Open Forum- Monday

5 November 2018

Forum

This post is open to anyone to comment on any topic that isn’t spam, illegal or offensive. All Your NZ posts are open but this one is for you to raise topics that interest you. 

If providing opinions on or summaries of other information also provide a link to that information. Bloggers are welcome to summarise and link to their posts.

Comments worth more exposure may be repeated as posts.Comments from other forums can be repeated here, cut and paste is fine.

Your NZ is a mostly political and social issues blog but not limited to that, and views from anywhere on the political spectrum are welcome. Some ground rules:

  • If possible support arguments, news, points or opinions with links to sources and facts.
  • Please don’t post anything illegal, potentially defamatory or abusive.

FIRST TIME COMMENTERS: Due to abuse by a few, first comments under any ID will park in moderation until released (as soon as possible but it can sometimes take a while).

Sometimes comments will go into moderation or spam automatically due to mistyped ID, too many links (>4), or trigger text or other at risk criteria.

Free speech is an important principle here but some people who might pose a risk to the site may be limited.

Next Post
Leave a comment

65 Comments

  1. lurcher1948

     /  November 5, 2018

    Not a good start to the week for the temporary leader of the opposition Simon Bridges,as the ghost of JLR has returned to haunt the bullying National party

    Reply
  2. Corky

     /  November 5, 2018

    Finally, Bridges may be gone. Let’s hope.

    Reply
    • lurcher1948

       /  November 5, 2018

      But Judith will not be the chosen one Corky

      Reply
      • I think Ross’ continued attacks makes it harder for Collins to take over leadership. That would be seen as a win for Ross supporters (like Slater) and I think that would be untenable for the National caucus.

        Reply
      • Corky

         /  November 5, 2018

        It’s at the point of – anyone but Simon. His name is indelibly associated with problems and failure. National need a ”Jacinda moment.”

        Reply
        • robertguyton

           /  November 5, 2018

          What, a kind Nat?
          They’ll be waiting a long time.

          Reply
          • David

             /  November 5, 2018

            Like the ones that kept all social support going during the GFC, that invested heavily in programs aimed at the most vulnerable in society, that backed and supported young solo mums on improving their lives, that raised the immunization levels into the 90,s that put in 20 hours free child care, that provided enough money so cancer patients didnt have to fly to Oz for chemo…and the first government in 43 years to raise benefits.
            Nope for you Robert all Nats are nasty pricks regardless of actions because you still live in some 1970s time warp.

            Reply
            • Corky

               /  November 5, 2018

              Yes, one like that, Dave. How quick the Left forget in the rush to be Santa Claus. They also forget once Xmas is finished, Santa has stuff left to offer.

            • Corky

               /  November 5, 2018

              *stuff all left to offer*

        • David

           /  November 5, 2018

          I dont think National have a Jacinda. Paula Bennett would be a pretty close foil though, quite like her makeover but seriously she has always impressed me the way she compassionately reformed the welfare system particularly for young solo Mums.

          Reply
          • robertguyton

             /  November 5, 2018

            Yes. Paula. Kindness personified.

            Reply
            • Gezza

               /  November 5, 2018

              When the scale of the homeless problem in Auckland became known Paula worked hard to get something sorted out for people living in cars (that this was happening wasn’t known by joe and jo public, the great unwashed, and forest gardening sandal munchers until the tv news went full fanfare on it). I recall her getting very favourable mention from the people at the Auckland marae which generously made places available for people in need for that Winter.

              There doesn’t seem to have been any useful progress further than Paula made in dealing with the homeless problem in Auckland if the latest survey by the Auckland City Council is anything to go by.

            • Blazer

               /  November 5, 2018

              sure Gezza…seeing as the Nats caused it… including kicking beneficiaries out of state homes on spurious reasons…

              https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/06/paula-bennett-grilled-over-homeless-claims.html

            • Gezza

               /  November 5, 2018

              Ok, I’ll have a read and a listen – but are you sure you haven’t just loathed for her fashion crimes, really ? :/

            • Gezza

               /  November 5, 2018

              Yeah – ok thanks for that Blaze. Pretty clear to someone not politically tribal what happened there. John Key told a porky and poor old Bennett had to wear as he slid out from under it.

              That news clip as is badly biased and slanted as any attack ad I’ve seen. It’s NewShub. They’ve always got it in for National anyway. That disgusting little shit-stirring Tova O’Brien toad works for them doesn’t she?

              I guess it’s reasonable to assume that some of those given the heave-ho you’re talking about might’ve been booted after those shonky meth tests they knew were rubbish (altho it’s interesting Gluckman didn’t make a thing out of that until he grabbed attention after National had left office – and I suspect he was just being sleazy little political little rat himself – not willing to compromise his job by telling National what he already knew.)

              But on the upside for Labour at least we’ve now seen three separate items in te newspapers and one on1ewes about people having to put up with harassment and drug dealing and gang associates and abusive neighbours because now Housing Corp will let them get away with blue murder and it’s tuff bikkies for the rest of the street?

            • Gezza

               /  November 5, 2018

              🌸🌸

          • Blazer

             /  November 5, 2018

            Paula…’I never DELIBERATELY…mislead Social Welfare’….

            Reply
            • Corky

               /  November 5, 2018

              Allegations.Where’s your proof? I must have missed it.

            • Blazer

               /  November 5, 2018

              Newshub 017/07/2017…Dan Satherly…’Ms Bennett also spent time as a beneficiary in the 1990s, but says she never “deliberately” misled welfare officials.’

            • Corky

               /  November 5, 2018

              The defense rests..your Honour.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 5, 2018

              The emphasis placed by Blazer on the word deliberately is spite and tries to make something out of nothing. It was obviously not meant as he constantly attempts to make it seem, it was a simple statement of fact that she (unlike Meteria Turei) never misled WINZ. The word deliberatelu is emphasising the misleading done by MT. Blazer takes one sentence out of context and puts a misleading spin on it. It’s an old trick, and a tired one. This example has been dragged out countless times, very yawn-making.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  November 5, 2018

    Jacinda Ardern walks on water to reach the podium at the labour party conference,a post from the host at Kiwiblog shrills”Jacinda Ardern cannot swim”

    Reply
    • robertguyton

       /  November 5, 2018

      Ha! Or a post here.

      Reply
    • David

       /  November 5, 2018

      She is a very good communicator, has a winning smile and an adoring press gallery…shame her cabinet is tits.

      Reply
    • Corky

       /  November 5, 2018

      Come election time, Lurchy, you will have to choose… crackers or Jacinda’s smile? Vote National for a better future.

      Reply
    • Kitty Catkin

       /  November 5, 2018

      The water joke is so old that it has a long white beard, like Corky’s remark about crackers which is repeated so often that it makes it clear that it’s he who is crackers.

      Why are you telling people to vote when you are too lazy to go and do so yourself, have said that only fools vote? The fools are naive enough to think that it will make a difference (uninformed, I think was the word) So why tell people to do this?

      Reply
      • lurcher1948

         /  November 5, 2018

        SETTLE PETAL…Kitty

        Reply
        • Corky

           /  November 5, 2018

          She’ll be right, Lurchy. I’ve just wound here up a little. No sense of humour and an inflated opinion of your intellectual abilities aren’t good for the adrenal glands.

          Not like you, Lurchy. Solid as a rock under pressure when I’m applying the hurt. Good stuff.

          Reply
        • Kitty Catkin

           /  November 5, 2018

          (makes rude face)

          Reply
    • Corky

       /  November 5, 2018

      Ok..it’s not something Arty would want to watch…what with those native American Indians wearing full head dress sitting behind Trumpy. And barbed wire brings Arty out in hoof fever.
      Barbed wire forced him into retirement..but as Trumpy says…used right it’s a beautiful thing.

      And he’s right, the Caravan Of Criminals will taste fine American steel and lead should they wish to test Trumpy’s mettle.

      Oh, and no more aid. Could you ever imagine Obama, Clinton or Bush doing that?

      Overall a great clip, Lurchy.Thanks.

      Reply
      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 5, 2018

        Corky’s wetting his pants over the prospect of death and distress again. Are you hoping that people will be hanging on the barbed wire as they were in WWI and the Holocaust? You will be disappointed, if so.

        It has been said that the people will not be shot, sorry to disappoint you, kind Corky, but you will have to get your kicks another way. Nor is it likely that they will be attacked with swords, which is what steel implies in this setting. Your sadistic fantasies will be not, one hopes. be borne out in reality.

        No, I can’t imagine any of those people allowing children to starve and look like the unfortunate ones who are dying in Syria, and I hope that if Trump wants them to that his wish will be over-ridden by decent people.

        Reply
  4. phantom snowflake

     /  November 5, 2018

    Tama Renata dies
    “The man responsible for one of the most iconic pieces of Kiwi music has died.
    Tama Renata, who composed the searing, chilling, electric guitar theme for Once Were Warriors, passed away on Sunday evening.
    Along with fellow Herbs members, Dilworth Karaka and Charlie Tumahai, he also composed the critically acclaimed 1994 movie’s main love song Here is My Heart and made an appearance as the “party guitarist”.
    As well as being a member of the much-loved Kiwi reggae band for more than 20 years, Renata, the self-proclaimed “speed king of NZ guitar”, also performed with funk-reggae artists Papa, Sonny Day and formed Tuhi Tama with Tuhi Tumoti in 1978.
    Kiwi music website AudioCulture described Renata as “a musician’s musician”. “Few commanded the level of respect from his peers as a player.”

    We’re saddened to hear of the passing of 2012 inductee Tama Renata (Herbs). An outstanding all-round musician, perhaps best known for his amazing guitar work. Our condolences go out to his family friends. Kua hinga te totara i te wao nui a Tane. https://t.co/ciKSd37vti
    — NZMusic Hall of Fame (@NZmusichall) November 4, 2018

    Meanwhile, the NZ Music Hall of Fame, who inducted Renata into its ranks as part of Herbs in 2012, described him as “an outstanding all-round musician, perhaps best known for his amazing guitar work”.
    Renata is the second member of Herbs to die this year. Singer and percussionist Thomas Nepia lost his battle with cancer in February.”
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/108352661/once-were-warriors-composer-tama-renata-dies

    .nzonscreen.com/title/once-we-warriors-theme

    Reply
  5. Blazer

     /  November 5, 2018

    thanks suckers …life is always good for the vampires..

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/108356440/westpac-adds-to-bank-earnings-with-1b-haul

    Reply
    • Corky

       /  November 5, 2018

      But..but..Mike Williams doesn’t begrudge them their profit as he says his bank looks after him very well..especially when checking for possible credit card fraud.

      Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 5, 2018

      This is right up your alley then, B. Banks too big to fail to be insured by compulsory levies:
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/108292242/new-zealand-tipped-to-follow-oecd-and-guarantee-bank-deposits

      Reply
      • Blazer

         /  November 5, 2018

        the OBR is just another rip for NZ sheep…deposit insurance well overdue..’The premium would be about 10 basis points on deposits, so a deposit account paying interest of 3 per cent, would be cut to 2.9 per cent, with the rest funding the deposit guarantee premiums, Reddell said.’

        Despite any rhetoric there is a tacit Govt guarantee for banks here…regardless.

        Reply
  6. Corky

     /  November 5, 2018

    David Seymour tries to save socialists and green believers from themselves. Of course he fails.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/david-seymour-plastic-bag-ban-could-lead-fatalities

    Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 5, 2018

      I let the local store give me groceries in a cardboard box this morning. Weighed about 20kg. For sure people will injure themselves trying to lift and carry these. Won’t do that again. Absolutely idiotic policy banning plastic bags.

      Reply
      • Blazer

         /  November 5, 2018

        20kg of lemons is a fair load Al.

        Reply
      • Griff.

         /  November 5, 2018

        yess Alan
        Except for the fact one trip plastic bags are shite for heavy loads.
        I got sick of rescuing dog rolls when they fell though bags as I heaved it on deck from the dingy.

        Seymour rant has already been debunked as using crap research.
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/108312504/david-seymours-claims-against-reusable-bags-fact-checked-by-leading-scientists

        Reality and corky clash yet again…..

        Reply
        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  November 5, 2018

          It’s not really debunked, Griff, just queried. The paper cited finishes by recognising the concerns as real and public needs warning about it in. The Stuff article had comments from checkout operators horrified at the state of bags they were asked to fill.

          Yes, plastic bags can split under load but that is rare when heavy stuff is sensibly spread around.

          Reply
        • Corky

           /  November 5, 2018

          Yes, contested/queried. That means a study is critiqued. It doesn’t mean you have to be like Griff and look up Google and read what others say is a great study, or pseudo science, until you find something that suits your bias.

          Best to try things yourself if possible. So we are about to find out if that study holds water, when plastic bags are banned in NZ.

          As Alan said, it’s rare for a plastic bag to break under load unless it’s pierced by sharp cardboard product boxes, or something very heavy.

          So, Griff…let’s use science to solve your problem. Put one plastic bag inside another and double the tensile strength.😄

          Reply
          • Griff.

             /  November 5, 2018

            Yess corks
            if you get food poisoning would you want a microbiologist or a economics professor?

            The study Seymour linked to was written by two professors
            One of law and one of economics not in any way experts in the subject.
            It was not a published paper and would not pass peer review in a reputable journal dealing with such issues.

            The study.
            https://law.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/25/klick_grocery_bags_and_foodborne_illness.pdf

            Here is the critique by an expert who points out the problems with it.
            Including the statistics they used was not actually data about known food born illnesses.
            http://berkeleyblog.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/SF-Health-Officer-MEMO-re-Reusable-Bag-Study_V8-FIN1.pdf

            Yes, contested/queried. That means a study is critiqued. It doesn’t mean you have to be like Griff and look up Google and read what others say is a great study, or pseudo science, until you find something that suits your bias.

            Unlike you I can understand most of the stuff I read corky
            Thats why you repeat fuckin rubbish all the time and I dont.
            Lick lick….

            Reply
            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 5, 2018

              From the Arogon article:

              Finally, the idea that widespread use of reusable bags may cause gastrointestinal infections if they
              are not regularly cleaned is plausible. However, the hypothesis that there is a significant increase
              in gastrointestinal foodborne illnesses and deaths due to reusable bags has not been tested, much
              less demonstrated in this study. It would be a disservice to San Francisco residents and visitors to
              alarm them by claiming that it has been. It could be useful, however, to remind people to use safe
              food-handling practices, including maintaining the cleanliness of everything they use to transport,
              handle, and prepare food.

              In other words, the concerns are real but for progressive political purposes we will ignore them.

            • Corky

               /  November 5, 2018

              Back to the licking lark again, Griff. What a childish troll. Here’s the obvious for you once again. I hope it sinks in this time.

              1- It doesn’t matter what study is used in the end..whether it’s rebuked, peer reviewed or lauded. WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO OUR OWN STUDY
              ONCE PLASTIC BAGS ARE REMOVED FROM SUPERMARKET CIRCULATION.

              YOU WONT NEED GOOGLE..ONLY TWO SETS OF DATA. REPORTED INFECTIOUS DISEASES FOR THE YEAR BEFORE THE PLASTIC BAG BAN..AND REPORTED INFECTIOUS DISEASES FOR THE YEAR AFTER THE PLASTIC BAN. Of course, there may be other variables to consider ( like historical variations and known hotspots). But we will get an answer.

              2- Find the formula for tensile strength .

            • Griff.

               /  November 5, 2018

              Yess Alan
              Except all meat is always brought packaged and does not touch the shopping bag.
              Most clean raw unpackaged food before consuming it .

              Corks it is rude to shout .

              The study linked to by Seymour gave no evidence that there is a problem because it was flawed .

              I know you can double bag. There are other issues with using plastic bags when you live aboard including they are inclined to lose their contents in the dingy and stuff gets soaking wet when its rolling around in the bilge.
              I brought a water proof back pack and used that when shopping.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 5, 2018

              Liquid frequently leaks from cling-wrapped meat packs. Salad vegetables and fruit are often loose.

              Ironic if the only way abolishing single use bags can be made safe is by ensuring all food we buy is plastic wrapped. This has to be the most stupid political posturing ever.

      • Corky

         /  November 5, 2018

        Hadn’t thought of that, Alan. Next minute ACC and A&E are bitching because of an increased workload.

        Reply
  7. Corky

     /  November 5, 2018

    Crikey..someone needs a visit to the vet.🙄 Clogging up this thread with vacuous angst and hyperbole.

    Reply
  8. lurcher1948

     /  November 5, 2018

    God, im sick of NZME cannot, Jacinda, break up this garbage group of rubbish AUDIT THIS RUBBISH,,HAVE THEY PAID ALL THEIR TAXES??? GET OVER Sir Key ran away and national lost, tossers, and retire larry williams

    Reply
  9. lurcher1948

     /  November 5, 2018

    NZME should be praised for giving the stupid jobs, The droning bald RACIST RIGHT WING Larry Williams and the stupid is as STUPID DOES…HDPA… the Pacific Fox news… pandering for the stupid [deleted]

    Reply
  10. lurcher1948

     /  November 5, 2018

    BE BRAVE.its SHOCK and AWE tonight,its IRAQ
    and the SOMME rolled up as a bundle of fun,enjoy the fireworks

    Reply
  11. Griff.

     /  November 5, 2018

    Kool I want one.
    http://www.stator.com/#specs

    Reply

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s