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  1. Patzcuaro

     /  November 3, 2018
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    • Corky

       /  November 3, 2018

      He doesn’t have to..although I think Morin would be hard pressed to understand that. Voters didn’t vote Trump in because of his ability to lie – a common affliction to varying degrees amongst all politicians, so common in fact it’s a wonder we even mention it.

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  2. Patzcuaro

     /  November 3, 2018
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  3. Patzcuaro

     /  November 3, 2018
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    • Gezza

       /  November 3, 2018

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      • The Consultant

         /  November 3, 2018

        Thanks Gezza. I dumped in a direct link to a .jpg, and it simply would not display, so just went with the usual url link.
        #sad.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 3, 2018

          That imgflip site is handy for a quick upload of a screen snip TC. And it lets you upload another image alongside or underneath, as I did with that one of yours.

          You don’t need to sign up to it, you just upload a saved jpg from your device, or paste a url.

          You need to make sure when you “Generate meme” and then “Go to image page”, that you then open the image to get the page with ONLY the image and the url that ends with ” .jpg ” if you want it to display here.

          https://imgflip.com/memegenerator

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  4. Griff.

     /  November 3, 2018

    No what is scary is borrow and hope.
    Trump cut income tax and company tax.
    He has made no real effort to cut spending .
    Budget blowout financed by dept.
    The guy has bankrupted many company’s screwing over shareholders.
    If he bankrupts the USA we all get screwed.

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    • The Consultant

       /  November 3, 2018

      If he bankrupts the USA we all get screwed.

      . This would be happening under any President. Debt went From $2 trillion to $10 trillion under Bush, and then to $20 trillion under Obama; because it has bugger all to do with the President.

      I’ve long come to the conclusion that the US will have to bankrupt itself or come close, before they do anything to reign in their systems. Medicare has grown at 13% per year for fifty years, from about $6 billion when it started in 1965 to $700 billion in 2017. According to the actuaries who run it, Social Security will also be “bankrupt” sometime in the 2020’s, meaning it will exceed it’s own special tax revenue and start grabbing from the general tax fund. But at least it can be managed because the government controls both the revenue and spending sides. Medicare they don’t.

      At the state level things are actually even worse, with the likes of Illinois as the canary in the coalmine, although California, Connecticut, and a couple of others are not far behind as they cut spending to schools and cops to pay for pension schemes.

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      • The Consultant

         /  November 3, 2018

        Ooops …. 13.5% – try 9.5%.

        Still faster than the US economy has grown in any of those 52 years.

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  5. Griff.

     /  November 3, 2018

    Trump’s “big lie” strategy is designed to exploit journalistic convention by providing rapid-fire “news” events for reporters to chase. Trump spews falsehoods in a blitzkrieg fashion, but the lies are only part of the game. What reporters continue to miss is the strategy behind the big lies: to divert attention from big truths. The technique is simple: create controversy and confusion around politically-charged topics to stoke his conservative base and distract from stories that harm Trump.

    It’s a numbers game. The more he can get his key terms and images repeated in the media — even as “fact checks” — the more he wins. That’s just how our brains work. The more we hear about something, the more it sticks. Even if it’s not true. When I say “don’t think of an elephant,” it forces you to think of an elephant. Repeating lies, even to debunk them, helps spread and strengthen them. The scientific evidence is clear.

    Trump’s most recent spate of large lies coincided with the shocking revelation that Saudi Arabia murdered and dismembered journalist Jamal Khashoggi. Trapped in a terrible storyline — the President of the United States giving cover to a foreign leader who horrifically butchered a journalist — Trump started spewing new lies to change the subject.

    He launched predictable attacks on immigrants, on California, on the voting process, on transgender people. He made entirely false claims about tax cuts. He counts on his political opponents to react passionately. He counts on reporters to chase his lies and distractions like dogs chase balls. Too often, they meet his expectations.

    The lies and distractions will ramp up as Election Day draws near. And all of this is just practice for the outcome of the Mueller investigation. Just imagine the pile of weaponized lies, distortions and distractions Trump will begin hurling when the shoes start to drop on his criminal collusion.

    Bernstein’s advice plays into Trump’s strategy. Trump wins by dictating the frame and keeping his fraudulent claims front-and-center.

    This doesn’t mean reporters should ignore the president’s lies. It means they must be extremely cautious about spreading the substance of the lies, because that rewards his lying strategy.

    We recommend using the “truth sandwich” method. And maybe it’s time to take Trump’s circus of lies off of the front page and put them in their own special section of the newspaper, perhaps with the comics and the horoscopes. Document them, but don’t give them the power to overshadow important news.

    When Trump tells a big lie on any particular subject it’s usually because he’s distracting from a big truth. The big truth he’s trying to cover up by making up lies about the election system is the massive voter suppression effortRepublicans have undertaken. They are wiping voter rolls and doing everything they can to make it harder for people — especially people of color — to vote. Meanwhile, Trump uses his bully pulpit to accuse his opponents of doing exactly what he and his party are up to.
    https://climatecrocks.com/2018/11/02/truth-sandwich-how-to-handle-the-blitzkrieg-of-lies/

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    • The Consultant

       /  November 3, 2018

      The modern world of the MSM being bankrupted by the Net, combined with a click-driven world of Social Media, combined with the mantra of It it bleeds, it leads (which has been in place for four decades at least) means that “news” coverage cycles run faster than ever and are more driven by outrage than ever.

      To put it bluntly, they can’t help themselves when it comes to Trump. They have to cover everything he says. At present he’s actually saving the likes of the NYT, which have seen subscriber numbers jump in the age of #Resistance.

      And he knows all this. He used these tactics to suck up all the oxygen in the room of every 24-48 news cycle during the GOP primaries and his oppnents had no clue how to combat it. I think my favourite example was when he “speculated” about Ted Cruz’s dad hanging out with Lee Harvey Oswald, together with saying “I don’t know. It’s what people have said”. Poor old Ted went the “outrage” route, but it made no difference: another 48 hours passed where he did not talk about his own ideas, and then Trump just moved on to something else outrageous.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 3, 2018

        Yes, it works for Trump, but it also works for the msm. But because the whole Trump/GOP?DEM circus is becoming a bizarre outraged and outrageous hate fest from all quarters – it’s a marriage made in hell. Amerika is a country where you see what you want to see. If you’re a Trump supporter you see the country as booming and flowers. If you’re a Trump hater you see it as the land of mass-murders, more overlapping armed law enforcement and security agencies thatn Nazi Germany, avarice, entitlement and poverty. All powerful Empires eventually go rotten & this may be on the cards here. Will be interesting to see. Other Empires are rebuilding themselves under ruthless leaders without the dissension & distractions of petty, dirty corrupt democracy politics.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  November 3, 2018

      Is that a really long winded way of saying Trump is both a strategic genius who is manipulating the media and the masses to meet his ends, while at the same time being a complete idiot who cannot string a sentence together?

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  6. The Consultant

     /  November 3, 2018

    Congress, Griff. Congress. They’re the ones who cut taxes – which Trump wanted, and increased spending – which Trump also wanted, I’ll grant you. But it’s Ryan and company who have handed him “omnibus” spending bills with the implied threat of signing or shutting down the government.

    Meantime, Pelosi and company would increase taxes – and then increase spending even more as they’ve done before.

    Ultimately Congress are the ones in charge of the budget, which is why most President’s budgets get rejected with bi-partisan majorities.

    In any case, the overwhelming driver of US spending is not the discretionary side where Congree has decision-making power, but the giant machines of Social Security and Medicare, which roll on automatically year after year, as they were designed to do.

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    • Griff.

       /  November 3, 2018

      Yesss
      hand wave
      Its not Trumps fault because hand waving.
      The Democrats whataboutism.

      Fact Democrats are better at balancing the budget than Republicans.
      Fact running a massive deficit when it the economy booming is irresponsible management.
      We get a rescission about every seven to ten years .
      When we get a down turn the deficit will blow out to unprecedented levels.

      Trump has cut taxes for the rich.
      Who is going to pay when the financial mismanagement catches up to the USA?
      The middle class when they lose their jobs and savings.
      The poor are losing any way it goes.

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  7. The Consultant

     /  November 3, 2018

    Its not Trumps fault because hand waving.
    The Democrats whataboutism.

    It is not “whataboutism”: that’s how the system works in the US and both parties have played the same game. There’s no use ranting about it in a stupidly partisan fashion.

    Fact Democrats are better at balancing the budget than Republicans.
    Rubbish. The closest the US has come to balancing the budget in the last sixty years was when the GOP lead Congress in the 1990’s, and had a “Third Way” Democrat President. Of course even then it was a shell game as revenue surpluses from Social Security were used in an accounting exercise to produce an overall “surplus”.

    When the Democrats took control again in 2006, they blew spending through the roof in 2007 and 2008, even before the lagging GFC effects hit government in 2009-10.

    Trump has cut taxes for the rich.
    You’ve left the ACT party far behind. And Obama also cut taxes – or more to the point he signed the tax cuts passed by a GOP congress.

    Congress negotiated the tax cuts, Trump signed them as any GOP president would have. The corporate tax rate cut was smart if years late. When you’ve got the likes of Canada and EU countries with significantly lower company tax rates it’s ideologically stupid to argue about rich corporates screwing the system. And it’s resulted in those corporations like Apple, finally starting to bring back to the US all those billions they held offshore for years to avoid the previous stupid tax rates.

    And as far as income taxes are concerned the “rich” now pay a larger proportion of tax revenue than they get as a proportion of national income, after all those “tax cuts” starting with Reagan. The US system has actually been criticised as being too progressive compared to the EU! And the latest tax cuts did more of the same with lower income levels, who saw bigger % gains than the rich.

    But I notice even the Democrats did not want to touch the rules on taxing “carry” in financial trading, which Trump pointed out is basically a rort of tens of billions. But NY is a Democrat stonghold, so they’re never touching that.

    Besides, tax revenues are up by huge amounts and at record levels – unfortunately spending is up by even more, which is the real problem.

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    • Griff.

       /  November 3, 2018


      https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2015/10/19/new-data-debunks-years-of-fox-news-paranoia-abo/206262
      Clinton 1997 to 2001.

      We know the gfc was not generated during Obama term.
      His fiscal easing worked and he was beginning to reduce borrowing as the economy recovered.
      Republican spend and hope .
      Democrats fiscal responsibility .

      When the Democrats took control again in 2006, they blew spending through the roof in 2007 and 2008, even before the lagging GFC effects hit government in 2009-10.

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      Ie the same as I warned about above recession contracts goverment income
      Bush was president until 2009 yet you blame the democrats.
      As far as I am aware the federal budget is an executive function.
      Congress can stall or stop passage of the budget but ultimately its the president who has the power.

      it’s ideologically stupid to argue about rich corporates screwing the system

      Straw man I did not mention rich corporates screwing the system.

      But I notice even the Democrats did not want to touch the rules on taxing “carry” in financial trading, which Trump pointed out is basically a rort of tens of billions. But NY is a Democrat stonghold, so they’re never touching that.

      The Republicans hold the House the Senate and the Presidency.
      You can not blame Democrats for anything that has happened since the election.
      That is just more handwaving nonsense.

      And as far as income taxes are concerned the “rich” now pay a larger proportion of tax revenue than they get as a proportion of national income, after all those “tax cuts” starting with Reagan.

      Same dumb Republican shite different decade.
      Reagan cut taxes then had to rise them over time as the budget ballooned.

      Besides, tax revenues are up by huge amounts and at record levels – unfortunately spending is up by even more, which is the real problem.

      https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762
      FY 2019 – $3.422 trillion, estimated.
      FY 2018 – $3.34 trillion, estimated.
      FY 2017 – $3.32 trillion.
      FY 2016 – $3.27 trillion.
      FY 2015 – $3.25 trillion.
      FY 2014 – $3.02 trillion.
      Just a little above inflation’s not “huge amounts”.

      You wonder why I now longer identify as right wing?
      Because the right lives in La la land.

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      • Griff.

         /  November 3, 2018

        Opps image not source

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      • The Consultant

         /  November 3, 2018

        As far as I am aware the federal budget is an executive function.
        Then you’re not very aware of the US system.

        Bush was president until 2009 yet you blame the democrats.
        The Democrats 2008 budget was vetoed by Bush – first damned time he’d used that in his Presidency – but ultimately he signed it with what the Democrats wanted. Pelosi made it clear that it he either signed it or the government shut down, and Bush caved.

        The 2009 budget introduced in late 2008, was never even presented to Bush to sign or veto. They gambled on getting a Democrat president and they did. Sure enough, days after becoming President on Jan 20, 2009, Obama signed the 2009 budget.

        You can not blame Democrats for anything that has happened since the election.
        I don’t. I am simply pointing out that they will be no different when they again control the House and the Budget. They’ll jack spending up even further and present it to Trump as a fait accompli – and because he also does not care about spending, he’ll happily sign it.

        Same dumb Republican shite different decade.
        Shorter Griff: I got nuttin!

        Kennedy and Johnson cut income tax rates too, because they accepted the argument that with the highest income tax rate at 90% there was no room to go higher and that if they wanted increased tax revenues the counter-intuitive idea was to cut taxes. And it worked, which is why Jack Kemp made the same arguments twenty years later, when they worked again.

        Reagan cut taxes then had to rise them over time as the budget ballooned.
        Faced with a Democrat-controlled House, Reagan signed onto some small tax increases in the mid 1980’s as part of the usual Budget compromise dance. But as the Democrats of the day themselves said, those increases were tiny compared to the 1981-82 cuts, and made no material difference to the budget deficit.

        GHW Bush made further small increases, as did Clinton. But tax rates, especially income tax rates, have never returned to pre-Reagan levels.

        Just a little above inflation’s not “huge amounts”.
        From 3.02 trillion to 3.422 trillion is a 13.3% increase. In that same time frame US inflation has stacked up to 9.6% – assuming the forecast for 2019 is correct. Within that range a difference of 3.7% is “huge” – or should I say, “Yuuuggge”.

        Just because you’ve moved from ACT because of your AGW fanaticism, there’s no reason to pick up all of the Left’s stupidities. At this rate you’ll be fully supporting increased taxes in NZ to so we can pay for all the fabulous new government spending. What’s next in your repudiation of “right-wing”: a restoration of the Post Office telephone system and the MOW?

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        • Griff.

           /  November 3, 2018

          Faced with a Democrat-controlled House, Reagan signed onto some small tax increases in the mid 1980’s as part of the usual Budget compromise dance. But as the Democrats of the day themselves said, those increases were tiny compared to the 1981-82 cuts, and made no material difference to the budget deficit.

          GHW Bush made further small increases, as did Clinton. But tax rates, especially income tax rates, have never returned to pre-Reagan levels.

          Wrong again
          https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-12-15/the-mostly-forgotten-tax-increases-of-1982-1993.
          .

          The 1981 tax cut reduced revenue by an average of 2.89 percent of gross domestic product over the four years after it was enacted, according to the Treasury Department’s analysis, which does not attempt to incorporate any macroeconomic effects of tax changes. When I added up the four-year average revenue impact of the next seven significant tax changes approved by Congress, in 1982, 1983, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1990 and 1993, I found that they equaled 2.98 percent of gross domestic product. Who knew?

          Oh and

          Just because you’ve moved from ACT because of your AGW fanaticism, there’s no reason to pick up all of the Left’s stupidities. At this rate you’ll be fully supporting increased taxes in NZ to so we can pay for all the fabulous new government spending. What’s next in your repudiation of “right-wing”: a restoration of the Post Office telephone system and the MOW?

          Guess which goverment did away with the MOW and the Post office ?
          Here is a hint .
          Same as most of the present one …..filthy lefty’s.
          Because.
          Conservative / progressive.. One ideology embraces change for the better the other blindly rejects it.

          I am not a AGW fanatic
          i just hate unreal Bullshite that is idiotic and illogical which 99% of climate denial is .

          I would guess its Tom Hunter.
          About the only KB regular that can do debate on an intelligent level.
          .

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          • The Consultant

             /  November 3, 2018

            Oh gawwwd…. From the same article:
            It’s important to keep in mind that the numbers in the above charts represent not the actual revenue losses or gains resulting from tax changes — which are impossible to know with certainty — but estimates churned out by the Treasury Department’s and Joint Committee on Taxation’s static tax analysis models.
            ….
            My overall impression of the 1981 tax law is that it was a positive if perhaps overdone change in direction. Cutting the top tax rate to 50 percent from 70 percent may well have increased the amount of money coming into the Treasury as incentives to avoid taxes were reduced and incentives to make lots of money increased.

            FFS. Given the impact that tax rate changes have on economic growth, “static tax analysis” should have been junked years ago.

            Roger Douglas and his massive 80’s income tax increases – following in the wake of Thatcher and Reagan naturally – were “Lefty” were they? I guess Roger will be welcomed back to Labour any day soon.

            Anyway, here’s a lovely graph of income tax rates vs US Federal tax revenue as a % of GDP since 1950. Bernie Sanders needs to see this.

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            • The Consultant

               /  November 3, 2018

              Roger Douglas and his massive 80’s income tax increases – following in the wake of Thatcher and Reagan naturally..

              🙂

            • The Consultant

               /  November 3, 2018

              /sarc

          • The Consultant

             /  November 3, 2018

            Oh – and this….

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  8. The Consultant

     /  November 3, 2018

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  9. The Consultant

     /  November 3, 2018

    Well shit. The other one did finally turn up, 10-15 minutes after posting and just as I used memgenerator to do it.
    GRRRRRRRRR.

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    • MaureenW

       /  November 3, 2018

      This tweet is worthy only for the tweet comments.

      Barack Obama, the great, black do fuck-all President (oh, except destroy Libya).

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      • He didn’t do nothing, but I think he was certainly an over hyped under achiever.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 3, 2018

          Well, at least when John Kerry was his Secretary of State and sorting out the mess in Syria for Russia (or something), Kerry did manage to impress by achieving falling off his bicycle in Geneva and breaking his bloody leg.

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        • MaureenW

           /  November 3, 2018

          Thanks Pete you put it more eloquently than me.

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          • Gezza

             /  November 3, 2018

            Looking at yours again, yes, it could’ve done with a bit of a tweak 😉

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  11. The Consultant

     /  November 3, 2018

    <a bigger, more prosperous, more generous vision of America?

    Economy adds robust 250,000 jobs in October in last employment report before election:

    The unemployment rate was unchanged at a near 50-year low of 3.7 percent. Annual wage growth topped 3 percent for the first time in nine years.

    They were expecting 190,000 jobs to be added. Workforce participation rate is still lower than in 2007 so that has to be taken into account when boasting about the unemployment rate is heard. Still, it’s the best news the US workforce has had in a long time.

    Is America running out of workers:

    The small-business owners participating in the survey are once again reporting that they are trying to expand their businesses but can’t find enough qualified applicants to fill all of their available positions. Naturally, wages are headed up.

    It’s fashionable in media circles to laugh at President Trump’s non-stop salesmanship about the performance of the U.S. economy on his watch. But there’s no doubt that workers are benefiting from a historically tight labor market. Companies are eager to hire.

    The growth gamble is working – so far. But even at these rates I doubt the US can outgrow the likes of Medicare, or it’s debt.

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  12. High Flying Duck

     /  November 3, 2018

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