to go with not a lot of hope of meeting their target of 100,000 “affordable” homes in 10 years: the countdown started last year, & Twyford needs to desperately talk up a lot of little things & that haven’t solved much in the housing problem area yet as big achievements for now – to counter that even 1ewes is not optimistic about that.

        Shaw put the cyberbully shank into Collins very well. And Robertson asking if he would expect someone who cyberbullied a couple to apologise so Phil could tell Mr Speaker yes he would, and then get interrupted by Speaker Trev & told off for the rest of his smart arse comments.

        Bit of a shock to hear Twyford might let couples flog off their new houses within 3 years.

        Still – at the end of that exchange, Collins looked nasty, but Twyford managed to spin of his smooth talking answers every bit as well as, say, Steven Joyce. And they might yet have some actual measurable achievements in the housing area by election 2020; more than National would have, so my Party vote’s still up for grabs but O’Connor won’t be getting my candidate vote.

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        • robertguyton

           /  October 31, 2018

          Good comment, Gezza. I don’t think though, that Winston’s asking “improper” questions is a negative for him – he knows full-well what is allowable and what is not and slips his points through regardless and cares not one whit for the Speakers chastisements. Occasionally though, he does go too far, as he plays it as theatre and that’s risky. He generally scores effective hits on his opposition. Mind you, they’re sitting ducks right now and for a while to come (quite a while).

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          • Gezza

             /  October 31, 2018

            Yeah, of course this is his standard style – knowingly ignore the rules & get told off to get his barbs in regardless – but it makes a mockery of PQ requirements & wastes time when he wants to wank around arguing with the Speaker over something he already knows isn’t appropriate. Could do with a lot more sanctioning and the occasional biffing out for the afternoon tbh.

            Even that wouldn’t stop him; he’d do the same thing again the very next day anyway. We’re talking about a man who’ll say anything contentious is his policy just to win a few segemented or redneck votes, and then shit on those the voters at the drop of a hat once he’s in government. He knows these dickheads will fall for it again, over and over, at the next election.

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  October 31, 2018

          Of course what has not been publicised by the government is that the Mclennan development that these nice people have bought into was a Housing NZ development under National that got snaffled to create an early win for Twyford.
          So it was supposed to be housing for low income families that has instead, under Labour ended up with high earning DINKS.

          I’m not quite sure where the cyber bullying claim against Collins came from. She re-tweeted someone eleses post and simply commented that they weren’t the sort of people who government subsidies should be given to.

          She even said good on them for taking advantage of the stupid criteria put in place by Twyford.

          He was dancing on the head of a pin trying to spin what on earth the policy is supposed to achieve given it is buying up existing developments already in progress and then balloting them off.

          Labour have twisted Collins actions fairly well though, and she gets no benefit of the doubt due to reputation.

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          • Gezza

             /  October 31, 2018

            What her snarking at this couple did like seems to have started a storm of National-supporting trolls and others posting horrible comments to them on their social media pages. The Trump Effect.

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            • High Flying Duck

               /  October 31, 2018

              She snarked at the process that gave this couple a leg up over others.
              She didn’t snark at them personally. They were mentioned only because Labour had pushed them front and centre.
              The trolls were out anyway – hence her post was a retweet of a benign screenshot from someone else.
              To imply she started a storm is over-egging it.

            • Gezza

               /  October 31, 2018

              No skin off my nose. She’s made her point but made herself more disliked with the swing voters. The hard out righties love her; the lefties hate her, and those in the centre don’t really like her very much. My take, anyway.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 31, 2018

          What a surprise that the owners can flick the houses on in 3 years.

          If I was a Labour voter on a low income and saw these people being subbed into four bedroom houses, I’d be voting National next time. I keep hearing that they are not really being subbed, but Labour’s doing a good imitation of it, and it’s passed into received wisdom that people on incomes that most people can only dream of are being handed houses while those on tiny ones are being told that it’s tuff titty, sucker, for them.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  November 1, 2018

            Voting National so as to attain what exactly Miss Kitty … ???

            No assistance with housing at all …?

            Sale of State Houses to National cronies …?

            The enforced gentrification of suburbs like Tamaki?

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      • artcroft

         /  October 31, 2018

        As far a fake news goes Robert, you top the class.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  October 31, 2018

          The husband has been to 204 countries, goodness knows what that cost. Judith Collins was quite right to make this point.He decided to spend his money on that rather than a house…and it paid off.

          The message is that it’s all right to squander money, Uncle Phil will take care of you.

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          • High Flying Duck

             /  October 31, 2018

            They are well travelled, but have not visited 204 countries – that many countries don’t even exist.
            The post was actually a romantic thought saying there are all these countries and all these oceans and yet he found her – one of those cloying slogans that permeate FB.
            It was a silly thing to re-post by Judith as while her point was relevant, the FB post she re-tweeted was not.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 31, 2018

              195.

              It certainly sounded as if he’d been to them all. Perhaps he flew over them. I don’t know what my total would be if I counted places I’d flown over.

              If he hasn’t travelled extensively, he has made it sound as if he has…and if he met her in NZ, it’s even more soppy.

            • Blazer

               /  October 31, 2018

  2. artcroft

     /  October 31, 2018

    It’s a terrible policy and going to look worse for labour if the next (deserving?) couple are equally well off. And given they still need a huge deposit qualify – that’s what they be.
    Labour; making the well off ,better off via Government lottery.

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  3. robertguyton

     /  October 31, 2018

    “Yet another example where National could have “played it straight” – I won’t say “kind” its not in their vocabulary – but instead went in for a Troll Feeding Frenzy on a young Kiwi couple – almost certainly National voters themselves – led by The Crusher …”

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 31, 2018

      Attribution please Robert …

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    • artcroft

       /  October 31, 2018

      Good old Crusher. Doing what needs to be done.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  October 31, 2018

        Yep, viciously attacking her own progeny … innocent National spawn who took advantage of a Labour leg-up …

        Here in the North, essentially National Party Councils, Council Corporates, NGOs,businesses and individuals are climbing over each other to get Provincial Growth Fund money …

        By rights they should be getting hounded by their own for doing so …

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  4. PDB

     /  October 31, 2018

    The govt pimp a couple in the media for their own publicity needs but you can’t criticise what that couple represent?

    Kiwibuild is a huge failure (obvious before the election to most) solving a non-existent problem and not addressing the housing problem gullible Labour-voters thought it was going to solve – this couple represent that failure when the govt used them in the hope they would represent its success.

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    • PDB

       /  October 31, 2018

      “The 24 year old couple who won the Kiwibuild lottery did nothing wrong. They are in the same situation as the multi millionaire who still claims their NZ Super, or the Deputy Prime Minister who claims his winter energy payment. If the Government hands out free money, or subsidised houses, then of course you’re going to say yes. You’re stupid not to.”

      “But if the Government holds this couple up up as the poster child family for a policy, then it is entirely legitimate to point out that the policy is daft and badly targeted, as Judith Collins and others (including me) have done.”

      “National would not be doing their job if they didn’t point out that the Kiwibuild criteria and policy are so badly designed that Kiwibuild houses are not in any way being allocated on need, but sheer luck.”

      “But the Government decided to promote them as a poster child family for the policy. The Government is responsible for the scrutiny that goes with that. They are just going on the attack and smearing Judith Collins because they know that the more scrutiny of Kiwibuild there is, the worse it looks in terms of assisting needy families.”

      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/10/its_about_the_policy_not_the_people.html

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      • Blazer

         /  October 31, 2018

        Judith Collins comprehension is very poor…the 204 nations reference had nothing to do with the subject matter.

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        • PDB

           /  October 31, 2018

          Obviously you were the only one under the impression during the election campaign that the poster child for Kiwibuild houses was a globetrotting 24 year old who after extensively travelling the world won a house lottery not based on need & subsidised by taxpayers.

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          • robertguyton

             /  October 31, 2018

            The politics of envy from PDB. Should they be punished for their hard work? Righties – no idea what they’re saying!

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            • PartisanZ

               /  October 31, 2018

              It’s a good deal worse than that Robert …

              What they say is disconnected from what they do.

              Such ‘disconnect’ is really quite dangerous.

            • PDB

               /  October 31, 2018

              What hard work in getting the subsidised house? Putting their names into a house lottery? Your argument is classic straw man – I don’t argue they shouldn’t do well financially from their work, what I’m saying is that people in their position getting a Kiwibuild (Kiwibuy) house isn’t what Labour was selling the country during the election campaign.

              Good on them for getting the house but it doesn’t negate the fact that Labour has pulled the wool over the eyes of their support base – mind you with supporters like yourselves defending their rort/ misleading claims why not?

          • Blazer

             /  October 31, 2018

            did you think they had their name down for a state house as well…based on..need?

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 31, 2018

              I can’t see that visiting 204 countries is hard work in any way, as he could hardly have been working in them.

              I don’t understand Labour’s subbing people like that…why can’t they buy an apartment? Or one of the many houses in that price range in Auckland?

          • Blazer

             /  October 31, 2018

            show anywhere it says he visited 204 countries!!Beat up.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  October 31, 2018

              He made it sound like it and has travel photos of himself as well as one of himself with an obviously expensive car. The ‘204 countries’ were his words.

  5. Ray

     /  October 31, 2018

    The couple only just got on the list in time as a junior Doctor wage would have gone over the cap very quickly.
    The Left claims young well paid professionals need help to own a house but I note three young couples who are just ordinary tradies are building houses in my home town at the moment thanks to cheap land and cheap credit.
    The price of land seems to be the killer in Auckland.

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  6. Zedd

     /  October 31, 2018

    9 loooong years of total neglect/denial of the housing CRISS & selling off, of state houses.. in favour of ‘privatise, privatise & privatise.. everything in sight’

    now ‘Team Judith’ are attacking this Govt. for at least making a effort to turn it around.. obviously they are still ‘in DENIAL’ (about the housing CRISIS & ….being in opposition ?)

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  7. Blazer

     /  October 31, 2018

    Kiwibuild emphasizes just what destruction National rought(rort) on NZ and the average hardworking Kiwi.
    Home ownership now reserved for the very wealthy or with Govt assistance a professional couple.

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    • Pink David

       /  October 31, 2018

      “Home ownership now reserved for the very wealthy or with Govt assistance a professional couple.”

      This is wonderful news. 69.7% of New Zealanders are ‘very wealthy’ by your measure.

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      • Blazer

         /  October 31, 2018

        maths not your strong point I see.

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  October 31, 2018

          Is quoting a stat maths now?
          I think you needed a charter school Blazer – you seem to have fallen through the cracks.

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          • Blazer

             /  October 31, 2018

            the stat is not correct.p.s I know I misspelt ‘wrought’….cheap thrill is it!

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            • High Flying Duck

               /  October 31, 2018

              So only 64.8% are very wealthy then (as at October 2018)?

    • High Flying Duck

       /  October 31, 2018

      *wrought

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  October 31, 2018

        National “wrought” the situation, whereas Kiwibuild is a “rort”

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  October 31, 2018

      Here’s the result of Labour jumping in to solve the housing crisis:

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  8. duperez

     /  October 31, 2018

    Seems there is bit of a problem with housing in the country, especially Auckland.
    Seems there about a million opinions on what caused the problem and about a million suggestions on what to do towards solving it.
    Seems we can even implement one of those without some pathetic political war breaking out.

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  9. PartisanZ

     /  October 31, 2018

    I guess a fair question would be: How did Labour NOT KNOW to use a recently immigrated Chinese family, a struggling urban Maori or Pacific Island family or larger Blue/White collar Pakeha family – each with adorable children – as their exemplars of Kiwibuild deservingness?

    Another 17 recipients, some families with children, were clearly present. It does seem like an extraordinary oversight by the Spin Doctors …

    Aside from that, the hooplah surrounding Jayden & Fletcher is cause for real concern regarding the pure viciousness of the Right …

    But I guess it beats them setting fire to the nearly completed Social Security Building under construction in Thorndon, Wellington, on 2 February 1939?

    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/page/welfare-plan-gets-baptism-fire

    Still, that viciousness remains …

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    • Gezza

       /  October 31, 2018

      Sometimes you just have to let things go, you know. Not get mired in grudges of ancient history.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  October 31, 2018

        Yeah, there’s that possibility Gezza … although I’m safe from getting “mired” … thanks for your ‘concern’ …

        And then there’s “Those who don’t learn from history’s mistakes are doomed to repeat them”

        So, of the three components of my comment above – Labour Spin, Rightie viciousness and the Fire – why did you only pick up on the Fire?

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        • Gezza

           /  October 31, 2018

          Because Hitler’s long dead.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  October 31, 2018

            Not really … most male-to-male communication is little more than point scoring …

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            • Gezza

               /  October 31, 2018

              Yeah most of it. Some guys don’t even know that’s what they’re doing.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 31, 2018

              As evidenced by your response to my rather benign initial comment not aimed at anyone in particular …

            • Gezza

               /  October 31, 2018

              Nope. As evidenced by your response. Mine was just a reference to your seemingly being someone who sees current events – & even peoples like my ancestors – in particular those you don’t like – as forever evil. You find some people or their descendants hateful because you look for people to hate, But you don’t see it that way and you present it as something else. Imo.

  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 31, 2018

    Kiwibuild is merely an avoidance ploy while Labour ignores the bureaucratic causes of the problem that they themselves created.

    It is rightly mocked and ridiculed as Government arrogance and duplicity.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  October 31, 2018

      A modicum of truth in that Alan …

      Still you assume, I think, that everyone is as wealthy and responsible as you are regards building?

      Some relaxation of regulations would no doubt alleviate the housing market to some extent, although it may also lead to an actual and possibly long-term decline in property values, which no political party least of all National want to be responsible for …

      They are all of them, after all, beholden to the banks …

      And the more freedom from regulation there is the more risk there is of cowboys building frontier shanty towns …

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  October 31, 2018

        Bureaucracy hurts the poor far more than the wealthy, PZ. Effectively they are ruled out of home ownership and kept as captive pets by the state.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  October 31, 2018

          An element of ‘truth’ in that too Alan, if rather nastily expressed, with both the poor and the state being equally derided …

          Your observation is applicable to both mythological ‘sides’ of the fanciful centre too, they being equally dependent on the banking system at the foundation of corporate-political elitism.

          There really is no Left left.

          Your observation doesn’t really address the issue of responsibility though …

          I’m all for some sensible relaxation of building codes, perhaps especially in remote rural areas, and for Councils becoming ‘enablers’ of building rather than impeders of it.

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        • Gezza

           /  October 31, 2018

          It’s a balancing act Alan. Getting rid of too much regulation & oversight got us the Cave Creek disaster and leaky buildings. It’s not enuf to say hey the market will take care of it; the next time they build a viewing platform the builders will make sure kids don’t get killed, or that there are no leaky homes because otherwise they’ll go out of business – but the people who purchased them and had the right to expect them to be watertight and built to appropriate specs still have all the hassle of trying to fix them and get the buggers responsible to pay – not easy if they were cowboys they’re gone or have folded.

          That said, I’ve not encountered the RMA, but some things someone posted here indicated the sheer number of rules and regulations and stipulations – and the fees – involved in the whole process now is mind-bogglingly complicated. It’s a disgrace it’s not been sorted out when every party seems to have said they want to.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  October 31, 2018

            No different from buying anything else. You don’t expect the govt to guarantee or underwrite your purchase. You do your homework and buy from a reputable supplier.

            Cave Creek was govt dept management incompetence. Leaky homes were again the consequence of assuming the govt knew what it was doing when it didn’t. Naive socialists are suckers for that trap.

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            • Gezza

               /  October 31, 2018

              Please get off at the next bus stop Al. This bus is for people, not machines.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 31, 2018

              Have hardly been on a bus for years, G. They’re for socialists and their victims.

            • PartisanZ

               /  October 31, 2018

              I rest my case …

          • PartisanZ

             /  October 31, 2018

            @Gezza – “It’s a disgrace it’s not been sorted out when every party seems to have said they want to.”

            There’s the rub …

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            • Gezza

               /  October 31, 2018

              Yep, exactly. It’s supposed to be a government. They’re supposed to act responsibly and sensibly. We elect the them to do that. They don’t have be plonkers automatically opposing every bloody thing just to be difficult on principle. It’s not a bloody children’s sandpit and yet that’s how they all end up behaving, toddlers tossing out their toys. And we can’t do a thing about it because voting only encourages the buggers ! 🙄

            • Gezza

               /  October 31, 2018

              Damn . Think there’s been typos in everything I’ve posted today. Man I’m knackered.

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